Sick of that -50hp item

Yea, I realized that after I posted... sorry 'bout that

I still don't agree though... even if the 4 monk runes have gone up, how much other stuff of the game has dropped tremendously because of 55 monks and other solo farmers?

Bah, why does everyone assume Savio deletes everything?

who said that? *must have missed it*

The important thing to remember is if you get rid of the 55 build, another will just come along. So if you are going to break the build to stop the 55 affecting prices, you will with that same logic have to stop all farming.

yes another build will come along but it will probably be less effective than the 55hp monk build. for all that the pvp people say "We love change! it prevents stagnation!" there are a ton of people here saying "oh noes dont change it!!!".

i'd also like to point out that just because the 55hp monk probably needs to be fixed into oblivion (i saw one other recommendation to make one of the main prot spells "target other ally" which i thought was a rather simple and innovative way to kill the whole build without affecting normal pve play) that doesn't mean that there is a problem with farming on the whole, per se. it sounds to me like the makings of a logical fallacy to say that "if you are going to break 55hp monk, you have to break all of farming". the statement is too expansive and overly dramatic.

eudas

I did, but noticing the sudden chill as i am surrounded by evil stares, i shall withdraw it

EDIT: Ironically the post where i said that was deleted too, so i guess i don't have to withdraw it.

It's so annoying when somebody complains about something like this LOL. Why in the #### should you care about the -55 item? If you don't want to have a 55 monk, fine, but if others do what business is it of yours? Thankfully, Anet hasn't listen to the whine of people like you, and I doubt that they will! What REALLY annoys me is N/Me's and I think they should be removed from the game (well, actually, only one).

If you're not a politician you should become one cause you sure got a bad case of wanting to control how everyone else lives!

Pro-Monk, you said what i was thinking with better vocabulary

'Pro monk' owned you there 'Darkganni', but don't worry, 'buddy christ' still loves you.

God d@/\/\n grow up m8, This game is about teamwork during missions and quests after that why not make some virtual gold if you have a problem with it bugger off and let us play our game we want to play we paid for it you have nor right to tell not only Anet what to do but the players as well.

/rant off

I'm sorry, but perhaps you'd care to tell me how 55 monks are ruining the game for me, because I cant say I noticed it myself.

And am I missing something here? You're up in arms over prices DROPPING? Now really, what is the sense in that. All that means is that people like myself have a better chance of being able to afford what we want. So from where I stand: 55 monks = good because they keep trader prices down due to overfarming, meaning the majority of PvE players can actually afford to outfit their character in something decent.

So, 55 monks stay. If they go, it will only create a hole in the economy, soon to be filled by the mistform invinci-ele or some other build to farm with. Even from your viewpoint, how will that change anything.

So basically, I fail to see the point of your arguement. You say they are ruining the game, but you do not give a single decent example of how they are destroying guild wars for everyone. If you ask me, the biggest problem in GW atm is that no-one will talk to anyone else in the game atm. When I started, it wasnt like that, people would talk in the towns and have fun. Now even I stick to my guild and a few friends because no-one else can be bothered to answer when anyone says something, unless it's to brand them a noob. At least, that seems to be the case in the european servers. This is supposed to be a team game, you say, but generally, there's a higher level of conversation in these 2 man UW TEAMS than there is in any outpost or town. How is one supposed to make a group when no-one will bother answering your call for one?

Except for the fact that some people actually use those spells on themselves in normal PvE and PvP play. So, no, it's not a "good" recommendation, nor is it really "innovative" at all. Shortsighted and and oblivious maybe, but not innovative or good.

I really wish PLAYERS would let the Anet guys do their jobs and stop the never ending whining.

Definately, if life throws something slightly bad at you, you get used to it, and work around it, not whine about it.
Though having said that, some people do. For anyone in the UK, read the letters page on teletext and you'll see what i mean .

i must admit i have a 55monk and havn't even used it in like ages lol, me and a friend have been doing 2man UW runs using W/N,SS/SV although it not as fast as a 55,ss/sv is works just as well and i don't need to worry about the nightmares. Even if anet every decides to remove/discontinue the -50hp item it doesn't mean ppl will stop running out of town to farm they'll just find new ways around it always have and always will but of course im sure u'll just start complaining about those builds then. When will ppl stop whining and let anet do what anet want to do.

if your PuG grp of 8ppl is having a hard time with the nightmare and aaxtees together then u must not have a very good grp there.

Yep, If your a monk in a pvp match and you cast protect spirit on you so you don't get spiked / killed quickly.

55 should stay.. the amount of ecto they bring in keeps prices steady, I sure don't want to be paying 14k an ecto like it used to be..

/SIGNED

I'm glad you got the point I was making since it was obviously over the OPs head

1) not everyone wants to spend 10 months saving for fow

2) 55hp monks really dont hurt you...

3) since necro tats not requiring shards was obviously bug, lets delete your FoW since it is the "bugged version"! hows that? is that fair?

Its just a item that give you -50 hp? Whats so bad about them?

Nice try, DarkGanni, but you've missed that the name of this game is FarmWars, and that the sole object of this game is to have more gold and godly gear than the others.

Besides, ANet doesn't need to remove the -50 offhand. All they need to do is place more mixed mobs. For instance, a single Heretic, ideally with a siege golem sidekick, outside the Droknars would stop all those bots & farmer cold.

5 Sup Runes gives you 105 health, and 55 monks use it to drop their health the extra 50 points so that way then they take 5 damage each time they're hit with prot spirit.

haha you're right there.

You picked the wrong forums to post anti farming and I see that EternalTempest threw out that same lame quote that doesn't say Anet supports farming and only says that they are against excessive farming which is what a person does with a 55hp monk or any other farm build. I have both a 55hp and a W/Mo (which I switch to W/R depending on the farming spot) and I still say farming is what is ruining the economy. Why do I have them? Simple, just to keep up. So what if strip enchanment is a 55hp killer, there aren't that many enemies that do it. For those enemies that do the solution is called spell breaker. Don't even talk about game balance, there is nothing balance about it in the PvsE part. A group of 8 lvl20s against 8+ enemies that are over level 20.

As for FoW armor and those that think farming is needed just to afford it guess what, FoW and UW are for those that did everything else in the game and is why the quests down there are repeatable. That and since shards drop in the Fissure and Ecto drops in the UW when you do those quest over and over by the time you aquire the shards and ecto through killing durring questing you will have the money to buy the rest. If you know how to salvage you will only need to pay the cost of making it. Also places like HoH and GvsG, PvsP that is accessable after beating the game can yeild lots of money (what I've read in other forums, don't know first hand).

The price of items increase, oddly enough, when farmed. I won't go into details as I already have in one of my suggestion posts, lets just say it has to do with the buy vs sell ratio at the traders combined with the increase of gold that comes with farming. The reason sup vigor and absorbtion is dropping in price now is because this game has been out for a while now and doesn't have the influx of new comers like it use to and those already playing have them already. So the buy vs sell at the trader is more balanced. The reason it dropped as far as it did was from people selling them to the trader cause the amount offered outweighed the hastle of competing against the dozen others who were selling them too at a time when alot of people already had them. This meant more were being sold to the trader than being bought which increaded the number the trader has (since the trader doesn't have an unlimited amount) and lowering the selling cost and buying cost at the trader to what it is now. Notice it hasn't gone up or down significantly for quite some time.

And henchies suck, they are dumb seriously dumb so soloing the entire game with them is impossible. If you say you've done it then I can honestly say your either a hacker or BS. Plain and simple. So I'm with ya on it in a way that something has to be done about farming but not with ya that the -50 offhand is the key since people will just use the -20, go 105 or use an entirely different class. However, other than for 55hp setup, its a pretty useless item so it should probably go. What you have to relize is that these people who personally attacked you over a suggestion have no lives outside the game and therefore have the time to farm all day since they've beaten the game with multiple characters(yes I did the same personal attacking with this post just because I believe in fighting fire with fire and "Do onto others what has been done to you" -Tool).

Buddy Christ!!! You can't be with farming....It's me by the way Vamp's boy toy Precursor. AOF Rules!

LOL! I've done every mission in the campaign with henches, several times, none is even very hard... Dude, face it: you suck at PvE.

Then I am calling you out. You either hacked or you BS just trying to make yourself better than you really are. Actually now that I read your post closer you didn't say you did it solo with henchies which is what I was talking about. Taking one or two with a group of people doesn't count

I soloed every mission with all-hench teams. Usually not the maximum number of henches either.
The ones I haven't done are the Titan quests (except defend Droknars), and I've not managed the new Underworld (AFAIK only one person has managed to complete the new Underworld with an all-hench team).

It's just a question of learning how to command your henches. And to never, ever, bring Orion/Cynn, except at Thunderhead Keep.

Umm... I've done just about every mission with myself, and henchmen... or me+1-2 guildies and henchmen. They're really not that hard. I got myself ascended with just henchies, and I almost finished THK with just henchies. I did Ice Caves with 5 or 6 henchies, Maguuma with half henchies, Kryta with half or all henchies, Shiverpeaks with half or all henchies, and Ascalon you can basically solo. Its not that hard. Its actually EASIER to do missions solo with henchies than 2-3 people + henchies, or with a stupid PuG which is what you inevitably end up with (85%+ of the time). So yea, don't go spouting off your logic... or thinking I'm a Monk/Tank... I'm a Ranger.

Prove it.. Take some screens or record yourself completing the lower shiverpeak missions and last three missions then post the pics or link to vid.

Next time I get bored enough I'll go through at least Ice Caves and Iron Mines... haven't been able to get through THK yet, but if/when I get through with henchies I'll screenshot it for you.

i believe they were 18k at one time. and black dyes were 34k. superior absorp 100k sup vigors 90k. hmmm

that was partly because of the trader reset....

To the Op .I wonder how you got your entire armor throughout the whole game from level 1 in pre to level20 ending at hells Precipice?

I wouldn't mind seeing you do Abbandons Mouth wirh henchies or Hells.

Lame ?...
http://www.guildwars.com/press/inter...e-friday61.php

This article cover's the following topics:
Talks about PvP and PvM (M=Money and how they balance it and accept it)
Why they don't give npc traders that have unlimited supply of everything
Why they allow npc trader to flux the price vaules
Why they directly mess with the economy
The three ways that allow a player to get more gold then a normal player
A) Farming
B) Bots
C) Human sweat shops
How they feel about each three, (the quote is from A)
And the economy as a whole.

I to would love to go back to the old economy when the game launched before people figured out how to work it. I played in 3 beta events and since the game launched. The players altered the economy in a way anet never dreamed of and there dealing with it.

This means two things until anet changes it, they allow it. It also means if they change it, you don't have an arugment against the change (from the developers point of view).

And they have changes ALOT of things since launch to control things

Remember Chests w/o Keys (removed).
Trageted farming for specific drops (drop "types" are now widly scattered now) aka 5 man smite teams for perfect storm bows.
Introduction of Green items.
The Desert Queen and Prohpets path.

Anet made this game to allow different styles of play. PvE, PvP, PvM, "Traditional", "Shortcuts" to attract the widest amount of players.

The main reason why I pull that out is so you know is how the developer of the game felt. It's not to say you can't disagree with him, counter his arugments too.

The more you play diffrent "styles" the more you understand how well made this game is. When you only play one "way", you don't see all the facet's of a gem. There are flaws but GW turned out rather well.

Also if you want a great item that you can mod, grab a collector item, there much much easier to get then perfect golds. Want perfect stats, get drak's armor. Want great items but not collector's, try green.

Want to jazz up with non-stat but cool looking items, earn money, get black dye. The Rune price's can be covered in his article (PvP vs PvM) mixed feelings about that. Pvp doesn't have trouble getting a hold of sup runes.

Some good points against the op are that there are plenty of other ways to do the same things w/o removing the item. He could do the same as others. Farming has become (for better or worse) part of the economy and any changes will have affects.

And farming also makes prices go down (by overfarming) and Anet can tweak the drop rates on that.

He said to do the lower shiverpeaks missions, and I already said I'm stuck at THK anyway

noobs whiner go get a life

Im sorry all, but have to agree with DarkGanni and Peewee.

Farming is an integral part of this kind of game... if they took it out there would be nothing left to do for most players. Who are you to dictate how this game should or should not be played?

For Those Who say henchies suck and
think that not everyone mission can be done without them check this out:

Did you just sit in the middle and let them come to you, or camp up near the King? *wants to know cuz he has to do the stupid mission*

That's My sister actually, she camped near the king holding the torch
Check The fading text just a few seconds after the screenshot was taken.