Recently switched to European servers

Yeah yeah... French's mustard is owned by the French, and imported directly from France...

Well now I hope yall are enjoying the american bashing here, must be real fun for yall.
First its a rant on how americans behave in game, then somehow, it evoled into a gerneral rant about how americans behave in the world today. Now it seems we're going to rehash WWII, well ok, heres something for yall to chew on.

While victory over germany was the result of the hard fighting carried on by europians, remember one thing, your victory wouldn't not have been possible without american supplies, money, and blood on the europian front, plain and simple, you can argue that if you want, but at the time america was an isolationist country, and we were perfectly happy sitting over here and letting yall be taken over by one of the most evil and sadistic men in all of the 20th century, then came pearl harbor.

The attack on perl harbor is one of the most infamous acts commited on american soil in our history, and spured the call to arms here in almost less time then it took for the news of the attack to spread through out the country. However, might i point out, The war against japan was where america sent most of our troops and equipment, we opened a front and pushed it foward with little help from our allies. So in effect during WWII america was fighting 2 fronts almost from the time we entered the war.

Now i'm not a historian but this is what i've learned and understood from the numerous things i've seen and read about the war. So if anyone feels like correcting me please do so.

Now thats out of the way, lets go on to what yall have america to thank for.
Lets see here, well we'll start with the obvious, the fact that you live in a country where you are free to play guild wars, come to this forum and rant and rave is due to america, our founding fathers developed the current form democracy, thats the form of goverment you live in right now. Also, talking about the fact you're playing guild wars, and coming to these forums, you have america to thank for that, little old man named franklin that discovered electricity, and of course the lights you enjoy in your homes right now are an american invetion, thomas edision did that for you.

I could sit here all day and tell you what you have america to thank for, but hey, i'm sure you don't want to hear that. I mean that would be a grevious diservice if I continued to point out that this american bashing is just as pointless and absurd as the stuff you're upset over about american players in guild wars. I imagine you all would just howl with indignity and rightous anger if i just sat here and said, get over it, deal with it. i try to show respect to everyone that i meet, but if you're going to dislike me simply because i was born in america, then i have to say one thing more, kiss my american butt.

Well it wasnt countries per say, more ethnic groups. You see it stems from the time of the Romans. Yes those darned Romans again.

I dont have every fact to hand, or in mind atm, but the Roman Empire becomes Christian when one of last Emperors see's a cross in the sky before a battle he wins. Around 800 A.D the Roman Empire exists really in name only, the Pope is the leader of the Church, and the World is Christian. Charlamagne is Emperor of the Western half of the now fractured Roman Empire, and the Pope in Rome controls the East.

Im not sure entirally how perfectly accurate this is, but I'll continue.

Charlamagne dies, his Empire splits into two, Eastern and Western Franconia.
The Western part becomes unified, and becomes, eventually, France.
The Eastern part is known as the Holy Roman Empire, and is centered around the Kingdom of Germany. Otto the Great unifies it and becomes 'Emperor' a tilte which had been more a role the Pope gave to his freinds than an actual position of authority, until Otto the Great.

Official documents from the 13th century depict the name for this empire as
"heiliges Römisches Reich"
14 th centuary "dem heiligen Römischen Reich und Deutschen Landern."

As you can see there is an obvious connection between the Roman Empire of Ceaser, the European 'Holy Roman Empire' and Hitlers '3rd Reich'.

In Hitlers book, Mein Kampf, he goes on at length about the history of 'his people' and how the glory days of Germanic empires gone by should be reclaimed. His people are not necessary 1900s Germany, but rather all the people he shares 'blood' with in Europe.

Many many others felt the same way as him. His words in his rallies inspire deep rooted dreams of glory days and empire building in a people (not country but people) that have already gone through Hell in WWI.

The Holy Roman Empire of 800 AD all the way up to 1400 is the remnants of the Western expanse of original Roman occupation, combined with the now christain populations of the REST of the West of Europe. Even Britain recongises the Pope as being supreme until Henry the 8th.

What im trying to say is that over time countries have erupted, people have fought, wars have torn up and redrawn borders. Hitler appealed to peoples desire to return to an almost Roman empire in the sence of size and population and idealism to be the epitome of human civilisation, but with 'modern' ideals and technology and knowledge.

There are reports of Dutch soldiars volunteering to join the SS.

Mankind has a thing about empires.

Well you have an Austrian to thank for recomending the development of the nuclear bomb to your president. You have a Scot to thank for TV, and Englishman to thank for antibiotics, the Greeks and the French to thank for your form of demoracy (which is an utter sham btw).

American supplies were BOUGHT. The United Kingdom went into its worst economic depression ever after WWII repaying America for its 'help'. It appears that the United States spotted a way to cripple our nation once and for all while at the same time saving us from starvation. If you think any of us would let ourselves live to speak German you are a fool. British values are lost when we die.

Indeed the relationship between Germany in the USA prior to the outbreak of war was very cosy indeed.
Ill regret saying this, but its my personal view everything the USA did for the allies against Germany was maximised for political gain. Stalin didnt want America in Berlin but he couldnt very well shoot you, (American flag hoisted high in the ruins of Berlin is a nice little TV treat for the folks back home), indeed look at the cold war. America hated Stalins communism, and power, why did Stalin hate America enough to risk an apocalypse? Several times I might add...

Your troops fought hard, and died alongside the troops from my country, this is undeniable, but your country did not enter the war because of its consciounce or its desire to defeat Hitler. Where is the sense in fighting a costly war thats between other people.

That America was the anvil Stalins hammer crushed Germany against is a myth. The undefeatable were long beaten by the Russians, and it makes little tactical sense to flood troops into a conflict that has an ocean and other armies fighting between you and them, instead of pilling troops into a conflict with afoe with nothing in its path.

The Europeans could easilly have been defeated without American weapons and supplies, but it was not free.
The USA may well have stayed out of the war untill Stalin crushed Hitler, and the post war world would have looked no different except Japan would still have its little empire.

The USA entered the war because it got attacked, and it used its power for financial and political gain, as much as was possible.

We have little to thank the USA government for, and we owe everything to those soldiars and civilains who died, but to think you might have stayed out of the war altogether is utterly despicable.

Im glad you feel proud, millions were butchered while you played your political and economic games.

FACT

Ah quick little post. Demarck is the olny country that ever paid off its debt to the U.S. after WW2 or WW1 for that matter all the other countrys debts were forgiven with less than 10% of it paid off in the end.

Darn it. I forgot that I wasn't going to post anymore.

Right because if things had been different, and Hitler occupied and enslaved Russia like he always dreamed of doing, the USA would have kicked his little ass back in its place?

You think you would have been spared if things were different? You think USA against the rest of the world, enslaved or allied with Germany would have been winnable?

Your grasp of what was really at stake back then is amusing.

Absoutly nothing to do with the post you quoted which was pointing out a false statment that you made.

So basiclly Europe owes the USA for supplying our armies, even though we were already in debt, and we owe the USA for beating Germany, even though it was Russia.

And the USA doesnt think to apologise for not entering the war early, and Americans do think that in the 1930s and 40's America > all like today?

Right, and people wonder why Americans get bashed when they open their mouths.

The point im trying to make is that 60 years into the future I fail to see what Europe owed to America considering its actions in the War.

You wanted money and now you want thanks for joining the 'rest of the civilised world' in a War against the greatest threat we have ever faced?

You wont get thanks from me, but your dead will.

Never said anything about Europe owing anyone anything. I was merely stating that your post was incorrect and that Europes economic problems might half to do with the fact that it was a massive battelfield for almost a decade.

As for America not entering the war before pearl harbor. Well we were giving you supplies and why should we have entered a war when we had no treaties or agrements binding us to it and it was not hurting us at all?

Because we were fighting a monster that was reshaping the world according to his twisted dreams.

Its called right and wrong, a concept missing in the world today.

Never said anything about thanks either. As I already stated don't assume anything. My pointing out a statment that you made being false causes you to assume that I want a thank you?

Arg!! You dragged me back in. Must break free.

Bah.

Some guy pointed out that Europe only paid back 10% of its moneterial debt.
I wrote that it Europe wasnt in debt. Except by USa reckoning.

You say my statement is false, I beleive right and wrong > money.

Perhaps at 21 years of age im old fashioned..

I pointed out the 10% part.

This is what you wrote (I refer you to the bolded part):
That is you pretty clearly saying that the UK was in debt.

Right and Wrong are different for every person on the planet. Your Wrong might be anothers right and vice versa.
(NOTE I DON'T SUPPORT THIS I AM JUST ARGUING THE POINT)
Can you say what the world would be like if Hitler had won? It might be a perfect Utopia.

And at 21you arn't old fashioned your idelistic.

The UK was in debt for recieving American food and equipment, thats true. Im guessing you think thats perfectly reasonable, which is up to you.

As a Scotsman I feel you should have your ass at the front line from day one fighting Hitler, fighting one mans attempt at empire building and eugenics, but thats just me.

What I object to is any American thinking they deserve thanks for asking for money from people who were facing concentration camps and who were fighting with every thing they had to give against this threat.

The United States sitting back while something like this occurs I would hope would be considered a crime against humanity these days. What is utterly despicable is desiring money, and political gain, from a War, and saying you are proud of your actions and that we owe you big time.

Regardless of the bullsh1t that exists in our lives, people can still see with their own eyes. Never forget this.

Anyway time to leave this thread, I can argue facts with anyone, but I cant compete in a 'who said what when and what he said' arguement, iv not had as much practice.

What kind of incoherent thought is this?

He seems quite good at being incoherent hydrak, doesn't he?

And this is why there needs to be a stronger focus on teaching history in the classroom 'cause this conversation is stupid.

Lend-Lease was a way for Roosevelt to aid the war effort without actually hopping aboard. He couldn't simply GIVE THE SHIT AWAY because he promised the nation he would not involve himself directly in the conflict--but, at the same time, he simply couldn't sit on his thumbs and let Europe fall to Hitler.

It was, in short, a pretense, an excuse for involvement without actually declaring a side.

Money was exchanged, but not necessarily for the dollar amount of the goods. Also, Roosevelt made it clear that we were not -selling- goods to Europe. Rather, we were LENDING it--to paraphrase him, we don't sell a garden hose to a neighbor to put out a fire, but instead lend it to him and take it back when he's done. A number of our overseas bases are because of the Lend-Lease Act.

"The United States sitting back while something like this occurs I would hope would be considered a crime against humanity these days."

This remark is hilarious, considering all the flak the US takes nowadays for acting as world police.

.. and if you want to be an ass and point fingers, point them at Europe for not taking the war to Hitler when he was still a small potato, as opposed to APPEASING him at every turn until war was more than obvious.

Man. This argument is stupid.

geez, can someone lock this thread... please !!!

I agree. Bad history makes me sad.

ok back to the REAL discussion.....im swedish (at the age of 15 if youre wondering)
I played on the europe servers to begin with which was fun because theres where the sweeds hang about (being the biggest gamers in the world for its size) but the french, germans and other nationalities that are included were spamming the threads in their mothertounge "pretending" not to understand english when questioned.
I got pretty annoyed and moved to the american servers which arent as fun to play in because of all the rudeness, spamming and their attitude towards younger players who they claim to be the ones responsible.....
The only reason im still playing there is the fact that everyone speaks english and therefore makes it easier to work as a team in PvP and PvE.

Seeing as some of you children cannot read, I stated at least once "talk countries, but keep it strictly Guild Wars related."

I hope you're happy now, because this thread has now been locked.