Get rid of doubled skills (petition)

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Alright ..
I'll have to look more closely then, I didnt really notice.

/not signed; some of the clones are usfull to the core class, 4 SS's anyone? (necro in FoW) flexibility is nice.

Gail has stated, and was quoted somewhere around here, that they are in fact here to stay, and were done on purpose. They are not "placeholders".

As to whether they are a good idea, that depends. Anet has stated for the record that they derive their inspiration for the skill system from Magic the Gathering. If we look at that game, there have been over the years many "duplicates", some because a limited skill set was instituted for a given format, others to allow for multiple copies of a usefull skill to be used. Does that last part sound familiar?

There have been very few cases of abuse involving these "copies", primarily because Wizards always recognized the potential for abuse and generally only duped the utility skills like disenchant (of which I think you could run almost 1 out of 3 at one time.

Please, if it's not too much trouble, could you show me the godly combo that is now possible? The best I've seen anyone come up with in this thread is double Galraths + FT, and if that's the best you can do you're in trouble with this whole arguement. If that's your idea of overpowered...

War's are not the best spikers. War's are all about constant pressure, even after the adren nerf (or fix, I guess it depends on your perspective). If you're getting spiked by a war I have to wonder if you're talking about Random PvP, which really, who cares about? In PvE it's irrelevant. Casters and rangers far out damage monsters, and the best use for a war is as a stance tank. In PvP (real PvP that is), it has been shown many times that more adren skills = less damage over time. Sure, it allows for a spike, but it's a pathetic spike compared to 4 rangers, or even 4 air ele's for that matter.

And that's the only example you've come up with. Are you going to claim that having 2 Tiger's Fury's will lead to any godly combo's? How about any of the rest? Can you find a single realistic case of an abusable combo? The best I've heard of up till now was the Necro touch skills, and that's just silly.

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another cry-baby nerf this now petition. Jeez you people make me sick. There are ways to counter everything in the game figure it out.

That is too easy.The fact that it is there offends me!Opps being sarcastic..)
Have to agree with TideSwayer.The answer is simple...dont like it... dont use it.
Why is it every game I play folks dont get that?Anyhoo there are enough nerfs as is..oh well ..)

Anyone have a list of all the duplicate skills?

If you hadn't noticed , all the double skills are Factions campaign only , and the originals are Prophecies meaning that if you only have factions , you can only have factions skills and vice versa.

I don't mind any of the current skills that are duplicated. In fact, I like most of them. I just don't like the trend.


I don't like the idea that every new game every 6 months is going to have duplicate skills. I hope they don't get carried away here.

My only complaint is that many of the skills chosen to duplicate do not provide much added flexibility. It feels like they were chosen as skills that were 'safe' to duplicate, most of the ones they duplicated are either bad skills, or ones that aren't really limited by their recharges. So while there are a few cute things like double IHex, in general my response to the duped skills is 'if I thought these were any good before I would have used them when I only had one copy.'

I.E., I feel somewhat cheated by the dupes, because a new skill, even if it's terrible, is at least a new option. Giving us another copy of a non-impact skill just waters down the skill pool, it doesn't expand it at all.

Peace,
-CxE

I don't mind the duplicated skills, because...
1) you can use duplicated skills like Vampiric Bite, Vampiric Touch, plus Vampiric Gaze. To heal yourself, while the monk heals other players. That's if you own both games.

2) you don't have to buy the duplicated skill(s) if you don't want to. That easy.

3) thier there for new players that don't own Prophecies. Which has be said over and over again.

4) not all the duplicated skills are the same, example Animate Bone Horror and Animate Vampiric Horror. Both minions look the same but, vampiric minions also steal health if you lose health. Do normal minions do that, no.

that way you don't need echo, which means you dont need primary/secondary elite skill to copy.

Also, having two of the same thing means you can pull off combos faster and in new ways.Think 30-60 sec+ recharges.

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I think your petition isn't working, lol.

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if you want them to be available to factionbuyers, then they are coreskills, that simple. Using 2 times the same skill is in my eyes BS, I would prefer some alterations to them to increase options and synergies in stead of the take along to counter interruption and because of lower importance of other skills, or less interest in taking other skills along.

Ok, if they add 30 duplicate skills. Then what is the point of having core universal skills. It defeats the purpose.

Think about when Ch3 and so on come out (should be around Halloween ). The core skills they picked for Factions will always be core skills, whereas the duplicated skills and their duplicates probably won't be in the other chapters.

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i agree, i think it has a positive strategic effect to the alliance arenas.

The only core skill that worries me somewhat is Arcane Larency.
Echo, A Echo, AThievery, ALarency. That's 4 skills from your oppenents bar totally gone.

The other options are just dandy though. I think it's partly an attempt to make the mesmer subclass less desirable just to use echo for.

Does anyone else see this as an attempt to buff certain attributes/weapons rather than to "add flexibility"?

For example, Axes are typically the dominate weapon in Guild Wars at the moment, but now swords are getting a pretty big buff as a result of Galrath Slash being doubled.

Anyone have a full list of doubled skills?
I'd be curious to see which attribute lines get buffed the most from this.
(I hope they double MS, lol )