All the missions except the RoF ones are really easy to do with 7 henchmen. Those are harder, but still not too bad. THK I've completed with henchmen with all of my 5 characters. Once in a while it's a bit easier because the whole left side gets stuck on the door. :P
This is the only screen I've made showing me finishing with henchmen, because I didn't think it was that big of a deal. All the mobs piled up was interesting, though, and it made for a nice cinematic!
Sick of that -50hp item
Sunai
sino-soviet
I think the only reason anyone has a complaint about 55 builds is because of how effective is. People don't like seeing other people with 55 monks getting money so quickly, so they automatically search for universal effects it might have on the game as a whole. In all honesty, how much does the average player get touched by 55 phenomenon?
Abeno Shin
I dunno if this has anything to do with this but, I saw "Ectos" and I also saw "Price Dropping" and I though that I saw "But it hasn't happened yet" Well um.. Buzy, Ectos have dropped about 2k in the past month and at Christmas time or w/e holiday you celebrate they were 11k @ Trader, that is a very big drop Same with Black Dyes and most other Craft Materials such as Ob Shards.
Poison Ivy
Nurf everything that's effective, real smart.
Fantus
If all you "nerf 55 monk" whiners just can't stop your whining.. why can't you just do the rest of us a favor and at least post your whining in the SAME thread instead of opening a new one every 10 minutes??? 
jimmyhats
why is it that every couple weeks some person starts the same re-hashed, boring thread whining about 55 monks? get over it people.
Matsumi
Never really bothered me really. Sometimes I sell the -50 offhand to somebody for 10k or less. In fact, I've been pondering setting up my monk that way off and on. Also, it was kind of interesting to see some other 55's in action, necros and monks. I don't really see how it affects anything, and in alot of ways I think it's rather kind of cool. Only time I thought it was lame, was when I couldn't ressurect a 55 necro in tombs, but he did a great job on orders.
Guild Wars Junkie
I smell a new nerf, just like they nerfed griffons? I'm farming 24/7 just incase
wolfe2dale
I fully agree, 55hp monks are the same as IWAY teams used to be in pvp. A one trick pony that uses an exploit to win rather than skill.
To all those defending the 55....I truly look forward to the day this is nerfed, then you guys might actually have to use some skill whilst playing UW.
To all those defending the 55....I truly look forward to the day this is nerfed, then you guys might actually have to use some skill whilst playing UW.
ERMC
poor 55ers taking the blame for all the farming just because they are the most known farming build. like has been said taking the item out won't stop the farmers they can still farm with the same build. I always wonder when people were complaining about the griffons and all the monks farming them they never said anything about the w/mo farmers. IMO it was easier as a w/mo to farm the griffons then a monk. I like the warrior farmer over the monk one anyways it's far cheaper and easier to make one and you can pretty much do all the things a 55er can do. The 55er just gets all the attention because they are the most known. Rangers can solo UW just like monks and so can warriors and those are just the ones i know 100% for sure. I never hear about anyone complaining about the warrior solo FoW farmers but still people whinning about the monk UW farmers. If you are gonna come down hard on solo farmers just come down hard on all of them
BTW Hunter Sharparrow if u can't do mission with hench your just a bad pve player. If you actually believe people "hack" to beat missions with hench pls do a search on these boards there are tons of screen shots of people beating Hell, THK, and all ascension missions. I myself beat the last 6 missions and the desert ones with hench. Use that neato search function on the forums and see how riduclously easy it is to play this game with hench.
BTW Hunter Sharparrow if u can't do mission with hench your just a bad pve player. If you actually believe people "hack" to beat missions with hench pls do a search on these boards there are tons of screen shots of people beating Hell, THK, and all ascension missions. I myself beat the last 6 missions and the desert ones with hench. Use that neato search function on the forums and see how riduclously easy it is to play this game with hench.
Numa Pompilius
The 55 monk HAS been nerfed already, several months ago. There's no real need to nerf it further, it's not actually any more efficient at farming trolls than an axe warrior, and it needs a SS necro to farm the UW (meaning the SS necro get half the drops).
What's needed, though, is more mixed mobs, ie not huge groups of just melee enemies. Especially not close to towns.
As far as doing mish with henchies... give me a break. It's easy. I've never bothered taking screenies of me finishing missions with henches, because it's common knowledge that one can do it. I do however have a screenie of me finishing the High Priest Alkar quest with henchies, because people were saying it couldn't be done:
http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/temp/si...pissedalco.jpg
What's needed, though, is more mixed mobs, ie not huge groups of just melee enemies. Especially not close to towns.
As far as doing mish with henchies... give me a break. It's easy. I've never bothered taking screenies of me finishing missions with henches, because it's common knowledge that one can do it. I do however have a screenie of me finishing the High Priest Alkar quest with henchies, because people were saying it couldn't be done:
http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/temp/si...pissedalco.jpg
Gun Pierson
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I fully agree, 55hp monks are the same as IWAY teams used to be in pvp. A one trick pony that uses an exploit to win rather than skill.
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Darkganni is right about henchies though, you can complete every mission with them.
lg5000
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Maybe if they weren't dying nightmares, and something more along the lines of "flourishing kick-ass" nightmares, that would help somewhat. Having things around that you can kill in 1-2 hits doesn't do much to help the problem.
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You picked the wrong forums to post anti farming and I see that EternalTempest threw out that same lame quote that doesn't say Anet supports farming and only says that they are against excessive farming which is what a person does with a 55hp monk or any other farm build.
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As for FoW armor and those that think farming is needed just to afford it guess what, FoW and UW are for those that did everything else in the game and is why the quests down there are repeatable. That and since shards drop in the Fissure and Ecto drops in the UW when you do those quest over and over by the time you aquire the shards and ecto through killing durring questing you will have the money to buy the rest.
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Oh yeah.. after finishing the game with my monk, i finally got around to making her capable of 55 monking. Gotta say though, I far prefer my mesmer for farming.
Caged Fury
BAH! Yet another 55Hp monk whine thread.
If ANET gets rid of the -50Hp off hand item, it doesn't bother me. I tend to farm UW in duo ranger trapping teams anyway. Not super fast, but I find it more fun and leisurely.
After the 55 builds are gone, I wonder who the whiners will target next just to have some fulfilment to their life?
As for missions with henchmen, it's pretty easy...alot easier than with pugs anyway. For a majority of missions and quests, I've done with one other plus heanchmen. Otherwise, it's been two man teams (no henchmen) or myself with henchmen. I've been all over the Crystal Desert and Southern Shiverpeak with just henchmen as well.
If ANET gets rid of the -50Hp off hand item, it doesn't bother me. I tend to farm UW in duo ranger trapping teams anyway. Not super fast, but I find it more fun and leisurely.
After the 55 builds are gone, I wonder who the whiners will target next just to have some fulfilment to their life?
As for missions with henchmen, it's pretty easy...alot easier than with pugs anyway. For a majority of missions and quests, I've done with one other plus heanchmen. Otherwise, it's been two man teams (no henchmen) or myself with henchmen. I've been all over the Crystal Desert and Southern Shiverpeak with just henchmen as well.
Hunter Sharparrow
Well when you go with all henchies and one of them dies so both the protector and healer stop helping the rest just to rez the one dead which is usually the Ele or Necro leaving the rest to die. They need serious improvement. I'm also not talking about just every mission, I'm talking about every bonus and quest in the game too. Dunes of Despair is a good one, leave the hero to do the bonus and the hero will die.
Sekkira
lg5000
You know, that shampoo doesn't do what it says.. babys still cry when it gets near/into their eyes.
Sekkira
Well some babies will cry over anything.
Numa Pompilius
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Dunes of Despair is a good one, leave the hero to do the bonus and the hero will die.
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Sekkira
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Ah, you want to do bonus and mission AT THE SAME TIME. Yeah, that's sometimes hard with henches, as you can't split the team. Not the same as "not able to do missions unless you're a haxx0r" though, like you originally claimed.
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agree, imo only things about 55 is the bots running around and pop window trade with my cuz im a tank (wtf? im tank so i want to buy all your unid fellblade?) lol.beside the bot prob... 55 is just another build as said here b4.
btw my 55 is getting rust cuz i just get bored with it after Uw ,griffons etc..
now this is tearing:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...at+way&pl=true
Numa Pompilius
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That would be Thirsty River. Two entirely different missions.
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Corinthian
I better stock up on the -50 cestas before they get HoD'd. But who are you, DarkGanni, to tell people how they should play the game?
Avarre
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On the other hand proffesions such as mesmer cant nearly perform as well in PvE
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Sorry. A 55 mesmer can clear more than a 55 monk can in UW, in terms of solo farming. The complainers just lost all credibility with me, anyway. Obviously in all those months of play you never learned basics of pve beyond the trinity of tank-heal-nuke.
A warrior can solo farm aatxe/smites using a full-hp setup. The build (stance riposter) was just BUFFED. Most classes can farm without the 55 build in UW too (I've cleared aatxes with an ineptitude/riposte mesmer). Lets nerf everything! Woohoo!
Corinthian
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Sorry. A 55 mesmer can clear more than a 55 monk can in UW, in terms of solo farming.
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Sekkira
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Sorry. A 55 mesmer can clear more than a 55 monk can in UW, in terms of solo farming. |
Not to say Mesmers are useless in PvE, just saying that for the most part, there's a better class.
Avarre
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He said PvE, you're talking about Solo farming UW which is a small part of PvE. He's right too. Mesmers really shine in the last parts of the game. Perdition rock onwards. 3 Missions and 1 EA. The rest of the game? Their spot can be just filled with something that does damage and it'll probably be more effective.
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Likewise, when we discuss variation of classes, it is only from endgame on. Like FoW, fire islands, UW. Your opinion was formed because unlike monks and warriors, mesmers progress nonlinearly. In case anyone needs it in simpler terms -> Monks level up, heal more. Warriors level up, tank more! Mesmers level up, get completely different effects. So it's only fair to discuss on a level playing field of endgame.
Right now that we've established that... Monks are the most liked class because they keep people (who often lack standard thoughts of kiting, aggro, etc) alive through their mistakes. Mesmers punish enemies for their mistakes. In PvE, player mistakes > monster mistakes, so people prefer monks. However, 1 good monk is enough for the entire fissure, and 1 good mesmer likewise. So your comment reflects your playstyle more than truthful fact.
Regardless, that is all out of point. The fact remains, the -50 cesta isn't a crippling item. Rangers farm FoW, warriors farm _everything_, mesmers, necros and monks can farm just about anything with 55, eles can farm extensively with earth armors or 55. Other classes are not being hampered economically by it's existance, more so it is buffering those classes that are less capable of full-hp farming to a more even standard.
Sekkira
I think you missed my point entirely, not that I understood yours either.
What I was getting at is that for pretty much all PvE, you can fill a mesmer's spot with pretty much any other class and they wouldn't be missed. You seem to be disagreeing with me and then going on to say that they're noticably useful in FoW, which is what I was getting at in the first place.
Once Mesmers hit level 20, they don't suddenly become useful, once they hit Perdition rock, their usefulness is noticable. This is the problem with Mesmers. Don't get me wrong, I like playing one and they are useful from pre searing onwards but before Perdition, where they shine, they're quite a mediocre class. And even at Perdition onwards, they can still be easily replaced without hassle.
What I was getting at is that for pretty much all PvE, you can fill a mesmer's spot with pretty much any other class and they wouldn't be missed. You seem to be disagreeing with me and then going on to say that they're noticably useful in FoW, which is what I was getting at in the first place.
Once Mesmers hit level 20, they don't suddenly become useful, once they hit Perdition rock, their usefulness is noticable. This is the problem with Mesmers. Don't get me wrong, I like playing one and they are useful from pre searing onwards but before Perdition, where they shine, they're quite a mediocre class. And even at Perdition onwards, they can still be easily replaced without hassle.
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Regardless, this is still out of point. My starting comment was in mockery of the fact that people think mesmers in PvE are useless. They are not. Thus this ends, return to topic!
Willy Rockwell
Lot of times I log on with just a little time to spend, or dinner is gonna be served in a few minutes. I don't want to join a group and then leave them. Farming with my 55 is fun and something I can do alone.
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I could ask the same question about your avatar aswell. And in about 10months of playtime non-stop you think i wouldnt get 105 ectos, besides i would never pay real money for virtual ones, the reason i have it on necro cause it didnt require obsidian shards, was planning about buying fissure pants for my monk also but since they require shards now, i'll just stick with the 15k ones.
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Your logic befuddles me. You paid real money for your game to play and every time you play you LOSE lots of so called "real" money you could be out making doing some task in life for hire. Time is money and thus very interchangable with buying someone's time with your money and vise versa might not be such a big deal.
Personally, I like to see people with "ants in their pants" paying real money for internet items, cause if I spend my time wisely I can turn it into real money if I ever wanted. However, such people ruin the game for themselves in my opinion. I mean really... not a very gratifying experience to just go and buy up all the stuff you wish you had I don't think.
I would expect you are inwardly jealous that some monk might be spending less money (...errr I mean time) to hunt things that you spent more time on. At least that is your inner fear. You feel slighted at the thought of others getting something easier then you have, and seek to remove this option from others to make yourself feel better.
You will likely reply with something to the effect of, "I'm not jealous" not...blah..blah.... If so, it will be mere cover up for your ego trying to hide out from the sense of struggle you see people not having to go through like you have.
If the -50hp item was removed, you would likely find something else to cry about if you don't already do so. Such is the life of rule makers in every game. "After me, paradise is closed."
JiggyFly
Yeah I hate the -50hp too, sometimes I get too many mobs on me and can't out heal the damage. Then I die switch to normal weapons and own the monsters because you can tank easier with 33 health.
and technically....
you can easily finish anything and everything in PvE (besides the "small-part") with Monks and Warriors. without breaking a sweat. Especially when you consider that some of the best Warrior damage skills and best Monk healing spells can be found in pre-searing. In my opinion it's not just Mesmers but pretty much everything that can easily be replaced besides Monk and Warrior.
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SidewaysGts
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=originality
Not that this means much these days with many people.
Not that this means much these days with many people.
Former Ruling
Take 55 monks, that would be the rise of the Cyclone/Vicarous Whammo.
Wessels
'the whole OP's argument is invalid . Why? Because it starts from the assumption 55 HP-monks are the only solo farmers out there . There's tons of other builds around which don't even require the -50 HP cesta . If you take the offhand away that will simply mean folks will start to use those builds instead.
I have no problem at all with the item or with 55 - monks or any other farming build . If you want to do quests in UW /FoW simply go to temple of ages and ask around . Usually folks going to FoW actually do those quests ( if they take team ) and combine it with farming chests .
I'm pretty sure you can find groups for UW -quests as well . If not : you can always ask folks in your guild or use one of the many player-matchup forums out there .
Getting a bit annoyed about these kind of threads popping up every other week.Especially considering removing an item wouldn't even solve anything but would make people look for other solo-builds .
I have no problem at all with the item or with 55 - monks or any other farming build . If you want to do quests in UW /FoW simply go to temple of ages and ask around . Usually folks going to FoW actually do those quests ( if they take team ) and combine it with farming chests .
I'm pretty sure you can find groups for UW -quests as well . If not : you can always ask folks in your guild or use one of the many player-matchup forums out there .
Getting a bit annoyed about these kind of threads popping up every other week.Especially considering removing an item wouldn't even solve anything but would make people look for other solo-builds .
Dash Logan
I have a 55hp monk and only used it about ten times in the UW, not cause i was bad or anything, i just found it very boring. You can farm anywere solo with any char, so i take it the OP will want to nerf all farming skills and then we can all run around the ring of fire with our starter armour of if you really lucky, collecters armour.
If people want to farm excessive, let them, its there choice to do that and you cant take it away from them, the real problem out there is bots, there the ones who abuse the 55hp monk, You go to Droks Forge ID1 and see the stream of Mo\W going out of there, it can make you dizzy.
If people want to farm excessive, let them, its there choice to do that and you cant take it away from them, the real problem out there is bots, there the ones who abuse the 55hp monk, You go to Droks Forge ID1 and see the stream of Mo\W going out of there, it can make you dizzy.
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Since I beaten game about 7 times (and surely isnt fun),I do FoW/Uw and help friends, thats how i spend my time everyday,finishing all quests and capping every elite is something i done on every character. i dont seem to harm anyone with my playing style.
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I dont farm with my monk, but i can solo farm anywhere i want too with my warrior. am i to be punished and yelled at next? get a f'ing clue plz.
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And henchies suck, they are dumb seriously dumb so soloing the entire game with them is impossible. If you say you've done it then I can honestly say your either a hacker or BS. Plain and simple.
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GrendelScout1
I just wanted to chime in with a couple of screenshots of me and the hench doing the so-called impossible.
Matsumi
nice
never thought it was possible with glint
never thought it was possible with glint