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Jedsia

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Savannah, GA

Knights of Oasis

Mo/E

10 Jun 2005 at 12:53 - 1

Am I the only one who think tihs is totally wrong, cheesy and should be stopped? There's a reason there's a PVP template. If people want to be instant 20, there it is. Ya I get my own copy of the game each time I walk out of town, but it still sickens me to hear of these characters leeching their way to Ascenion trials at character levels as low as 3.

I did post a complaint about this to the GW support and was told to post on a forum, so here I am

Here's what I offically had to say:

As a PvE primarily player, I'm quite distressed by the fact many people have found a loophole to Ascending. I'm hearing of numerous reports of EXTREMELY low level characters, like lvl 3s being at Ascension trials. I'm also concerned that players are paying higher level characters to escourt them through Lornar's Pass to purchase level 20 armor at low levels.

Ascension is supposed to mean something. And it cheapens the game to have these loopholes. Can it be made so that you have to ACTUALLY Ascend to get to Droknars. Close the pass please. And it ruins the Pve enviroment that low levels are getting this stuff so early and benefitting from friends carrying them to the desert. Can there be a level requirement to Ascension trials, and check the entire party, not just the leader. People are slipping through by joining parties and leeching

Is this really asking too much. I mean, it really does cheapen the play in my opinion, to know that I spent hours going through the game as it was meant to be played and someone else can come along and just skip through it all and get the same benefit. Kinda takes the importance out of Ascenion in my opinion.

Diplo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

UK

N/W

10 Jun 2005 at 13:07 - 2

At the end of the day, though, these people are really only cheating themselves by lessening their own experience and enjoyment of the game.

Myodato

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

WOR

Mo/

10 Jun 2005 at 13:12 - 3

Why should people have to ascend anyway ? This game is linear enough already without forcing people to do more things in a set pattern. If somebody makes it to ascension at lvl 3, then good for them; it doesn't spoil my fun. It's not like being lvl 20 actually means anything, the game barely starts before then anyway. Lets face it, anybody doing this has probably already ascended once, so why force them to repeat the same linear, repetetive quests ?

Also, there are still other things to consider, even having hit lvl 20. You still need cash to buy armour, and you won't have any skills because you skipped all the skill quests.

Seriously, in a game where it is easy for almost anybody to get to the top level fairly quickly, what does it matter is a few take shortcuts ? The way I see it, the only people missing out are those that don't bother doing all the content they've paid for.

Dirkiess

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Uk, England.

E/Mo

10 Jun 2005 at 13:13 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diplo

At the end of the day, though, these people are really only cheating themselves by lessening their own experience and enjoyment of the game.

And if they complain about being bored and they have lvl20 characters, then don't reply to them, it's there fault for wanting to complete the game too quickly.

Jedsia

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Savannah, GA

Knights of Oasis

Mo/E

10 Jun 2005 at 13:13 - 5

True. Though in a way it does impact other players. Especially those who PvP.

After all, is it really fair for a lvl 10 character to go into a team arena with lvl 20 armor? And skills bought in high level areas that other wont have access to.

This game is about balance, and this imbalances it.

Oh, and sorry if I put this is the wrong forum, I'm still fairly new here and its a HUGE forum.

I know its not a huge deal, since I primarily play with guildmates or henchmen, or the few people I've met in random groups I keep in touch with. But still.

There's a roleplaying character and a pvp character. I dont think it's really roleplaying to instant zap to Ascension. Not that I expect D&D quality roleplay from this game. It's just the point I suppose. ArenaNet has already made things SO painless, it doesnt seem to much to ask.

Or maybe just put level requirments on the armor.

Dralon

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Stillwater, OK

R/Mo

10 Jun 2005 at 13:23 - 6

Is it fair for a level 10 to have Uber weapons passed from their alt? doesn't that unbalance things too. Take a breath. This is a game, it will never be perfectly fair. Kind of like life. And a reason no one should feel better than anyone else because of an win in a game.

Jedsia

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Savannah, GA

Knights of Oasis

Mo/E

10 Jun 2005 at 13:27 - 7

And again true, people can pass items off. I even share finds with other characters and friends. But there are also requirements on those items.

Maybe just making level requirments on the armors would help. And ya, I know it's just a game, and most of these people dont directly affect me.

I think my overall concern was overall balance. No, everything wont always be fair. But in a game where things are already so open to the palyers with minimal "grind", it just doesnt seem like much to ask.

And I'd never let an extremely low level in a team with me, so those leeching wont affect me directly either.

The Pope

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

10 Jun 2005 at 14:19 - 8

The level 3 ascention allows people to skip some grind. Therefore I like it. If the PvP templates had everything they needed, then I'd wouldn't really like this kind of exploit, but right now they're making the game better.

Pevil Lihatuh

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Yorkshire, UK

R/Me

10 Jun 2005 at 14:24 - 9

heh the only reason I dont mind is because these 'level 20's' will have next to no skills (either 'real' skills or character skills) due to not getting used to the character and so are easy to beat in pvp

lol. Good luck to them, they're not playing the game, not getting the full experience... well tough luck.

For people who do this on their 2nd/3rd/4th char howver I can see the attraction. After doing it all once through its pretty monotonous, with only the new skills for your new class to break the mould. But on your first char its pretty cheap

FengShuiBundi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Blue State

K A R M A

Mo/Me

10 Jun 2005 at 14:37 - 10

I ascended my first character the way A.Net wanted me to.

Now, I have a lvl 7 monk who has done dunes and is waiting for Elona and Thirsty.

I don't like playing fedex missions all over again to get the skills i need. Not worth it at all. Once I reach 20, I can easily do the skill quests, run to all the outposts I missed, and complete missions fast.

I can also respec into smiting for good farming times.

The people who are rushing are most likely in guilds very active in PvP. They need the skills to be competetive. Taking away this rushing ability forces us to play through the game numerous times just to get the skills we need, it's tedious and will cause a mass exodus of PvPers.

We really would't have to rush if A.Net allowed UAS for PvP. (Then we'd all just make Mo/Ws and farm the hell out of stuff until some moron posted it on the forums and got it nerfed)

The people who do it probobly don't care about playing random lvl 10 arenas to show off lvl 20 armor. They are more interested in getting those additional 17 skill points and loads of attrib. points right away.

If people rush just to get lvl 20 gear and good skills, then do lvl 10 arena, they are pretty pathetic. (Hopes nobody in my guild does this)

Kishin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

The Twilight Vanguard [TTV]

R/

10 Jun 2005 at 14:37 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedsia

Am I the only one who think tihs is totally wrong, cheesy and should be stopped? There's a reason there's a PVP template. If people want to be instant 20, there it is. Ya I get my own copy of the game each time I walk out of town, but it still sickens me to hear of these characters leeching their way to Ascenion trials at character levels as low as 3.

I did post a complaint about this to the GW support and was told to post on a forum, so here I am

Here's what I offically had to say:

As a PvE primarily player, I'm quite distressed by the fact many people have found a loophole to Ascending. I'm hearing of numerous reports of EXTREMELY low level characters, like lvl 3s being at Ascension trials. I'm also concerned that players are paying higher level characters to escourt them through Lornar's Pass to purchase level 20 armor at low levels.

Ascension is supposed to mean something. And it cheapens the game to have these loopholes. Can it be made so that you have to ACTUALLY Ascend to get to Droknars. Close the pass please. And it ruins the Pve enviroment that low levels are getting this stuff so early and benefitting from friends carrying them to the desert. Can there be a level requirement to Ascension trials, and check the entire party, not just the leader. People are slipping through by joining parties and leeching

Is this really asking too much. I mean, it really does cheapen the play in my opinion, to know that I spent hours going through the game as it was meant to be played and someone else can come along and just skip through it all and get the same benefit. Kinda takes the importance out of Ascenion in my opinion.

I'm willing to bet most (probably even all) these people have already been through the story at least once, if not more than once and are being hurried through by guildmates. If thats the case, I can completely understand why they'd want to rush through the game and get down to unlocking skills. Having to play through the game three or more times also kinda takes the importance out of Ascension, and frankly, doing the same quests over and over is bound to drive anyone mad.

Oh, and the PvP templates a) aren't terribly useful in PvP and b) Can't unlock anything.

salja Wachi

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Chicago

the Bleeding Edge

N/Mo

10 Jun 2005 at 14:47 - 12

OK here is the deal. I am one of those people who has ascended a low level character. not to cheat the game lol but because i have already finished the game with my first character. why should i be foreced to do all the mission 3 times so i can ascend all 3 of my characters?

that is the beauty of this game, it is not linear and you have tons of chioces as to how you want to make your character. by the way after ascension you go straight to level 20 and can warp back and get all the skills you missed out on. I do no understand how it is that you whould be able to dictate game play to others that have already done all the missions and quests on 1 character.

when and if you ever finish the game on one and want to do 2 more so you have all professions inlocked so you can make whatever PvP character you want to, i have a feelingyou will feel differently. and if not well then have fun doing all the missions and quests 3 times.

it is actually a challenge to see if you can get to dunes at a low level. i do not count on people to run me as i do it myself. it takes skill to get there this way. I could care less what others want to do with thei gameplay but i am not going to sit for hours and hours repeating mission i have alraedy done.

if yo do not like it then go to a more linear game where everyone has to do the same mission over and over and over.

now go and find something meaningful to post

Jedsia

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Savannah, GA

Knights of Oasis

Mo/E

10 Jun 2005 at 14:55 - 13

Just as a small reply, But I HAVE finished the game. Ascended and completed the Ring of Fire. So thats a large assumption that I'm whining because others found a loophole.

And I'm currently playing 2 other characters through, one on her Ascension trials and another in Maguma.

And it didnt take all that long, plus I dont have to go BACK and do things. Doing them in order, just seems....logical to me. And considering you can walk to places without missions, its not that much to ask I would think.

You can cross the Shiverpeaks without doing any of the missions and fighting your way through. But to instant zap from 3 to 20 just seems wrong to me.

No need to get hostile about it.

salja Wachi

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Chicago

the Bleeding Edge

N/Mo

10 Jun 2005 at 14:59 - 14

then that is your choice, have fun i however choose not to do the missions each 3 times. you have your way and i have mine that is the beauty of this game.

i will see you in augery at level 4

salja Wachi

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Chicago

the Bleeding Edge

N/Mo

10 Jun 2005 at 15:02 - 15

and one more thing to add. I am not getting hostile i just do not lie your arrogance in thinking you can dictate game play to others. if it is your choice to do all missions 3 times then go for it i will not complain that you are. but for you to try and gt Anet to make it so we all have to do it your way is arrogant and assinine.

if the "logic" is lost on you that we should not need to do it all over and over and over then i am sorry, but play your way and let others play theirs it has absolutely no effect on you wether i ascend at leve 3 or level 103 does it?

Jedsia

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Savannah, GA

Knights of Oasis

Mo/E

10 Jun 2005 at 15:10 - 16

I suppose Arena Net doesnt have to take the suggestion. Offering a suggestion doesnt make me arrogant I thought....

Not everyone plays for the PVP aspect.

Perhaps they could put in some other fix. Some other way. Rather then do all the missions allow for players to explore their way to 20.

But going 3 to 20 instantly, in any game, to me is just wrong.

I understand the "grind" of the missions. I understand that some people want to skip all that after going through once.

But the point I was trying to focus on was people going from 3 to 20 instantly. Having access to all the best skills, and armor with little to no work.

When it only takes a couple days or so to get to 20 anyway, what is the big deal with earning those levels. And if its to unlock all the skills for pvp, thats easy enough with one character. Ascended then do Heroes and unlock to your heart's content.

ArenaNet has already made this game so open and easy for so many people. Why is it such a hard thing to ask to earn those levels that arent so hard to get in the first place, when compared to other MMORPG's, that GW is trying to be different from.

CtrlAltDel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Ohio

Brotherhood of Havoc

Mo/Me

10 Jun 2005 at 15:12 - 17

ascend correctly once, and then after that i dont care how you ascend

salja Wachi

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Chicago

the Bleeding Edge

N/Mo

10 Jun 2005 at 15:21 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by CtrlAltDel

ascend correctly once, and then after that i dont care how you ascend

exactly my point. if Anet wants to make it so that you have to finish the game with 1 character before you can "run" your other characters through that is fine with me, however the idea have having to"level" your character over and over is not what this game is all abuot (hence you only have 20 levels)

and to your point you cna only unlock skill of your professions OF THAT PARITCULAR CHARACTER!!!.

you cannot finish the game then unlock all skills of all characters you ahve to make 2 more of the other 4 professions in ordoer to unlock them all. I do it for PvP and no other reason. i finished the game on my first character and did every mission and quest. if once is enough for me no one else should be bothered by it.

and yes trying to say it whould not be allowed is arrogant, saying your way is the only way it should be is arrongant.

I WILL SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME.

no one is whining that you do all the missions for your characters so stop whining about the way others want to play their secondary characters.

Jedsia

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Savannah, GA

Knights of Oasis

Mo/E

10 Jun 2005 at 15:28 - 19

You can change professions after Ascenion if you do Heroes quest, thus unlocking skills for every single class in the game with ONE character.

salja Wachi

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Chicago

the Bleeding Edge

N/Mo

10 Jun 2005 at 15:32 - 20

i am sorry to tell you that if you change professions you lose all the skills you unlocked for that profession.

in order to have all 6 professions you must have 3 characters. there is no other way my friend.

Jedsia

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Savannah, GA

Knights of Oasis

Mo/E

10 Jun 2005 at 15:34 - 21

You dont lose them. They become inactive. If you switch back, you regain them all back.

So if the purpose to Ascend at lvl 3 is to gain skills for PVP for different classes, it's kinda a longer route,....if you can just unlock everything with one character and simple go to the ghosts and ask to be put back to a certain class.

You can unlock all the skills and you keep them all, they just become inactive. Go back and reactivate a class and all your earned skills from that class will become available again.

I know this because my monk changed from Elem to ranger for a short time, trying it out, then went back to Elem and all my skills were back.

Seems much simpler than Ascending multiple characters for the purpose of unlocking skills from every profession. And takes away some of the argument you HAVE to grind missions to gain access to all professions.

So ArenaNet already made it so you only have to level one character. After that, you can make an instant level 20 PVP character and use all the skills and items you unlocked with your Roleplaying character.

Volarian

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Texas

NOT-Nomads Of Turmoil

10 Jun 2005 at 15:46 - 22

I think levels on armour similar to requirements with items is superb idea - then there wouldnt be anyone ascending at level 3, or being lvl 10 in arenas with lvl 20's cause they'd get pwnd for lack of skills, protection & ability to do dmg.
The ready-made lvl 20 PvP character (IMO) is a design to pit - skill/strategy against skill/strategy and therefore you HAVE everything you need from the start. The PvE is to experience the storyline, adventure and actually lift a finger to gain what the game/world has to offer.
Why do sooo many people only care about INTSTANT gratification.....??? w/e

asdar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

10 Jun 2005 at 15:46 - 23

First off, who cares what someone else does in PvE, it's not you against them unless you choose that approach. Enjoy the game.

Secondly however I think the original poster reveals a legitimate kernal of crisis.

I loved the 10 and under Ascalon arena. It gave me a chance to mess up and learn PvP with my real PvE character. On my second character I go into the arena and I have yet to go a round without someone on one of the two teams wearing Draknar's armor.

Even with my original character I'd often see players with max damage swords but I just brushed that off as skill in the gold side of the game. Draknars armor is Not someone that knows how to garner gold and trade for the best gear. They had to be run through Lornars.

That's the real crime. If players want to rush through the game and it only affects themselves I don't care. I don't care if you get a cheat code to get through either as long as it doesn't affect my play.

When you're cheating other players in the lower arena's however that's another story and should be addressed by ANet.

Juhanah

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

in my house

10 Jun 2005 at 15:48 - 24

How in anyway it affect your game that someone ascend at lv3? They are not stoping you from playing or anything. The only reason i would see why it could piss off someone to see people ascend at lv3, is because they also want to do it but are unable to.

It's not like he botted/leached his way to lv999. Not like he's getting any benefit over all other because he ascended with a lv3 character. It's not like you're paying $15/months for 10 years to get to lv2 while he get to lv20 in a week.

If he managed to beat his mirror at lv3, good for him. I probably couldn't and i don't care at all. It wont stop me from playing the game and having fun doing so. It's not like i'm gonna say "OMG! I worked so hard to ascend and this guy just have people run him through the whole game at lv3!!".. This is not a job, it's a game.

How does it cheapen the game? And what you say about closing Lornar's Pass make no sense. How can it ruins the PvE environement? Have you even tried to reach Droknar's Forge from Lornar's Pass?

All i see in your post is jealousy. It's like "If i can't do it then nobody else should" which is very selfish and this is the kind of thinking that would ruin the game in my opinion.

Edit:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedsia

Is this really asking too much. I mean, it really does cheapen the play in my opinion, to know that I spent hours going through the game as it was meant to be played and someone else can come along and just skip through it all and get the same benefit. Kinda takes the importance out of Ascenion in my opinion.

Game:

Quote:

Originally Posted by http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=game

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Work:

Quote:

Originally Posted by http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=work

Physical or mental effort or activity directed toward the production or accomplishment of something.

If only people would stop thinking a game is somekind of job that they have to work through..

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

10 Jun 2005 at 15:49 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juhanah

How in anyway it affect your game that someone ascend at lv3? They are not stoping you from playing or anything. The only reason i would see why it could piss off someone to see people ascend at lv3, is because they also want to do it but are unable to.

It's not like he botted/leached his way to lv999. Not like he's getting any benefit over all other because he ascended with a lv3 character. It's not like you're paying $15/months for 10 years to get to lv2 while he get to lv20 in a week.

If he managed to beat his mirror at lv3, good for him. I probably couldn't and i don't care at all. It wont stop me from playing the game and having fun doing so. It's not like i'm gonna say "OMG! I worked so hard to ascend and this guy just have people run him through the whole game at lv3!!".. This is not a job, it's a game.

How does it cheapen the game? And what you say about closing Lornar's Pass make no sense. How can it ruins the PvE environement? Have you even tried to reach Droknar's Forge from Lornar's Pass?

All i see in your post is jealousy. It's like "If i can't do it then nobody else should" which is very selfish and this is the kind of thinking that would ruin the game in my opinion.

what he said.

you've got mental issues if you give a shit about what other people are doing in the game....atleast if you care enough to take the time out of your day to post about it.

Jedsia

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Savannah, GA

Knights of Oasis

Mo/E

10 Jun 2005 at 15:58 - 26

How did this go from a disccussion to a flame?

No, I'm not jealous of those who can get to Ascension at level 3.

I'd rather see level requirements on armors than close the pass, since it is a tough journey and low levels still manage to make it with high level escourts.

So a level requirement would be much more reasonable. I dont think once I've been unreasonable about this. Nor close minded. Thoroughout the discussion, suggestions have been made.

And I'm the one being called arrogant and other names and being flamed. When this was a dicussion on how to make the game more balanced and fair overall.

Judas Hawksriff

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Guardians Of Gwen

W/R

10 Jun 2005 at 15:59 - 27

Agree completly!
I went to searing with my lvl7 N/Me - only to be partied up with a lvl3 R/E and two lvl2 W/R ... needless to say - we got pwned!

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

10 Jun 2005 at 16:01 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedsia

How did this go from a disccussion to a flame?

No, I'm not jealous of those who can get to Ascension at level 3.

I'd rather see level requirements on armors than close the pass, since it is a tough journey and low levels still manage to make it with high level escourts.

So a level requirement would be much more reasonable. I dont think once I've been unreasonable about this. Nor close minded. Thoroughout the discussion, suggestions have been made.

And I'm the one being called arrogant and other names and being flamed. When this was a dicussion on how to make the game more balanced and fair overall.

because it doesn't effect your game at all....there's no reason to care.

Jedsia

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Savannah, GA

Knights of Oasis

Mo/E

10 Jun 2005 at 16:05 - 29

There's a difference between constructive posting and replies and just name calling with little input other than calling me an arrogant mental case.

Personally, I'd prefer to see constructive suggestions. Not attacks on me because of a suggestion.

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

10 Jun 2005 at 16:06 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedsia

There's a difference between constructive posting and replies and just name calling with little input other than calling me an arrogant mental case.

Personally, I'd prefer to see constructive suggestions. Not attacks on me because of a suggestion.

THERE IS NO REASON TO MAKE THE SUGGESTION...IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU!

Moskel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

San Antonio, TX

Xen of Onslaught [XoO] - www.xoohq.com

W/E

10 Jun 2005 at 16:10 - 31

There is a lot more to this game than levels. If a L3 is ascending we're looking at a very absolute extreme. It is hard to make it to the desert and not be higher level than that by accident.

My most recent character through has skipped almost all of the missions? Why? Because I've done them countless times with my first 2 (the times they did it and all the times I helped pull guild mates through that were stuck).

Would you join a PuG led by a L13 R/Me at Elona? Those that did last night sure were glad, we finished with around 11 minutes left on the timer and had only 2 deaths the whole run (one little SNAFU with a bridge and a bunch of Forgotten on it and a Sage hiding).

After the Elona PuG we ran down to Dunes to open that up, who was the one who survived and zoned in? The L13 ranger (you don't wanna know how many times I've run guildies through the desert) thanks to a very timely Res Signet use as we entered the final Canyon and a Forgotton Bow got a nasty critical

Everyone else died shortlly after that and I finished the rest of canyon run.

DarrenJasper

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

10 Jun 2005 at 16:11 - 32

From your original post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedsia

And it ruins the Pve enviroment that low levels are getting this stuff so early and benefitting from friends carrying them to the desert.

How, exactly?

This is the question everyone is asking, could we have an answer please?

LoneDust

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

10 Jun 2005 at 16:24 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrenJasper

How, exactly?

Obviously, those who are not in a guild or has no in-game friends feel that they are not loved, and hence their PvE experience is ruined!
/sarcasm

I don't see how this is a big deal at all. The only problem would be the armor difference in lowbie pvp arena. However, the lowbie arena itself doesn't have a leveled playing field anyway (attribute points, weapons damage for example).

Jedsia

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Savannah, GA

Knights of Oasis

Mo/E

10 Jun 2005 at 16:24 - 34

Ok, perhaps it effects PVP much more than PvE, though having the high level stuff on lower levels can impact PVE if you like to group with random people.

Just because it doesnt always directly affect me doesnt mean I cant make a suggestion about gameplay. And if ArenaNet doesnt change it, oh well, I wont lose sleep. I won't quit the game because "they suck".

I'll just go on playing. But part of this game is the idea that ArenaNet says they want input from the players and that was input. I just dont see why it has to become a hostile enviroment to make suggestions and discuss.

And yes, it's just a game. Anyway, the thought was put out there. What they do with it, is up to them. I'm certainly not going to lose sleep over justifying what I feel to be reasonable concerns.

Rothgar

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

10 Jun 2005 at 16:27 - 35

Holy crap, this fourm is really getting crowed by @$$hats. And I'll risk the conquecenes for cursing if its necessary to say it.

Jedsia had a ligitimate suggestion/discussion topic and we've got a whole bunch of loosers attacking the guy, not discuessing the issue.

And yes, the Ascension at level 3 effects everyone in the game, and if you can't see why, its pretty obvious, get a clue.

Personally I have not yet formed an opinion on this yet, and I'd would have really like someone with more then 2 braincells debating both sides of the issues with ligit arguments and informed opionions.

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

10 Jun 2005 at 16:29 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rothgar

Holy crap, this fourm is really getting crowed by @$$hats. And I'll risk the conquecenes for cursing if its necessary to say it.

Jedsia had a ligitimate suggestion/discussion topic and we've got a whole bunch of loosers attacking the guy, not discuessing the issue.

And yes, the Ascension at level 3 effects everyone in the game, and if you can't see why, its pretty obvious, get a clue.

Personally I have not yet formed an opinion on this yet, and I'd would have really like someone with more then 2 braincells debating both sides of the issues with ligit arguments and informed opionions.

no....

asdar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

10 Jun 2005 at 16:32 - 37

I hope it didn't sound like I was flaming you Jedsia. I didn't mean to and realize upon re-reading my post it may have sounded like it.

I do think that the low level arena is the only real problem with this whole power levelling thing. That's not so much about ascension however and more about the Lornar's run and over twinking low level char's and playing in the arena with an unfair advantage.

I've done the Lornars group the hard way at level 17 and made it through fighting and anyone that could take a level 3 and make it that way I don't have all that much of a problem with, although I still don't think it's fair to go to the 10 arena with it.

Lornar's groups that take a low level char don't usually win through. One character, usually a war/Mo runs through. I won't share how this is done but I was the biggest skeptic until I saw it with my own two eyes.

DarrenJasper

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10 Jun 2005 at 16:33 - 38

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Originally Posted by Jedsia

Ok, perhaps it effects PVP much more than PvE, though having the high level stuff on lower levels can impact PVE if you like to group with random people.

Just because it doesnt always directly affect me doesnt mean I cant make a suggestion about gameplay. And if ArenaNet doesnt change it, oh well, I wont lose sleep. I won't quit the game because "they suck".

I'll just go on playing. But part of this game is the idea that ArenaNet says they want input from the players and that was input. I just dont see why it has to become a hostile enviroment to make suggestions and discuss.

And yes, it's just a game. Anyway, the thought was put out there. What they do with it, is up to them. I'm certainly not going to lose sleep over justifying what I feel to be reasonable concerns.

People are getting perturbed because it very much sounds like you're trying to limit the way some people play their game, without really any valid reason to do so since, as you've admitted, it doesn't affect you. They figure, if it's not hurting anyone why are you so up in arms about having it stopped? And I'd tend to agree. I think if you go back and read over your original post you will agree your tone sounded pretty demanding.

As a PvP player, I could give a damn whether my opponent spent hours punching out idiot AI with idiotic PUGs or braindead henchmen. I completely understand the desire to skip all that claptrap if all you want to do is PvP.

I think you'll find people react with hostility when they feel like you're just trying to impose your own system of morals onto other people's game, and I don't think it was out of line to call you arrogant for it. If it's not hurting you in any concievable way, you really have no right to demand it be changed.

Icarium

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10 Jun 2005 at 16:39 - 39

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Originally Posted by Rothgar

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And yes, the Ascension at level 3 effects everyone in the game, and if you can't see why, its pretty obvious, get a clue.

Then help me out, if i ascend at lvl 3 , how does it affect your game play? how do you even know that i have? , what if anything, does it change for you? i mean OTHER than " its so unfair " or whatever . . . i have not seen anybody explain why other than "they" feel cheated it shouldnt be allowed. keep in mind this isnt a flame, i HONESTLY want to know.

asdar

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10 Jun 2005 at 16:44 - 40

Jedsia you have a good point about wanting legitimate low level groups. It's not the same doing the Ashes quest with someone wearing Draknars and carrying a max damage sword.

Ascension isn't really the problem in that way because once a character ascends they're level 20. Lornars still might be.

If anything ascension improves that situation because it'll keep the twinked alts (2nd char's with hand-me-down awesome gear) from levelling with normal Pick up Groups.