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Other than higher brain functions. I'd say we are.
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Again another demonstration of your lack of knowledge, but I'm not calling you dumb, stupid, or a noob.
ALT-F4 announcement when entering team combat in the Tombs
thegriffgeeks
Again another demonstration of your lack of knowledge, but I'm not calling you dumb, stupid, or a noob.
Lek Stacy
As much as I'd hate to say this, I don't believe this is going to stop.
My suggestion would be to try and protect at least your team. When you get a group together suggest that everyone turns off all thier chat channels but the team channel.
My suggestion would be to try and protect at least your team. When you get a group together suggest that everyone turns off all thier chat channels but the team channel.
ElevenBravo
heres a suggestions..."DONT PRESS ALT F4!" If you fall for that your a newb and deserve it. Lesson learn.
kalaris
Well there is a way to disable windows shortcut keys when running a program, I don't remember off the top of my head, but I can look it up,
I guess Anet could put an option's screen in where you can disable/enable Certain key combinations in GW
"For the End of the World Spell, press ctrl + Alt + Del "
I guess Anet could put an option's screen in where you can disable/enable Certain key combinations in GW
"For the End of the World Spell, press ctrl + Alt + Del "
zoozoc
lol I fell for that trick once in b1942. I was such a noob then. 
Twilight Doll
LOL funny post
The Virago
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Hahaha, I thought you were ignoring me Virago? Because I kept kicking that elitist stepladder out from under you in the grind debate? Should have figured that was a bluff.
Maybe I referred to DAoC because it was my favorite incarnation of PvP to date? Unlike most of you 'old timers' I don't worship pre-Trammel UO like it was the goddamn promised land. It may have been rough but in the end all that mattered was your connection. Oh I'm sorry, unless you're referring to Gemstone III, or some other worthless antediluvian MUD. Really, do you have to back up every single argument with "I'm so much older than all of you and therefore I know better"? And honestly, any PvPer who "retires" to PvE probably wasn't much of one in the first place. |
As to the rest, let's just say the day some zit like you bothers me there'll be snowball fights in hell.
Kiru Malkav
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The ALT-F4 is like the person who plays tricks on a blind person. In RL there would be an uproar for such abuse, but here it's considered "tactics" and "fun." How sad.
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I've seen group initiations for various things, from gang initiations being covered on the news, to the frat initiations in university (I'm not from America, I dunno if you guys actually do the stuff on tv and in films, but I'll offer that as an example)
The admins for a lan party once duct taped a guy up in his sleeping bag and put him on a trolly, and sent him up to the top floor of the hotel because he was the new guy.
If you've ever been asked to go get the glass nails or something equaly useless in your working life, then that's the same too.
Just deal with it, it is actually just harmless fun, whether good taste or not. I bet most of the people in this thread have done it once (How do you think they know that key combo so well?
)Whether you like it or not, it is a part of life, and it hardens most people up a bit after something like that has happened to them, and gives them an edge that they need to cope with reality. So yeah, just chill.
thegriffgeeks
Just because something "happens a lot" and "everyone does it" does not make it right. Slavery use to "happen a lot" and "everyone was doing it." And that list can be pretty long of the things that use to "happen a lot" and "everyone was doing it."
But as civilizations grow they realize that something are not for the betterment of the community.
BTW hazing in fraternities and sororities is illegal in the US.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but this is not an initiation ritual as is evidenced by the responses in this post which therefore negates your "it's an initiation" argument. People actually use it regularly in PVP as part of their "tactics."
"it is actually just harmless fun" - is it only harmless because there was no damage that can be viewed by the harmer's eye? All "harmless fun" causes damage, most of which is not visible to the human eye.
But as civilizations grow they realize that something are not for the betterment of the community.
BTW hazing in fraternities and sororities is illegal in the US.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but this is not an initiation ritual as is evidenced by the responses in this post which therefore negates your "it's an initiation" argument. People actually use it regularly in PVP as part of their "tactics."
"it is actually just harmless fun" - is it only harmless because there was no damage that can be viewed by the harmer's eye? All "harmless fun" causes damage, most of which is not visible to the human eye.
BiggDunc
well, someday everyone wil have learned
how?
having it happen to them, just once
they will know that is close program forever after that
but hilarious no doubt
noobs
how?
having it happen to them, just once
they will know that is close program forever after that
but hilarious no doubt
noobs
DarrenJasper
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Just because something "happens a lot" and "everyone does it" does not make it right. Slavery use to "happen a lot" and "everyone was doing it." And that list can be pretty long of the things that use to "happen a lot" and "everyone was doing it."
But as civilizations grow they realizes that something are not for the betterment of the community. BTW hazing in fraternities and sororities is illegal in the US. Sorry to rain on your parade, but this is not an initiation ritual as is evidenced by the responses in this post which therefore negates your "it's an initiation" argument. People actually use it regularly in PVP as part of their "tactics." "it is actually just harmless fun" - is it only harmless because there was no damage that can be viewed by the harmer's eye? All "harmless fun" causes damage, most of which is not visible to the human eye. |
Chill. Out. You just went overboard by a lightyear, and your comment about "all harmless fun causing damage" strikes me as particularly unsettling... I guess you're in favor of outlawing drinking, or partying? How about theme parks? Clowns are fun, can't have them walking about! Why don't we all just live like the Amish? Hell, if that's what you think, what the hell are you doing playing computer games? Won't the radiation fry your eyeballs, or some such nonsense?
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And you know all the Windows keyboard shortcuts without a cheatsheet or searching the web? Probably not. I don't know anyone who knows them all. And my experience is that the ones you use are the ones you know. I don't use ALT-F4 to quit a program when CTRL Q or better yet choosing quit from the menu works all the time. BTW how did you learn the shortcuts? Probably not from someone playing a evil, childish prank. |
I'm not advocating going around and making people drop. My point is, the internet is not a nice place. If someone told them to download a file to gain invincibility, they'd probably do it and get a trojan in their computer. It's better to learn not to be too trusting of people online from a simple drop incident, than from getting your computer hacked.
BahamutKaiser
hilarious, some people will learn to use a computer the hard way. The windows key is a far more difficult problem, because even though you know it's there, it still gets misaction due to location. Both are windows functions and should not be tampered with, it is a resource to override exsisting programs.
This is a problem of mis-information, players should learn, otherwise you can try to deprogram your computer functions on a personal lvl, since knowing is enough to avoid such a stupid mistake then nobody actually needs to remove it.
This is a problem of mis-information, players should learn, otherwise you can try to deprogram your computer functions on a personal lvl, since knowing is enough to avoid such a stupid mistake then nobody actually needs to remove it.
Vyxxen Heartstomper
I just want to add that all those people who laugh at others for not knowing something, such as ALT-F4 give everyone with good intentions in GW a bad name. Lots of CHILDREN don't know what it is because they don't have the experience of it.
YOU have the experience and knowledge. And to laugh at others who don't have that knowledge - why not just go to the local trailerpark and make fun of others who haven't had your advantages...... etc. etc.
TEACH others, and the rewards will be great. LAUGH at others at your own expense.
YOU have the experience and knowledge. And to laugh at others who don't have that knowledge - why not just go to the local trailerpark and make fun of others who haven't had your advantages...... etc. etc.
TEACH others, and the rewards will be great. LAUGH at others at your own expense.
Eclair
Isn't this game rated M or something? Or at least Teens+ I believe. Children shouldn't be playing such a violent game =P
Burem
I learned this from someone doing it to me (diablo 1, I believe?). I laughed, learned my lesson, and went on my way. You're acting like there's f4 nazis forcing people to press it. This isn't the second coming of christ, it's a windows shortcut. Stop getting so excited.
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That is your opinion (unless you are a world reknown scientist, but from your posts I would doubt that highly), which is not the opinion of the science community at large. Because that exception you note is the exception that makes us not animals.
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Julius Gaius
Think of this F4 thing simply as Darwin's Theory at work.
Some are fit, and some aren't. Besides, you don't want people that can be suckered so easily in your PvP group anyway. Temporary inconvenience notwithstanding, your group will be better for it on the long run.
Be better, or be bitter, your choice.
Some are fit, and some aren't. Besides, you don't want people that can be suckered so easily in your PvP group anyway. Temporary inconvenience notwithstanding, your group will be better for it on the long run.
Be better, or be bitter, your choice.
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Think of this F4 thing simply as Darwin's Theory at work.
Some are fit, and some aren't. Besides, you don't want people that can be suckered so easily in your PvP group anyway. Temporary inconvenience notwithstanding, your group will be better for it on the long run. Be better, or be bitter, your choice. |
Ascension
I remember when I was 10 playing Diablo 2.
"Drop your item, press ALT-F4 and it will be duped."
As everyone's stated, I've never done it since then! It only takes once ... no matter the age.
On a related note, has anyone ever heard of the Darwin Awards?
Press Ctrl-Alt-Delete twice for ultamegacool god mode!
Ascension
"Drop your item, press ALT-F4 and it will be duped."
As everyone's stated, I've never done it since then! It only takes once ... no matter the age.
On a related note, has anyone ever heard of the Darwin Awards? Press Ctrl-Alt-Delete twice for ultamegacool god mode!
Ascension
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Again this is what I say. I think in reality the person who can't accept the truth of this Electronic Darwinian-like Theory, perhaps it is they who dropped their game and then posted all this. Everyone else here seems smart enough not to use alt-F4. However they just want to take their frustration out on someone else instead.
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Just because people disagree with you don't make them wrong and you right.
Oh BTW Darwin was and is wrong in many of his theories. Not to mention a distrurbed person. "Darwin's "contribution" to science was the theory that one species changes into another. Yet there was no scientific justification for that idea, since it was never verified by the evidence. " A little research on the web will help you there.
And think about this for awhile StevO:
"The great masses of men are in the lower lands, trusting in the words of others to guide and instruct them. They believe what they believe because of what they have been told." The author goes on to say not because they examine the data and gain more knowledge to find out the truth.
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Oh BTW Darwin was and is wrong in many of his theories. Not to mention a distrurbed person. "Darwin's "contribution" to science was the theory that one species changes into another. Yet there was no scientific justification for that idea, since it was never verified by the evidence. " A little research on the web will help you there.
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People can say whatever they want on a webpage. It's not exactly a peer-reviewed scientific journal. "A little research on the web" is generally not helpful to anyone who doesn't already have a good background in the subject at hand, as they can't distinguish the good info from the bad.
It also starts out with an ad homimen attack. The author is counting on the reader being prone to logical fallacies from the get-go.
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Just because you think it is true and right and okay to do doesn't mean that it is.
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Seriously, if they didn't know what alt-f4 did, then they deserved it.
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Kiru Malkav
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Oh BTW Darwin was and is wrong in many of his theories. Not to mention a distrurbed person. "Darwin's "contribution" to science was the theory that one species changes into another. Yet there was no scientific justification for that idea, since it was never verified by the evidence. " A little research on the web will help you there.
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Some people in this crazy world make me laugh. When I say alt-f4 is a harmless prank, it's because alot of people I know that have had it work on them have laughed about it afterwards. And don't get me started on Darwin. What thegriffgeeks wrote above is just stupid. If only stupidity was as fatal as it used to be maybe society would be a better place, lol.
thurinn
I will quit on teams if someone on my team starts up idiotic nonsense, one of them being the Alt-F4 crap. Then there's other things like racist taunts, your mama jokes, insults about someone's sexuality etc. Reward good behaviour with praise and help and discourage bad behaviour by shunning those who engage in it. Basic social principles at work. Online gaming seriously needs it.
The Red Knight
This thread makes my head hurt =[. This is the same logic as you being a christian family and you watch family guy find it offensive then petition to get it removed off the air because it is offensive to your children. rather then being a good parent and making sure that your kids never watch it.
Bleh
Bleh
thegriffgeeks
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That theory is older than Darwin -- how could his 'contribution' be a theory that was around before he was born? No, Darwin's contribution to the already existing theory of evolution
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The list of those who contributed to Evolutionary Thought http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/evothought.html
There is a difference.
But then again this thread is not about the Theory of Evolution. And the Theory of Evolution is not about exploiting knowledge to gain your own advantage either.
With ALT-F4 either you are the bully who uses it or you're the people who stand around and watch the bully pick on someone and laugh saying it's okay just harmless fun. Reinforcing to the bully that is okay.
The problem is what goes around comes around. And when the bully picks on you, who's going to stand up for you and say it's not right and it's not funny.
There are people out there who need such things to make themselves look bigger and better in their own eyes. Then make themselves feel better about abusing someone by saying it's part of their "tactics" or it was harmless fun.
"The moral thing to do is not always the popular thing to do."
Peace out people. And hopefully Anet will trap the ALT-F4 so that people know it will quit the program (a kindler gentler way to educate people on what ALT-F4 does.)
thurinn
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This thread makes my head hurt =[. This is the same logic as you being a christian family and you watch family guy find it offensive then petition to get it removed off the air because it is offensive to your children. rather then being a good parent and making sure that your kids never watch it.
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Drakron
Oh god, not inteligent design and creationism "theory" (since we cannot call it that) again ...
How many times have the crackpots that want to put the bible creation myth as "scientific facts" have to be shoot down again and again before people wise up to the fact that is the christians fanatics agenda to put bible study in public schools again.
How many times have the crackpots that want to put the bible creation myth as "scientific facts" have to be shoot down again and again before people wise up to the fact that is the christians fanatics agenda to put bible study in public schools again.
Mordread
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Lighten up, its a game. I've seen people try this in online games for years, hell I might have fallen for it at some point. Everyone needs to learn there way around Windows at some point, lol.
Lighten up, its a game. I've seen people try this in online games for years, hell I might have fallen for it at some point. Everyone needs to learn there way around Windows at some point, lol.
Stev0
...you gotta go out and get laid or up your medication dosage.
...or stop hitting keys with the advice of others. lol
It's people like you who waste the time of others to push for legislation so that labels on Hairdryers are mandatory because some dumass tried use his blowdryer in his shower. Bothering game developers over the fact that some people are blind to general computer use is without a doubt the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
So many people in this thread do NOT think there should be a stop gap measure in a game against this stupidness. What next? Removing the [X] at the top right and the logout button to stop people from accidently selecting THAT?
Christ.
...or stop hitting keys with the advice of others. lol
It's people like you who waste the time of others to push for legislation so that labels on Hairdryers are mandatory because some dumass tried use his blowdryer in his shower. Bothering game developers over the fact that some people are blind to general computer use is without a doubt the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
So many people in this thread do NOT think there should be a stop gap measure in a game against this stupidness. What next? Removing the [X] at the top right and the logout button to stop people from accidently selecting THAT?
Christ.
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Griffgeeks... you gotta go out and get laid or up your medication dosage.
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Also, what a fine example of a bully in action. You can't come back with something intelligent because you have no intelligent response therefore you resort to throwing insults.
Dude you are clueless and apparently humanless too. Not to mention you don't even know me. You assume too much and not enough (at the same time), and you know what they say when you assume.
JoDiamonds
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Seriously. How stupid are people to fall for this.
I don't want people on my team who think ALT-F4 is a GW command ... or that the ALT-tab is a fight combo or something else non OS related. ALT-F4 and like commands are in Windows are there for a reason. For calling up and dropping apps. People who fall for it do deserve it they should smarten up and learn how to use their computer. |
The learning curve should be as low as possible. Computers are already too hard to use. This is poor design on the part of windows and on the part of Guild Wars.
Many programs ask you to confirm quitting, even when you use Alt-F4. Guild Wars should ABSOLUTELY pop up a dialog box asking to confirm, such as, "Quit Guild Wars?" with "Yes, Quit", and "No, Keep Playing" buttons that are clear and obvious.
Software is still pretty badly designed from a usability perspective, and this is just one more issue. Saying that people should have to learn through mistakes is stupid. Anything that CAN be designed to minimize mistakes should be. As it stands, it's one more bit of shoddy craftmanship in an otherwise excellent game.
There shouldn't need to be a question of people being jerks or not; it should be impossible for people to be jerks when software can prevent it. Inexperienced computer users shouldn't be punished for it.
Yes, I realize this isn't a cure-all for every issue. But where software can work better, it should, and as consumers we should be demanding usable software.
Stev0
It's not my fault you are retarded enough to hit ALT-F4.
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It's not my fault you are retarded enough to hit ALT-F4.
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http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=113
And judging from a quick scan of your other posts you are what they call a troll.
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It is amazing how the definition of a troll fits you to a T. You jump on people, call them names, and throw insults. These all point to a person with a miserable existence. I feel for you. It would be good to take your own advice of getting a life and/or seek some professional help.
DarrenJasper
Oh, give it a rest griffgeeks. You have become so defensive by this point that I'd be surprised if anyone was still supporting you. Instead of trying to rebut people, you just call them trolls, bullies, or fools, throw around some of the most overused quotes of all time, and (after deriding them for assuming things about you) make the grand assumption that they're unhappy and proceed to ladel on the pity.
You've made your position on this issue very clear, and I hope you're not idealistic enough to think you're going to change anyone's mind here. If you want to make a big fat sticky thread in the knowledge forum saying "DON'T PRESS ALT+F4!!!", knock yourself out. But continuously proclaiming your distaste for a tactic you don't approve of is getting you nowhere.
Personally, I can't help but be reminded of those old "Spy vs. Spy" cartoons. Anyone remember those? When one spy would hand the other the button that detonates all the TNT he's standing on? "Oh gee, my arch-nemesis has given me a button. Guess I'll give it a press!" The comedy was always in how surprised he look when he got blown to bits. This is pretty much the same situation.
You've made your position on this issue very clear, and I hope you're not idealistic enough to think you're going to change anyone's mind here. If you want to make a big fat sticky thread in the knowledge forum saying "DON'T PRESS ALT+F4!!!", knock yourself out. But continuously proclaiming your distaste for a tactic you don't approve of is getting you nowhere.
Personally, I can't help but be reminded of those old "Spy vs. Spy" cartoons. Anyone remember those? When one spy would hand the other the button that detonates all the TNT he's standing on? "Oh gee, my arch-nemesis has given me a button. Guess I'll give it a press!" The comedy was always in how surprised he look when he got blown to bits. This is pretty much the same situation.
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Oh, give it a rest griffgeeks.
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I am not afraid of a difference of opinion. I do take issue with insults and trashing because the other person has nothing better to come back with.
BTW this was to be my last post http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=108. Did you read it?
But then the insults and trashing starts, or with some people continue.
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You've made your position on this issue very clear, and I hope you're not idealistic enough to think you're going to change anyone's mind here.
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But continuously proclaiming your distaste for a tactic you don't approve of is getting you nowhere.
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If you feel you or StevO have to have the last word in this thread, knock yourself out.
I made my last point to this thread here http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=108 Read it, but I really don't care if you don't agree. And yes I have read your opinion on this thread I don't agree. You don't agree with mine. There is nothing wrong with that. There is a line at flaming.
You know what is amazing? People can disagree and be civil about it. Really! It happens all the time. But because I call out the tactics being thrown at me that are less than civil you say I'm the bad person. I'm trying to follow that logic.
And the more you and StevO (and anyone else for that matter) jump in here and trash me for my opinion, the more this http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm comes into play.
seeker monk
ok... its up to me to keep this thread going...
did he just link to aol?
did he just link to aol?
DarrenJasper
Boy that is a lot of implication. Did I really imply all that? I guess I also implied my thoughts on the Chinese occupation and Terri Schiavo in there too, huh? Yeah, you just have to read between the lines. Basically, everywhere in your post that you use the word "implicit" is logically invalid, because even if I don't come out 100% against something, that does not imply I am 100% in favor of it.
If only it had been. But then you came back. How many times do you plan to bow out of this thread?
Or they are cheapened by people who use them inappropriately. But I digress...
Oh ho! And here's the real kicker. Care to run this one by a doctor sometime soon? Or how about if I told you that you exhibited all the signs of acute stress disorder and chronic anxiety? Would you go get a prescription based on that?
This was particularly ironic after you flew into a rage when someone told you to "up your medication dosage".
And here we go with the obligatory "you're all just TROLLING". Maybe we take offense to you calling all the people who broadcast alt+f4 immature brats, or whatever other colorful terms you dreamed up back there? Maybe if you'd been paying attention you'd realize that we consider it to be a valid tactic and will respond with equal aggression when you try and deride us for using it. So, you don't really get to call us trolls. Sorry. I realize that was kind of the keystone of your argument.
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BTW this was to be my last post http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=108. Did you read it?
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Not hardly. Quotes are repeated because they stand the test of time. If a quote no longer holds true it is no longer quoted. It is that simple.
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Not an assumption. If you have the symptoms of an illness, you have the illness.
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This was particularly ironic after you flew into a rage when someone told you to "up your medication dosage".
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And the more you and StevO (and anyone else for that matter) jump in here and trash me for my opinion, the more this http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm comes into play.
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