Introducing the new Wammo model for 2006! With a redesigned exterior and a lighter chassis, this new Wammo is guaranteed to frustrate monks from Tyria to Cantha. Ladies, Gentlemen and GW addicts, I give to you... The Assassin!
Seriously, I'm hoping this gets better. I know it's only day 4, but these guys drop like flies. Even with max armor they drop like flies. I know part of it is the players fault, hence my wammo scenario. Too many people that I've seen are playing Assassins like John Wayne tanks. At the same time... they do have melee weapons and skills based on melee. I think maybe a better armor class should be available to them, perhaps a hard compromise between ranger and warrior... and then add in the bonuses.
Right now we got a guy with caster armor fighting on the front line with a pair of kitchen knives. I know they can do massive damage, but at the rate they drop I'd settle for another Warrior who just does slightly massive damage and lives to tell about it.
For PvEers: Introducing the New Wammo!
Edge Martinez
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Originally Posted by Edge Martinez
Right now we got a guy with caster armor fighting on the front line with a pair of kitchen knives. I know they can do massive damage, but at the rate they drop I'd settle for another Warrior who just does slightly massive damage and lives to tell about it.
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broodijzer
a bit like suicide terrorists?
got lah
Ninjas don't like heavy armor.
Gg.
Gg.
Renegade ++RIP++
i love blurring them, see them whimper when they miss their lead strike 
jonnybegood
yeah it is absolutely the players fault. No time ever should an Assasin be up there with the wars at the start of a battle. there job is to stay in back until 10-15 seconds after the battle has started, then they can do all the dmg needed.
Skarjak
I did the first mission with 3 assassins in my party (I being a restoration magic Rt/Mo, I figured out that with no one making monks, I would get in parties in under ten seconds, and I was right ).
I can say the only reasons we survived the boss are weapon warding and union.
The assassins were constantly charging ahead, and I was always telling them to wait so that I could cast union, but no, they just charged ahead and I wasted 3 seconds of healing time casting that spirit. Or I didn't cast it at all and they health dropped really fast.
And intelligently played assassin can actually be good. If you see a ritualist in your party, ask him if he uses spirit (he most probably does). If so, a no attribute assassin spell that costs 5 allows you to shadow step to allied spririts. Please use it when you get low on health or when there seems to be too many monsters around you.
Please.
I can say the only reasons we survived the boss are weapon warding and union.
The assassins were constantly charging ahead, and I was always telling them to wait so that I could cast union, but no, they just charged ahead and I wasted 3 seconds of healing time casting that spirit. Or I didn't cast it at all and they health dropped really fast.
And intelligently played assassin can actually be good. If you see a ritualist in your party, ask him if he uses spirit (he most probably does). If so, a no attribute assassin spell that costs 5 allows you to shadow step to allied spririts. Please use it when you get low on health or when there seems to be too many monsters around you.
Please.
Esprit
Even when I used the monk elite Life Sheath on the assassin in my party, his health still dropped like a rock.
When I comment that he was hard to heal, he said we were doing a good job. At that point I wanted to hit him upside the head and say, "That's because 2 monks and Mhenlo are bottoming out their energy trying to keep you alive."
When I comment that he was hard to heal, he said we were doing a good job. At that point I wanted to hit him upside the head and say, "That's because 2 monks and Mhenlo are bottoming out their energy trying to keep you alive."
Arkantos
I made my PvE assassin before ritualist...and im disappointed. 60dp By the third fight lol....There meleers, but there armour sucks big time.
Tainek
I think people misunderstand the assassin.
His job isnt to always be up front attacking, the assassin should see a wounded target, shadow to the target, hit off a 4 hit combo, and then shadow away a few seconds later.
in short, his job is to fire off short bursts of high damage against a target.
(also, assassin+orders necro = Very quick death for squishies)
His job isnt to always be up front attacking, the assassin should see a wounded target, shadow to the target, hit off a 4 hit combo, and then shadow away a few seconds later.
in short, his job is to fire off short bursts of high damage against a target.
(also, assassin+orders necro = Very quick death for squishies)
Iskrah
Assassin are not "meleers". Tainek got it right.
I barely started Factions' campaign and I already got my fair share of A/Mo or A/W who complain about the "monks" after they aggro'd every mob possible. I actually ask them what they played before, and 3 of them would say W/Mo... No kidding, I figured...
I barely started Factions' campaign and I already got my fair share of A/Mo or A/W who complain about the "monks" after they aggro'd every mob possible. I actually ask them what they played before, and 3 of them would say W/Mo... No kidding, I figured...
Overnite
That's why I always nicely ask my party leader to kick all assassins and I leave and start my own party if he doesn't.
Xenrath
Ninja cannot die!
HHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIII-YAH!
HHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIII-YAH!
Konrow
You aren't supposed to use them as tanks. its guerilla warfare out there. run in, hit like crazy with the combos them run back until they recharge and then run back. With many of the assassins skills this is made easy. its hard to master, but once you do it works wonders. trust me.
LoKi Foxfire
Assassins are not meant to take damage, hence he/she shouldn't be on the front lines. If they're just standing there getting whooped on they're not playing the class right. :<
Fred Kiwi
its a shame, i reckon it could be really interesting to play an assassin. But I don't think I will with all the other wammo assassins
broodijzer
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Originally Posted by Overnite
That's why I always nicely ask my party leader to kick all assassins and I leave and start my own party if he doesn't.
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Str0b0
I'm incredibly disappointed with the assassin profession as a whole. Too little armor, not enough avoidance skills and a crappy primary attribute. Sounds like the warrior strength attribute all over again. I'm deleting my sin. I like my ritualist better.
Sagius Truthbarron
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Originally Posted by Overnite
That's why I always nicely ask my party leader to kick all assassins and I leave and start my own party if he doesn't.
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So funny, all the people complaining becuase they don't know how to use the Assasin properly. "Too little armor"? 85 is too little for you? What armor are you wearing? Not to mention the fact that the Assasin is loaded with self heals, evasion skills, and the best kiting skills in the game.
If you're running in first with your A/W and using Dolyak Signet, well, that's your problem, not the class'.
90% of you are judging the whole class by how it behaves in the pre-searing area. If you can't keep up with a class that has no run skills, there's something wrong. Target+spacebar. Any good Assassins would be using Henchies, anyway, not pugging about.
calamitykell
After trying the second mission on the island with 3 assassins, who all thought "LOL I CAN TELEPORT LOZL" would save them, so they could rush on without me, their monk, I gave up.
So now I absolutely refuse assassins in my party. Period.
So now I absolutely refuse assassins in my party. Period.
Stolen Souls
Yeah, in almost every team I've been on, the Assassin(s) have always been the first to go down. And they go down FAST. The poor Monks are SERIOUSLY gonna have their hands full until people realize that Assassins take strategy to play. And the fact that there are SO many of them doesn't really help matters much. :/
However, saying "Don't take ANY Assassins" is a bit far, IMO. The same people that say this are the ones that say "Don't take Mesmers they suck" or "OMG Wammo...KICK!".
However, saying "Don't take ANY Assassins" is a bit far, IMO. The same people that say this are the ones that say "Don't take Mesmers they suck" or "OMG Wammo...KICK!".
aron searle
I have to be honest, as a healer im just going to aviod having assasins in my group or joining groups with them.
Oh yea there may be a fair few people that know how to play them, and there is nothing wrong with the class (mostly), but ive yet to find any people who can play it.
Im not wasting my spare time entering a mission and failing because all the ones ive played with so far want to act like "typical whammos".
Oh yea there may be a fair few people that know how to play them, and there is nothing wrong with the class (mostly), but ive yet to find any people who can play it.
Im not wasting my spare time entering a mission and failing because all the ones ive played with so far want to act like "typical whammos".
makosi
I saw an 'assassadin' today for the first time. A/Mo with mending and healing hands! It just shows that old habits die hard - thats the true new wammo.
Sidra
I feel hurt... hehe. Now my assassin won't be able to get anywhere. I never group with more than 1 other ssin on my toon, and even then, its usually with a guildie. I understand their limitations, but please, stop the hatred people. Not all of us ninja-posers are useless >.> I think that me never having played a warrior helps a bit. The thing is, ssins have to kite a LOT. You should also try to keep regen on yourself almost constantly, barring mending. Just make sure you realize that your character isn't Clint Eastwood before charging in and you should make it out ok.
Stolen Souls
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Originally Posted by Sidra
I feel hurt... hehe. Now my assassin won't be able to get anywhere. I never group with more than 1 other ssin on my toon, and even then, its usually with a guildie. I understand their limitations, but please, stop the hatred people. Not all of us ninja-posers are useless >.> I think that me never having played a warrior helps a bit. The thing is, ssins have to kite a LOT. You should also try to keep regen on yourself almost constantly, barring mending. Just make sure you realize that your character isn't Clint Eastwood before charging in and you should make it out ok.
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heh heh, seems like the Assassin will be joining the ranks of the W/Mo and the Mes. Even though there are a select few "good" ones out there, people are gonna assume they all suck. Stereotypes FTL.
Kaguya
From what I played with Assassin on the preview it worked real nice, important part was to shadow step like crazy when anyone even looked at you. That's what the henchmen assassins do as well, they keep bouncing from place to place (only bad thing that they usually bounce into another group of monsters )
Anyways, not playing on my assassin until the "7 assassins looking for monk" teams dissipate.. Nor bringing my monk to Cantha just yet either.
(and my warrior is whammo most of the time!!1 ... for Succor. Adrealine builds r whee)
Anyways, not playing on my assassin until the "7 assassins looking for monk" teams dissipate.. Nor bringing my monk to Cantha just yet either.
(and my warrior is whammo most of the time!!1 ... for Succor. Adrealine builds r whee)
Morgana
I can't speak for Factions(don't have it yet
), but in the FPE I believe Assassins had max 70 AL. That's plenty. They shouldn't be soloing a warrior or a burning titan anyway. I'd also like to say that every class has its own self-healing skills, and as a monk, I'd be more than happy if they would take some of those instead of another leet damage skill. 
I could say more... I had a lot of fun playing an assassin in the FPE, and I'll admit that them being ninjas was the initial attraction. But I like to think I got past that, and I'm sure the henchies would agree with me.
), but in the FPE I believe Assassins had max 70 AL. That's plenty. They shouldn't be soloing a warrior or a burning titan anyway. I'd also like to say that every class has its own self-healing skills, and as a monk, I'd be more than happy if they would take some of those instead of another leet damage skill. I could say more... I had a lot of fun playing an assassin in the FPE, and I'll admit that them being ninjas was the initial attraction. But I like to think I got past that, and I'm sure the henchies would agree with me.
Alleji
IMO Assassin is the weakest primary in the game. I have yet to see a good one. They drop like flies, so they lose to a Warrior in terms of effectiveness. To avoid that they need to sneak about and whatnot. If they're sneaking, they're not doing damage and losing to the warrior again.
Not to mention how aegis, guardian, blurred vision, etc completely destroys an assassin. Sure, it hurts a warrior, but only reducing his damage output by 50%. Making assassin miss combo moves reduces his output by what? 80? 90%? Assassin swinging away with his base attack does pathetic damage.
Oh and don't get me started on AI assassins. In the city, I usually took my necro and 4 henches to do the quests (party of 8 is really too boring. Plus, more drops :P) and we had troubles and occasionally lost against balanced groups of 6+ mobs. However, when 6 ninjas drop out of they sky, they're usually left dead on the ground within 20-30 seconds. Go figure.
Not to mention how aegis, guardian, blurred vision, etc completely destroys an assassin. Sure, it hurts a warrior, but only reducing his damage output by 50%. Making assassin miss combo moves reduces his output by what? 80? 90%? Assassin swinging away with his base attack does pathetic damage.
Oh and don't get me started on AI assassins. In the city, I usually took my necro and 4 henches to do the quests (party of 8 is really too boring. Plus, more drops :P) and we had troubles and occasionally lost against balanced groups of 6+ mobs. However, when 6 ninjas drop out of they sky, they're usually left dead on the ground within 20-30 seconds. Go figure.
Imaginos
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Originally Posted by calamitykell
After trying the second mission on the island with 3 assassins, who all thought "LOL I CAN TELEPORT LOZL" would save them, so they could rush on without me, their monk, I gave up.
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EternalTempest
I'm playing a combat class (aka assasin) for the 1st time. I never played war.
After a short bit of playing it (still in "pre") was apparant me to me there not meant to be on the front line. When I take npc's the war tank is alway in my party.
I'm goint to have to learn to live w/ what war/mo (I plan to be in the I know how to play my character camp) go through in pugs..
My other character is a monk so I know the flip side.
After a short bit of playing it (still in "pre") was apparant me to me there not meant to be on the front line. When I take npc's the war tank is alway in my party.
I'm goint to have to learn to live w/ what war/mo (I plan to be in the I know how to play my character camp) go through in pugs..
My other character is a monk so I know the flip side.
Sidrakket
Huh, whats wrong with mesmers? The only pve character i ever played through was a mesmer, so i was never usualy with another one. 0_0 Mesmers can unload alot of damage fast on predictable mob ai.
Also, W/Mo are good things dammit=P A regular rez is useful 0_0. And some of the smiting buffs are also useful. Balthazars spirit? Great for a tank. I personaly like w/n better, but w/mo are good things. Also life bond. Warriors come with built in damage-negating properties so they dont even need that high of a protection skill to take almost nothing.
Also, W/Mo are good things dammit=P A regular rez is useful 0_0. And some of the smiting buffs are also useful. Balthazars spirit? Great for a tank. I personaly like w/n better, but w/mo are good things. Also life bond. Warriors come with built in damage-negating properties so they dont even need that high of a protection skill to take almost nothing.
Red Locust
Assassins can put out a lot of damage quickly, but they are also really fragile on the front lines. You need to support them until they can get their hits in and get out of the fray. Don't just sit there expecting that they'll tank and heal themselves, then complain that they die too fast.
shmek
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Originally Posted by Str0b0
I'm incredibly disappointed with the assassin profession as a whole. Too little armor, not enough avoidance skills and a crappy primary attribute. Sounds like the warrior strength attribute all over again. I'm deleting my sin. I like my ritualist better.
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Spura
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Originally Posted by Red Locust
Assassins can put out a lot of damage quickly, but they are also really fragile on the front lines. You need to support them until they can get their hits in and get out of the fray. Don't just sit there expecting that they'll tank and heal themselves, then complain that they die too fast.
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RotteN
Death Nova + Putrid explosion
best assassin DPS you'll ever get
use it in combination with unyielding aura for even bigger fun :P
death nova - assassin dies - putrid - unyielding - death nova - cancel unyielding - putrid
best assassin DPS you'll ever get
use it in combination with unyielding aura for even bigger fun :P
death nova - assassin dies - putrid - unyielding - death nova - cancel unyielding - putrid
Red Locust
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Originally Posted by Spura
The fact that they have to run around and actually only attack enough to get their combo off just makes their DPS even lower. Warriors had higher DPS anyway, and this make warrior DPS even higher compared to assassin. Also warrior tanks for weaker classes. Assassin doesn't. So he goes in unloads 4 attack skills and runs. That just sucks. Nobody cares about spiking in pve. Warrior deals consistent damage while tanking.
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Don Zardeone
Hmm, I think the assasin will be the new mesmer.
Rarely used in PvE but standard partymember in PvP
Rarely used in PvE but standard partymember in PvP
asmo
I don't know what you guys are talking about, i can keep my assassin well alive, i have done absolutely everything so far with a henchman group of warrior, monk, and ritualist, and i usually dont die at all, actually, ive died 1-2 times in 11+lvls i bring a healing skill or two, no rez, i have 3 lead attacks, 1 offhand, one that you use after offhand, then disrupt, one lead attack causes bleeding, another offhand thing causes bleeding also.
Dahl
Good, I'm glad you all hate the assassin.
That just means I will shock and surprise people in tombs and gvg, and that is what leads to victory.
Yes, it's true that assassins only suck if the player sucks.
Yes, it's true their armor is sorta bad, but they have much higher melee power than warriors.
Not long ago I played the lead warrior role in one of the higher up guilds.
Then I got on the preview on the assassin and entered 12v12.
The other assassins were idiots, they had no idea what they were doing, and used poor skills.
I really was an assassin. I dropped players faster than I ever could on a warrior.
That just means I will shock and surprise people in tombs and gvg, and that is what leads to victory.
Yes, it's true that assassins only suck if the player sucks.
Yes, it's true their armor is sorta bad, but they have much higher melee power than warriors.
Not long ago I played the lead warrior role in one of the higher up guilds.
Then I got on the preview on the assassin and entered 12v12.
The other assassins were idiots, they had no idea what they were doing, and used poor skills.
I really was an assassin. I dropped players faster than I ever could on a warrior.
Iskrah
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Originally Posted by Dahl
Good, I'm glad you all hate the assassin.
That just means I will shock and surprise people in tombs and gvg, and that is what leads to victory. Yes, it's true that assassins only suck if the player sucks. Yes, it's true their armor is sorta bad, but they have much higher melee power than warriors. Not long ago I played the lead warrior role in one of the higher up guilds. Then I got on the preview on the assassin and entered 12v12. The other assassins were idiots, they had no idea what they were doing, and used poor skills. I really was an assassin. I dropped players faster than I ever could on a warrior. |
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