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Chowley

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Ireland

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12 Jul 2005 at 20:46 - 81
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Originally Posted by smitty-gw
tsk! tsk! tsk!. Bush may be a cowboy, but at least we don't change our whole government in a subserviant fashion following a terrorist attack, a la Espana.

Thank God for those political US morons during WW II or else,

1) All of Europe would be speaking German, and united under German culture.
2) The Jews would be no more.

Really folks, you Europeans should establish a holiday commemorating honoring the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, because without that The former just might have happened.
Oh ya that was completely selfless, jesus, this arrogance would be a large part of the anti-american sentiment world wide.

smitty-gw

smitty-gw

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12 Jul 2005 at 20:58 - 82
That was a response to the anti-American bashing that started and continued in this thread.

Yes, it was arrogant and intended to be so.

No, it is not that far from the truth. Read your history. Germany owned almost all of Europe before the US got involved.

American blood was the lynchpin that broke the back of the greatest evil leader of the 20th Century and once again, God forbid we take credit for it.

How dare we? You are laughable.

hydrak

hydrak

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12 Jul 2005 at 21:07 - 83
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Originally Posted by Chowley
Oh ya that was completely selfless, jesus, this arrogance would be a large part of the anti-american sentiment world wide.
It is more tolerable speaking the truth in an arrogant manner than making false generalizations.

eventhorizen

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12 Jul 2005 at 21:08 - 84
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Originally Posted by DiAnna
Ah, yes. The smug and pompous strike again. Yes, yes, Europeans are so far superior to Americans, and rarely miss an opportunity to point that out in that clever, dry-wit, mean-spirited manner of which they are, oddly, so proud. Of course a Brit calling America aggressive and colonializing is truly a pot/kettle kind of experience!

Speaking of which, if the word "black" was substituted for the word "American" on boards like this, people would be horrified at the mean-spirited racism and hate-mongering. But hey, it's okay to insult Americans. It's not like they are human or anything. Folks who brag about their superior manners while gleefully hurling glib insults against an entire country should look up the word hypocrite in their Funk & Wagnels. There is little difference in intent between the child who says, 'joo sUck, d00d', and the supposedly mature adult who strings together multi-syllable words with clever grammatical syntax to hurl insult.

As for Americans who would like to see our country go a different direction politically, count me among them. I also feel like our children are running wild, and need to be reigned in... but this is hardly an American-only experience, or Brits wouldn't be hand-wringing about "happy-slapping", banning "hoodies", and putting desperate civilians in jail for waving an airgun at juvenile thugs who are terrorizing neighborhoods with impugnity. Every country on earth has its "rebellious youth", it's political maelstroms, and disagreement amongst its citizens. Immigration has become a major point of tension in most European nations. It's less of a problem here... at least legal immigration is less of a problem... because we are a nation of immigrants. So bigotry in Europe against Muslims, Gypsies and others are quite prevalent in Europe, so wow. Maybe Europeans aren't quite as perfect as they pretend to be!

I'll confess that sharing a gameworld with adolescents is not a particularly enlightening experience, but it's no worse than sharing a gameworld with the smug and self-righteous, who constantly put others down to validate their own sense of superiority.

Bigotry and country-bashing (or race-bashing, or religious-bashing) is wrong, whether comes from outside the borders or inside. Although those who bash their own country confound me. I don't like the current political climate either, but the country is split between conservatives, liberals and moderates, and I don't think I can support wholesale slaughter of 2/3 of the country just to get my politics into power. But generalizing and insulting one's own country just because my group isn't on top at this moment? Makes no sense. This country was founded on freedom and tolerance. That means freedom for everyone to believe what they wish, and tolerance of those who disagree with us. If it's really that awful, it's not like the door is locked and one cannot depart for more agreeable shores. Unless one merely resents the lack of ability to shove everyone who doesn't share one's viewpoint out, and slam said door behind them.

I belong to a lot of international forums, and I have had a belly-full of this kind of this gloating, bullying, self-aggrandizing racist pap. To say that I'm dreadfully disillusioned to see it here is an understatement.

[/rant] I've said my piece. Bluster and sputter in indignation at will. I won't be responding. This is supposed to be my escape from the mean-spirited nastiness of real life, not a reinforcement of it. Nothing like a big dose of "shatter enchantment" with my morning coffee.
Yeah you are right, we Europeans treat far too many other people with contempt and an air of superiority, only recently did I see an inflamatory "America, Losers Land" post, and the amount of posts denouncing American ability at Guild Wars trully makes me feel bad.

The whole of Europe should lay off slagging Texas for not agreeing with some of our political ideals, and its about time we Europeans started taking responsibility for our actions on a Global scale.

/sarcasm off, lol.

eventhorizen

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12 Jul 2005 at 21:17 - 85
Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty-gw
That was a response to the anti-American bashing that started and continued in this thread.

Yes, it was arrogant and intended to be so.

No, it is not that far from the truth. Read your history. Germany owned almost all of Europe before the US got involved.

American blood was the lynchpin that broke the back of the greatest evil leader of the 20th Century and once again, God forbid we take credit for it.

How dare we? You are laughable.
The only reason you entered the war was because the Japanese kicked your arse.

The Soviet Union turned the tide of World War II by beating Hitlers operation Barbaroza. FACT.

A Few cunning manouvres, and being the first to undertsand the true power of the Aircraft carrier was all that saved you from losing the Pacific to Japan.
Battle of Midway. FACT.

German technology and science was years ahead of US technology. FACT.
(Sherman tank versus the Tiger...First jet engine and ballistic missiles)

Soviet and American Industry was able to outproduce German industry after Operation Barbaroza (the larget military deployment EVER) failed utterly. FACT.

American Industry would have been able to compete with a German Europe, enslaved Russia with death labour camps, and an Eastern Japanese Empire.
Highly unlikely.

American troops were raw, and were considered inferior to any troop when they finally did enter the war. FACT.

American troops without European, Oceanic, Indian and African (and more) allies would have been a match for Western and Eastern veterans hardened by the worst carnage the world had ever seen.
Not in your wildest dreams.

The Soviets got to Berlin first, the Allies only got there at all because someone in the German army forgot to blow up a bridge.

You did not win the war, hell you didnt even enter it by choice, but its very likely had you not entered that the world would be the empire of the Third Reich. The world owes you no more and no less than it owes all who died fighting. Your historical ignorance and self righteous claims are an INSULT to the countless millions who paid the ultimate sacrifice.

Time to go brush up on your history. And manners.

hydrak

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12 Jul 2005 at 21:18 - 86
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Originally Posted by eventhorizen
Yeah you are right, we Europeans treat far too many other people with contempt and an air of superiority, only recently did I see an inflamatory "America, Losers Land" post, and the amount of posts denouncing American ability at Guild Wars trully makes me feel bad.

The whole of Europe should lay off slagging Texas for not agreeing with some of our political ideals, and its about time we Europeans started taking responsibility for our actions on a Global scale.

/sarcasm off, lol.
Don't turn off your sarcasm. If you don't like Americans, as long as you can back up your claims, you can bash American GW players as much as you want. Just don't be like the person who started this thread, building a castle on sand.

eventhorizen

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12 Jul 2005 at 21:30 - 87
Iv got nothing against Americans, I despise idiots with big mouths.

hydrak

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12 Jul 2005 at 21:30 - 88
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Originally Posted by eventhorizen
The Soviet Union turned the tide of World War II by beating Hitlers operation Barbaroza. FACT.
One question on the first of your many "so-called" FACTs:

Was there a "Soviet Union" during World War II?

eventhorizen

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12 Jul 2005 at 21:33 - 89
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Originally Posted by hydrak
One question on the first of your many "so-called" FACTs:

Was there a "Soviet Union" during World War II?
I guess not, Bolshevik Soviet Russia under the control of Stalin. My apologies. Next question? Or more semantics?

Tbh an apology would be more fitting, but I leave that up to your judgement.

Chowley

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Ireland

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12 Jul 2005 at 21:39 - 90
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Originally Posted by eventhorizen
The world owes you no more and no less than it owes all who died fighting. Your historical ignorance and self righteous claims are an INSULT to the countless millions who paid the ultimate sacrifice.

Time to go brush up on your history. And manners.
Exactly.

hydrak

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12 Jul 2005 at 22:04 - 91
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Originally Posted by eventhorizen
The only reason you entered the war was because the Japanese kicked your arse.

The Soviet Union turned the tide of World War II by beating Hitlers operation Barbaroza. FACT.

A Few cunning manouvres, and being the first to undertsand the true power of the Aircraft carrier was all that saved you from losing the Pacific to Japan.
Battle of Midway. FACT.

German technology and science was years ahead of US technology. FACT.
(Sherman tank versus the Tiger...First jet engine and ballistic missiles)

Soviet and American Industry was able to outproduce German industry after Operation Barbaroza (the larget military deployment EVER) failed utterly. FACT.

American Industry would have been able to compete with a German Europe, enslaved Russia with death labour camps, and an Eastern Japanese Empire.
Highly unlikely.

American troops were raw, and were considered inferior to any troop when they finally did enter the war. FACT.

American troops without European, Oceanic, Indian and African (and more) allies would have been a match for Western and Eastern veterans hardened by the worst carnage the world had ever seen.
Not in your wildest dreams.

The Soviets got to Berlin first, the Allies only got there at all because someone in the German army forgot to blow up a bridge.
You did not win the war, hell you didnt even enter it by choice, but its very likely had you not entered that the world would be the empire of the Third Reich. The world owes you no more and no less than it owes all who died fighting. Your historical ignorance and self righteous claims are an INSULT to the countless millions who paid the ultimate sacrifice.

Time to go brush up on your history. And manners.
Hmm... With all your "FACTs", Stalin was replacing Hitler at the end of WWII in Eastern Europe. If there wasn't the allies (specifically Great Britain and the US), Stalin might have gotten to the rest of Europe.

Eventhorizen, answer a couple of questions, Stalin or Hitler? which one is a better dictator for Europe?

Rieselle

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12 Jul 2005 at 22:17 - 92
wow, this thread needs to be locked asap.

Big Fat Duck

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12 Jul 2005 at 22:17 - 93
I chat in this IRC channel with about a 50/50 split in europeans and americans.
Im american and i personally find europeans to be much more polite and modest in the way they chat.

hydrak

hydrak

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12 Jul 2005 at 22:23 - 94
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Originally Posted by Big Fat Duck
I chat in this IRC channel with about a 50/50 split in europeans and americans.
Im american and i personally find europeans to be much more polite and modest in the way they chat.
Of course, if a european who can speak english as fluent as his/her native language, there is a good chance that he or she is mature enough.

I also suggest you do this. Go chat in spanish or german channels with 50/50 american/german or american/spanish in german or spanish. And repost your result.

UberRusty

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12 Jul 2005 at 22:26 - 95
I am a Chinese guy with a British accent who lives in Canada. So you could say I've had a mix of cultures.

British are certainly a lot less aggressive and have a higher "common sense" than Canadians. No offence meant, I just meant as per my experience.

hydrak

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12 Jul 2005 at 22:33 - 96
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Originally Posted by UberRusty
I am a Chinese guy with a British accent who lives in Canada. So you could say I've had a mix of cultures.

British are certainly a lot less aggressive and have a higher "common sense" than Canadians. No offence meant, I just meant as per my experience.
How much time do you spend in the UK? What are the age groups do you interact with the most in the UK?

How much time do you spend in Canada? and what are the age groups do you interact with the most in Canada?

eventhorizen

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12 Jul 2005 at 23:29 - 97
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Originally Posted by hydrak
Hmm... With all your "FACTs", Stalin was replacing Hitler at the end of WWII in Eastern Europe. If there wasn't the allies (specifically Great Britain and the US), Stalin might have gotten to the rest of Europe.

Eventhorizen, answer a couple of questions, Stalin or Hitler? which one is a better dictator for Europe?
Not even close. Stalins 'achievements' throughout his entire life dont come close to what Hitler actually set about doing during the war, putting it mildly. Stalins paranoia and ruthless removal of his enemies, real and imagined, was done to secure a 'great communist Russia'. Stalin believed he was improving his country and his peoples lives in the beginning, then became paranoid and concerned only with power towards the end. I think.

Hitler tried his best to alter the course of human evolution. His death camps are full of the bodies of 'inferior' races, political enemies, and entire communities of people he blamed for many things. Stalin believed in a greater Russia, Hirler had his eyes set on an 'glorious empire', a 'Reich that would last 1000 years'.
I believe Reich means Way.

See the scary thing is, the ideas in Hitlers mind and his vision of mankinds future, he very nearly pulled it off. Blitzkreig means lightning strike, I think, and his tactics and weaponry were second to none. Who really knows what plans Hitler had ultimatly, or his colleagues and the people he surrounded himself with had, but what is fact is that he very nearly succeeded.

People assume that Hitler was 'another' dictator, but kid yourself not, 1000 years from now if Hitler had won, World War II would be THE defining moment in mankinds history.
As it is some of us consider it to be the defining moment anyway.

eventhorizen

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12 Jul 2005 at 23:31 - 98
Why dont you debate my 'facts' rather than asking stupid questions?

sino-soviet

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12 Jul 2005 at 23:38 - 99
When the Soviet army marched toward Berlin, their numbers amounted to ~6-8 million men, and plenty more where that came from. From sheer numbers, the Soviets could liberated Germany without the help of the US. The arrival of US troops was more reinforcement than an actual turning point. The American industry was the only particularly helpful facet of the USA's arrival anyway.

To smitty_gw - fortunately, not all of my country supports yours. I don't see any reason why I should support the USA when they jeopardize my country's existence. The US presidential election turned out 50-50 split between the two candidates. It is absolutely ridiculous to assume that ANYONE who did not vote for Bush is automatically some kind of enlightened cosmopolite.

hydrak

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12 Jul 2005 at 23:48 - 100
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Originally Posted by eventhorizen
Why dont you debate my 'facts' rather than asking stupid questions?
What you are providing aren't FACTs. Your so-called "FACT" post is nothing more than trying to glorifying Stalin's deed of mobbing up an already-beaten Germany and the German-controlled eastern europe (which was forced into the Soviet Union).

eventhorizen

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12 Jul 2005 at 23:50 - 101
Also Stalin didnt replace Hitler in Eastern Europe. There were plenty civil wars in many countries, I cant remember the name of the country (tsk) but I do know American and UK soldiers assisted one side in a civil war, because they were the weaker side, but supported the Allies, whilst the other stronger side supported the Axis.

Many, many countries considered themselves 'Germanic', Austria welcomed Hitler through its streets, a great procession and flowers and stuff. I believe Hitler was voted into power, and his people more or less accepted his every word, his every desire.
Hitler, believe it or not, was actually 'wanted' as a leader in many countries. His peoples love of him especially in the early years of war was almost uninimous.

Your lack of knowledge about what you claim is remarkable. You should not speak on a subject if all you have is stereotypes and preconceptions to go on.

Try using facts if you have any.

EmperorTippy

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12 Jul 2005 at 23:50 - 102
This might soundlike a troll but how did a thread about how good the european community was turn into Stalin whooping the beaten germans?

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12 Jul 2005 at 23:53 - 103
I played with several people from the UK in EQ and they were always gentlemen. I think I will take your suggestion as well.
We have very civilized, well behaved people in the U.S. as well, they are just overshadowed by the cult of immaturity that passes for our overall gaming population.

I suspect if I spoke Korean they suffer similar issues. Lineage 2 was full of their version of immature brats.

eventhorizen

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12 Jul 2005 at 23:53 - 104
Quote:
Originally Posted by hydrak
What you are providing aren't FACTs. Your so-called "FACT" post is nothing more than trying to glorifying Stalin's deed of mobbing up an already-beaten Germany and the German-controlled eastern europe (which was forced into the Soviet Union).
Lets try this again shall we?

Quote:
Originally Posted by eventhorizen
The only reason you entered the war was because the Japanese kicked your arse.

The Soviet Union turned the tide of World War II by beating Hitlers operation Barbaroza. FACT.

A Few cunning manouvres, and being the first to undertsand the true power of the Aircraft carrier was all that saved you from losing the Pacific to Japan.
Battle of Midway. FACT.

German technology and science was years ahead of US technology. FACT.
(Sherman tank versus the Tiger...First jet engine and ballistic missiles)

Soviet and American Industry was able to outproduce German industry after Operation Barbaroza (the larget military deployment EVER) failed utterly. FACT.

American Industry would have been able to compete with a German Europe, enslaved Russia with death labour camps, and an Eastern Japanese Empire.
Highly unlikely.

American troops were raw, and were considered inferior to any troop when they finally did enter the war. FACT.

American troops without European, Oceanic, Indian and African (and more) allies would have been a match for Western and Eastern veterans hardened by the worst carnage the world had ever seen.
Not in your wildest dreams.

The Soviets got to Berlin first, the Allies only got there at all because someone in the German army forgot to blow up a bridge.
Those are facts. Are you saying they are not? A simple yes or no.

eventhorizen

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12 Jul 2005 at 23:55 - 105
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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy
This might soundlike a troll but how did a thread about how good the european community was turn into Stalin whooping the beaten germans?
It was Stalins commanders that beat the Germans in the first place.

Do Americans have absolutly no clue about History outside of their own country?

Have most of you even heard of the battle of Midway? Probably THE most important battle in Americas War. I bet youv never even heard of it.

American intelligence intercepted a code from the Japanese, however the Japanese only spoke of an attack and not its location. So the Americans sent out an uncoded signal saying that Midway (an Island off the west coast of the USA and home to a US naval base that effectivly was the last defence between the Japanese and the coastline of the USA) had run out of water.

The USA intercepted another signal, saying that the target was reported to be low on water, that a strike soon would be advised.

The Us admiral, I forget his name, stations a few remaining battleships and destroyers at Midway, and hides his aircraft carriers to the north, when the Japanese fleet is engaged the Japanese lose 3 of their 5 Aircraft carriers and a few other ships, to the USA's 0, without either force actually having made eye contact.
This was the moment in warfare when the power of the aircraft carrier was first realised in its true potential. The Japanese never recovered.

Im amazed you have no idea about the turning point of the war against Japan, amazed.

sino-soviet

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13 Jul 2005 at 00:01 - 106
I believe it was Stalin who said "America provided the money, Britons the time, and Russia the blood." 100% correct. Even the USA doesn't flaunt their valor in combat and their superb military tactics, because it was these "tactics" and this "training" which made the war more complicated than it needed to be. In the end, all the USA had to offer was their industry and weapons. Frankly, neither was needed to defeat Germany.

The general's name was Patten I believe

eventhorizen

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13 Jul 2005 at 00:05 - 107
The German invasion of Russia, and their defeat and retreat, is reckoned to be THE bloodiest and most ruthless conflict. Indeed people speak of it as a series of massacres and not battles.

Russia turned the war, it was practically over by the time the USA got involved, get a clue sometime soon. You make yourself look like a fool.

Yes, I believe it was.

hydrak

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13 Jul 2005 at 00:07 - 108
Quote:
Originally Posted by eventhorizen
Also Stalin didnt replace Hitler in Eastern Europe. There were plenty civil wars in many countries, I cant remember the name of the country (tsk) but I do know American and UK soldiers assisted one side in a civil war, because they were the weaker side, but supported the Allies, whilst the other stronger side supported the Axis.

Many, many countries considered themselves 'Germanic', Austria welcomed Hitler through its streets, a great procession and flowers and stuff. I believe Hitler was voted into power, and his people more or less accepted his every word, his every desire.
Hitler, believe it or not, was actually 'wanted' as a leader in many countries. His peoples love of him especially in the early years of war was almost uninimous.

Your lack of knowledge about what you claim is remarkable. You should not speak on a subject if all you have is stereotypes and preconceptions to go on.

Try using facts if you have any.
Stop calling your biased opinions "FACTs".

How is forcing Communism on Eastern Europe different from forcing Fascism on Europe?

eventhorizen

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13 Jul 2005 at 00:14 - 109
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Originally Posted by hydrak
Stop calling your biased opinions "FACTs".

How is forcing Communism on Eastern Europe different from forcing Fascism on Europe?
For a start these are not 'opinions' there is a videotape of Hitlers 'invasion' of Austria, I believe it gets shown at least once a week on major History TV channels. He drove in to a mass cheering crowd throwing flowers, held a rally where people wept openly, then you see the infamous salute, followed by the mass 'Heil Hitler' from the crowd.

Communism wasnt forced on Russia, it got manipulated by Stalin. Fascism was practically voted into power in Germany, and was WELCOMED by cheering crowds in other places. And in yet still further European countries there were civil wars regarding whos side to take. THESE ARE FACTS. GET A CLUE.

sino-soviet

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13 Jul 2005 at 00:14 - 110
For the people who do not understand events in WWII:

June 6, 1944 - First American attempt to liberate Western Europe from Nazi control. Think of it as their entry into the war in Europe.

February 2, 1943 - Major turning point as the Soviets defeat the Germans and send ~8 million equipped men at an already crushed Germany.

No one is doubting the strength of the USA as a whole; simply put, they were not NEEDED.

To Tippy: The two things go hand in hand, because certain sentiment was aroused and attitudes changed during the time of WWII. I assure you, before WWII, NO ONE had an attitude that Americans were ignorant, sheltered people.

hydrak

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13 Jul 2005 at 00:20 - 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by eventhorizen
Many, many countries considered themselves 'Germanic', Austria welcomed Hitler through its streets, a great procession and flowers and stuff. I believe Hitler was voted into power, and his people more or less accepted his every word, his every desire.
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Don't tell me that this is fact. Name a few more countries besides Austria and Italy.

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13 Jul 2005 at 00:23 - 112
I am not quit sure which countries clearly recognized that they were Germanic, but Austria, Denmark, Belgium, England, Germany, Iceland, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, and Switzerland are considered Germanic. You have to remember that a country is never unanimous in their support for a leader, but I am positive many people in these "Aryan" countries supported Hitler's views.

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13 Jul 2005 at 00:25 - 113
An opinion is stated, and the America Firsters break out the flame throwers. This is about a game people, and the opinion stated was about decorum while playing outside of the American zones. Those of you who took it as an attack on your American heritage probably still think French's Mustard is owned by the French and Theresa Heinz-Kerry is plotting to take over the world using psychotrpoic drugs in catsup. Get real and grow up. You've made a perfect case for the original point of this thread.

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13 Jul 2005 at 00:28 - 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhineasToke
An opinion is stated, and the America Firsters break out the flame throwers. This is about a game people, and the opinion stated was about decorum while playing outside of the American zones. Those of you who took it as an attack on your American heritage probably still think French's Mustard is owned by the French and Theresa Heinz-Kerry is plotting to take over the world using psychotrpoic drugs in catsup. Get real and grow up. You've made a perfect case for the original point of this thread.
What I said orginaly.

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13 Jul 2005 at 00:28 - 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by sino-soviet
I am not quit sure which countries clearly recognized that they were Germanic, but Austria, Denmark, Belgium, England, Germany, Iceland, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, and Switzerland are considered Germanic. You have to remember that a country is never unanimous in their support for a leader, but I am positive many people in these "Aryan" countries supported Hitler's views.
Even if they were considered "Germanic", it didn't mean that they'd welcome Hitler and Fascism as eventhorizen's facts had provided.

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13 Jul 2005 at 00:29 - 116
FYI History is my favorite subject along with politics and human psychology. I know a lot about midway and Stalin and WW2. My point in that post had nothing to do with the hisory of WW2 but alot to do with how this thread ended up so very off topic.

If you want WW2 history I would like to mention that the fighting on the Eastern Front was almost over and the germans managed to push all the way to the gates of moscow. Read some of the memoirs of the russian and german generals involved in that fight and both sides stated that the reason the germans lost was two fold: First the germans never counted on the fiercness of the russian soldiers or their willingness to die (this slowed their campaign down drastically), Second the slowing of the campaign lead to it lasting into the russian winter which the german forcs wern't equipped to fight in (having planned and supplied for the campaign to be long over by winter time). America was supplying something like 60% of all the vechiacles and weapons used by the allies. We turned out a tank every 30 miniutes a destroyer per day a b-29 per hour not to mention all of the ammo and guns and other supplies produced in the U.S. On the African front Rommel said that he lost because for every Allied tank that he killed the allies had 2 more to throw at him. His own words were that he lost because of the massive difference in supplies and weaponery between the 2 sides. On the Western front the U.S. had been supplying the weaons to the british for almost all of the war. We didn't send troops in until later but when we did our country was fighting a 2 front war with Japan on one side and Germany on the other. Once we sent troops to europe (That famous D-Day thing. Ever heard of it?) the war on the western front was concluded within 2 months. Both the Russian and American forces met in berlin crushing it between the 2 of them. (What lead to East and West Germany). Then the U.S. went after Japan. According to our agrement with the Russians all lands taken jointly were to be divided between the 2 of them (along with the UK and farnce and 1 other I think) this is what happened in germany. We ended the war with Japan by using 2 nuclear bombs. The reason they were used was because the american presiden't wanted to end this war with as few american causalitys as possible and without Russian help (having seen what happened in germany the americans didn't want the same division in Japan). This use of the nuclear bomb lead into the cold war which I may dicuss later if you want.

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13 Jul 2005 at 00:30 - 117
Quote:
Originally Posted by sino-soviet
For the people who do not understand events in WWII:

June 6, 1944 - First American attempt to liberate Western Europe from Nazi control. Think of it as their entry into the war in Europe.

February 2, 1943 - Major turning point as the Soviets defeat the Germans and send ~8 million equipped men at an already crushed Germany.

No one is doubting the strength of the USA as a whole; simply put, they were not NEEDED.

To Tippy: The two things go hand in hand, because certain sentiment was aroused and attitudes changed during the time of WWII. I assure you, before WWII, NO ONE had an attitude that Americans were ignorant, sheltered people.
You are partially right but the russian forces were equipped by the americans mostly along with the slight fact that we were keeping Japan from attacking you while your army was marching on berlin.

sino-soviet

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13 Jul 2005 at 00:31 - 118
Austria and Italy welcomed it with open arms, as did Switzerland. Switzerland may seem insignificant, but its quite a commercial country. Many facist groups in other countries that I have mentioned existed as well.

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13 Jul 2005 at 00:31 - 119
Now I am not going to post anymore as this is horribly off topic and I just felt like pointing out that you shouldn't make assumptions about someones intent or knowledge based on less than 30 words. Expecially on a topic this large and complex.

sino-soviet

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13 Jul 2005 at 00:33 - 120
As I said before, the Americans provided the reinforcing funds which helped, but did solely determine, allied victory. And people seem unconcerned with Japan so I left that out. We should continue this in the off-topic thread.