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salaboB

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

08 May 2006 at 07:34 - 161

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Originally Posted by scars of insanity

6x100% is still true. over 6 diferent characters you can explore 100% of the land. IT NEVER SAID ANYWHERE 1x100%. IT SAID 6x100%.

Nice math.

6 x 100% = 600%, right? Unfortunately my 6 characters each get (say) 90%, so it's actually 540%. Therefore 6 x 100% is not true, and your 1 x 100% example was indeed promised because it must be true if 6 x 100% = 600% is true (And Gaile did describe it that way).

CK0

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

08 May 2006 at 08:01 - 162

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Originally Posted by EndoftheSyringe

I also think we are being too greedy. Poor Anet is getting ranted at by a LOT of people while they are trying to make everyone happy and they aren't even getting a monthly income.

They designed the game knowing that they would not be supporting a monthly fee. That "defense" does not work. I have no sympathy.

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Originally Posted by EndoftheSyringe

And here they are, checking multiple forums everyday, reading requests, trying to implement things for everyone. We should be complaining about bigger problems, like the elite missions, and actual GAME problems, like broken mechanics, not, "I can't do everything I want," problems.

There are actual gameplay problems as well? Geez, GWF is plagued with more problems than I thought.

Xenrath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/Me

08 May 2006 at 08:54 - 163

About the greed/expense thing, it would have cost Anet nothing to allow full access. When you buy a copy of Factions you've already paid for 4 slots extra (and merging it with Prophecies in fact loses you space on the server) so that's a mute argument.

If it was stated from the get go "you can merge but your Cantha characters won't be able to do anything from before LA" I wonder how many people would still have merged their accounts?

felinette

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Girl Power [GP]

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08 May 2006 at 17:26 - 164

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Originally Posted by EndoftheSyringe

I think it is good how it is. I also think we are being too greedy.

No, we're just disappointed that we didn't get what Anet said we'd get. Anet encouraged us to link accounts (probably because it's better for them--less characters to store) by telling us that our six character slots would have access to 100% content in Tyria and Cantha, vs. eight character slots, four of which have access to 100% content in Tyria and four with access to 100% in Cantha. Hence the 6 x 100% vs. 8 x 50% comparison. Those two equations taken together strongly suggest that Tyrian and Canthan characters would have access to all missions/quests on both continents if you linked accounts. There's nothing in there suggesting that pre-LA storyline missions would be off-limits to Canthan characters. Personally, I never expected the training areas to be included so that doesn't bother me. But the pre-LA missions should be doable by Canthans.

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

08 May 2006 at 17:32 - 165

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Originally Posted by felinette

No, we're just disappointed that we didn't get what Anet said we'd get. Anet encouraged us to link accounts (probably because it's better for them--less characters to store) by telling us that our six character slots would have access to 100% content in Tyria and Cantha, vs. eight character slots, four of which have access to 100% content in Tyria and four with access to 100% in Cantha. Hence the 6 x 100% vs. 8 x 50% comparison. Those two equations taken together strongly suggest that Tyrian and Canthan characters would have access to all missions/quests on both continents if you linked accounts. There's nothing in there suggesting that pre-LA storyline missions would be off-limits to Canthan characters. Personally, I never expected the training areas to be included so that doesn't bother me. But the pre-LA missions should be doable by Canthans.

You got EXACTLY what ANet said... you just misinterpreted what was said to hear what you wanted. You have 6 character slots with access to 100% of the games, both Prophesies and Factions. If you didn't link, you'd have two games with 4 slots each and access to only one game, or 50% of the games available.

Yes, yes... it could be and was interpreted differently by some. As I said before, 6x100% was a poor phrase to use. However, they didn't lie to anyone. They said explicitly before that you'd have 6 slots with access to both worlds instead of two games, four slots each with access only to their particular game.

felinette

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Girl Power [GP]

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08 May 2006 at 17:43 - 166

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Yes, yes... it could be and was interpreted differently by some. As I said before, 6x100% was a poor phrase to use. However, they didn't lie to anyone. They said explicitly before that you'd have 6 slots with access to both worlds instead of two games, four slots each with access only to their particular game.

I didn't see anything except the 6x100% statement. I think we both agree that the 6x100% statement was vague and open to interpretation, and many people interpreted things the same way I did--it wasn't unreasonable to do so. There really is no reason why Canthan characters should be shut out of any Tyrian storyline mission (I agree that pre-searing wouldn't make sense), so people assumed they'd be able to do all of them. Anyway, I'll know better next time. I won't be preordering, but waiting for reviews, and if chapter 3 goes all PvP, which wouldn't surprise me, I won't be buying at all so it'll be a moot point for me.

Vel Satis

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

No guild as yet

08 May 2006 at 18:28 - 167

If an unmerged account gets 8 x 50% then one whole game (pre-searing and all missions) must logically equal 50% of the total available, i.e for 1 unmerged char you get 1 x 50%. To get 100% for that same char you must then have two full games (pre-searing and all missions).

If pre-searing isn't counted then it still works exactly the same way.

So basically, if you don't merge your accounts you certainly do get 8 x 50%. If you do merge your accounts you do not get 6 x 100%.

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

08 May 2006 at 18:44 - 168

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Originally Posted by Vel Satis

If an unmerged account gets 8 x 50% then one whole game (pre-searing and all missions) must logically equal 50% of the total available, i.e for 1 unmerged char you get 1 x 50%. To get 100% for that same char you must then have two full games (pre-searing and all missions).

If pre-searing isn't counted then it still works exactly the same way.

So basically, if you don't merge your accounts you certainly do get 8 x 50%. If you do merge your accounts you do not get 6 x 100%.

Depends how you define 100%. The intent was the number of games you can access. Consider chapter three... if you link it, you then will have 'n' number of slots with access to 100% of the chapters you are linked to... If not, and you have all three non-linked, then you have three games with four slots each, but each group of four has access to 33% of the chapters that they would have had if linked.

If you link every subsequent chapter, then your characters will have 100% of the available chapters to access. This does not and should not be taken to mean 100% of every quest or mission.

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

16 May 2006 at 05:16 - 169

This is a rather old thread, now, but I wanted to refresh it so you'd know we were working on things. That is, we definitely understand that players would like the opportunity to play through all the missions in both lands. And the good news is that we're going to make that happen. Now, it doesn't make sense to take a character of high level through starter missions and still expect a reward. (There's something unsavory about a Level 20 reaping a skill point for a newbie mission.

) But the opportunity to participate in the early missions in both lands will be opened within the next couple of weeks. You'll be able to fully explore both Cantha and Tyria with characters on your merged account. You will be able to play the early missions in Tyria as a Canthan, and in Cantha as a Tyrian. You will also be able to strive for a full list of titles in each land, so no choosing "Explorer of "X" and not "Y."

With every release there are tweaks and adjustments that can and should be made. Thanks for the feedback, and an extra thanks to those who took the time and trouble to post their ideas and their suggestions in such a positive way!

Talon one

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

ice

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16 May 2006 at 07:09 - 170

yay now i can go for the canthan exploration title with my warrior

*starts to explore every last corner during capping runs*

Xenrath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/Me

16 May 2006 at 09:11 - 171

Good stuff, thanks for the update! It didn't really make any sense that high level Tyria chars could go back and do any mission/quest and merged account Canthans couldn't. Thanks, nice work

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

16 May 2006 at 10:30 - 172

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

This is a rather old thread, now, but I wanted to refresh it so you'd know we were working on things. That is, we definitely understand that players would like the opportunity to play through all the missions in both lands. And the good news is that we're going to make that happen. Now, it doesn't make sense to take a character of high level through starter missions and still expect a reward. (There's something unsavory about a Level 20 reaping a skill point for a newbie mission.

) But the opportunity to participate in the early missions in both lands will be opened within the next couple of weeks. You'll be able to fully explore both Cantha and Tyria with characters on your merged account. You will be able to play the early missions in Tyria as a Canthan, and in Cantha as a Tyrian. You will also be able to strive for a full list of titles in each land, so no choosing "Explorer of "X" and not "Y."

With every release there are tweaks and adjustments that can and should be made. Thanks for the feedback, and an extra thanks to those who took the time and trouble to post their ideas and their suggestions in such a positive way!

Wii~~~

The voice of Anet speaks o.o This should make a lot of people happy.

Tijger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/E

16 May 2006 at 10:41 - 173

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Wii~~~

The voice of Anet speaks o.o This should make a lot of people happy.

Nah, dont worry, they'll find something else to bitch and moan about like not getting a skill point for Across the Wall with their lv 20 Canthan character with 15K armor and green/gold items and elite skills. Just wait and see.

CK0

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

16 May 2006 at 11:39 - 174

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Originally Posted by Tijger

Nah, dont worry, they'll find something else to bitch and moan about like not getting a skill point for Across the Wall with their lv 20 Canthan character with 15K armor and green/gold items and elite skills. Just wait and see.

Are you serious? Do you think people complain just for the fun of it? Get a grip. If you cannot handle the complaints, that is your problem to deal with.

Tijger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/E

16 May 2006 at 11:46 - 175

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Originally Posted by CK0

Are you serious? Do you think people complain just for the fun of it? Get a grip. If you cannot handle the complaints, that is your problem to deal with.

Actually, yeah, I do think some people bitch and moan just to bitch and moan. It's a way to get attention and 'support', just like fanboism is, here we also see the opposite of fanboism appearing which is that anything that doesnt confirm 100% to the expectations of some is trashed.
Some of it goes way beyond complaining especially lately and I find that reprehenisble.

I dont have a problem, btw, I'm merely stating my predictions which is that no matter what there will be complaints which has been the case since day one. If you disagree on that then perhaps you should reread posts of the last year.

mqstout

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Pittsburgh

16 May 2006 at 13:32 - 176

Has Gaile or anyone ever addressed the "Tyrians can't access Canthan missions/Canthans can't access Tyrian missions" issue?

Jessyi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/

16 May 2006 at 13:54 - 177

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Originally Posted by mqstout

Has Gaile or anyone ever addressed the "Tyrians can't access Canthan missions/Canthans can't access Tyrian missions" issue?

Did you read anything posted in this thread...?

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

16 May 2006 at 14:58 - 178

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Originally Posted by mqstout

Has Gaile or anyone ever addressed the "Tyrians can't access Canthan missions/Canthans can't access Tyrian missions" issue?

7 Posts above yours.

Rakeris

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Illinois

Feners Reve

16 May 2006 at 16:06 - 179

Great, it's good to know that we will be able to compleate all the missions with any character. I agree with the no skills points for high level characters, as it would be a very simple mission. But skill points don't really matter in the slighest anyway.

Garreth MacLeod

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

16 May 2006 at 16:27 - 180

Excellent news Gaile. (second good news I've heard today)

Tijger, I would certainly hope that people wouldn't complain about not getting a skill point. I've been a proponent for opening up the early missions to Canthans (and vice versa for Tyrians) but I certainly don't expect a skill point for it. I just want to go for the Protector or the Explorer title.

Fyre Brand

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Shadowlight Order [SoR]

16 May 2006 at 16:31 - 181

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Wii~~~

The voice of Anet speaks o.o This should make a lot of people happy.

Yes it will. It does make me happy. I'm glad they are working on the kinks of the new content. Thank you Gaile for the feedback.

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Originally Posted by tijger

Actually, yeah, I do think some people bitch and moan just to bitch and moan. It's a way to get attention and 'support', just like fanboism is, here we also see the opposite of fanboism appearing which is that anything that doesnt confirm 100% to the expectations of some is trashed.

You're right some people do like to bitch and complain for no reason. Just like some people like to troll and posture on their soap boxes. But I agree with CK0 here that certain complaints are valid. ANet is a company that wants to sell us their game, and we are consumers who want to buy it. A little communication goes along way to making that successful.

CyberNigma

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

San Antonio, TX

W/R

16 May 2006 at 16:55 - 182

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

This is a rather old thread, now, but I wanted to refresh it so you'd know we were working on things. That is, we definitely understand that players would like the opportunity to play through all the missions in both lands. And the good news is that we're going to make that happen. Now, it doesn't make sense to take a character of high level through starter missions and still expect a reward. (There's something unsavory about a Level 20 reaping a skill point for a newbie mission.

) But the opportunity to participate in the early missions in both lands will be opened within the next couple of weeks. You'll be able to fully explore both Cantha and Tyria with characters on your merged account. You will be able to play the early missions in Tyria as a Canthan, and in Cantha as a Tyrian. You will also be able to strive for a full list of titles in each land, so no choosing "Explorer of "X" and not "Y."

With every release there are tweaks and adjustments that can and should be made. Thanks for the feedback, and an extra thanks to those who took the time and trouble to post their ideas and their suggestions in such a positive way!

Thank you, Gaile, for the update. As I mentioned to these folks earlier in the thread (a few times in fact), I had some confidence that ArenaNet had something planned (such as the posibility of going there to liberating Ascalon after finishing Precipice - just an idea, not an expectation), and that it just wasn't going to be in the same order as Tyrians would get it in. Even though I was just throwing out ideas, I'm glad you were able to confirm to everyone that there was indeed something being worked on, and doing so without spoiling that surprise :-) It would suck to know what the surprise is before getting there..

As much as I'v complained about (other) things, remember that those complaints were concerning NCSoft and ANet in general and never towards you.. That would be like blaming the previous White House Press Agent for official statements. You're the messenger and I imagine are doing a great job with what you've got to work with....keep it up.. I would suggest that everyone else finish the game with their Canthans and see if anything comes up. After all, we didn't get the Titan Quests right away (rather a dreadful boat trip to a particular port)..

Heretics Fork

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

16 May 2006 at 20:33 - 183

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Originally Posted by Rakeris

Great, it's good to know that we will be able to compleate all the missions with any character. I agree with the no skills points for high level characters, as it would be a very simple mission. But skill points don't really matter in the slighest anyway.

Skill points matter in the most important of ways if you're the type that can only PvE so much before it makes you sick. Capping all the elites you can the first time through makes a huge difference on what you have to buy with faction. With all the new skills available for every class, I can keep changing secondary classes and buying/capping all the new skills with the 1 char and then keep my time freed up for PvP and using the faction on runes and upgrades.

Rakeris

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Illinois

Feners Reve

17 May 2006 at 16:41 - 184

Hm, I suppose I see what you mean, I've really never had a problem with either, I have 70+ skills points on my main characters, and for PvP I just spend my faction on whatever I feel like buying, as I have no use for it. But then I PvE a fair amount as well, so for people who don't PvE much they would be important I imagine.

Tijger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/E

17 May 2006 at 17:11 - 185

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Originally Posted by Fyre Brand

You're right some people do like to bitch and complain for no reason. Just like some people like to troll and posture on their soap boxes. But I agree with CK0 here that certain complaints are valid. ANet is a company that wants to sell us their game, and we are consumers who want to buy it. A little communication goes along way to making that successful.

Well, its not even been implemented yet and lo and behold, a thread complaining there (possibly, who knows at this point anyway) wouldnt be a reward for the early Tyria missions.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3036391

I rest my case

Yes, some complaints are definitely valid but there is a tendency to complain about everything and anything and the tone of it is getting very aggresive, nasty and personal recently, imho.
As I see it, Anet is damned if they do communicate and are damned if they dont, any snippet is seized upon in future to launch diatribes in the vein of "but they promised us X or Y and I am sueing them!".

In all fairness, thats only an issue on forums such as these, the massive silent majority that plays and enjoys the game is more often then not unheard because they dont feel the need to voice their opinion.

Fyre Brand

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Shadowlight Order [SoR]

17 May 2006 at 17:29 - 186

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tijger

Well, its not even been implemented yet and lo and behold, a thread complaining there (possibly, who knows at this point anyway) wouldnt be a reward for the early Tyria missions.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3036391

I rest my case

Yes, some complaints are definitely valid but there is a tendency to complain about everything and anything and the tone of it is getting very aggresive, nasty and personal recently, imho.
As I see it, Anet is damned if they do communicate and are damned if they dont, any snippet is seized upon in future to launch diatribes in the vein of "but they promised us X or Y and I am sueing them!".

In all fairness, thats only an issue on forums such as these, the massive silent majority that plays and enjoys the game is more often then not unheard because they dont feel the need to voice their opinion.

Like I said some people will always bitch and those that troll with no good input will catch it and point it out and still say nothing relevent. The point is that a majority of people who take the time to formulate an opinion and suggestions for game improvement do appreciate this.

While there is a lot of complaining and whining there is still input and ideas that the game companies can use whether they implement them as the users request or not. It's a source of free information. Most any programmer loves as much input from the end user as possible. Just because you have the input doesn't mean you will use that in your code.

sigried

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Honduras

Ye Old

W/Mo

17 May 2006 at 17:35 - 187

if im not confused cantha problems starts after the profecies problems so that is why you cant acces missions.

Problem ended.

CK0

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

17 May 2006 at 22:29 - 188

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tijger

I rest my case

And what is your case? That people will continue to complain? Well obviously. And what was your reasoning for pointing it out in the first place? You said you did not have a problem with it, so why mention it at all? It seems from your post that you lump ALL complaints, even those constructive ones, together, like they are a bad thing.

Fyre Brand said it best, so I suggest you read it, for your own sake.

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Originally Posted by Fyre Brand

Like I said some people will always bitch and those that troll with no good input will catch it and point it out and still say nothing relevent. The point is that a majority of people who take the time to formulate an opinion and suggestions for game improvement do appreciate this.

C.k.0.

yamero

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

18 May 2006 at 18:08 - 189

been reading this thread for the last hour or so...
heres my conclusion....

the thing that started this thread is the inability to get 100% in all titles..
most of you who posted here dont care about content,dont care about storyline.

you just want the title
if there werent any titles there wouldnt be this thread

why not ask anet to remove the titles thing altogether....
there problem solved

most have a ridiculous requirement anyway...

TwinRaven

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

18 May 2006 at 22:01 - 190

wah...gadzukes! I'm so tired of the griping. I don't want my higher end character running through "noob island" anyway...and why for frack's sake would you want a high end Canthan in "noobville" Tyria...get over it! If you need naga pelts, buy them or create a canthan character to farm them...you have access to all the content even if your individual characters dont....stop whining!!!! grrrrr.....