Merged: Character Slots

not only stupid (which it is) but demeaning to put those all the way down to equality of a slot on a game.

HI PEOPLE

do you complainers realize that you have made less than one percent of the uproar/outrage that occurred over the UAS (UNLOCK ALL SKILLS) issue and guess what?

we do not have UAS and a few people walked over not having it.

complain all you want, dont buy chapter 2, go play something else as GW is still growing fast even if you leave.

dead horse is 6 feet under BANDINI Mountain already

I've deleted several pve characters created in my 4th slot just to do some pvp. I keep going back and forth on my decision. Sometimes I create a 4th character so I can go with a friend to pre-sear when they make a new character.

I was screwed out of my first attempt at a GvG battle with my new guild because my ranger wasnt set for spiking and I didn't have the elite and bow's they where using for organized GvG. I feverishly tried to get my elite and bought the items I needed, but missed out on the fun because I couldn't quickly reroll my character. See the problem here. I have what I need now for the future I guess, but what a pain in the ass it was for me to have to cap the elite and invest gold in a couple of decent bows just to get a chance to participate, in the mean time while I was doing this I listened on teamspeak while my guild enjoyed their GvG experience. I didn't want to delete my 4th character at the time, so you can see my dilema. This is just one example, hopefully there will be a solution in the future (keeps fingers crossed!).

Hopefully the next expansion will only be 6 months instead of a year, we hardcore guild war types blow thru the content so fast that a year of waiting is pure torture.

Here is the math for A-net:

Prophecies = 4 slots
Factions = 2 slots (???)

Buy 2 games that are not from A-net = 8 slots.

Wouldn't you enjoy the game more if you could try out all professions?

It's my opinion, and not stupid.. and no, I won't take it back as it is analogy for the ongoing argument that people want more than AN is granting them. Gamers spend a lot of money on these games every year, otherwise, people like John Carmack, the founder and engine programmer for ID games, wouldn't be buying countless amounts of Lamborghini's and building multi-million dollar rocket ships to win a hobby prize with their rewards for selling such games into the public market.


And as I have said before in other threads, when you submit these complaints and inquiries and suggestions into AN's support ticket system, they request that you post them again in threads, just like these. The simple reason being is people like Alex and Gaile, do read these threads and from these threads, they see what they public -really- wants. Are you saying that every post for someones request =has= to be deleted because it's not in the popular opinion, or doesn't reflect your views?

Let them complain if they don't like something. That is how change is created.



And on a second note.. if I had held my horses, and played the FPE BEFORE rushing to pay 69.99 for a pre-order. I would have probably not, and by probably, I mean 99%, not bought Factions.

Oh.. now A-net does not foster discussion and does not want to hear from the players? I think that A-net has done a good job listening to players suggestions and the more we whine and complain the more maybe something will be done about it in the future. Keep the thread open! We will not be ripped off.

PS. I can probably do fine with 2 slots, but rather have 4 extra slots.

Although this topic may exist in other forms, in all of these threads there does seem to be on common theme peope don't get - these boards are for all of us to voice our opinions. But there's a bunch that like to blindly roll in, try to squash discussion, and label anyone not loving 100% of the product offering as someone who obviously has issues/whiner/immature/a problem and should move on. Even though the reason we're bothering to post in the first place is we like the game and we'd like to see it be even better and/or more accomodating to how we play. In some cases in the hopes something will change so that we can continue to enjoy it.

And ya gotta love Loviatar for continuing to pull numbers out of his nether region.

Agreed Ckaz, if people didn't love the game enough to complain about things they found lacking, then AN would have some problems, because people would just walk away, instead of voicing their opinions and requests.

Anet explains it like this:

8 x 50% = 400% gameplay
6 x 100% = 600% gameplay

Ofcourse, they have a point, merging the games does further extend the gameplay experience due to being able to cross-travel etc...

hehe this horse is already dog food... I think I stepped in it yesterday in fact. /euw

I for one am glad to see the topic keep coming up. It shows that more people are still wanting more slots and if it keeps coming up, maybe Anet will give in.

I can't see anyone (players) turning them down if they are given, so it hurts no one (players) if Anet gives them out. Anet employees are adults and savy business people, they don't need to be watched out for by fans. Babysitting them in defending them via assumptions on why they haven't given out one slot per primary is, in my eyes, an insult to them. I'm sure they can handle themselves and can explain the real reasons why if they so chose too. However, they don't, and in opting not too, frustrates many. Telling each other to be quiet and go away only makes each side of the argument more inflamed.

Let's see if Anet finally answers this post since they've ignored the similar ones in the past.

Poor horse... hehe

then put your money where your mouth is and cancel it.

wait for reviews to see if you want it or nor.

getting it (CE AS WELL) and then complaining bitterly does not make sense

an informed buyer is an wise buyer.

what would it cost you to wait a few weeks to get a feel of i would be happy/unhappy with this game?

My point is, at a certain point (there have been, what 4 threads on this topic already!?!), it's time for a different course of action. I mean, what do you hope will happen?

If Anet is not going to respond to these threads, then maybe they'll respond to lack of sales.

I'm happy with 2 slots, so I'll be buying it. But those of you who really, really hate the lack of slots: Boycott GW until they give you more slots. Because, so far, these threads have done nothing but turn into flame traps.

Because.. Lovitar, 70 dollars to me, in life is really nothing. Just because I purchased it, doesn't mean I have to play it. I also am purchasing other old favourites coming out with new installments this season. I'll play which ever one suits my needs best and I enjoy the most. If AN decides to fix the issues with the game, and make it as keenly interesting to me, as CH 1 was to me before it became a gold sink bore, then I might continue to play.

Oh well, AN already got the 70 dollars from me, so what does it matter to them, right? Word of mouth is still by far, one of, if not the best form of advertisement.

More slots would do a lot to convince me to say better things about it though =D

/casts elemental resistance

Hey I just had an awesome idea!!!!

DON'T merge your CD-Keys - you get 8 slots!!!!

(WOW, thought about that for like a week now)

If you want your current characters in Tyria to be able to go to Cantha:

Buy a second copy of Factions and then.......wait for it.......

MERGE the CD-Keys!!!!!!!

You now have 10 SLOTS!!!!!

Have fun!!!!!

The devs explained that they didnt give extra slots because that would be unfair. If you would have 6 lvl20s of every character class, then everytime you want to do a mission for example you could choose exactly what class to have. But its more important that this is a problem for pvp. Plus you gotta consider that since every1 could have every single class this would mean that you would have excessions and disbalance between classes.

In my opinion they should have put 6 slots for the first game and added 2 slots in the second game.

We've been through this. People want 8 Linked slots.

Your solution is not a solution at all.

Can you tell me where you read / heard that?

Backbone?

Well unfortunately I don't think a lot happens from what we discuss in posts but who knows, maybe the slot chat helped to at least secure 2 slots for Faction players linking.

I wonder if people would have been so quick to swallow 5x100% > 8x50%, which it does and how they didn't have to give us any to keep even - yeah that'd be a great experience.

Sure we could boycott GW, I considered/even looked at selling my UAS account and starting anew [yeah Eula, but if someone here could make use of it directly due to their goofy restriction and need of 2 account and chapter paths to fully enjoy the game for some of us]. I'm only getting one copy tops, not two. I suppose their decision will have some financial impact.

This ongoing debate even rests almost soley on their shoulders. They waited a LONG time to let us know what was going on with it. Then maybe CE? Now maybe an eventual purchase option? And a lot of our game plans hinge on it.

And even where it doesn't directly hit the $ bottom line (if still play/buy) as Shadowfell said, word of mouth, heck even keeping friends in the game. A few of mine dropped out that I brought in - I didn't put up a fight. I haven't even suggested to my wife to get on board for Chp2 as the system gets even more complicated, I doubt she'd want to deal with coordinating faction, guilds, and all that jazz which seems to be more pervasive than first guess - my other friends were more casual as well. Cool ANet tries new things, people like to flog GUILD Wars, but hey Shadowbane tanked for a reason.

And again, to those that 'oppose', why do you guys keep coming to this topic like flies? We care about it - you're obviously ok with the offering or even take it upon yourselves to push the company line. Why?? Again I'd suggest you guys shove off and leave us to the thread(s) - we're still interested in change and/or some kind of option(s) and express our opinion.

We're only all too aware you guys are OK as is. So why not leave it?
Really we can have our discussions without you, or is there separation anxiety at work?

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Lyra Explains Fuzzy Math

What is there to discuss? Every single argument has been stated, ad nauseum.

I just don't see the point of these threads. Maybe you're right, I should just ignore them. But when people write crap about this is the same as blacks being persecuted and women's rights... well, I'm sorry, I'm gonna chime in.

(I know that wasn't you, but that's what sucked me back into this blackhole)

EDIT: Sorry for the backbone comment. I wasn't trying to say you don't have a backbone, that was rude.

If that's true, Anet really missed something.

Pure PvP character takes how long to re-roll? PvE takes how long to change secondary after you've done those missions?

On each side it takes at max ten minutes to make a new character or change the secondary. Getting the character you need for the situation is easy enough.
Classes are no where near balanced now as it is. Poor ele's have fallen from high damage dealers to support classes, just one example... I know, I finally deleted my seksi ele... /cry
Surely that can't be a real reason... at least I hope not. If it is, maybe they do need the Babysitters.

Because post count tallied during forum argument=leetsauce..DUH!!!




<./sarcasm> for those who just didn't get it.

Yup. Maybe one PvP only slot to boot. There, we're good for 2 chars a chapter linked now, everyones happy, none of all this BS.

Problem as is - there are so many flavors of the month builds ypu have to be flexible. ie Elementalists now sitting on the sidelines. But do I need to nuke an Ele who's done it all while I hope some day/chapter I'll want to bring them to the forefront again? Ooh now its Rangers. I don't have room for one. Monk? Well I just nuked that one to play the FPE on my account and plan to make a defensive Ritualist... I guess in the hopes they'll prove viable eh

The way PvE skills/elites don't transfer/arent available w/o rework makes it even more unlikely you'll want to give them up - my E/ME has 100% ele, mesmer, and a lot of other class skills.

And Mord Gaile chat logs suggested this dev mention of 'imbalance' long ago, think it was right before or around when the 100%/50% sprung up. Of course that imbalance line didn't make sense at all to those of us just wishing to experience each character w/o having to delete. And being bad people to want to be able to fill missing rolls in guild groups or let others play what they want and be flexible ourselves... meh. There was that more recent chat logs suggesting they may be willing to take our dollars instead. Can't say that's surprising Of course it may not happen at all either, or in a way that makes sense. Oh well.

Notice I said "IF".. in no way or form did I say "OMG they're being racially unjust to us or sexist".. I said, "IF" people stopped complaining about things they found wrong with the system and this applies to any system.. then nothing would get changed. I used those two poignant events in history to show that complaint has IMPACT. If you don't get the second paragraph, well, I can't help you there, but it was in no way shape or form attempting, or meant to imply racism, or sexism. Simply that, AN offered us half a pie with a few bites missing out of it.

I will not withdraw the statement, as it is my opinion, and my method of speaking. If anything, I could say that you used it as flame bait in a blatant attempt to get the thread closed.

Not fun when other people accuse you of ignorance, now is it. But it's not productive in this method you choose. Instead of jumping on the words, why don't you read for the meaning.

Well, I tried the "imbalance" argument myself, and found it didn't stick very well, not when you can just buy multiple accounts!

Sounds like Anet will say anything (imbalance, fuzzy math) except answer the question.

To me, your argument was (and still is) out of line. It demeans those real issues to compare them to content in a frickin' video game. As I said the first time: you have a choice (unlike those blacks or women). You don't have to play the game.

you are being sarcastic or a hypocryte.

many posts of we have a right to express an opinion but when someone posts an opposing point of view they are told to shove off if you want to only preach to the choir start your next thread with the strong heading that only posters that agree with me can post.

hypocracy at work

Nothing, and that's the point CKaz was trying to express. People just post here because they want more than 2 slots. There's no room for argument when people just state their desires.

Welcome to the world of public relations, as for the rest in the last post I won't even bother quoting. You just don't get it, and I won't waste my time presenting the argument to you with new words and flash cards. Ciao!

Buy 2 accounts then, you can have 12 slots (6 for each prophecies and factions, you can play 8 core classes and 4 PVP classes< its obvious this is the reason they limit the slots ...Duh)

If it is such a bore, why continue to support it?

you can always cancel your order, they dont have a dime of yours yet, they havent shipped.

so you want 2 more slots to play a gold sink bore? You are complaining that you dont like the gold sink bore, but want to more slots so you can continue the gold sink bore? makes perfect sence.

I have said it, I think they should give us 9 slots for merging (4 for prophecies + 4 for factions +1 for linking accounts and incentive for new players to purchase the older prophecies) but I think not having 2 slots and comparing that to racism is just plain ignorance, because racial hatred is nothing compared to you not having your way in a video game. You cheapen what has been done to a race of people and i am offended because neither has anything to do with each other. Your bigoted views of oppression is skewed and distorted and you really need to be educated on what racism is.

Yay, yet another person who hasn't read 100% of the thread. And as I also said, in a previous post, I said if people didn't care and hope for change, they wouldn't complain. yes, the game has become a gold-sink bore and you know why? Because a good majority of the people I enjoyed playing the game with, have quit because they are a: not happy with factions fpe and have logged out now to break off early, and b: because the game has become a huge, my stuff is better and more expensive than yours contest and because c: factions is denying them of the game playing experience they desire. When I first started playing prophecies, I was pretty excited, however, it was daunting to me, coming from an entirely different game type, to this, (FPS) I ended up shelving it, for almost 5 months before returning to it, that reason being because friends of mine were also going to the game. Seeing what it could really be like, all the different classes, and having the ability to play them all, was a real blast, until I see how cramped the slots quickly become. Without new things to do, people become bored and leave the game.

All of this was stated in the hopes that, people like me, still care about the game, and hate to see it die in our own social online game circles because of crap like a character slot, or a nerf, or whatever the complaint of the week is... but really without the complaints, nothing gets done about it, and disgruntled players continue to leave... What is not to get..And really, who wants to really delete their first created character who has now completed the game, and you have spent 1500+ hours and millions of in game gold on just to take a gamble with an assassin build or FotM.. That is what this entire post is about and people like you, keep seeing nothing but an analogy as if someone suddenly changed the topic to RACE BASHING... grow up.

One only has to read the first few posts to know that everything said here was repeated ten times over in other threads. So really there isn’t anything new you can say that has not already been beat to death. This only opens the door for certain trolls who are not buying the game and have said so out right. Those who don’t understand the merged accounts get six slots by now will never get it.


Thanks lyra_song for posting that, waiting to see the complicated pie charts lol.

/signed for thread to be closed.

Here's your offending post, Shadowfell. I don't care how you try to sell it, it IS offensive to me and others. I suggest you edit it, or you will continue to get comments you don't want.

Nope, I won't edit it, and I myself have requoted the post.

I think it is funny how you now try to bully me and yet I am the hypocrite?

the same small group of people starting and keeping these threads going (here and at other sites) are possibly doing more harm than good to their cause for more slots.

what the official people reading these threads all over is that there is a very small group that posts all over and repeat the same thing on many threads and sites.

that says to them we have a very tiny vocal minority which will have no effect on our bottom line and it is so reported.

many threads of the same people (for most) agreeing with each other and that is it.

cheers

And I don't think it's funny. At all. That's the problem...

I'm not trying to bully you, but don't post offensive crap, and then get all defensive when people call you on it.

If you're gonna start a fire, be prepared to take some heat.

Again.. a word used colourfully, and you miss it's point. Is everything always so black and white with you? Do I even need to ask..

You completely turned this thread around, not I.. with your whining and a complete annihilation of the point.. For your future thread trolling, I recommend a short and concise guide that is likely to help you with your methods and line of reasoning..






As for flames, I'm a fire sign.. I can burn all day long and it matters nothing to me.

yea i know what you mean Loviatar, ya just keep posting and posting...

Mordakai, No offense but if you dont like what she posted why dont you just not read this thread anymore?? Is there a reason that you must comment and continue to lengthen this most annoying and pointless arguement, not to mention adding more pages to this already dumb enough thread?? You dont like it to bad theres nothing you can do about it.. But you cant stiffle peoples comments or ideas.. Its there right Mordakai.. Its there right to say whatever they want.. Which includes shadowfell.. Now i suggest everyone just go back to acting like adults and go do something constructive..

yup

and what am i replying to if not the same thing to the same people?

this is getting tiresome so since the old saying

*a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still*

applies i will let this thread go as with the other of the same ilk

Hey, you're one who refuses to even acknowledge what you say is offensive.

If pointing out the obvious makes someone a troll, then I welcome the compliment.

I actually liked the OPs message, even though she could have toned down the emotes a little.

I'm just trying to keep this thread alive so Anet will get a chance to read it...

No your wrong, your ignorant and refuse to understand, i did not condem you for voicing your opinion, I even endorse actually having more character slots. I think you should post constructive critisism. But to compare arena net not giving you 2 character slots to black people being lynched, and not having the right to be full citizens of the USA is total ignarance and stupidity on your part. How is a man being hung from a tree for the color of his skin compare to you not having a PVP slot available when you want it?

How does a child because they have a dark skin color not allowed to ride in the front of the bus , because you want to play as all 8 core characters?

How does 4+4=6 compare to not having the right to vote because you have dark skin?

It doesnt, and to even try to stretch the 2 together just shows the lack of intelligence you hold. I never once in my reply to you I disagreed with wawnting more slots. I disagreed that comparing 6 slots = racism and if you bothered to read it before responding on a tirade, in which you know nothing about, you might have saw I actually agree with you. Voice your concerns, ask Anet for more slots, but quit trying to compare 8 slots to civil rights struggles. A+3 does not equal pineapple according to your calculations.