Recently switched to European servers

Was it on a weekday though? They may have all been in school. Europeans don't get summer break as early as we do, or as long.

Wrong, we on then.

And I know because a few days ago I seen my first penis map drawings, also the decay of "quality" is noticible but things are more organized ...when I made a new character I seen a guild taking members on pre-searing.

10:12pm GMT -5 | 3:12am in London
Less Legolases and more original names - CONFIRMED

11:15pm GMT -5 | 4:15am in London
An hour spent in Droknars speaking with the players.
All around nicer at this time - CONFIRMED

Yea but three or four A.M. in the morning? I'm pretty sure that if there are any immature children on the European servers, they won't be online at that time. Their bedtime probably occurred hours ago.

If you want an environment where there are original names you have never seen and none of the people are rude, go to the Korean servers. It's not rude if you can't understand it.

I spent about a week on the american server and moved back to the european, much nicer server to play on to say the least.

Good point! It's not rude if you can't understand their language.

English is not the only language on european server. If I'm not mistaken, the majority of european players are from Germany, Poland, Spain, and maybe Denmark. The ones that can speak English as well as their primary language are most likely mature players.

As European I can say it really depends on the time you log on to our servers. I was on vacation last week so I got to play in the afternoon and it was (is) horrible. Female avatars (I bet 99% of them are 13-year-old males) dancing naked (as far as that's possible in GW ) typing about how they want to f... etc. Other players offering to strip for money, a lot of scammers (selling white mantle emblems as means to be able to change the appearance of your cape) and overall immature behaviour.

I'm from Austria, thus German speaking (although I like English more and I think I'm not too bad at it ) and I'm playing in the German districts. The problem with those is - there is no language filter for German. We can use ALL slurs we can imagine, they'll never get filtered. Lots of players use very immature names (as I said, no name filters, so sl*t is possible in it's German translation etc.) and of course all those kiddies don't have any skill. Most of them are W/Mo and think they can survive on their own rushing towards any mob as soon as they see the red dot. Tactics? I think they never heard about it

Still I wouldn't want to change to the English districts, simply because I like to have guildmates and players to speak my mother tongue. It's far more convenient on TS or in the chat. As I'm working most of the time, I'm online from 6pm onwards and it gets definitely better then. Best time is late at night where most of the players are 18 and over and I've found most of the people on my friendslist at that time. The skill also increases the later you play I had two wonderful groups not long ago on Thirsty and Elona (both done on the first try without any casualties, everyone listening and responding to "orders", everyone waiting for energy refill etc.) so people know about tactics if you choose the right ones.

To conclude my long rant - I don't think European servers are better in general. But they may be better for American adults who want to play with a more mature audience simply because of the time difference. So when you log on after work at 6pm ET, that's midnight over here and way beyond the playing time of our youth. That's why you get to play with the mature players who understand tactics and teamplay better and are .. well more mature.

PS: Concerning the poster who was surprised about guilds taking members pre-searing - is that so uncommon on the US servers? Quite honestly, I love to search for future members pre-searing. Anybody who is willing to talk to you there, who joins up with you for a tryout quest, seems to be more commited to playing in a team. When everybody soloes the tutorial, how should they know about teamwork? I found out it is far better to help somebody from the beginning - because he will A) be very thankful and thus is more likely to stay with you and B) because you can "shape" him much more towards your guild tactics and playing style. Two of our core players were bloody n00bs when I first met them and now they love the guild and playing together with us. On how to recruit - sometimes I make ONE call in the local chat (not ten in a row like others, I'd never join such a guild if I was searching for one, so I refrain from doing that - I sincerely hope my call is good enough to win over anybody really interested in it) and sometimes I just whisper to people without guilds but with interesting and unique names that sound like the player has some brain and maturity. I'll also never just invite somebody, a practice I have often seen and I would also never accept if I was still searching for a guild.

What the heck? A Whopper has meat, cheese, vegetables and grain. The average beer is a source of protein with hops and barley, plus depending on the make, they use pure filtered water. It don't get much more balanced than that.

Heh, but to keep this on track, if I play 12AM-4AM EST, that would make the time in England... what? 5AM-9AM, right? Can I really expect a fair number of people over there at that time? In the North American districts, it's packed.

Nice, a 14 year old who knows specifically that the degree of generation neglect in Europe is less than America.


Have you been to Europe lately?

Yes, thank God you have the right to bash your own country in which you live as a "student" and prosper.

I also have the same right to express my disdain for you and your glib criticisms of the country in which I also live and prosper in.

Actually, the degree of generation neglect in Europe is almost zero, because we leave the current generation wholly to the caring hands of American Culture

I can't see much of an European effort in either developing or publishing Guild Wars, after all

That is odd, every time we see American Groups in the Tomb they die quite fast and in the end it's mostly Euro vs Korean who are left. But that might also be because of the Timezones, remember when you are on there aren't many Euros on anymore, because it's night time for us.

In general I think they are indeed a lot more mature players in Europe, but that is because parents in Europe are kinda sceptical of the internet and online games, not to mention that these games are very expensive here, so less kids are able to play these games.

Oh well, welcome to the Euro Datacenter and I hope you get enough people to play with in those graveyard shift times.

Europe doesn't tend to produce many MMORPG's because there has never really been a history of tabletop gaming compared to America, or the public acceptance of MMORPG's like Korea. When Europeans do make MMORPG's they tend to be quite specialised (see Eve Online f.ex) as they don't have a lot of the baggage of having to beat UO, WoW etc.

Its also the case that instead of having to recreate Tolkien landscapes on a PC, we can just go visit Wales....or if we want to mess around inside a castle, we can go visit one...

Eh, I don't think of my playtimes as graveyard shift times. As a matter of fact, I am European. (At least last time I checked, you never know with the constant bitching about the European Union where we end up one day). I just switched to the American Realm for a few days. And it is true, that American teams, are generally much less of a challenge in Tombs, whereas Korean teams can be a real pain in the ass. But as you already said, one of the reasons for that is the different time zones everyone is playing in (although American Districts are usually more crowded than European Districts, even if it's currently European peak time).

Anyway, what I really wanted to point out is that I don't think of the game as being expensive here in Europe. At least if you're talking about Western Europe, where, no matter what politicians & industry bosses want to make you believe, there is still alot more money available to the average family than almost everywhere else on the world.

Good point Just look at all the Americans running around at every time of the year in Neuschwanstein, when everyone here just thinks 'oh no, not another castle, I've already seen half a dozen of them this year'. I'm always a bit suspicious and wait for one of them to remark that whoever built that castle obviously stole the idea from Disney

Actually, I prefer ruins much more, but the perfect place to visit those are the British Isles, and I don't get to visit those all too often.

Exactly... But you gotta to ignore the few Americans who always think that the grass is greener on the other side. To those few americans, all I can say is that it is amusing to you calling yourself "mature" and starting threads like these without thinking.

Who are you referring to? I am confused.

The person who started this thread. He or she made generalizations without thinking.

Hm. Or you could, y'know, READ the original post. All it says is: "I went on the Euro servers. They seem to be a better gameplay experience than the American servers." That's not a generalization, it's an anecdote based on personal experience. It's only afterward that we started seeing facile generalizations about how Americans can't raise their children or what have you. Frankly, I'm intrigued, and I'm gonna shift to the Euro servers to see if I have the same experience. If I do, great. If not, so be it.

edit: Well, other than that bit about Europeans being less primal, or whatever. That's kinda silly.

Well... you've just edited your post after reading this.

I've ran with both european and american guild groups in Tombs (and held the hall while with european group too!)

On the general skill level Europe & American guilds are comparable. I couldn't really tell how well their coordination is cuz I ran with a Finnish group. (didn't bother getting on their Vent server cuz I wouldn't understand anyway) So on the whole I believe the European players are getting much better.

I think you missed my gist, I said theory, not a stated fact. Besides, this is my own theory and not one I wish to push onto others. I even clearly stated I didn't mean to over-generalize or generalize at all, with my text being theory-based only.

What I meant by primal is mainly their defense mechanisms, and how they respond so hastily toward feeling threatened, much like you have, hydrak. You didn't notice how I said I didn't mean to generalize or that I said these were some things to be considered in my own mind.

Yeah, it IS a stupid assertion, but it's also not the main point of the post, and doesn't invalidate the idea that hopping onto another server may lead to a different gameplay experience.

If it makes you feel any better, most logical people with half a brain - especially those who have.. y'know... actually MET an American once or twice - recognize that, like any other country, the US has its fair share of wonderful people and complete idiots.

*flamebait suit on*

Of course, when a good number of those complete idiots are sitting in the hallowed halls of your government, you can't help but expect people to draw the wrong conclusions

I think you seriously underestimate the amount of sheer anti-American hatred there is in the world. If I were American, I too would be a little sick of everybody assuming my country is full of nothing but gun-toting, biblethumpers with no concept of the world outside. Defensive reactions don't occur in a vacuum.

I'll repeat it again for new joiners in the thread who've missed it. I do not doubt the existance of many fantastic Americans. But it seems that for every one great person I meet, 3 more call me a stupid canadian then proceed in making fun of my pet beaver, Jimmy, my 3 storey igloo with internet access and mispronouce Touque.

I'm European-born, mostly Canadian-raised. I've lived in 4 countries, and I travel a LOT. I've gotten the same "So do you have polar bears roaming Toronto?" thing from Americans, French, Germans and plenty of other people. Believe me, stupidity is by no means an American problem - in fact, it's probably the one thing ALL people all over the world have in common

But for some reason their hilarity just seems bland, like they're assuming the unprobable for kicks or to see how you respond to idiocity. Some people use tactics like that in forum arguments, take Playful Kitty for one, who's dynasty is koput, and good riddance to that! *breaks out a pint*

Sometimes it takes scorning to get people to open their eyes. And no, I am not scorning our country. I am scorning the people who are responsible for this problem. I'l give you an example. Gamefaqs.com recently had a poll that asked whether or not your parents were careful about what you played. Do you know what the results were? Over 80% picked 'they don't care'. THAT is why America is the way it is today. And that is why I said what I said. And I mean every word of it.

That is becuase 75% of of us are. And that needs to change.

Ah exactly. Let's start a revolution.

Sometimes I want to slap my fellow Americans.

Today in the random arena, there was this guy who's character name was something like "AFK guy" (I changed the name from the original) and he'd just join and then sit there for the entire round. I ran into him multiple times, so he was clearly NOT afk since he had to be clicking on "enter mission".

Then again, there are some pretty cool players too, so it's hard to say. Like other posters were suggesting, perhaps the tightness of the community might have to do with the fact that it's less populated overall. Plus, if you're an American playing on a European server the hours are different too so you might be playing when their teens are in school.

IMO, Americans need a sense of humility. The way I view American districts are people thinking its fine to make screen names like "Sir nigs a lot" and I slayj ews"

Ah, yes. The smug and pompous strike again. Yes, yes, Europeans are so far superior to Americans, and rarely miss an opportunity to point that out in that clever, dry-wit, mean-spirited manner of which they are, oddly, so proud. Of course a Brit calling America aggressive and colonializing is truly a pot/kettle kind of experience!

Speaking of which, if the word "black" was substituted for the word "American" on boards like this, people would be horrified at the mean-spirited racism and hate-mongering. But hey, it's okay to insult Americans. It's not like they are human or anything. Folks who brag about their superior manners while gleefully hurling glib insults against an entire country should look up the word hypocrite in their Funk & Wagnels. There is little difference in intent between the child who says, 'joo sUck, d00d', and the supposedly mature adult who strings together multi-syllable words with clever grammatical syntax to hurl insult.

As for Americans who would like to see our country go a different direction politically, count me among them. I also feel like our children are running wild, and need to be reigned in... but this is hardly an American-only experience, or Brits wouldn't be hand-wringing about "happy-slapping", banning "hoodies", and putting desperate civilians in jail for waving an airgun at juvenile thugs who are terrorizing neighborhoods with impugnity. Every country on earth has its "rebellious youth", it's political maelstroms, and disagreement amongst its citizens. Immigration has become a major point of tension in most European nations. It's less of a problem here... at least legal immigration is less of a problem... because we are a nation of immigrants. So bigotry in Europe against Muslims, Gypsies and others are quite prevalent in Europe, so wow. Maybe Europeans aren't quite as perfect as they pretend to be!

I'll confess that sharing a gameworld with adolescents is not a particularly enlightening experience, but it's no worse than sharing a gameworld with the smug and self-righteous, who constantly put others down to validate their own sense of superiority.

Bigotry and country-bashing (or race-bashing, or religious-bashing) is wrong, whether comes from outside the borders or inside. Although those who bash their own country confound me. I don't like the current political climate either, but the country is split between conservatives, liberals and moderates, and I don't think I can support wholesale slaughter of 2/3 of the country just to get my politics into power. But generalizing and insulting one's own country just because my group isn't on top at this moment? Makes no sense. This country was founded on freedom and tolerance. That means freedom for everyone to believe what they wish, and tolerance of those who disagree with us. If it's really that awful, it's not like the door is locked and one cannot depart for more agreeable shores. Unless one merely resents the lack of ability to shove everyone who doesn't share one's viewpoint out, and slam said door behind them.

I belong to a lot of international forums, and I have had a belly-full of this kind of this gloating, bullying, self-aggrandizing racist pap. To say that I'm dreadfully disillusioned to see it here is an understatement.

[/rant] I've said my piece. Bluster and sputter in indignation at will. I won't be responding. This is supposed to be my escape from the mean-spirited nastiness of real life, not a reinforcement of it. Nothing like a big dose of "shatter enchantment" with my morning coffee.

It's not whether there are delinquents, it's whether they have internet access that matters...

tsk! tsk! tsk!. Bush may be a cowboy, but at least we don't change our whole government in a subserviant fashion following a terrorist attack, a la Espana.

Thank God for those political US morons during WW II or else,

1) All of Europe would be speaking German, and united under German culture.
2) The Jews would be no more.

Really folks, you Europeans should establish a holiday commemorating honoring the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, because without that The former just might have happened.

An Anti-American Israeli Jew. Now I've seen and heard everything.

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Originally Posted by catharsis
If I were American, I too would be a little sick of everybody assuming my country is full of nothing but gun-toting, biblethumpers with no concept of the world outside.



OMG, Devts- if you think that some pretentious little 14 year old from Georgia is going to convince any educated man that the drivel coming out of your mouth is true, you are greatly mistaken.

Where on God's good Earth do you get your percentages from? The last US presidential election would be proof enough that 75% is a ridiculous number.

Stay in school, listen more and speak less. Please confine your philosophical theories as to the degeneration of the US until you at least read "Animal Farm" in high school.

You shouldn't hold your breath expecting this kind of logics from these anti-american people who start or support this kind of threads. In their simple and narrow minds, Americans are unconditionally bad. They post without coherent thoughts. They make generalizations left and right without any real fact. Any non-American who can think just a little wouldn't be making this kind of threads.

Wow, the context of this thread has changed a tad since I last peeked in...

So to bring this thread back on track...

I'm English, and I live in the US. I'm in a guild with my English friends, and we play in the International districts (although some have moved to American because they were fed up with Europe never having favor ). I'm not going to generalize, and while I agree with many posts that today's youth needs reigning in, it has nothing to do with GW.

So, here's my solution to the problem with idiots in your region. Play on the International districts; I've never had a bad experience there. True, it's tough to find a PUG in some areas, but when you do, it's fun.