ALT-F4 announcement when entering team combat in the Tombs
CAT
If someone knows so little that they would do that i doubt your going to get anywhere with them.
Ironsword
My old guild used to do that when we would go into the guildhall battles saying that it would heal the whole and acting like they didn't know they we're using all chat it pissed me off to the point where i quit the guild over it
If you're not good enough to beat the other players then work harder and stop trying to trick people some people just don't use the key shortcuts in windows and so they don't know and how aggrivating would it be to get tricked into that in the middle of a GH battle and have your rating go down
If you're not good enough to beat the other players then work harder and stop trying to trick people some people just don't use the key shortcuts in windows and so they don't know and how aggrivating would it be to get tricked into that in the middle of a GH battle and have your rating go down
kkl
This happened to me few weeks ago in arena beside Yakbend...
the guy from other team yell "press Alt-F4 to view other team stats"
guess what... someone quit... then i look at my team member.... all 4 are there!
someone from his team quit.. LOL
and i think it's amusing... and i agree to a few ppl that replied ...
i have no sympathy for ppl who don't know what ALT-F4 does...
i mean... it means exact same thing as "pull the power cord to view other team stats" ...to me.. at least
first of all.. why do u wanna take the advantage to view other team stats 10 seconds ahead....thats the greediness, if u see they are all lvl 20.. when u are only lvl 10 u think it's gonna help?
2nd .. i mean.. ALT-F4 is a standard command for M$ windows since windows 3.1... even my little cousin knows what it does... CTRL-Q doesnt' "ALWAYS" work..mostly some word processor or something... so... it's good to learn what ALT-F4 is....
I agree that action is cheap ... and childish..and i dont' agree someone should do that... but... it's not a big deal... is a game.. and it's really sad that someone actually fall for that.. REALLY REALLY SAD... sometimes u have to pay a small price to learn.... that's life
the guy from other team yell "press Alt-F4 to view other team stats"
guess what... someone quit... then i look at my team member.... all 4 are there!
someone from his team quit.. LOL
and i think it's amusing... and i agree to a few ppl that replied ...
i have no sympathy for ppl who don't know what ALT-F4 does...
i mean... it means exact same thing as "pull the power cord to view other team stats" ...to me.. at least
first of all.. why do u wanna take the advantage to view other team stats 10 seconds ahead....thats the greediness, if u see they are all lvl 20.. when u are only lvl 10 u think it's gonna help?
2nd .. i mean.. ALT-F4 is a standard command for M$ windows since windows 3.1... even my little cousin knows what it does... CTRL-Q doesnt' "ALWAYS" work..mostly some word processor or something... so... it's good to learn what ALT-F4 is....
I agree that action is cheap ... and childish..and i dont' agree someone should do that... but... it's not a big deal... is a game.. and it's really sad that someone actually fall for that.. REALLY REALLY SAD... sometimes u have to pay a small price to learn.... that's life
Mayar third Keeper
Why do people take this so serious? Its just a joke no one holds the hall for hours with this "exploit" .....
slasc
TECHNICALLY speaking, the programmers CAN trap the Alt-F4 key combination. They won't though, and that is a funny trick. (I haven't encountered it yet. lol)
Raiddinn Beatdropper
I used to tell people to hit Alt XXX to make games go naked way back when.. probably like 15 years ago...
I grew out of that way back when too, games werent MMO back then so my fun would end when someone fell for that too.
Seriously though, trying to get an advantage from that in games where it actually matters is pretty weak, at least way back when I did it there werent actual statistics kept for any games or anything.
Anyone older than like 8 or 10 thats trying to get an advantage of this is a pretty sad player, straight up.
Tsunamii Starshine
I grew out of that way back when too, games werent MMO back then so my fun would end when someone fell for that too.
Seriously though, trying to get an advantage from that in games where it actually matters is pretty weak, at least way back when I did it there werent actual statistics kept for any games or anything.
Anyone older than like 8 or 10 thats trying to get an advantage of this is a pretty sad player, straight up.
Tsunamii Starshine
The Virago
Heh. I think you mean "+++" which was the old modem command to disconnect.
zemelett
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Originally Posted by thegriffgeeks
I'm so glad you were here sitting with me yesterday while I played so you could speak from such a position of authority. NOT.
Did I say it was a BUG!!! No my complaint which you apparently DID NOT read was about the people who make that statement so that others quit their game inadvertantly. |
Burem
It may be poor sportsmanship but they won the fight, didn't they? If I could talk the other team into alt f4ing I would. Sure, it's not really a "fair" strategy but it's not like you made them stupid.. they were born that way.
drowningfish999
The only thing I can think of is having an "Are you sure?" dialog appear when you press alt+f4, but I think that key stroke overrides anything, so I doubt it will work.
Stev0
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Originally Posted by Sting
As for your oppinion people somehow deserve it. IMPO you should get off your high horse and stop being a selfrightous ---
 . Its poor sportsmanship wheather you feel they should Know something or not. But yeah all ya can really do is laugh after the fact, but to think people deserve it is kinda stupid again IMPO. |
What next? A message in the log in window that tells users to avoid hitting the alt-f4 keys? It will end up like instructions on the back of a shampoo bottle if people are dumb like this.
Quinn Falcon
Just because your on opposing teams in an online game doesn't mean they're trick you out of winning no matter what, kinda sad when you can't even have alittle banter with your opponant in a simple match.
So I don't see why you should never ever listen to a word someone from other team says. I understand tombs is competitive, but it's not a genuine cash prize tournament.
And anyone who thinks you don't have the right to be somewhere without knowing every little keyboard shortcut, press Alt+X right now... really.
So I don't see why you should never ever listen to a word someone from other team says. I understand tombs is competitive, but it's not a genuine cash prize tournament.
And anyone who thinks you don't have the right to be somewhere without knowing every little keyboard shortcut, press Alt+X right now... really.
Lampshade
Ahahahahahahaa!!!
If you are to dumb to know that Alt+F4 closes a program I think you should be able to be ejected from the game. True scenario:
My Guildmate saysy in All: hey Shall isnt Alt=F4 a hax?
5 Koreans left
I was laughing hard
If you are to dumb to know that Alt+F4 closes a program I think you should be able to be ejected from the game. True scenario:
My Guildmate saysy in All: hey Shall isnt Alt=F4 a hax?
5 Koreans left
I was laughing hard
DrSLUGFly
yes I do realize that not everyone knows windows commands... but this is the most common command next to ctrl alt dlt which used to do the same thing...
If someone doesn't know this, they drop. If they try it again they deserve to drop. If they try it after a warning then they deserve to drop.
If someone doesn't know this, they drop. If they try it again they deserve to drop. If they try it after a warning then they deserve to drop.
Lek Stacy
People can do what they please, after all, it really is just a game. The people that hit alt F4 will learn. Guess that's what my father always meant by learning the hard way. I personaly think it's dishonest, unsportsmanlike and certainly not funny. I would never do it. Just my opinion
Wizard Yingu
Believe me, if they are dumb enough to fall for it... They probably suck as a teammate. You need a certain degree of intelligent---even to play a game. This trick filter out the useless. Btw... Saying it show team stats is dumb, saying it turns on godmode is DUMBER... Why would anyone tell you stuff like this??? THINK man, THINK. It must be a trick!!! But the "try-it" in every idiot makes them... "try it". I laugh at idiots. Btw, a better way would have been.
Dude:"Hi, good luck and have fun!"
Idiot1:"I don't need luck"
Idiot2:"We will pwn yoo!"
Dude:"Are you serious? Do you know who I am?"
Idiot1:"No."
Idiot2:"A noob?"
Dude:"lol, you must be new, I am the top ladder player, everyone knows that!"
Idiot2:"sure"
Idiot1:"yo mamma"
Dude:"Trust me, fear my stats! Look at my 22 winning steak!"
Idiot2:"sure"
Idiot1:"liar"
Dude:"How can I lie?"
Idiot1:"Well, we can't check, moron!"
Dude:"lol, so you ARE new... hold alt-F4 to bring up an entry bar... then type my name to see my stats"
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Idiot1 left the game.
Idiot2 left the game.
Dude:"gg"
Unluckydude:"Man, I didn't know my teammates were dumb enough to fall for that... Good Game!"
Dude:"Hi, good luck and have fun!"
Idiot1:"I don't need luck"
Idiot2:"We will pwn yoo!"
Dude:"Are you serious? Do you know who I am?"
Idiot1:"No."
Idiot2:"A noob?"
Dude:"lol, you must be new, I am the top ladder player, everyone knows that!"
Idiot2:"sure"
Idiot1:"yo mamma"
Dude:"Trust me, fear my stats! Look at my 22 winning steak!"
Idiot2:"sure"
Idiot1:"liar"
Dude:"How can I lie?"
Idiot1:"Well, we can't check, moron!"
Dude:"lol, so you ARE new... hold alt-F4 to bring up an entry bar... then type my name to see my stats"
.............................
Idiot1 left the game.
Idiot2 left the game.
Dude:"gg"
Unluckydude:"Man, I didn't know my teammates were dumb enough to fall for that... Good Game!"
Stev0
rofl!
Sly FoX
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Originally Posted by thegriffgeeks
How this can be shut down I do not know, but it needs to be. Maybe filtering the words.
However it is done, this should just not be allowed at all. The ALT-F4 announcement comes when in the Tombs. So here is the scenario. We get past the fight-the-monsters part, and are now waiting for the team rounds to begin. On local chat someone says "hit ALT-F4 to view team stats" or some other junk like that. We lost a few players that way even when we warned them not to do it and that ALT-F4 quits Guildwars because it is a Windows command not a GW command. I realize not everyone is familiar with all the Windows keyboard shortcuts so the word needs to get out. And the people who do this announcement....well I won't post here my feelings and thoughts on them. |
DarrenJasper
Don't worry guys, the people getting upset over this probably get upset when their opponents call them names. Horror.
It's pretty amazing to me since the PvP atmosphere is actually pretty watered down compared to other games. Old-timey DAoC PvP server? Wow, you had to have some tough skin for that place.
Y'know, mobs don't talk back, if maybe those are more to your liking...
It's pretty amazing to me since the PvP atmosphere is actually pretty watered down compared to other games. Old-timey DAoC PvP server? Wow, you had to have some tough skin for that place.
Y'know, mobs don't talk back, if maybe those are more to your liking...
Rhunex
yes...i like mobs...they're a high contact "sport" and no one needs to say a word other than "That way!" to get things rolling
Louis Ste Colombe
Reading the comments following the initial post, I sure feel know like PvP is a geek show.
Not to mention that some of the "this is fun trick-only dumby falls for it" are also people pretending to defend the "casual gamer" approach to GW (as in casual gamer got no time for grind).
You know what? Casual gamers got no time for learning windows keys either. I sure don't.
And if you think that there is any relation between geekiness and ingame skills, chances are, you're in for disappointment. In Total War, I was honored to be the teammates of one of the most humble, welcoming and good player there. The guy would have a very hard time dling additional maps, and if, god forbids, the dled maps were zipped, there were no way he could put them in the right folder.
Over long period, his % of victory was 73%. I got 65%. Over extended period of time, the most consistent and highest % I saw was 75%. He was not the best, but he was just next to it.
He would probably fall for Alt F4: only thing that would save him is lack of teamspeak
TW MP scene is very small, everyone knows each other... I have seen countless time games between rehosted because one player dropped at start, or one player sitting/ withdrawing if an opponent dropped.
So it's pretty sad to find out that GW MP scene is both ultra geeky and unwelcoming. For a game advertised for casual gamers, that's a bad surprise.
Louis,
Not to mention that some of the "this is fun trick-only dumby falls for it" are also people pretending to defend the "casual gamer" approach to GW (as in casual gamer got no time for grind).
You know what? Casual gamers got no time for learning windows keys either. I sure don't.
And if you think that there is any relation between geekiness and ingame skills, chances are, you're in for disappointment. In Total War, I was honored to be the teammates of one of the most humble, welcoming and good player there. The guy would have a very hard time dling additional maps, and if, god forbids, the dled maps were zipped, there were no way he could put them in the right folder.
Over long period, his % of victory was 73%. I got 65%. Over extended period of time, the most consistent and highest % I saw was 75%. He was not the best, but he was just next to it.
He would probably fall for Alt F4: only thing that would save him is lack of teamspeak
TW MP scene is very small, everyone knows each other... I have seen countless time games between rehosted because one player dropped at start, or one player sitting/ withdrawing if an opponent dropped.
So it's pretty sad to find out that GW MP scene is both ultra geeky and unwelcoming. For a game advertised for casual gamers, that's a bad surprise.
Louis,
Great Gjl
What saddens me is how this is considered as humour, especially when you see it before EVERY tombs battle.
Ah well, I guess having people Alt+F4ing to learn about the windows shortcut is more useful than having them in the tombs where they'd probably end up getting squished along with their henchmen friends.
Ah well, I guess having people Alt+F4ing to learn about the windows shortcut is more useful than having them in the tombs where they'd probably end up getting squished along with their henchmen friends.
Fantras
Playing CS for so long, I didn't fall for this when it happened to me. Nor did any of our team. Just drop a line before you even enter the mission that this won't work and unless you have truly unattentive team mates, you will be fine. Personally, I think it's hilarious.
Lord Tanakia
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Originally Posted by thegriffgeeks
How this can be shut down I do not know, but it needs to be. Maybe filtering the words.
However it is done, this should just not be allowed at all. The ALT-F4 announcement comes when in the Tombs. So here is the scenario. We get past the fight-the-monsters part, and are now waiting for the team rounds to begin. On local chat someone says "hit ALT-F4 to view team stats" or some other junk like that. We lost a few players that way even when we warned them not to do it and that ALT-F4 quits Guildwars because it is a Windows command not a GW command. I realize not everyone is familiar with all the Windows keyboard shortcuts so the word needs to get out. And the people who do this announcement....well I won't post here my feelings and thoughts on them. |
all computer illiterates must pay for their stupidity...
RTSFirebat
Simply put they should just add a message "Are you sure you want to exit the game?"
Or "Are you really that stupid and want to see the stats?"
But then again ALT+F4 is a windows command which INSTANTLY closes any program or application, its good since it forces applications to close.
But really not everyone knows this and it is funny to see people in all sorts of games full for it all the time.
Or "Are you really that stupid and want to see the stats?"
But then again ALT+F4 is a windows command which INSTANTLY closes any program or application, its good since it forces applications to close.
But really not everyone knows this and it is funny to see people in all sorts of games full for it all the time.
The Virago
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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper
Don't worry guys, the people getting upset over this probably get upset when their opponents call them names. Horror.
It's pretty amazing to me since the PvP atmosphere is actually pretty watered down compared to other games. Old-timey DAoC PvP server? Wow, you had to have some tough skin for that place. Y'know, mobs don't talk back, if maybe those are more to your liking... |
For what it's worth, having someone talk back isn't the problem (stop projecting your mom and dad's issues onto us, m'kay?). It's that, more and more often, it is some idiot kid with more zits than sense that can't open their mouth without saying something so totally idiotic that you just cringe to be around them or in their team, because you hate the idea someone on the other side might think you're just as stupid.
For the most part, the 'old timers' aren't here. Those that are seem to be like myself, retired to PvE for the most part, but pop over into the arena now and then, usually late nights, when you can hope the kiddies are in bed.
Taking advantage of someone's computer illiteracy is not tactical. It's stupid. Just like those who support it.
Bazooka
Do you really want someone who falls for this to be on your team? You're better off being a man down.
thejynxed
I concur with The Virago. I avoid all of the children by playing PvP at 3am. I rarely if ever see the Alt+F4 nonsense then. People who use that to their advantage have no skill, no honor, and need to grow up. Maybe they need a course in online etiquette and ethics.
The Virago
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Originally Posted by thejynxed
I concur with The Virago. I avoid all of the children by playing PvP at 3am. I rarely if ever see the Alt+F4 nonsense then. People who use that to their advantage have no skill, no honor, and need to grow up. Maybe they need a course in online etiquette and ethics.
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thegriffgeeks
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Originally Posted by zemelett
ah you see i didn't mean that you where the one logging the bug or that you claimed it as a bug. I was simply making a little skit to show how it must look for someone who doesn't know about alt-F4. Usually when someone thinks they have just learned something really cool and new they will try it a few times to see if they can make it work....didn't mean to hurt your feel bads...
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thegriffgeeks
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Originally Posted by Lord Tanakia
pwnt...
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And I am sure that includes you. And since you use pwnt it shows your lack of literacy and your age. Kidda like a script kiddy following/stealing someone else's work.
Peace out but next time post something that contributes to the discussion.
thegriffgeeks
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Originally Posted by thejynxed
I concur with The Virago. I avoid all of the children by playing PvP at 3am. I rarely if ever see the Alt+F4 nonsense then. People who use that to their advantage have no skill, no honor, and need to grow up. Maybe they need a course in online etiquette and ethics.
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toastgodsupreme
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Originally Posted by The Virago
Taking advantage of someone's computer illiteracy is not tactical. It's stupid. Just like those who support it.
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Like many people have said, a lot of people don't fall for this twice. I have yet to see a thread on any forums from someone going "Wtf!! Alt+F4 is broken and crashes my game when I try to bring up the score!"
It is tactical. I will exploit my enemy any way possible. I'm 22 years old and see this as a viable tactic. The goal is to win.
The Virago
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Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme
It is tactical. I will exploit my enemy any way possible. I'm 22 years old and see this as a viable tactic. The goal is to win.
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Fortunately, you should outgrow both. One can hope.
DarrenJasper
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Originally Posted by The Virago
Newsflash, Starbuck -- "old timey" isn't DAoC. The old timers know about when PvP started going down the tubes, it was when the average bored kid with more zits than sense learned there was an "interweb" outside what AOL gave ya and talked mommy and daddy into paying for an online game.
For what it's worth, having someone talk back isn't the problem (stop projecting your mom and dad's issues onto us, m'kay?). It's that, more and more often, it is some idiot kid with more zits than sense that can't open their mouth without saying something so totally idiotic that you just cringe to be around them or in their team, because you hate the idea someone on the other side might think you're just as stupid. For the most part, the 'old timers' aren't here. Those that are seem to be like myself, retired to PvE for the most part, but pop over into the arena now and then, usually late nights, when you can hope the kiddies are in bed. Taking advantage of someone's computer illiteracy is not tactical. It's stupid. Just like those who support it. |
Maybe I referred to DAoC because it was my favorite incarnation of PvP to date? Unlike most of you 'old timers' I don't worship pre-Trammel UO like it was the goddamn promised land. It may have been rough but in the end all that mattered was your connection.
Oh I'm sorry, unless you're referring to Gemstone III, or some other worthless antediluvian MUD. Really, do you have to back up every single argument with "I'm so much older than all of you and therefore I know better"?
And honestly, any PvPer who "retires" to PvE probably wasn't much of one in the first place.
Nokomis
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Originally Posted by thegriffgeeks
How this can be shut down I do not know, but it needs to be. Maybe filtering the words.
However it is done, this should just not be allowed at all. The ALT-F4 announcement comes when in the Tombs. So here is the scenario. We get past the fight-the-monsters part, and are now waiting for the team rounds to begin. On local chat someone says "hit ALT-F4 to view team stats" or some other junk like that. We lost a few players that way even when we warned them not to do it and that ALT-F4 quits Guildwars because it is a Windows command not a GW command. I realize not everyone is familiar with all the Windows keyboard shortcuts so the word needs to get out. And the people who do this announcement....well I won't post here my feelings and thoughts on them. |
Actually lately when playing during daytime hours I have encountered such poor excuses for human beings on teams I have joined that I think the alt-F4 deal might be a good way to get rid of the stupidest of the lot.
--Nokomis
thegriffgeeks
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Originally Posted by Nokomis
Actually lately when playing during daytime hours I have encountered such poor excuses for human beings on teams I have joined that I think the alt-F4 deal might be a good way to get rid of the stupidest of the lot.
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I have meet some nice naive people who fell for it. They weren't bad people and not knowing a particular keystroke combination doesn't make you stupid or dumb. And shouldn't make you the target of all the insecure people out there who need such things to make themselves look bigger and better in their own eyes.
I think daytime hours, which I agree are pretty bad and I think will stay that way for about 3 months because schools are getting out for the summer, have a predominance of a younger crowd who just don't give a rat's putootie about anything except themselves and what makes them laugh no matter what the expense. They don't care who they trash and their lack of consideration for other human beings is amazing low. Hopefully they are not that way in RL, but my hopes are not founded in anything other than wishful thinking because I believe the true character of person comes out online.
There are a lot of insecure people out there who try to mask their insecurities with arrogance and other various smoke screens. And make themselves feel better about abusing someone by saying it's part of their "tactics."
The ALT-F4 is like the person who plays tricks on a blind person. In RL there would be an uproar for such abuse, but here it's considered "tactics" and "fun." How sad.
Stev0
Calling of the Herd of you ask me...
When the large group of animals wander too close to the edge of the cliff and the dumb ones stray off the edge leaving the smarter ones around to pro-create.
Yes. This is a dirty trick and I dont support ideals that cause people to have a bad experience online. But if you fall for this then ... theres nothing more I can really say that I already have said.
When the large group of animals wander too close to the edge of the cliff and the dumb ones stray off the edge leaving the smarter ones around to pro-create.
Yes. This is a dirty trick and I dont support ideals that cause people to have a bad experience online. But if you fall for this then ... theres nothing more I can really say that I already have said.
thegriffgeeks
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Originally Posted by Stev0
Calling of the Herd of you ask me...
When the large group of animals wander too close to the edge of the cliff and the dumb ones stray off the edge leaving the smarter ones around to pro-create. |
As I said in a previous post:
There are a lot of insecure people out there who try to mask their insecurities with arrogance and other various smoke screens. And make themselves feel better about abusing someone by saying it's part of their "tactics."
The problem with the whole animal theory is we are not animals.
Stev0
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Originally Posted by thegriffgeeks
The problem with the whole animal theory is we are not animals.
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