http://www.secretlair.com/index.php?..._gold_farmers/
This site explains everything. So sad, so very, very sad.
They are NOT bots!
Poison Ivy
eSe
damn that is sad...
natuxatu
That is sad but the Elona Reach thing are bots you can tell because it was not created very well with them running along the wall and all.
ophidian409
I do believe those chinese farmers in gw are bots, becasue if they know how the game is like they would do the gold farm by themselves and sell their own gold on ebay for much more profit. I think those chinese farmers are just playing a monitor role in case GM would catch them and they sell weapons in LA when the macro got the weapons for them.
"When playing a game is your job, is it still a game?"
those chinese farmers don't actually play the game, just monitor the game
"When playing a game is your job, is it still a game?"
those chinese farmers don't actually play the game, just monitor the game
Rancour
Actually, many of them are in fact bots. However, even a bot needs a real person to sell items and keep the pesky Anet staff away, so they hire young people to sit by the computer making sure nothing goes wrong.
It's terribly ineffective to have people physically pressing the buttons and farming the game all day, when you can have bots do the dirty work. The "sweetshop"-gamers are supervisors.
On another note, isn't this like the 4th thread in a week about this?
It's terribly ineffective to have people physically pressing the buttons and farming the game all day, when you can have bots do the dirty work. The "sweetshop"-gamers are supervisors.
On another note, isn't this like the 4th thread in a week about this?
Ken Dei
It's probably the 4th thread because gamers are really getting fed up with this.....the companies really need to nail down these factories, and also pressure eBay and other such companies to ban the sale of gold, or the time spent collecting it, or any other crappy loophole they create, on their sites.
Poison Ivy
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Actually, many of them are in fact bots. However, even a bot needs a real person to sell items and keep the pesky Anet staff away, so they hire young people to sit by the computer making sure nothing goes wrong.
It's terribly ineffective to have people physically pressing the buttons and farming the game all day, when you can have bots do the dirty work. The "sweetshop"-gamers are supervisors. |
UndeadRoadkill
I believe there have been several articles and interviews (posted here even, I think) with farmers where they talk about the process. They mention how their employer provides them with a bot program, and they have to manually sell items, and respond to anet GMs. Besides, as Rancour mentioned, it would be really inefficient not to operate that way.
Mimi Miyagi
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I do believe those chinese farmers in gw are bots, becasue if they know how the game is like they would do the gold farm by themselves and sell their own gold on ebay for much more profit. I think those chinese farmers are just playing a monitor role in case GM would catch them and they sell weapons in LA when the macro got the weapons for them.
"When playing a game is your job, is it still a game?" those chinese farmers don't actually play the game, just monitor the game |
The "bots" everyone talks about are just guys grinding out farming runs, nothing more, nothing less.
EternalTempest
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And...how do you know this?
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To get your fishing skill up you had to fish for hours and hours... or any other crafting in FFXI for that matter.
UndeadRoadkill
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Except - there are no in game "moderators" or GMs. There is no reason for chinese farmers to monitor anything.
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swiftygem
Few weeks ago, I wrote a message to GW tech support about something. It was Sunday afternoon and I got a response from a person within few hours. To be honest, I'd rather receive a response a week later and have those people monitor (admin) the popular farming spots somehow. Like when I played Ultima Online, when I was training some skill, not moving, a message from admin would come up - "are you there" or something like that.
eSe
some games tp a char 2 jail and ask question or make them move in certain places bots cant do but not sure if this will work in this case since this game is global and not everyone knows english
Diablo???
This is ultra-sad
Da Immortal King
$250/month not bad i should look into this.
Murk
NOT BAD ?
If you already play GW 24/7 it's a nice bonus, but it's not much for a full-time job tho..
If you already play GW 24/7 it's a nice bonus, but it's not much for a full-time job tho..
makosi
Not that i condone these activities bur isn't $250/month a lot of cash in China?
Riceboi
I wish I was a sweatshop owner! lol Even though it's wrong in many ways, you can't deny that it's smart to start up a business based on pixels! hmmm...
Take this post seriously or as a joke, I don't care!
Take this post seriously or as a joke, I don't care!
RTSFirebat
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I wish I was a sweatshop owner! lol Even though it's wrong in many ways, you can't deny that it's smart to start up a business based on pixels! hmmm...
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- Most players make under $0.25 USD per hour
- The gold-farming industry generates $3.6B USD per year.
It may as well be slave labour, and getting young kids to do this as well is sad.
Simply put, the only people who are profiting are the ones running the gold farming companies.
Overnite
Ho my, I'm so buying one ! What do they eat ?
Manic Smile
Less then a horse.
Fay Vert
Just go to Elona's ID and watch the BOTS first, then tell us they are not bots.
RTSFirebat
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Just go to Elona's ID and watch the BOTS first, then tell us they are not bots.
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Overnite
The bots do the farming and the chinese slaves watch the bots, mkay ?
jackie
250$ in a month is much money in China but it still doesn't justify this kind of action :/
ThePadawan
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Ho my, I'm so buying one ! What do they eat ?
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kvndoom
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I think the main issue is this:
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If selling gold was a $3.6 billion industry, I'd open up my own damn sweatshop!
lyra_song
Maybe the term that they themselves are bots is improper, because they are still run by people, but regardless of that fact, they ARE botting.
Using macro programs to automate long repetitive tasks are illegal in just about EVERY mmorpg.
I think the main issue that i worry about is what kind of havoc botters inflict on the economy of guild wars.
Using macro programs to automate long repetitive tasks are illegal in just about EVERY mmorpg.
I think the main issue that i worry about is what kind of havoc botters inflict on the economy of guild wars.
fiery
I wouldn't mind having that for a partime job, cash is cash, if your unfortunate to have a job and life is that way, you do what you have to do.
Divinus Stella
They should ban the people that buy the cash, if people see you get banned for it then they wouldnt be so ready to buy the gold.
aron searle
I love these threads, all the people jumping on there high-horse to say how wrong this is.
What is the point of this thread, are we supposed to boycott all products that are made in china because of the way workers are treated?
Yea lets all do that, lets make China an even poorer country. Lets stop buying its products, lets make them close the factories that use cheap labour, lets make them sack the workers as they are no longer needed, lets make those cheap labourers earn nothing instead of a pittance.
If you didnt notice, your tv, shoes, cloths, stereo may be made in china, And probable earnt less than what these botters get. So unless you dont buy any product "made in china", your being pretty hypocritacal complaining about this.
Im not justifying EBAY items/gold, but condeming it on the grounds the workers are paid cr*p is a load of baloni.
What is the point of this thread, are we supposed to boycott all products that are made in china because of the way workers are treated?
Yea lets all do that, lets make China an even poorer country. Lets stop buying its products, lets make them close the factories that use cheap labour, lets make them sack the workers as they are no longer needed, lets make those cheap labourers earn nothing instead of a pittance.
If you didnt notice, your tv, shoes, cloths, stereo may be made in china, And probable earnt less than what these botters get. So unless you dont buy any product "made in china", your being pretty hypocritacal complaining about this.
Im not justifying EBAY items/gold, but condeming it on the grounds the workers are paid cr*p is a load of baloni.
Xenrath
It's a combination of scripts/bots and human players who oversee things to make sure the bots carry on working. The bots can be spotted, for example they bump along walls etc.
fiery
Eh when I use my character I tend to run into walls and trees cause I can go through em.
Matsumi
Here's an interesting forum discussion over on the guild hall site where Gaile comments about bots.
http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17877
http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17877
Rayea
aye, if they made an A-net regulated and Monitored site that proper LEGAL people could sell and buy/trade stuff, or even just sell the in game gold Direct from A-net it would reduce a large amount if you ask me.
especialy from the folks that are just buying a tiny amount cause they need one more ecto or 5 k more for their last set of 15k booties.
i mean, c'mon......what is wrong with the company that OWNs the game selling its Own in-game gold for real world cash....
especialy from the folks that are just buying a tiny amount cause they need one more ecto or 5 k more for their last set of 15k booties.
i mean, c'mon......what is wrong with the company that OWNs the game selling its Own in-game gold for real world cash....
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As long as the very basic issue isn't addressed ,i.e. : the reason why folks want to buy gold from the net , those farmers are here to stay .
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Here's my solution, and let me be the first to tell you that it's a very obvious one. They should just crack hard down on both sides, providers and consumers. And I mean HARD. Ban all involved accounts, by the thousand if that's what it takes. Monitor every IP address ever used to play a banned account and sets up a new account, and be quick out of the gate to smack them down again if they pick up their bad habits. Again and again and again until they give up. Who cares if they're Chinese, American, French or martians? Who cares about their living conditions? None of that should even come into the discussion. It's just a matter of ANet upholding their EULA.
Edit: Quoted the part I responded to to provide context.
Studio Ghibli
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I don't think you can eliminate the need to buy gold (or other items of a more inherent value) off the net, without removing every little spark of excitement from the economic side of the game. I don't think many players would want that, and I'd imagine the developers wouldn't want to remove part of the game either, even if it's mostly metagame.
Here's my solution, and let me be the first to tell you that it's a very obvious one. They should just crack hard down on both sides, providers and consumers. And I mean HARD. Ban all involved accounts, by the thousand if that's what it takes. Monitor every IP address ever used to play a banned account and sets up a new account, and be quick out of the gate to smack them down again if they pick up their bad habits. Again and again and again until they give up. Who cares if they're Chinese, American, French or martians? Who cares about their living conditions? None of that should even come into the discussion. It's just a matter of ANet upholding their EULA. Edit: Quoted the part I responded to to provide context. |
And even if you do ban those accounts, there will always be another way to bypass the system, another person to take up the reins.
See "War on Drugs" for more details.
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That's not to say I don't agree with your solution. I'd love for it to work.
Nivryx
I do not deny the fact that there are buisnesses out there who do indeed hire people to do such jobs. However, if you have gone to elona to take a look and watched, they come in and immediately run to the northern wall and begin walking rather slowly and continue their bad programming. I tried to follow such an example and found it difficult to make myself walk that slowly at such an angle. If they were indeed actual people, they would not be hugging walls in such a universal manner. I'd imagine if they are so desperate for the $.25 they get a hour, they wouldn't waste any time.
It's undeniable the majority of 55 monks farming minotaurs in elona are bots.
It's undeniable the majority of 55 monks farming minotaurs in elona are bots.
uberstu
i'm 100000% against bots and ebay gold etc. i'm just trying to understand something. what's anet's motiviation to cut down on the chinese farming other than the fact it's against EULA and unethical? the farmers are using purchased accounts right? is anet actually losing money or gaining money by their presence? these are just some questions that were popping into my head when i read these types of discussions.
Studio Ghibli
.. anyone else notice something funny about this thread?