While doing quests in Underworld, a gold max storm bow dropped for me. I died quickly after I saw it dropped. There was only one person left alive. This person waited around for about 5 minutes, then picked up my bow and proceeded to rez one of the monks.
I'm doubtful anything can be done about this, but I felt like letting everyone know just how pathetic people can be sometimes. I really want this person to be banned, although I guess it is pretty unlikely anything can be done. I took a couple screenshots, one with the person standing next to the bow while it said that it still belonged to me, and one with the text saying he had picked it up. The user name was Liela Eolithic of guild [RR], playing a R/Mo. Any comments or suggestions?
Stolen drops... Can anything be done?
MechaStyle
Masut
That would absolutely Beep me off. Something really should be done.
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MechaStyle
I suggest that they just never let non-quest items become public...
King of Fools
i agree with mechastyle
Divinus
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Beep like that make me really HATE pugs.
Elena
woah thats mean if i was in that situation i probably would of unleased the Spell of Thousand swears lol but yea guess there always will be mean people like that and i must agree with yust not making drops change into public other than quest items this way those people will be sacked and all they can do is beg to give it too you (still annoying but easier to deal with since you got the item ^^ )
sojen
Wow, maybe you guys just met the worse of the worse players perhaps?? From my experience, I died, had a purple drop turned public, someone took it. Then later I said it was originally mine, so he checked back the message log, confirmed it and returned it to me. There are some nice guys out there. =)
Shandoo Bilari
One of our Ele's left our UW grp last night and gave the defacto leader 80k to split with the group since he needed to go guild pvp and felt guilty, needless to say the kid bounced with all the cash. I saw it coming so I just shruged it off, but boy did the rest of the group erupt.
arnansnow
The only time I have picked up items that weren't mine, where when the entire group was alive, and the person whose item it was, didn't pick it up at all. Then I consider it fair to pick it up, instead of having it go to waste.
bringer di morte
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~Bringer [RU]
Darkest Dawn
My party had died, and the dude with res, the only guy left alive, refused to res the monk unless he gave up a purple armor drop. He told us he had all day, and proceeded to wait us out into saying yes. Then left us high and dry.
Had another situation where all but two party members dies, so three of them just left because they figured we'ld all be dead soon. Ha! I resed one, a monk, and they rezed the other and us three fought hard and made it most of the way through the mission that gets us to Sanctum Cay. It's a pity. Had they stuck around we would've won.
Had another situation where all but two party members dies, so three of them just left because they figured we'ld all be dead soon. Ha! I resed one, a monk, and they rezed the other and us three fought hard and made it most of the way through the mission that gets us to Sanctum Cay. It's a pity. Had they stuck around we would've won.
Algren Cole
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there are alot of times that people just don't want to pick up crafting materials or white items....hell I've even seen people say screw it to blue drops. But Purples and Gold should never go public....they should ALWAYS be reserved for the person it dropped for, unless they leave the party...at which point the drop would become public property.
arnansnow
If they make them always private, there are still ways to blackmail people to give you that item.
But making them private is a good idea.
But making them private is a good idea.
danfrancisdo
You died silly. How can you get mad at that? You are lucky he waited 5 minutes.
Algren Cole
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You died silly. How can you get mad at that? You are lucky he waited 5 minutes.
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so once the character dies, according to you, it's ok for someone in your party to steal your drops??
arnansnow
Someone dieing and then you blackmailing them to get their item is probably (and if not should be) against GW rules.
hassoon
There are always lowlife scumbags in any game same as rl,making the loot private and unable to be looted by anyone else for the entire mission is the way to go.If a person leaves or disconnected well thats a whole other ball game.Also make sure your friends guild any anyone else who will listen knows. If the trash can't get a group he can't steal.Far as i am concerened he should be banned.
Konquest
What should be done is that the timer that counts the 5 minutes right now should not work when you die. If you are dead, the item should remain private, then once you are alive again, the timer starts to tick again...
Either way, there will always be some kind of abuse... :/
Either way, there will always be some kind of abuse... :/
arnansnow
There can never be a system that can't be abused.
If you make it, they will abuse it.
If you make it, they will abuse it.
elenna
I saw this happen in a group I was in. I was pissed for the other player. I was running up to rez player1 (the group separated). Right when I got there a purple item next to player1, reserved for player1, became public. Player2, who was standing next to player1's body the whole time, picked it up. Player1 started saying "give that back" and such but player2 ignored him and left the group.
That's the first time I ever saw that happen. It really pissed me off.
That's the first time I ever saw that happen. It really pissed me off.
What Now Homie
Wow, having something like that would really piss me off! Even though, I have to admit that a few days ago when I was helping a friend do the dragons lair mission, one of our party members decided to take a free mission ride and just leave their comp for us to do the work. About 10-15 minutes into the mission, a rare max dmg hammer drops for this person. I waited around about 3 minutes and then picked it up. But, to me this seems certainly fair because this person just left his/her comp leaving us to do the mission. We did complete the mission, and this person got his/her free 1k exp.... but not his/her rare hammer 
... BTW.. it was a +17% damage to dwarfs x_x
... BTW.. it was a +17% damage to dwarfs x_x
Seth Oriath
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You died silly. How can you get mad at that? You are lucky he waited 5 minutes.
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Hell, if I was still ALIVE, left a drop so I could HELP MY TEAM like I'm supposed to, and then turn around when we're done to see a teammate picking up my drop, do you think I'd be pissed? Would you?
danfrancisdo
Its not stealing, you died. Think about it. A dead person cannot own anything. Why do you think the developers made it possible for the item to be "public"
Kuku Monk
Best thing you can do is join or create your own guild and play with people you know and trust. Otherwise you'll run into the crap that you did and have no recourse...
danfrancisdo
I would be pissed. But not at the person that acquired the item. You guys need to grow up.
arnansnow
The developers made it so items went public, so that if someone didn't want that item, he could just leave it and someone else could get it.
They didn't make it so you could abuse it.
They didn't make it so you could abuse it.
danfrancisdo
If so, why wouldn't they make a pop up window ask if they would like it public say after 3 minutes or so?
elenna
I think the developers were thinking that if an item isn't picked up by a certain time after the drop that the player doesn't want it. I don't think they thought about when someone dies.
Diing and being unable to pick up your drop is completely different from just deciding not to pick it up.
I agree with Konquest that the countdown to becoming public should stop when the player the item is reserved for dies.
Diing and being unable to pick up your drop is completely different from just deciding not to pick it up.
I agree with Konquest that the countdown to becoming public should stop when the player the item is reserved for dies.
arnansnow
Because there is no reason to have that. It would be annoying to have that pop up, especially if you didn't pick up multiple items in a row and they popped up one after another.
Algren Cole
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Its not stealing, you died. Think about it. A dead person cannot own anything. Why do you think the developers made it possible for the item to be "public"
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you're one of those players that sees a rare drop in the middle of a mob battle and runs half way across the screen to go pick it up...leaving the rest of your team high and dry so you can get your drop....aren't you?
Seth Oriath
Somebody didn't read all of my post.
Death isn't the problem here. People can steal drops without you being dead; happened quite a few times during some of the missions I took.
Death just complicated things. And besides, if you wanted death to mean you don't own anything anymore, why not have all of your belongings just strown out the second you die for anyone to loot from. Like that idea? How everything you worked for is just gone because you died?
Oh wait, what about res?
You say you'd be pissed, but you're contradicting yourself time and time again. I can't even believe you're condoning the action. You're just as horrible as the person that stole the drop.
Death isn't the problem here. People can steal drops without you being dead; happened quite a few times during some of the missions I took.
Death just complicated things. And besides, if you wanted death to mean you don't own anything anymore, why not have all of your belongings just strown out the second you die for anyone to loot from. Like that idea? How everything you worked for is just gone because you died?
Oh wait, what about res?
You say you'd be pissed, but you're contradicting yourself time and time again. I can't even believe you're condoning the action. You're just as horrible as the person that stole the drop.
Darkest Dawn
Yes, death in game is different since there are res skills and signets. Heck in some tough missions most everyone takes a turn at dying. So I won't touch something that wasn't mine unless we backtrack and they don't want it, or leave the game.
I have been known to announce to that person that they got a purple or gold drop, just so they don't miss it!
I have been known to announce to that person that they got a purple or gold drop, just so they don't miss it!
Night
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You died silly. How can you get mad at that? You are lucky he waited 5 minutes.
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Personally I wish at the end of the 5 minutes some type of message comes up and says "Do you wish to get said item?" (pick the message I am just throwing something out. Plus it would only refer to blues, purples, and gold items. White items would still fall under the old method of after 5 minutes any ones game. If not then at least as some alluded to earlier, the timer only counts towards live time).
Spartan2
I had a good experience with this. On my first purple drop while playing back at Ascalon, the whole party except for one warrior died. He had already used his res sig for a monk or didn't have one, I do not remember, but he waited around to pick up the bow and give it me after he ran off to die so we could try again. That experience made me feel better about the community...until I turned public chat back on..... /doh
danfrancisdo, roleplaying-wise - a dead person cannot own anything, but this is a game and since you can resurrected and your character will live on no matter what, the items assigned to your character by luck of the drop should persistently stay assigned to you no matter what extenuating circumstance arises. This may be harder for the designers to program but the easiest way may be for each person to have a "lock-drops" feature which enables them to keep the rarity of their drops hidden from the group, unless deemed otherwise by the player, and keeps the items from defaulting to public if they are above a user set level.
So, I could set my "lock-drop level" to Purple and Gold only. Blue and White items show up as normal but Purple and Gold would show up as White and Blue to all others in my party. I guess this could be an extremely customizable feature but it may just be more hassle than it could be a relief. There will always be griefers no matter where you go and what you do, but hopefully they will do something that goes against the RoC, in addition to being jerks, that will get them permanently banned from GuildWars
danfrancisdo, roleplaying-wise - a dead person cannot own anything, but this is a game and since you can resurrected and your character will live on no matter what, the items assigned to your character by luck of the drop should persistently stay assigned to you no matter what extenuating circumstance arises. This may be harder for the designers to program but the easiest way may be for each person to have a "lock-drops" feature which enables them to keep the rarity of their drops hidden from the group, unless deemed otherwise by the player, and keeps the items from defaulting to public if they are above a user set level.
So, I could set my "lock-drop level" to Purple and Gold only. Blue and White items show up as normal but Purple and Gold would show up as White and Blue to all others in my party. I guess this could be an extremely customizable feature but it may just be more hassle than it could be a relief. There will always be griefers no matter where you go and what you do, but hopefully they will do something that goes against the RoC, in addition to being jerks, that will get them permanently banned from GuildWars
Maelindar
I think everyone agrees that stealing items is a bad thing. It is clearly a somebody exploiting the system. Danfrancisdo is just trolling. The 5 outrageous responses on this topic are the only posts he has made. He just wants to stir up trouble.
drowningfish999
Although I've never experienced losing an item to a different player, it has worried me a number of times, especially when killing enemies on the other side of gate. I think it should work that items still have a 5 minute countdown, but if you see a rare drop, you can left/right click on it and choose "reserve" or something. That makes the item never go public, therefore saving it for you. This eliminates pop-ups or message boxes asking about your items, and it keeps them safe from thieves.
KrisTof
Once, I was the only surviving monk in a party in fissure, everyone else laid down around monsters and it took a good 5mn for me to find a safe path and rebirth everyone. In the middle was a purple drop for me, which of course turned white in the process... Sure enough, I rebirthed a few until this elem guys as soon as I got him back, run to the drop and pick it up. This guy just kept saying tough luck, it was white.
I surely was pissed about it and asked the others not to heal or rez him anymore. Sure enough at the next encounter, he remained dead, even proposing to give me back the drop, which of course I refused. He still got his 5,000xp but it was probably so boring to wait the next 10mns laying dead that he dropped out swearing at us before he left.
I didn't get my drop but just seeing all his constant pleas for life made us all feel so good and teasing was at his high... "Just use that drop to rez yourself, etc..."
Now I don't care that much about that drop, it's just a game and he probably just got a minor out of it... He since is on my ignore list of course
PS: I still agree purple and gold drop should remain reserved forever to their owner...
I surely was pissed about it and asked the others not to heal or rez him anymore. Sure enough at the next encounter, he remained dead, even proposing to give me back the drop, which of course I refused. He still got his 5,000xp but it was probably so boring to wait the next 10mns laying dead that he dropped out swearing at us before he left.
I didn't get my drop but just seeing all his constant pleas for life made us all feel so good and teasing was at his high... "Just use that drop to rez yourself, etc..."
Now I don't care that much about that drop, it's just a game and he probably just got a minor out of it... He since is on my ignore list of course
PS: I still agree purple and gold drop should remain reserved forever to their owner...
Volarian
The only way you can keep this from happening in the future is to pick up the drops you know you want.....during battle. This may go against your view of "team play", but take notice that most people snatch drops up all through a fight.
I too usually wait until battle is over, then survey the ground by holding down the ALT key and doing a 360. I've been lucky to have not died and have someone grief me in this way but I can tell you that if I see purple/gold while fighting.......I do make sure to either stay alive or if that's in danger....I pick my item up.
Diqueheads like you described, should be banned, if not for violating Anet guidelines than for just being a pure piece of crap person.
I too usually wait until battle is over, then survey the ground by holding down the ALT key and doing a 360. I've been lucky to have not died and have someone grief me in this way but I can tell you that if I see purple/gold while fighting.......I do make sure to either stay alive or if that's in danger....I pick my item up.
Diqueheads like you described, should be banned, if not for violating Anet guidelines than for just being a pure piece of crap person.
midnyte13
youre dead....is there a rule about drops after a party member dies?,,,,what i mean is do you all have a job briefing befor going in ...or do you just assume that everyone is on the same page?...
perfect
To solve this all that needs to be done is make the public countdown timer only start after you have moved a certain distance away, say 50 meters. That way you obviously didnt want (or didnt see) the item and are off on your way down the trail leaving it behind.