How this can be shut down I do not know, but it needs to be. Maybe filtering the words.
However it is done, this should just not be allowed at all. The ALT-F4 announcement comes when in the Tombs. So here is the scenario. We get past the fight-the-monsters part, and are now waiting for the team rounds to begin. On local chat someone says "hit ALT-F4 to view team stats" or some other junk like that. We lost a few players that way even when we warned them not to do it and that ALT-F4 quits Guildwars because it is a Windows command not a GW command.
I realize not everyone is familiar with all the Windows keyboard shortcuts so the word needs to get out.
And the people who do this announcement....well I won't post here my feelings and thoughts on them.
ALT-F4 announcement when entering team combat in the Tombs
thegriffgeeks
lightblade
This is not that big of a problem,
It's just a game, besides the game didn't even start yet.
As soon the noobies learn, they won't do it again.
It's just a game, besides the game didn't even start yet.
As soon the noobies learn, they won't do it again.
toastgodsupreme
hahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahaha hhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahah ahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhaha
that's funny
people do that in CS all the time, i love it
that's funny
people do that in CS all the time, i love it
thegriffgeeks
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besides the game didn't even start yet.
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If I wasn't clear, you are at the point when you are in your cave and the teams you will be fighting have displayed. You are waiting on the counter and the doors to open so you can attack the other team(s).
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This is not that big of a problem,
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thegriffgeeks
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that's funny
people do that in CS all the time, i love it |
kounterfit
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people do that in CS all the time, i love it
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Don't worry about this stuff. It's just a joke and its not a big deal. The people who fall for it will at least NOW know what alt-f4 is and maybe one day will be trying to get a laugh out of it when telling people alt-f4 puts god mode on or something like that.
0verkill
TBH if you lose ppl to this your chances of sucess were not that good to begin with. KTHXBYE
toastgodsupreme
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Sorry but I fail to find the humor in it. It's a dirty blow. Your team's chances of winning have dramatically decreased. And the team that did that little announcement wins because they cheated and played dirty.
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Eclair
Seriously, if they didn't know what alt-f4 did, then they deserved it.
Sting
You will find that this game seems geared toward children. And this kind of behavier will be defended because its considered good humor and not grieving. Some will say its OK and you have NO right to ruin thier fun becasue you didnt pay for "their" game inspite of the fact thay are ruining yours and the others in the groups it happens to. So good luck and I feel your pain as I find the group quiters to be worse, but everyone has their thorns.
Dubby
Hey gotta learn what alt-f4 does one way or another. If you told them not to, its their own fault.
Perishiko ReLLiK
I dont think it really matters... i mean... it's kind of funny actually... and out of all my times, ive never seen a "player exits" thing come up after somebody shouts that... I normaly laugh, and reply with something like "Man, you know nobodies stupid enough to fall for the ALT+F4 trick, since all it does is close out the program..."
That way, i get my kicks in, and perhaps those that dont know about it, and see it repeaditly without knowing what it does, will then know... sometimes i bet curiousity can get to people...
These "things" people do in this game, normaly don't have much of an effect... and it gives me a laugh, so meh...
That way, i get my kicks in, and perhaps those that dont know about it, and see it repeaditly without knowing what it does, will then know... sometimes i bet curiousity can get to people...
These "things" people do in this game, normaly don't have much of an effect... and it gives me a laugh, so meh...
evil.E
no different then people telling folks to type /disco in their console to see a cool trick in other games.
*sigh* some folks just need to become more computer literate or not be so gullible
*sigh* some folks just need to become more computer literate or not be so gullible
Ramus
People still use the alt-f4 trick? I figured everyone on the interweb knew not to use that.
Dreamsmith
This strikes me as a self-correcting problem. I mean, does anyone fall for this twice?
However, once people catch on, new tricks can be devised (like telling the other team certain skills or areas of the map or other features do things that they actually don't, and so on).
There isn't a lot you can do about people who will perform particular actions because their enemy told them to do it. I'm aware that not everyone is familiar with common Windows shortcuts, but taking advice from members of the enemy team does require a special kind of stupid, no matter how you slice it. No game feature is going to protect these people from their own shortcomings here.
It's poor sportsmanship, certainly, but there really isn't anything the devs can do to stop it. I mean, sure, they could stop this specific instance, but the general problem will remain.
Rather than a chat filter, it'd be simpler if they just disabled the Alt-F4 combo from within the game. (I know you can disable it; I normally run all video games while running in the background a program called Winkey Assassin, which both disables the Windows key and the Alt-F4 combo.)
However, once people catch on, new tricks can be devised (like telling the other team certain skills or areas of the map or other features do things that they actually don't, and so on).
There isn't a lot you can do about people who will perform particular actions because their enemy told them to do it. I'm aware that not everyone is familiar with common Windows shortcuts, but taking advice from members of the enemy team does require a special kind of stupid, no matter how you slice it. No game feature is going to protect these people from their own shortcomings here.
It's poor sportsmanship, certainly, but there really isn't anything the devs can do to stop it. I mean, sure, they could stop this specific instance, but the general problem will remain.
Rather than a chat filter, it'd be simpler if they just disabled the Alt-F4 combo from within the game. (I know you can disable it; I normally run all video games while running in the background a program called Winkey Assassin, which both disables the Windows key and the Alt-F4 combo.)
thegriffgeeks
You be looking it up I'm sure.
And you know all the Windows keyboard shortcuts without a cheatsheet or searching the web? Probably not. I don't know anyone who knows them all. And my experience is that the ones you use are the ones you know. I don't use ALT-F4 to quit a program when CTRL Q or better yet choosing quit from the menu works all the time. BTW how did you learn the shortcuts? Probably not from someone playing a evil, childish prank.
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Seriously, if they didn't know what alt-f4 did, then they deserved it.
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Stev0
Seriously. How stupid are people to fall for this.
I don't want people on my team who think ALT-F4 is a GW command ... or that the ALT-tab is a fight combo or something else non OS related.
ALT-F4 and like commands are in Windows are there for a reason. For calling up and dropping apps.
People who fall for it do deserve it they should smarten up and learn how to use their computer.
I don't want people on my team who think ALT-F4 is a GW command ... or that the ALT-tab is a fight combo or something else non OS related.
ALT-F4 and like commands are in Windows are there for a reason. For calling up and dropping apps.
People who fall for it do deserve it they should smarten up and learn how to use their computer.
Mayar third Keeper
rofl people are so dumb ^^. But dont panic people will do this only once... hmm will they 
DarrenJasper
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Sorry but I fail to find the humor in it. It's a dirty blow. Your team's chances of winning have dramatically decreased. And the team that did that little announcement wins because they cheated and played dirty.
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Hell I do this in arenas all the time and it cracks me up when people poof out. Sometimes you lose teammates but hey, who needs their noob asses anyway? Once we were at the volcano arena, I did it and we lost 2 while the other team didn't lose anyone. Guess who won? My buddy and I just beat through their soft members one by one, ended up 5-0 because they couldn't bring us down.
Sting
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Seriously. How stupid are people to fall for this.
I don't want people on my team who think ALT-F4 is a GW command ... or that the ALT-tab is a fight combo or something else non OS related. ALT-F4 and like commands are in Windows are there for a reason. For calling up and dropping apps. People who fall for it do deserve it they should smarten up and learn how to use their computer. |
As for your oppinion people somehow deserve it. IMPO you should get off your high horse and stop being a selfrightous ---
. Its poor sportsmanship wheather you feel they should Know something or not. But yeah all ya can really do is laugh after the fact, but to think people deserve it is kinda stupid again IMPO.
Sira
Hey all u people cracking on the people who dont know about this trick need to step back . People today assume that the world is all computer knowledgeable and its ridicoulous...Just because a player may not know a simple window command does mean that the thier team would lose to begin with...its simple yet unfair tactic being used by opponents to gain the upperhand and its sad...The people doing this dont have the SKILL required to win a fair fight...not the other way around...its a cheap exploit and i laugh at those that have to sink low enough to use this tactic just to get a victory. Which IMO makes you more of a noob then the player foolish enough to listen
Shiryou Kattami
I would agree with Sira...while any experienced PC user knows just what the hell ALT-F4 does, having to resort to that cheap a tactic speaks worlds for the low-lifes trying it.
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Hey all u people cracking on the people who dont know about this trick need to step back . People today assume that the world is all computer knowledgeable and its ridicoulous...Just because a player may not know a simple window command does mean that the thier team would lose to begin with...its simple yet unfair tactic being used by opponents to gain the upperhand and its sad...The people doing this dont have the SKILL required to win a fair fight...not the other way around...its a cheap exploit and i laugh at those that have to sink low enough to use this tactic just to get a victory. Which IMO makes you more of a noob then the player foolish enough to listen
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Mercury Angel
I'm aware of what Alt-F4 does, and am shocked when people actually d/c right after such announcements as well...
However, that a person 'deserves' what happens is rediculous, and people who say as much are being horrible. Especially those that call them 'dim-witted' or 'stupid'.
Hello! Rote memorization =/= intelligence. Do you honestly believe you're so much smarter than somebody because you know one little incidental factoid that they don't?
Some people use other functions to quit programs, and some other windows functions are disabled in guild wars. At least, Ctrl+Alt+Del does nothing for me from within guild wars, except when it's frozen on a loading screen and won't minimize after pushing Alt+Tab. So I have to Alt+Tab then Ctrl+Alt+Del when it gets stuck. People have Ctrl+Q, the X button in the upper right corner, and selecting exist from the menu, and they may never have been exposed to Alt+F4. I don't see how it makes them stupid.
It's not a concept that you require to get by, that you need to consider and understand the rationale behind like a theory or forumula, it's a bit of incendental common knowledge. I wouldn't call a person stupid because they couldn't name all of Santa's reindeer.
Yes, computer literacy is a lot more common now than it was years ago, but still, there're people who rarely interact with them, and faulting them for that and placing harsh labels on them is a bit much in my opinion, and you should indeed feel ashamed of being so indifferent to the ailments of others just because you don't suffer from it.
If you're computer ever overheated and caused permanent damage because of dust build-up, had severe performance degradation because of spyware/adware, got a virus, etc. etc. would you be laughing at yourself and calling yourself stupid because you were unaware of such common problems?
And how many people both know of Alt+F4, and still download things over MSN and what they get from emails despite the high risk of viral infection? And I mean silly things, like pictures and text files, and things with extensions they aren't even familiar with.
Sorry for the extemporaneous soap box speech, but honestly, I can't stand such apathy.
However, that a person 'deserves' what happens is rediculous, and people who say as much are being horrible. Especially those that call them 'dim-witted' or 'stupid'.
Hello! Rote memorization =/= intelligence. Do you honestly believe you're so much smarter than somebody because you know one little incidental factoid that they don't?
Some people use other functions to quit programs, and some other windows functions are disabled in guild wars. At least, Ctrl+Alt+Del does nothing for me from within guild wars, except when it's frozen on a loading screen and won't minimize after pushing Alt+Tab. So I have to Alt+Tab then Ctrl+Alt+Del when it gets stuck. People have Ctrl+Q, the X button in the upper right corner, and selecting exist from the menu, and they may never have been exposed to Alt+F4. I don't see how it makes them stupid.
It's not a concept that you require to get by, that you need to consider and understand the rationale behind like a theory or forumula, it's a bit of incendental common knowledge. I wouldn't call a person stupid because they couldn't name all of Santa's reindeer.
Yes, computer literacy is a lot more common now than it was years ago, but still, there're people who rarely interact with them, and faulting them for that and placing harsh labels on them is a bit much in my opinion, and you should indeed feel ashamed of being so indifferent to the ailments of others just because you don't suffer from it.
If you're computer ever overheated and caused permanent damage because of dust build-up, had severe performance degradation because of spyware/adware, got a virus, etc. etc. would you be laughing at yourself and calling yourself stupid because you were unaware of such common problems?
And how many people both know of Alt+F4, and still download things over MSN and what they get from emails despite the high risk of viral infection? And I mean silly things, like pictures and text files, and things with extensions they aren't even familiar with.
Sorry for the extemporaneous soap box speech, but honestly, I can't stand such apathy.
thegriffgeeks
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Well many games us F keys for other functions besides leaving them default to windows funtions although it is generally used with combinations using the shift key (DAoC for 1 and SWG for another). So no its not that far fetched to think some people would consider it was something diferent here. outside of disabiling it not much they can really do about it though.
As for your oppinion people somehow deserve it. IMPO you should get off your high horse and stop being a selfrightous --- . Its poor sportsmanship wheather you feel they should Know something or not. But yeah all ya can really do is laugh after the fact, but to think people deserve it is kinda stupid again IMPO. |
And thanks for backing me up. Because for sure lack of knowledge does not give right to abuse. grrr
zemelett
Other team: "press alt-F4 for team stats! its really cool"
guillible the nieve: "hmm okay Ill try that" *presses alt-F4*.....
gullible the nieve: "damn what happend my GW just quit...stupid GW errors...must try again..."
gets into HoH again....
*Presses alt-F4*
guillible the nieve: "WTF it happened again...DAMN GW ERRORS....If that happens one more time I'm logging a /bug..."
*repeats process....logs bug...gets on GuildWarsGuru.com to post a complaint about it*
HAHHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA......Funny....
guillible the nieve: "hmm okay Ill try that" *presses alt-F4*.....
gullible the nieve: "damn what happend my GW just quit...stupid GW errors...must try again..."
gets into HoH again....
*Presses alt-F4*
guillible the nieve: "WTF it happened again...DAMN GW ERRORS....If that happens one more time I'm logging a /bug..."
*repeats process....logs bug...gets on GuildWarsGuru.com to post a complaint about it*
HAHHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA......Funny....
thegriffgeeks
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Typical defensive posturing.
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When I run with my guild in 6v6 we know we're going to win anyway, so this is mostly just for kicks and to expedite the process.
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Don't like it? Well, there's not really anyone to stop me is there?
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Quinn Falcon
Erm anything ending in "Your not gonna stop me are you?" tends to sound more like posturing. Frankly one less player on what you assume to be an inferior team doesn't save you much time, feels more like you enjoy showing off your knowlage of a widely known fact too a few unknowing unfortunates just alittle too much.
Lets go ask a five year old what root 36 is tommorow eh?
Lets go ask a five year old what root 36 is tommorow eh?
thegriffgeeks
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*repeats process....logs bug...gets on GuildWarsGuru.com to post a complaint about it*
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Did I say it was a BUG!!! No my complaint which you apparently DID NOT read was about the people who make that statement so that others quit their game inadvertantly.
MCS
Lol it's not nearly as bad as alt+6588 for some reason on some computers it quits GW. It just does a + sign for me .
Anyone falling for this needs to learn, don't play with random people.
.Anyone falling for this needs to learn, don't play with random people.
The Virago
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And you know all the Windows keyboard shortcuts without a cheatsheet or searching the web? Probably not. I don't know anyone who knows them all. And my experience is that the ones you use are the ones you know. I don't use ALT-F4 to quit a program when CTRL Q or better yet choosing quit from the menu works all the time. BTW how did you learn the shortcuts? Probably not from someone playing a evil, childish prank.
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I am ashamed to admit that, indeed, I do know all the Microsoft GUI standard keyboard commands. Of course, I'm older than dirt... so that has to be taken into consideration. (grin)
Admittedly, it is hard for the technical adepts in the world to remember they are still not a majority. But it is still true.
As to the OP, it's kind of like guys getting it caught in the zipper... I hear tell it rarely if ever happens twice.
But yes, I suspect there are some for whom this is considered high humor or 'competitive tactics'.
Sad.
thegriffgeeks
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Sorry for the extemporaneous soap box speech, but honestly, I can't stand such apathy.
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Sira
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Typical defensive posturing. When I run with my guild in 6v6 we know we're going to win anyway, so this is mostly just for kicks and to expedite the process. Don't like it? Well, there's not really anyone to stop me is there?
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You know your going to win anyway? yeah right i would think that if your a good team or guild, you would want a challenging fight. If you are that good of a guild you shouldnt have to expidite the process should you...while no i cant stop you, you alone just showed that your are in fact a skillless player and whats worse is that you are insulting your own guilds compitence level. A good guild or team coud handle the fight without resorting to low blow tactics
thegriffgeeks
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~coughing nervously~
I am ashamed to admit that, indeed, I do know all the Microsoft GUI standard keyboard commands. Of course, I'm older than dirt... so that has to be taken into consideration. (grin) |
The Virago
It's not that big a deal, really... especially when you have to know them all for work. Usability is kind of finicky like that. 
Night
Whats scarier? Some one doesn't know this or that someone listened to the OPPOSING TEAM and did this? Sorry, I have to laugh at this as annoying as it is, but if someone is going to listen to someone who is there to beat you, good lord you don't have a shot anyway. After the giggling I have to say I am bit speachless as the ignorance of people who do this. Lol, I wonder if they get caught on the 'pull my finger' gag on a regular basis.
Now don't take me wrong and I see how frustrating it is for you, but if you have a team member that is going to believe that one, you gotta team member who is going to attack the warriors first and get out of the range of his/hers healer. And if you have team members of this quality, no it won't be a challenging fight.
Now don't take me wrong and I see how frustrating it is for you, but if you have a team member that is going to believe that one, you gotta team member who is going to attack the warriors first and get out of the range of his/hers healer. And if you have team members of this quality, no it won't be a challenging fight.
Echo Eternal
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Typical defensive posturing. When I run with my guild in 6v6 we know we're going to win anyway, so this is mostly just for kicks and to expedite the process. Don't like it? Well, there's not really anyone to stop me is there?
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Too bad you don't publish your omgwtfpwned guildname. I'd like to go against you in the arena, allow you to shout your pissant dishonorable spam, plan to have someone from our group drop ahead of time, and kick your ass all the same.
I mean, if you can dream, so can we.*edit*
For the record to all these other chumps who seem to think computer knowledge and PVP skill are somehow linked, please take your heads outta yer arses. The two are mutually exclusive. I've had teammates who couldn't run a fax to save their lives, definitely wouldn't understand what "overclock" means much less how to overclock their vid card, do not understand the first thing regarding the mechanics of game design, but know to the T the effect of every single one of their skills and can combine them to a frightening degree. I like to believe these friends aren't gullible enough to fall for an opposing team's recommendation; but in my experience being innocent or naive is not generally considered flame-bait either.
Brett Kuntz
I think it's halarious, especially when people actually do quit. Even as old of a joke it is, it's still makes me lol every time I see someone quit.
The Virago
There are all kinds of silliness out there. I remember when the big joke on new players in Everquest (1) was to challenge someone to a duel and then tell them to use /d to deline the duel or worse, to type /d to accept a donation the player was trying to give to them.
/d was the shortcut command to accept (/duel being the long version).
Then there was the Magician's 'Rod of Transvergence' -- which, when right clicked, took 450 HP and gave you 450 mana. Needless to say, most new players didn't have 450 HP.
And so it goes.
/d was the shortcut command to accept (/duel being the long version).
Then there was the Magician's 'Rod of Transvergence' -- which, when right clicked, took 450 HP and gave you 450 mana. Needless to say, most new players didn't have 450 HP.
And so it goes.
Echo Eternal
Type /q to quick_review your DPS!