Really, people just don't get it, they are living in their own world where they make the rules or they dictate what is what.
I'm not saying it's right that the EXTRA content is locked out.
So what happened to 6 x 100% content math
Masseur
felinette
And everyone is trying to explain to you why it isn't EXTRA content. You think seven storyline missions are extra content?
Omni Spirit
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And everyone is trying to explain to you why it isn't EXTRA content. You think seven storyline missions are extra content?
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Draygo Korvan
you get 6x100% of the level 20 content.
felinette
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you get 6x100% of the level 20 content.
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MSecorsky
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But that's not what they said we'd get. The 100% wasn't qualified. Qualifying it after the fact is pointless.
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Draygo Korvan
This thread is still pointless. It is a matter of interpretation. My account has access to 100% of the content in both games. Just because one character cant get 100% of the content at one time (which we know is impossible ANYWAY you cant participate in the ascalon/shiverpeak arenas at level 20, you cant go to pre-searing with a canthan character or tyrian character for that matter). So If I interpret it that way, i have 6x100% content. Six character slots that can access with deletion 100% of the content. Currently my lvl 20 Tyrian character is locked out of some of the content on tyria. But if I delete and remake he has full access again till he passes the limits.
This whole thread is pointless whining.
This whole thread is pointless whining.
Navaros
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Plus the 6x100% was used to justify scamming the most loyal customers - those who bought both games - out of 2 character slots. Since the declared math was not true, those 2 scammed slots should be given back to everyone.
MSecorsky
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No it's not; since the content restrictions of Factions needlessly restrict ability to get Titles on your main character.
Plus the 6*100 was used to justify scamming the most loyal customers - those who bought both games - out of 2 character slots. Since the declared math was not true, those 2 scammed slots should be given back to everyone. |
Draygo Korvan
Oh nooooo.
You still have access to 100% of the content on every character slot, even if you have to delete your character to get it. So if you look at it that way you DO have 6x100%. I think the point of some of those titles is that only canthan/tyrian etc characters can obtain them. Use one of your other fives slots to get that protector of cantha award.
You still have access to 100% of the content on every character slot, even if you have to delete your character to get it. So if you look at it that way you DO have 6x100%. I think the point of some of those titles is that only canthan/tyrian etc characters can obtain them. Use one of your other fives slots to get that protector of cantha award.
Navaros
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Use one of your other fives slots to get that protector of cantha award.
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MSecorsky
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Some people like to collect all of the Titles onto their main character. Especially since each one counts towards the "Kind of a Big Deal" Title; which the content restrictions of Factions also fubar.
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Sheesh.
Navaros
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So you want what... to take your level 20 ritualist into Pre-searing? Your Tyrian level 20 to the Monastery?
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MSecorsky
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If you can't get titles on your characters due to content restrictions, then any and all content restrictions that prevent that should be removed. There is no rational reason for content restrictions anyhow.
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CyberNigma
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Not on the continent they were born on. No one realistically expected them to have 100% access to foreign lands.
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Draygo Korvan
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Some people like to collect all of the Titles onto their main character. Especially since each one counts towards the "Kind of a Big Deal" Title; which the content restrictions of Factions also fubar.
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1) Protector of Tyria
2) Exploration
3) Identification
4) Being drunk
5) High Level Chests
etc.
If you dont merge your accounts you cannot travel to tyria/cantha simple as that.
Kakumei
I think the bone of contention here is that it simply doesn't make sense--there's no rationale, implied or stated, as to why Cantha-born characters cannot do missions prior to Lion's Arch.
Navaros
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Of course there is. Level 20s shouldn't be running around the training areas, simple as that. As for the titles, there's nothing restricting a character from getting all the titles of his homeland, and most of the ones from foreign lands. Accept it. It is as it is.
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If level 20's shouldn't be running around in training areas, then neither should training areas count as part of Titles that already-trained characters can't access. If Anet is going to make those areas count, then every character should be allowed in them. Not penalizing old players for not being newbies. Or penalizing players for making a Factions character that can't access pre-Lion Arch missions (which encompass far more than "training areas", btw).
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I think the bone of contention here is that it simply doesn't make sense--there's no rationale, implied or stated, as to why Cantha-born characters cannot do missions prior to Lion's Arch.
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It has been stated in this thread, that it is that way for story purposes. You are not born in ascalon so you cannot participate in missions that the vanguard did. Vanguard are exclusive to ascalon born people only.
MSecorsky
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You're better off not merging accounts. I mean really, is anyone building more than 4 Canthans? By not merging you can build 4 canthans and 4 tyrians. If you want you can buy extra slots for more of either.. you get 2 more slots by not merging.. and not much less content. You get 100% access to Cantha with one account and 100% access to Tyria with the other account..
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Kakumei
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Yes there is. Canthan characters arrive at that point in the story. If you even read what mhenlo says during the quest to go over there. Prince Rurik is already dead before canthan characters arrive and the refugees already settled kryta.
It has been stated in this thread, that it is that way for story purposes. You are not born in ascalon so you cannot participate in missions that the vanguard did. Vanguard are exclusive to ascalon born people only. |
Yeah that makes perfect sense.
"I was born here so I get to time travel in my home country."
CyberNigma
I was more interested in seeing how they would give 100% to everyone. Without changing anything I see how it wouldn't work out (though it could be available anyways) because Factions and Prophecies are designed differently. In the future I suspect this will not be a problem as they've gotten it down.
The tutorial part of the game is Shing Jae and can (read: CAN) get your new character to level 20 by the time he starts the regular game. I think of levels 1-19 as tutorial levels to learn the game. It goes along with the no item/level grinding philosophy. In prophecies they didn't do it as such, more like levels 1-5 until you leave pre-searing/tutorial area, or level 10 if u hunted charr alot). This may have been to ween new players off of level grinding rpgs, or just because it was their first time at this kind of game.
In order to match, pre-searing (Prophecies) should have taken a character up to around level 20 and everything post-searing should have been level 20. Obviously they aren't going to go back and change that, which is why it would have been interesting to see how they were going to grant 100% of the game to Factions characters. From a story-line aspect, Lion's Arch makes since when matched with Kaineng Center. From a level aspect, it should have been Droknar's Forge and Kaineng Center, but in the other campaign Droknar's Forge is near the end of the story. I was thinking after I realized what happened that maybe they revamped (wrote some new scripts much like the Titan Quests) the pre-LA areas so that Canthans can do them backwards instead of being dropped off in Droknar's Forge after defeating the Lich. That still remains to be seen. It would be neat if it did work that way :-)
For Chapter 3 and above, they can follow Chapter 2's model and everything should work out fine where post-tutorial areas are level 20 areas and don't present any problems. I think it's a learning process.
The tutorial part of the game is Shing Jae and can (read: CAN) get your new character to level 20 by the time he starts the regular game. I think of levels 1-19 as tutorial levels to learn the game. It goes along with the no item/level grinding philosophy. In prophecies they didn't do it as such, more like levels 1-5 until you leave pre-searing/tutorial area, or level 10 if u hunted charr alot). This may have been to ween new players off of level grinding rpgs, or just because it was their first time at this kind of game.
In order to match, pre-searing (Prophecies) should have taken a character up to around level 20 and everything post-searing should have been level 20. Obviously they aren't going to go back and change that, which is why it would have been interesting to see how they were going to grant 100% of the game to Factions characters. From a story-line aspect, Lion's Arch makes since when matched with Kaineng Center. From a level aspect, it should have been Droknar's Forge and Kaineng Center, but in the other campaign Droknar's Forge is near the end of the story. I was thinking after I realized what happened that maybe they revamped (wrote some new scripts much like the Titan Quests) the pre-LA areas so that Canthans can do them backwards instead of being dropped off in Droknar's Forge after defeating the Lich. That still remains to be seen. It would be neat if it did work that way :-)
For Chapter 3 and above, they can follow Chapter 2's model and everything should work out fine where post-tutorial areas are level 20 areas and don't present any problems. I think it's a learning process.
eudas
i have to laugh at the fact that this thread is still going on.
i'd never heard the of "6x100%" conversation before, but it is basically like others have said: a brilliant piece of a marketing non-answer.
and those who got suckered in by it were, shall we say, being "overly optimistic".
welcome to the wide world of business, folks. remember: business is EVIL. never forget that.
eudas
i'd never heard the of "6x100%" conversation before, but it is basically like others have said: a brilliant piece of a marketing non-answer.
and those who got suckered in by it were, shall we say, being "overly optimistic".
welcome to the wide world of business, folks. remember: business is EVIL. never forget that.
eudas
MSecorsky
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Why accept messed up stuff, instead of offering criticisms that may result in the messed up stuff being fixed? Isn't that one of the points of discussing things on forums that devs read?
If level 20's shouldn't be running around in training areas, then neither should training areas count as part of Titles that already-trained characters can't access. If Anet is going to make those areas count, then every character should be allowed in them. Not penalizing old players for not being newbies. Or penalizing players for making a Factions character that can't access pre-Lion Arch missions (which encompass far more than "training areas", btw). |
CyberNigma
heh, another thought. Mhenlo traing at Shing Jae. It would not be too offbeat if he requested assistance from Master Togo during the Searing for other students to come help Ascalon fight off the Charr (and later evacuate them). Of course it still runs into the level problem. What transpired prior to a Canthan's arrival in Tyria is abritrary. It could be decided that any period is suitable by the devs. They could have said Droknar's Forge is the 'friendly' port, or Henge of Denravi..well, maybe not port in that case.. Again, Chapter 3 should really have no problem giving 100% (of non-tutorial areas)... They've got their groove on now :-)
felinette
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Not on the continent they were born on. No one realistically expected them to have 100% access to foreign lands.
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I was also surprised that I couldn't create rits and sins for Prophecies, as I've stated before, and that all head and hair choices aren't available for both Canthan and Tyrian character creation.
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Omnidragon42
6 x 98 percent is still more than 8 x 50 percent.
NoChance
personally, i think all the missions should be available for all characters ...
anyway, 6x100 works if you think about it like this:
each of your 6 character slots (not characters) can experience all of Prophecies or all of Factions -- by creating say, a Prophecies character, experiencing everything in Prophecies and then creating a Factions character and experiencing everything in Factions.
if you look at it like this, this gives 6x100.
whereas for an unlinked account, each character slot is restricted to either Prophecies or Factions. this gives 8x50.
anyway, like i said, i think all missions should be available to everyone anyway -- as for about the storyline inconsistency, i can live with it, especially since it's so bad anyway.
anyway, 6x100 works if you think about it like this:
each of your 6 character slots (not characters) can experience all of Prophecies or all of Factions -- by creating say, a Prophecies character, experiencing everything in Prophecies and then creating a Factions character and experiencing everything in Factions.
if you look at it like this, this gives 6x100.
whereas for an unlinked account, each character slot is restricted to either Prophecies or Factions. this gives 8x50.
anyway, like i said, i think all missions should be available to everyone anyway -- as for about the storyline inconsistency, i can live with it, especially since it's so bad anyway.
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personally, i think all the missions should be available for all characters ...
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anyway, 6x100 works if you think about it like this:
each of your 6 character slots (not characters) can experience all of Prophecies or all of Factions -- by creating say, a Prophecies character, experiencing everything in Prophecies and then creating a Factions character and experiencing everything in Factions. if you look at it like this, this gives 6x100. |
Loch
rofl at people who want to run around the Monastery with a level 20 Tyrian.
Don't you have better things to do than shoot fish in a barrel?
Don't you have better things to do than shoot fish in a barrel?
nimloth32
for me, the story arc is important..
and i am happy for how anet connect the two chapters together..=P
and i am happy for how anet connect the two chapters together..=P
lyra_song
Perhaps an implementation of Local/Foreign zones in Monastery and Pre-LA area would be Anet's best bet. However creating a whole set of quests JUST for faction owners in ascalon will be very time consuming.
Justafyme
I agree that 6*100% should mean exactly that. 6 characters with 100% access to both lands. What it seems to really mean, is that I can get 100%of the 80 to 90% I'm allowed to access. What's the next stipulation...in chapter 3 I can have 100% of the 80% I'm allowed to access , but only on the third Tuesday of the month that has a full moon?
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rofl at people who want to run around the Monastery with a level 20 Tyrian.
Don't you have better things to do than shoot fish in a barrel? |
Naga Pelts and Tigers..
Xenrath
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people who want to run around the Monastery with a level 20 Tyrian.
Don't you have better things to do than shoot fish in a barrel? |
Alias_X
The people that own both Factions and Prophecies are the big fans, the ones that will buy GW posters, etc, and the ones that Anet should be trying to please. For some reason, they forgot about us...
Omni Spirit
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The people that own both Factions and Prophecies are the big fans, the ones that will buy GW posters, etc, and the ones that Anet should be trying to please. For some reason, they forgot about us...
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scars of insanity
i think the factions story line is taking place at the same time as the Tyria story line so by the time you get the quest "Chaos in Tyria" and travel to LA the Tyria character should be at LA also meaning all missions before are completed. Same with Tyria characters going to Cantha everything in the Monestary is done. The only places that should be restricted are Monestary and Pre-Searing i think. 6x100% is still true. over 6 diferent characters you can explore 100% of the land. IT NEVER SAID ANYWHERE 1x100%. IT SAID 6x100%.
AhuraMazda
"My high level characters cant have access to the new newbie training arenas, a.net you lied!!!!!!!"
Sigh
Any excuse for a moan.
Sigh
Any excuse for a moan.
EndoftheSyringe
I think it is good how it is. I also think we are being too greedy. Poor Anet is getting ranted at by a LOT of people while they are trying to make everyone happy and they aren't even getting a monthly income. And here they are, checking multiple forums everyday, reading requests, trying to implement things for everyone. We should be complaining about bigger problems, like the elite missions, and actual GAME problems, like broken mechanics, not, "I can't do everything I want," problems.