The New Minion Bomber
mikkyld
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Originally Posted by Bargamer
Huh. I forgot about Sheco. Oops. *Updates again.* XD
Ok, here's how it works. I'm leaving the 'Middling' staff from Kaineng there, only because I don't expect everyone to either A: Have the Health/Skills to wade through the 20+ Afflicted that blocks the most direct route between you and Sheco. B: Have either the money or the materials to get them. Seriously, 10K, 190 Bone, 30 Scale, and 6 Plant Fibers? Yeah, do a few missions, sell a few things, then come back and get it. ? There are no enemies between Kaineng Center and Sheco in the B Byway - You must be going the wong wei?
Nice effort though
Ok, here's how it works. I'm leaving the 'Middling' staff from Kaineng there, only because I don't expect everyone to either A: Have the Health/Skills to wade through the 20+ Afflicted that blocks the most direct route between you and Sheco. B: Have either the money or the materials to get them. Seriously, 10K, 190 Bone, 30 Scale, and 6 Plant Fibers? Yeah, do a few missions, sell a few things, then come back and get it. ? There are no enemies between Kaineng Center and Sheco in the B Byway - You must be going the wong wei?
Nice effort though
Bargamer
There's actually two bridges. The first one, when you cross, there's Afflicted pwning some Guards. When I was in that area, so long ago, I wasn't at lvl 20, so I usually chose to kill the Afflicted for XP. The Southern bridge indeed, has no enemies. Editted the quoted post for the other, lazier, route. 
kaply
I find the explosive growth portion of it kind of redundant. It's nice when it works but the chances of it hitting many enemies is kind of low. So pretty much the best part about this build is that it allowed me to churn out more minions. Olias is also such a slacker when death nova is needed 
I'm wondering if this build might not be better as a necromancer instead though. I've had times when I used taste of death on a minion and ... they didn't die. So playing this as a necromancer primary would have the creation phase (when boon is up) and the enchantment phase (to cast death nova). Rit spawning just makes the minions have more hp. Not 100% sure this is needed. Higher death stat due to items may be more useful.
Anyway, just wanted to leave my thoughts on this build.
I'm wondering if this build might not be better as a necromancer instead though. I've had times when I used taste of death on a minion and ... they didn't die. So playing this as a necromancer primary would have the creation phase (when boon is up) and the enchantment phase (to cast death nova). Rit spawning just makes the minions have more hp. Not 100% sure this is needed. Higher death stat due to items may be more useful.
Anyway, just wanted to leave my thoughts on this build.
Bargamer
Well, well, well. This has to be the FIRST time I've heard this arguement, in a polite manner. This warrents the same consideration.
Pre-Soul Reaping nerf, I would have been slightly inclined to agree with you. Now, though, it's slightly in the Rit's favor with regards to Energy management, which to a Necro, IS Creation.
Taste of Death not killing a minion? Yeah, it happens. Spawning Power just buffs them too much. In a heated fight however, they die soon enough from getting beaten on, or with another tap of Taste. Sure-fire kill-triggers include Animating past your Minion Cap, Reclaim Essence, Putrid Flesh, etc. Often though, the high HP allows me to target and cast Jagged and Nova on the doomed minion before it's beaten down.
Thirdly, a Necro-main Minion Bomber doesn't have access to skills similar to max-Spawning Explosive Growth and Spirit's Gift, which IMO, are key to the build. When you can't keep up the Novas, EG does the AOE-damage for you. When you can't shoot off random party heals, possibly on yourself, SG does it for you. When a Necro doesn't want to bring Verata's Sacrifice, Spawning Power does it for you. There's a lot of Rit-MMing that's automated, in exchange for pre-nerf SR. Now, Rits have the advantage.
The point of the build isn't to keep your minions alive, but to make them blow up as often as possible. Higher Death Magic? This would affect to a small degree half the skill bar, but most relevant, the level/armor/HP of the minions, which is largely un-important. In fact, a Necro Minion Bomber plays completely differently. In their case, they complement their melee minions with Fiends, as the DPS isn't high enough with just minions and Nova. For my example, I'm remembering the Maguuma Jungles in Prophesies. You might have a different build in mind. The Rit's minions... tank, sort of.
The odds of Explosive Growth hitting targets is really about the same as Death Nova, since enemies tend to clump together on your minions, and second-hand rumor, especially in Hard Mode. If only our minions obeyed flags... *Sigh.*
Your rebuttal, please?
Pre-Soul Reaping nerf, I would have been slightly inclined to agree with you. Now, though, it's slightly in the Rit's favor with regards to Energy management, which to a Necro, IS Creation.
Taste of Death not killing a minion? Yeah, it happens. Spawning Power just buffs them too much. In a heated fight however, they die soon enough from getting beaten on, or with another tap of Taste. Sure-fire kill-triggers include Animating past your Minion Cap, Reclaim Essence, Putrid Flesh, etc. Often though, the high HP allows me to target and cast Jagged and Nova on the doomed minion before it's beaten down.
Thirdly, a Necro-main Minion Bomber doesn't have access to skills similar to max-Spawning Explosive Growth and Spirit's Gift, which IMO, are key to the build. When you can't keep up the Novas, EG does the AOE-damage for you. When you can't shoot off random party heals, possibly on yourself, SG does it for you. When a Necro doesn't want to bring Verata's Sacrifice, Spawning Power does it for you. There's a lot of Rit-MMing that's automated, in exchange for pre-nerf SR. Now, Rits have the advantage.
The point of the build isn't to keep your minions alive, but to make them blow up as often as possible. Higher Death Magic? This would affect to a small degree half the skill bar, but most relevant, the level/armor/HP of the minions, which is largely un-important. In fact, a Necro Minion Bomber plays completely differently. In their case, they complement their melee minions with Fiends, as the DPS isn't high enough with just minions and Nova. For my example, I'm remembering the Maguuma Jungles in Prophesies. You might have a different build in mind. The Rit's minions... tank, sort of.
The odds of Explosive Growth hitting targets is really about the same as Death Nova, since enemies tend to clump together on your minions, and second-hand rumor, especially in Hard Mode. If only our minions obeyed flags... *Sigh.*
Your rebuttal, please?
dicecube
i'm thinking of dusting off my old Rt/N left in factions and porting it over to nightfall.. after reading up on Jagged Bones.. capping the skill is nearly end game which makes me feel the urge not to.
Bargamer
Jagged Bones got nerfed, so you really don't need it anymore. Run with Flesh Golem, Reclaim Essense, or something else until you cap Jagged.
Honestly speaking, for the capping difficulty and recharge time, it's a pretty lousy elite. Necro-mains who usually bring lots of HRT mods appreciate it more, if they're not bringing OoU or something else.
But eh. Don't let Jagged Bones' end-game cap bring you down, just play through the game until then.
Honestly speaking, for the capping difficulty and recharge time, it's a pretty lousy elite. Necro-mains who usually bring lots of HRT mods appreciate it more, if they're not bringing OoU or something else.
But eh. Don't let Jagged Bones' end-game cap bring you down, just play through the game until then.
ArKaiN
You guys ever heard of elite tomes?
dicecube
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Originally Posted by ArKaiN
You guys ever heard of elite tomes?
cool, give me 10k plzkthx
Xeeron
Heh if that doesnt look like the Rt/N build from waaaay back at the start of factions! With the nerf to SR, it might be a little more competitive now. What I remember to be most annoying was conveying to your PUG member that you are indeed a MM.
Btw, why is there Karei's and Healing Circle in the hero bars? Seems to be pointless to me.
- Xeeron
Btw, why is there Karei's and Healing Circle in the hero bars? Seems to be pointless to me.
- Xeeron
ArKaiN
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Originally Posted by dicecube
cool, give me 10k plzkthx
Yeah, thats amazingly expensive. Much better to buy a signet for 1k and then go through NF and try and cap one of the hardest caps in the game.
dontbearetardkstfuplzkthx
dontbearetardkstfuplzkthx
Bargamer
Xeeron: You talking about the Necro Hero section, when you first get him? Because essentially, I haven't played a Necro-main since Factions started. That means that my idea of a Necro-main MM is still the Prophesies build. Minions + Heal Area = Old School MM. If someone would like to suggest something else for my Necros to do, make a post. But as of right now, my Heroes are Tah, Dunkoro, and either Razah or Zhed.
And while I'm on the subject of posts, could you Elite skill tome nuts keep it down? I've already had to endure this kind of stupidity ONCE already. *Cough.*AnimateBoneMinionsIsTWOMinions.*Cough.* (Maybe if I got one, even a non-elite, I'd feel differently.
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And while I'm on the subject of posts, could you Elite skill tome nuts keep it down? I've already had to endure this kind of stupidity ONCE already. *Cough.*AnimateBoneMinionsIsTWOMinions.*Cough.* (Maybe if I got one, even a non-elite, I'd feel differently.
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DKS
My rit runs a bomber build...works very well, actually. I have Razah setup the same build, and I find he has NO problem keeping enchants up...just put them at the front of the bar, and he has them up pretty much always. Puts out Nova's like a madman too. Now, with him, I wasn't sure how useful Explosive Growth actually was. Playing the build myself, where I SEE all the damage numbers popping up from it...no way is it leaving my skillbar.
Bargamer
First off, thanks to everyone for another 4K views in 2-3 months. Minion Bombers FTW!
Secondly, is anyone else seeing improved Enchantment AI for Razah or any of the other Heroes and Henchies?
Finally, and this is way out there, if the Weapon Spell buff comes true, it might be funny to spam Splinter Weapon on a buncha minions, and see what kinda numbers come out. Would have to drop Resto and add Communing, though. :-p
Secondly, is anyone else seeing improved Enchantment AI for Razah or any of the other Heroes and Henchies?
Finally, and this is way out there, if the Weapon Spell buff comes true, it might be funny to spam Splinter Weapon on a buncha minions, and see what kinda numbers come out. Would have to drop Resto and add Communing, though. :-p
Bargamer
Ok, just tested Razah in Vizunah Square, and I noticed no difference with his Enchantment AI. He STILL keeps running out of Energy because he doesn't maintain Boon.
LAWL, the Home page proved it. Gogogo Splinter Weapon! Not just for R/Rits anymore.
Oh, and SR still sucks. Sorry, Necros.
Man, I hope they fix the AI. And add the changes I keep wishing for. C'mooooon, Cycle-Minion-Button! I have SO many enchants and weapon spells I wanna drop on minions, especially Flesh Golem. Is it a balance problem? I want to know!
LAWL, the Home page proved it. Gogogo Splinter Weapon! Not just for R/Rits anymore.
Oh, and SR still sucks. Sorry, Necros.Man, I hope they fix the AI. And add the changes I keep wishing for. C'mooooon, Cycle-Minion-Button! I have SO many enchants and weapon spells I wanna drop on minions, especially Flesh Golem. Is it a balance problem? I want to know!
ArKaiN
You understand that people seeing this thread periodically doesn't mean anyone actually plays minion bombers, right? I've seen one ingame since I started playing a year ago, and he sucked ballz.
Car crashes get a lot of views also. Thats why they cause traffic.
Car crashes get a lot of views also. Thats why they cause traffic.
Bargamer
You're welcome to watch me play. Granted, my build might be going against the "Rits = Spirits" grain, but hey, I'm quirky, Rits are quirky, that's why I love them. Well, that and the "making things go BOOM" aspect. Without being a Fire Nuker! XDDD
Bargamer
Well, I'm definitely getting GW:EN. The new skill Putrid Bile seems like it will replace Death Nova on your own skillbar, and Razah can pick and choose. Without the required minion-selecting, this build should become more popular, at least until the game goes live, and we see if any other possibilities crop up.
Putrid Bile, for those of you who don't have the Guild Wars Wiki bookmarked. It's almost like an Afflicted Explosion hex, except you're blowing up just your enemies. Jeez, what is it with my build and the Putrid stuff? Putrid Flesh, Putrid Explosion, now Putrid Bile...
Putrid Bile, for those of you who don't have the Guild Wars Wiki bookmarked. It's almost like an Afflicted Explosion hex, except you're blowing up just your enemies. Jeez, what is it with my build and the Putrid stuff? Putrid Flesh, Putrid Explosion, now Putrid Bile...
Bargamer
I'd deleted my gw.dat file a while back while freeing up memory for LOTR Online, so most of my play time was spent waiting for the darn thing to load. Once I'd hit the Eye of the North, I went straight for the Skill Merchant. Oh noes! I was broke! A few minutes of spamming Trade to sell Peppermint CC got me nowhere, so it was back to Vizunah Square for money. A few failed runs and one successful later, I had a cool 3K.
After checking out the available skills, I decided to go with MoW for Signet of Lost Souls and Putrid Bile. Death Nova, Animate Shambling, Deathly Swarm, Icy Veins, Bitter Chill, and Rez Chant rounded out his bar, so onward I went. The only change to my own bar was my aforementioned Death Nova -> Bile. And that was my first 3 hours of GWEN.
Check this thread tomorrow for the further adventures of Soy Oil and Master of Whispers, the invincible duo!
After checking out the available skills, I decided to go with MoW for Signet of Lost Souls and Putrid Bile. Death Nova, Animate Shambling, Deathly Swarm, Icy Veins, Bitter Chill, and Rez Chant rounded out his bar, so onward I went. The only change to my own bar was my aforementioned Death Nova -> Bile. And that was my first 3 hours of GWEN.
Check this thread tomorrow for the further adventures of Soy Oil and Master of Whispers, the invincible duo!
Bargamer
Finished the Primary Quests that are possible. Got my 2 Monumental Tapestries, and you get one for free, and basically running around wondering which I should do next. Dwarven Boxing is pretty fun, reminds me of my days on poor Bargamer the Wammo. Nowadays he's just a mule.
Defense of the Eye and Mano a Norno were pretty easy, actually. For that solo battle, I switched to a Rit Lord spirit build, and just basically Shadowsong, Pain, and Rupture Soul-ed him to death.
Defense of the Eye and Mano a Norno were pretty easy, actually. For that solo battle, I switched to a Rit Lord spirit build, and just basically Shadowsong, Pain, and Rupture Soul-ed him to death.
jestx
I've been trying out this build for a couple days now. I had a MM back in the Prophecies days but I like the idea of the "bomber rit". Kind of finding it tough to get the Novas on my minions, everytime I click on one, they scramble around and I can't tell which have Novas on em =/
Probably need some more practice.
Thanks for the build ideas=)
Probably need some more practice.
Thanks for the build ideas=)
Bargamer
Targeting is, indeed, the hardest part of the build. My advice is, leave it to the Heroes. Instead, equip Putrid Bile. It's a Death Magic Hex introduced in GWEN, so targeting the enemy is just a keybind away. (Default is "C".)
As for which minions already have enchantments, they have a green upwards pointing triangle once you have targetted one. WHICH enchantment however... Well, Nova is a green fog, and Jagged Bones is a white fog. Unless that was a Monk Enchantment...
As for which minions already have enchantments, they have a green upwards pointing triangle once you have targetted one. WHICH enchantment however... Well, Nova is a green fog, and Jagged Bones is a white fog. Unless that was a Monk Enchantment...
Bargamer
So my EB Games merchant was all, "Forgot your Pre-order reciept, eh?" *Look. Look-look. Shakes head.* "Sorry, can't find it... How do you spell your name again?" *Look.* "There we go! Ok, Guild Wars... Guild Wars..." *Looks. Hand passes over it, twice.* "Oh wait, here it is. Cash or Card?" *Swipe. Swipe. Enters PIN...* "Not going? Ok, entering it manually... Still no?? Ok, we'll have to get an imprint of your card..." *Crrrrrunch.* "Oops, did it wrong!" *Crrrrrunch.* "Good enough."
Throughout this ordeal, I was imagining killing the guy and raising him as a pair of minions, then making them run to the Stupid Indian Watch Repair Girl and blowing her up. Incompentants. All in all, a very amusing morning.
So there I was, getting my butt handed to me by White Out. Switched over to a Rit Lord build, and went with Dissonance, Shelter, Union, and the Ranger Interrupter Henchy. Avarr the Fallen was the only time I ever considered taking Verata's Aura or Gaze, because walking past him on the way to White Out, I saw 2 Bone Fiends in the middle of nowhere. I didn't, but even so, he's ridiculously easy, summons nothing but Fiends so he fell to Bone, Jagged, and Shambling melee damage. Wanted to corpse-steal, but eh, it's all good.
After getting Rank 3 in Norn Reputation, I bought about 4 Perfect Salvaging Kits, and went nuts on my Xunlai Storage full of items, it was so awesome. Sold the non-perfect items afterwards, I was up to 9K or so. Kinda makes the Treasure Hunter and Wisdom Titles worthless, lol. I mean, 250 gold, 1 skill point, and 25 each Wood/Iron is a small price to pay next to the 6 MILLION+ gold you would have shelled out otherwise.
After that bit of giddiness, I soberly had to consider whether I wanted to go help the Asura or Ebon Vanguard. After considering that ranks in Ebon Vanguard gave you +Armor vs Charr and Energy when you killed them, (almost like Soul Reaping!) the decision to take it to the furballs was not hard. I was repaid for my decision by the ability to ride a Siege Devourer. It is more awesome than the Siege Wurm, because the rest of your party stays the same. So that means that while you are Nuking the hell outta everything, MoW can happily Animate everything. And you can take it anywhere, even across zones. Um, can you say, "Norn Rep Farming made EZ!" I bet you can.
I decided to keep questing though, and got into a good group for Warband of Brothers. Well, except for one person who just never showed up. Lost during loading, we guessed. Because of the group thing, I didn't get to bring MoW, so no Death Novas, and so my AOE suffered. We wiped twice. First time we rezzed inside, so we kept going, and the second time the Monk rezzed us all, and I went nuts with the Minions. The Charr were too spread out, so we pwned them at our leisure.
Then I ate dinner, and bought 300 and Blades of Glory at Blockbuster. XDDD It was a good day.
Throughout this ordeal, I was imagining killing the guy and raising him as a pair of minions, then making them run to the Stupid Indian Watch Repair Girl and blowing her up. Incompentants. All in all, a very amusing morning.
So there I was, getting my butt handed to me by White Out. Switched over to a Rit Lord build, and went with Dissonance, Shelter, Union, and the Ranger Interrupter Henchy. Avarr the Fallen was the only time I ever considered taking Verata's Aura or Gaze, because walking past him on the way to White Out, I saw 2 Bone Fiends in the middle of nowhere. I didn't, but even so, he's ridiculously easy, summons nothing but Fiends so he fell to Bone, Jagged, and Shambling melee damage. Wanted to corpse-steal, but eh, it's all good.
After getting Rank 3 in Norn Reputation, I bought about 4 Perfect Salvaging Kits, and went nuts on my Xunlai Storage full of items, it was so awesome. Sold the non-perfect items afterwards, I was up to 9K or so. Kinda makes the Treasure Hunter and Wisdom Titles worthless, lol. I mean, 250 gold, 1 skill point, and 25 each Wood/Iron is a small price to pay next to the 6 MILLION+ gold you would have shelled out otherwise.
After that bit of giddiness, I soberly had to consider whether I wanted to go help the Asura or Ebon Vanguard. After considering that ranks in Ebon Vanguard gave you +Armor vs Charr and Energy when you killed them, (almost like Soul Reaping!) the decision to take it to the furballs was not hard. I was repaid for my decision by the ability to ride a Siege Devourer. It is more awesome than the Siege Wurm, because the rest of your party stays the same. So that means that while you are Nuking the hell outta everything, MoW can happily Animate everything. And you can take it anywhere, even across zones. Um, can you say, "Norn Rep Farming made EZ!" I bet you can.
I decided to keep questing though, and got into a good group for Warband of Brothers. Well, except for one person who just never showed up. Lost during loading, we guessed. Because of the group thing, I didn't get to bring MoW, so no Death Novas, and so my AOE suffered. We wiped twice. First time we rezzed inside, so we kept going, and the second time the Monk rezzed us all, and I went nuts with the Minions. The Charr were too spread out, so we pwned them at our leisure.
Then I ate dinner, and bought 300 and Blades of Glory at Blockbuster. XDDD It was a good day.
Bargamer
Ok, so I'm wandering around, and I spot something I haven't seen in 2 Campaigns: A Red Iris Flower. I pick it up, and forgot about it. Then I go back to my HoM for one reason or another, and whaddayaknow, Gwen has a quest for me. A Elite Master quest, full of Fire (Elementals), Pain (not the spirit), DP, and Charr. I musta blew every buff I had, Honeycombs, Powerstone of Courage, Armor of Salvation, Grail of Might, the whole nine yards, and yet I still only beat it by... attrition. I could rez at the shrine, they could not.
So I took my normal bomber build, and changed it up. Swapped out Jagged Bones for Breath of the Great Dwarf, Razah became my Rit Lord build, with Shelter, Union, and Dissonance. Gwen had to come, so I made her an Interrupter build with Mantra of Flame, Echo, and Arcane Echo. I finished out the party with the Earth, Ranger Interrupter, and both Monk Henchies.
60DP later, I finished it, Assassin's Revenge, Fall out, and maybe one other quest. It was still a pain in the butt. I came from the Dalada Uplands exit, which was how I stumbled upon Brave Brent Poltroon.
Edit: Also had Tah running Prot Spirit and some condition removal. Removing Burning is very important.
So I took my normal bomber build, and changed it up. Swapped out Jagged Bones for Breath of the Great Dwarf, Razah became my Rit Lord build, with Shelter, Union, and Dissonance. Gwen had to come, so I made her an Interrupter build with Mantra of Flame, Echo, and Arcane Echo. I finished out the party with the Earth, Ranger Interrupter, and both Monk Henchies.
60DP later, I finished it, Assassin's Revenge, Fall out, and maybe one other quest. It was still a pain in the butt. I came from the Dalada Uplands exit, which was how I stumbled upon Brave Brent Poltroon.
Edit: Also had Tah running Prot Spirit and some condition removal. Removing Burning is very important.
Alvar
thnks for the help Bargamer.
Dr Strangelove
So I was doing the undead portion of Slaver's Exile the other day, in which there are rit minion bombers with explosive growth and death nova working side by side with necros raising bone fiends and casting barbs.
My squishy little rit laughed off the 2*40 damage from explosive growth, and proceeded to ignore the harmless bone minions who randomly blew up with mediocre damage.
Then a giant group of level 19 bone fiends backed up by barbs spam proceeded to wipe my group in record time.
Moral of the story: If you want minions, run a necro.
My squishy little rit laughed off the 2*40 damage from explosive growth, and proceeded to ignore the harmless bone minions who randomly blew up with mediocre damage.
Then a giant group of level 19 bone fiends backed up by barbs spam proceeded to wipe my group in record time.
Moral of the story: If you want minions, run a necro.
Bargamer
OMG, GWEN actually had Minion Bombers and Necros working together?! That's awesome! Where is this mission?!
All that physical damage stacks up, don't it? What kind of build were you and your party running, and how did you adapt for that mission? If I were designing that mission, I'd toss in some Mesmers and Rit/Mo Healers too, just to really be mean. XD
Has anyone else experienced that mission? I noticed from the "official" wiki that (until I editted it,) the Stone Summit Summoner was a Necro/Rit, instead of the other way around. Just by looking at what else was in the area, it's likely the Bombers softened you up, and the Barbs finished the job.
Secondly, (and in my own biased and humble opinion,) a Necro-main MM with Fiends sacrifices more DPS for endurance. It is like a sprinter versus a marathon/cross-country runner. A Rit's minions are heartier, and can therefore take more damage than Bone Fiends, and when the time is right, is blown up by Death Nova. The Rit herself can raise minions aaaall day and won't ever break a sweat. The Necro-MM, by the very nature of Soul-Reaping, experiences periods of sitting around waiting for Energy or recharging skills, or for the first 3 Fiends that stay up. With the release of GWEN, a Rit can go from zero to 60 from the very first death, as the dying enemy does Icy Vein and Putrid Bile damage, the Animate afterwards does Explosive Growth damage, and will just compound from there, depending on what you like: Death Nova, Ebon Battle Standard of Honor, Barbs, Vile Miasma, Bleeding from Jagged Bones, disease from Putrid Explosion, Gwen can load up on degen spells from the Illusion Attribute...
And finally, I run what I like, with what profession I like, but thanks for your input.
All that physical damage stacks up, don't it? What kind of build were you and your party running, and how did you adapt for that mission? If I were designing that mission, I'd toss in some Mesmers and Rit/Mo Healers too, just to really be mean. XD
Has anyone else experienced that mission? I noticed from the "official" wiki that (until I editted it,) the Stone Summit Summoner was a Necro/Rit, instead of the other way around. Just by looking at what else was in the area, it's likely the Bombers softened you up, and the Barbs finished the job.
Secondly, (and in my own biased and humble opinion,) a Necro-main MM with Fiends sacrifices more DPS for endurance. It is like a sprinter versus a marathon/cross-country runner. A Rit's minions are heartier, and can therefore take more damage than Bone Fiends, and when the time is right, is blown up by Death Nova. The Rit herself can raise minions aaaall day and won't ever break a sweat. The Necro-MM, by the very nature of Soul-Reaping, experiences periods of sitting around waiting for Energy or recharging skills, or for the first 3 Fiends that stay up. With the release of GWEN, a Rit can go from zero to 60 from the very first death, as the dying enemy does Icy Vein and Putrid Bile damage, the Animate afterwards does Explosive Growth damage, and will just compound from there, depending on what you like: Death Nova, Ebon Battle Standard of Honor, Barbs, Vile Miasma, Bleeding from Jagged Bones, disease from Putrid Explosion, Gwen can load up on degen spells from the Illusion Attribute...
And finally, I run what I like, with what profession I like, but thanks for your input.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Bargamer
OMG, GWEN actually had Minion Bombers and Necros working together?! That's awesome! Where is this mission?!
All that physical damage stacks up, don't it? What kind of build were you and your party running, and how did you adapt for that mission? If I were designing that mission, I'd toss in some Mesmers and Rit/Mo Healers too, just to really be mean. XD
Has anyone else experienced that mission? I noticed from the "official" wiki that (until I editted it,) the Stone Summit Summoner was a Necro/Rit, instead of the other way around. Just by looking at what else was in the area, it's likely the Bombers softened you up, and the Barbs finished the job.
Secondly, (and in my own biased and humble opinion,) a Necro-main MM with Fiends sacrifices more DPS for endurance. It is like a sprinter versus a marathon/cross-country runner. A Rit's minions are heartier, and can therefore take more damage than Bone Fiends, and when the time is right, is blown up by Death Nova. The Rit herself can raise minions aaaall day and won't ever break a sweat. The Necro-MM, by the very nature of Soul-Reaping, experiences periods of sitting around waiting for Energy or recharging skills, or for the first 3 Fiends that stay up. With the release of GWEN, a Rit can go from zero to 60 from the very first death, as the dying enemy does Icy Vein and Putrid Bile damage, the Animate afterwards does Explosive Growth damage, and will just compound from there, depending on what you like: Death Nova, Ebon Battle Standard of Honor, Barbs, Vile Miasma, Bleeding from Jagged Bones, disease from Putrid Explosion, Gwen can load up on degen spells from the Illusion Attribute...
And finally, I run what I like, with what profession I like, but thanks for your input. Really, they're harmless. It's the elite dungeon necro area. Our warrior was laughing at them because he was taking 13 damage from the explosive growths. Death novas are mostly just random -90s scattered around, which LoD took care of just fine.
The necros with bone fiends are more of a finisher. What really wipes you is insanely overpowered hammer warriors, AoE earth eles against retard henchman, and monks good enough to stop you from wiping them. Really more like a 150 damage backbreaker softened me up, then a pile of AoE wiped us.
1) Rit minions are not as hearty as primary necro minions. Blood of the master easily will heal for more than the advantage that spawning power gives. Rit minions have significantly lower armor and level, making them die more quickly. You can still smack them around for a bit, but they just can't tank as well as a necros minions.
2)They don't deal as much damage. The minions themselves are lower level, and if they're bone minions they do less than 10 damage/hit. Yes, yes, death nova, putrid bile etc. etc. There's a reason necro primaries don't run those spells. You're using them in an attempt to make up for the deficiencies of your build. If they were good spells at 12 DM with minions, they'd be great spells at 16 DM with minions. They ain't. Explosive growth compares pretty unfavorably to other AoE options, like fireball and spirit rift.
3) Necros don't have energy issues. First, they don't spam bone fiend, there's usually shambling horrors and vamp horrors too, which are 15e. When each death gives you 11-13e, it's not hard to keep them up. Second, signet of lost souls rocks. When a retarded hero mm can keep full energy all the time with a full army, you know energy isn't an issue.
4) I know you run what you like without caring for the effectiveness. Why else would this thread have degenerated into a huge blog for you? The whole point of campfire is putting builds up and discussing them, not putting up pretty things that don't work.
All that physical damage stacks up, don't it? What kind of build were you and your party running, and how did you adapt for that mission? If I were designing that mission, I'd toss in some Mesmers and Rit/Mo Healers too, just to really be mean. XD
Has anyone else experienced that mission? I noticed from the "official" wiki that (until I editted it,) the Stone Summit Summoner was a Necro/Rit, instead of the other way around. Just by looking at what else was in the area, it's likely the Bombers softened you up, and the Barbs finished the job.
Secondly, (and in my own biased and humble opinion,) a Necro-main MM with Fiends sacrifices more DPS for endurance. It is like a sprinter versus a marathon/cross-country runner. A Rit's minions are heartier, and can therefore take more damage than Bone Fiends, and when the time is right, is blown up by Death Nova. The Rit herself can raise minions aaaall day and won't ever break a sweat. The Necro-MM, by the very nature of Soul-Reaping, experiences periods of sitting around waiting for Energy or recharging skills, or for the first 3 Fiends that stay up. With the release of GWEN, a Rit can go from zero to 60 from the very first death, as the dying enemy does Icy Vein and Putrid Bile damage, the Animate afterwards does Explosive Growth damage, and will just compound from there, depending on what you like: Death Nova, Ebon Battle Standard of Honor, Barbs, Vile Miasma, Bleeding from Jagged Bones, disease from Putrid Explosion, Gwen can load up on degen spells from the Illusion Attribute...
And finally, I run what I like, with what profession I like, but thanks for your input. Really, they're harmless. It's the elite dungeon necro area. Our warrior was laughing at them because he was taking 13 damage from the explosive growths. Death novas are mostly just random -90s scattered around, which LoD took care of just fine.
The necros with bone fiends are more of a finisher. What really wipes you is insanely overpowered hammer warriors, AoE earth eles against retard henchman, and monks good enough to stop you from wiping them. Really more like a 150 damage backbreaker softened me up, then a pile of AoE wiped us.
1) Rit minions are not as hearty as primary necro minions. Blood of the master easily will heal for more than the advantage that spawning power gives. Rit minions have significantly lower armor and level, making them die more quickly. You can still smack them around for a bit, but they just can't tank as well as a necros minions.
2)They don't deal as much damage. The minions themselves are lower level, and if they're bone minions they do less than 10 damage/hit. Yes, yes, death nova, putrid bile etc. etc. There's a reason necro primaries don't run those spells. You're using them in an attempt to make up for the deficiencies of your build. If they were good spells at 12 DM with minions, they'd be great spells at 16 DM with minions. They ain't. Explosive growth compares pretty unfavorably to other AoE options, like fireball and spirit rift.
3) Necros don't have energy issues. First, they don't spam bone fiend, there's usually shambling horrors and vamp horrors too, which are 15e. When each death gives you 11-13e, it's not hard to keep them up. Second, signet of lost souls rocks. When a retarded hero mm can keep full energy all the time with a full army, you know energy isn't an issue.
4) I know you run what you like without caring for the effectiveness. Why else would this thread have degenerated into a huge blog for you? The whole point of campfire is putting builds up and discussing them, not putting up pretty things that don't work.
Bargamer
Good thing you quoted me AFTER I finished/editing my post. That would've been a tad embarrassing! XD
In any case, until I see this mission for myself (and bring Verata's Aura!), I'll have to go by your first-hand account. Still, I'd like to hear what builds were in your party, including your own, and how you eventually beat the Barb Necros, Hammer Warriors, Earth Eles, and such. (Rit would help the Resto f us. Haha, Guild Wars puns!)
While you are a tad condescending, you're still far and away more polite than SOME detractors of the build I've heard, as you did explain your points. However, I must respectfully disagree with you: The Minion Bomber does work, but it's not the specialist that the Necro-main is. We are a jack-of-all-trades profession, and so this build does several things pretty well, instead of just one thing very well. Yes, we use skills that the specialists discarded, because we have our own wonky and unique style. I must've forgotten to mention earlier that "Fire and Pain," for all it's difficulty, was also the most fun I had with a mission yet. It forced me to think, adapt, and reconsider the build. (And look it up on the wiki. XD) Someday, I hope to retry that mission on a Rit, and come out less scarred. XDDD
PS: Blogging is a big thing right now, or was. I don't think it's degenerated into a blog, since it's really ALWAYS been a blog: I've (most of the time) made it a habit of responding to each poster as they arrived. Since I'm an amateur writer, if my guides seem to read like blogs, that happens to be another aspect of my personal style. And are we not discussing the build, positively or negatively? As so many seem to be found of quoting, I have one for you, from the Hall of Knowledge forum: "The Campfire: Share your strategies, experience and tips here for builds and groups for PvE." Strategies, check. Experiences and tips, check. PVE build? That's three for three!
PSS: In conclusion, I'd like you to calm down and read Purpose of Build Forums again. I think you'll see that, in this thread, I comply with or exceed every stated and implied purpose in that post. Therefore, unless you have a problem with me personally, I see no reason why this guide, thread, or blog should not continue as is. Can't we all just get along?
In any case, until I see this mission for myself (and bring Verata's Aura!), I'll have to go by your first-hand account. Still, I'd like to hear what builds were in your party, including your own, and how you eventually beat the Barb Necros, Hammer Warriors, Earth Eles, and such. (Rit would help the Resto f us. Haha, Guild Wars puns!)
While you are a tad condescending, you're still far and away more polite than SOME detractors of the build I've heard, as you did explain your points. However, I must respectfully disagree with you: The Minion Bomber does work, but it's not the specialist that the Necro-main is. We are a jack-of-all-trades profession, and so this build does several things pretty well, instead of just one thing very well. Yes, we use skills that the specialists discarded, because we have our own wonky and unique style. I must've forgotten to mention earlier that "Fire and Pain," for all it's difficulty, was also the most fun I had with a mission yet. It forced me to think, adapt, and reconsider the build. (And look it up on the wiki. XD) Someday, I hope to retry that mission on a Rit, and come out less scarred. XDDD
PS: Blogging is a big thing right now, or was. I don't think it's degenerated into a blog, since it's really ALWAYS been a blog: I've (most of the time) made it a habit of responding to each poster as they arrived. Since I'm an amateur writer, if my guides seem to read like blogs, that happens to be another aspect of my personal style. And are we not discussing the build, positively or negatively? As so many seem to be found of quoting, I have one for you, from the Hall of Knowledge forum: "The Campfire: Share your strategies, experience and tips here for builds and groups for PvE." Strategies, check. Experiences and tips, check. PVE build? That's three for three!
PSS: In conclusion, I'd like you to calm down and read Purpose of Build Forums again. I think you'll see that, in this thread, I comply with or exceed every stated and implied purpose in that post. Therefore, unless you have a problem with me personally, I see no reason why this guide, thread, or blog should not continue as is. Can't we all just get along?
Bargamer
Attention everyone: I just smacked down the Glacial Griffon with nothing but minions, Putrid Bile, and Necrosis (Rank 8). It was hilarious. Don't try to use Consume Soul or Unnatural Signet, he spams faster than you. Instead, just degen him to death. Sif Shadowhunter, eat your heart out.
Seriously, all he had was Bloodsong, and I was left with 1HP. It couldn't steal anything!
Seriously, all he had was Bloodsong, and I was left with 1HP. It couldn't steal anything!
Bargamer
Finally finished the Asura quests, Against the Destroyers, and all that up to the Central Transfer Chamber. I had to use a Rit Lord build on 2 of the missions: the Oola's Lab instance and Heart of the Shiverpeaks. Twice I had to do the quest up to the instance as a Bomber, go back to Rata Sum, switch to a Rit Lord, and start spamming LFG, then do the instance.
With that said, Heart of the Shiverpeaks is a 4 hour investment, with a slightly clueless group. It is not doable with Heroes and Henchies. You need at least a Spirit Spammer with Union/Shelter and a Bonder, both who should have plenty of condition removal, another Healer, and 3 damage dealers/Barrel runners. Essentially, just keep ferrying barrels between Bulgy and Cynder, and you should take him down evenutally. Poison, Deep Wound, and Life Steal work, as well as Pain Inverter + SV. Bring plenty of Consumables, especially Powerstones.
But here's the catch: You get shuttled from cut scene to cut scene, dungeon to dungeon, for the next 3 hours, smacking down Destroyers, dying, smacking them some more, dying... So a team that works against Cynder the Mountain Heart might not work against hordes of Destroyers, especially Disc of Chaos, a lvl 30 Elementalist, and all his Destroyer friends. Thankfully, you get Semi-invincible Golems to help you out. When they "die," walk over to them to reactivate. Send a tank or 2 to keep them up. I mean, what does a Warrior need with 15 Energy?
Alternatively, you can use an Assassin with a running build to keep the Golems up, and against Cynder. Thanks to Cosmitz! http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Talk:De...hs_%28Quest%29
With that said, Heart of the Shiverpeaks is a 4 hour investment, with a slightly clueless group. It is not doable with Heroes and Henchies. You need at least a Spirit Spammer with Union/Shelter and a Bonder, both who should have plenty of condition removal, another Healer, and 3 damage dealers/Barrel runners. Essentially, just keep ferrying barrels between Bulgy and Cynder, and you should take him down evenutally. Poison, Deep Wound, and Life Steal work, as well as Pain Inverter + SV. Bring plenty of Consumables, especially Powerstones.
But here's the catch: You get shuttled from cut scene to cut scene, dungeon to dungeon, for the next 3 hours, smacking down Destroyers, dying, smacking them some more, dying... So a team that works against Cynder the Mountain Heart might not work against hordes of Destroyers, especially Disc of Chaos, a lvl 30 Elementalist, and all his Destroyer friends. Thankfully, you get Semi-invincible Golems to help you out. When they "die," walk over to them to reactivate. Send a tank or 2 to keep them up. I mean, what does a Warrior need with 15 Energy?
Alternatively, you can use an Assassin with a running build to keep the Golems up, and against Cynder. Thanks to Cosmitz! http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Talk:De...hs_%28Quest%29
horseradish
so i was playing as my R/Rt today (NOT splinter barrager, i'm so proud of myself...although i haven't gotten far enough to cap barrage lol!. i'm more interested in Escape anyways
and we had a minion bomber in our group, so i was like
"HOLY S**T A MINION BOMBER :O!!!!!"
unfortunately, i didn't notice much from him since we were doing that...Nahpui Quarter? mission..you know...the one in Cantha with the ...1...2...3.. 3!! different rooms of afflicted and that last one with the "big bad ____" and we all die at the last cut scene and there's this cow envoy thingy lol but anyways.....
yeah. i didn't notice much from him except whenever he casted Blood of the Master (which i easily healed with one of the 5e skills from the rit) and that this mission was MUCH easier. things dropped like flies!!!
but i couldn't see the animation cuz i had to keep an eye out for Togo and Mhenlo
BUT
the red dots on my compass thingy kept blipping out every moment or so.
we got masters too ^_^
eventhough....we had a fire ele and a fast cast fire nuker in the group, they kept dying, so i heard the "blehchkehckehcyhekchhch" sound of minions.
yeah, so i'ma make a Rit minion bomber now
and we had a minion bomber in our group, so i was like
"HOLY S**T A MINION BOMBER :O!!!!!"
unfortunately, i didn't notice much from him since we were doing that...Nahpui Quarter? mission..you know...the one in Cantha with the ...1...2...3.. 3!! different rooms of afflicted and that last one with the "big bad ____" and we all die at the last cut scene and there's this cow envoy thingy lol but anyways.....
yeah. i didn't notice much from him except whenever he casted Blood of the Master (which i easily healed with one of the 5e skills from the rit
) and that this mission was MUCH easier. things dropped like flies!!!but i couldn't see the animation cuz i had to keep an eye out for Togo and Mhenlo
BUT
the red dots on my compass thingy kept blipping out every moment or so.
we got masters too ^_^
eventhough....we had a fire ele and a fast cast fire nuker in the group, they kept dying, so i heard the "blehchkehckehcyhekchhch" sound of minions.
yeah, so i'ma make a Rit minion bomber now
Bargamer
You mean Vizunah Square. That mission is my favorite for power-leveling Heroes to level 20. But yeah, unless a Necro-main is willing to bring Death Nova or whatever, the DPS really isn't enough to deal with the sheer numbers of Afflicted. You really do want the Rit/N Minion Bomber. Bring at least 1 nuker and 2 Bombers, and maybe a Prot monk for Mhenlo and Togo, and assuming the other side isn't 7 Henchies, you're almost guaranteed to get Masters.
Yeah, you really do not want to bring Blood of the Master either. Since the other side brings 2 Necro-main MM and your side brings 2 Bombers, that's 36 possible minions. 2 casts = death. Besides, that mission has plenty of corpses. One time, my friend had SIX MM running that mission, lol.
What're you gonna name your Rit?
Yeah, you really do not want to bring Blood of the Master either. Since the other side brings 2 Necro-main MM and your side brings 2 Bombers, that's 36 possible minions. 2 casts = death. Besides, that mission has plenty of corpses. One time, my friend had SIX MM running that mission, lol.
What're you gonna name your Rit?
horseradish
YES that's the mission! thx!
i have a rit right now.....but his secondary is a mesmer....and i was thinking of just changing it to necro, but i'm working on a channeling build that has mesmer skills in it, and i don't know shit about changing secondaries so i'm worried that if i change my secondary back to mesmer if i need it, that i'll lose the skills from the necro line.
i'm kinda sure that it won't happen, but i'm worried about the scenario of capping Flesh Golem and then losing it *dies*
i have the same dilemma with my ranger, cuz i wanna switch back and forth depending on the areas, but i frankly have no idea. i just got prophecies in ....march? and Factions in AUGUST ._.
My current rit is Guan Hao yes very asian but i used to play dynasty warriors and Guan Yu was my favorite guy and all the people are real so he's a blood relative
so yeah, i COULD make a rit/n and train with him in the beginning to get more experience with minion bombing, OR i could just change my profession and i don't know anything about changing secondary professions besides that your secondary profession changes
i have a rit right now.....but his secondary is a mesmer....and i was thinking of just changing it to necro, but i'm working on a channeling build that has mesmer skills in it, and i don't know shit about changing secondaries so i'm worried that if i change my secondary back to mesmer if i need it, that i'll lose the skills from the necro line.
i'm kinda sure that it won't happen, but i'm worried about the scenario of capping Flesh Golem and then losing it *dies*
i have the same dilemma with my ranger, cuz i wanna switch back and forth depending on the areas, but i frankly have no idea. i just got prophecies in ....march? and Factions in AUGUST ._.
My current rit is Guan Hao yes very asian but i used to play dynasty warriors and Guan Yu was my favorite guy and all the people are real so he's a blood relative
so yeah, i COULD make a rit/n and train with him in the beginning to get more experience with minion bombing, OR i could just change my profession and i don't know anything about changing secondary professions besides that your secondary profession changes
horseradish
i love ur ign btw.
Soy Oil hehe. also very asian
Soy Oil hehe. also very asian
Bargamer
Horseradish: Sounds like you need a Profession Changer NPC. To summarize, in Prophesies, you have to do a quest, in Factions you just pay 500G. You don't lose the skills, not even your Ranger Pet, and you can change back anytime by using the Attributes Tab. It's the dropdown menu at the top where it says your profession. You will need to buy the skills, but eh. Also, you can change the secondaries of your Heroes, and make them a bit more useful. As for starting a Rit from scratch, that IS the best way to use my guide, or you could just practice in Vizunah Square.
Honestly though, GW:EN has the Putrid Bile skill, which replaces Death Nova in so many ways. Let your Necro or Rit Hero do the Death Novas, hahaha! The end-game Rit staff in GW:EN is also pretty damn awesome, as it comes pre-equipped with +20% Enchants and HSR/HCT mods. The +30 Health was a yawn for me, as I never run out of Health with Taste of Death. XD
Now that I beat the game, I'm running around the Asura Lands farming for Reputation. Found Tarnished Haven, and doing the Cipher quests there. I want Slim Spectacles for Soy Oil, give her that "Sexy Librarian" look. 9K Rep to go... My only question is, should I go to Riven Earth, take the Golem 1.0, and just repeatedly farm Raptor Babies, or farm Magus Stones or Arbor Bay, as both of those have 3000+ enemies?
In other news, Bargamer the W/Mo is now 2 years old. He got Koss. How fitting. XD
Honestly though, GW:EN has the Putrid Bile skill, which replaces Death Nova in so many ways. Let your Necro or Rit Hero do the Death Novas, hahaha! The end-game Rit staff in GW:EN is also pretty damn awesome, as it comes pre-equipped with +20% Enchants and HSR/HCT mods. The +30 Health was a yawn for me, as I never run out of Health with Taste of Death. XD
Now that I beat the game, I'm running around the Asura Lands farming for Reputation. Found Tarnished Haven, and doing the Cipher quests there. I want Slim Spectacles for Soy Oil, give her that "Sexy Librarian" look.
9K Rep to go... My only question is, should I go to Riven Earth, take the Golem 1.0, and just repeatedly farm Raptor Babies, or farm Magus Stones or Arbor Bay, as both of those have 3000+ enemies?In other news, Bargamer the W/Mo is now 2 years old. He got Koss. How fitting. XD
horseradish
yay!
i DON'T lose any elites XD
oh, but.....i only have Factions and Prophecies so....yeah, i only have those skills -__-
my oldest character is.....5 months? and the farthest i've gotten in factions is Unwaking Waters (with my rit/mes) and Maguuma Jungle with my monk/warrior (which i'ma change to mesmer. my monk has NO energy management lol)
so anyways....how does your build translate to Unwaking Waters? i take it the minions don't explode close enough to .... Kunna..kunni...Ku-damnit you know, the dragon. i suck at names >.<
i am currently a resto rit
my build is
1. Attuned ws Songkai
2. Recuperation
3. Soothing Memories
4. Ghostly Haste
5. Draw Spirit
6. Spirit Light
7. Mend Body & Soul
8. Flesh of my flesh
16 resto.
13 spawning.
it's times like this that i wish i had nightfall and had Warmonger's weapon
and the lack of players all the TIME is disheartening :'(
i DON'T lose any elites XD
oh, but.....i only have Factions and Prophecies so....yeah, i only have those skills -__-
my oldest character is.....5 months? and the farthest i've gotten in factions is Unwaking Waters (with my rit/mes
) and Maguuma Jungle with my monk/warrior (which i'ma change to mesmer. my monk has NO energy management lol)so anyways....how does your build translate to Unwaking Waters? i take it the minions don't explode close enough to .... Kunna..kunni...Ku-damnit you know, the dragon. i suck at names >.<
i am currently a resto rit
my build is
1. Attuned ws Songkai
2. Recuperation
3. Soothing Memories
4. Ghostly Haste
5. Draw Spirit
6. Spirit Light
7. Mend Body & Soul
8. Flesh of my flesh
16 resto.
13 spawning.
it's times like this that i wish i had nightfall and had Warmonger's weapon
and the lack of players all the TIME is disheartening :'(
Bargamer
It's kinda hidden among the various comments, but sometimes, you just can't bomb. That is when you switch your build to a Spirit Spammer or a Resto Rit, sometimes a hybrid of both.
For Unwaking Waters, you can either bomb the Afflicted, Spirit Spam Shelter/Union and Life or such, or you can be a Resto Rit and concentrate on your party, while they take out Kuunavang. In each case, be damn careful that you don't die, or most likely everyone else will, too. Whatever you do, don't try to be a Necro-main and take Animate Bone Fiends and minion support spells and taking a direct role against the dragon, since he will just kill you and all your minions instantly.
Most of the reason Prophesies and Factions aren't getting much action is because most everyone is playing GWEN. When it is revealed what Hall of Monuments stuff carries over into GW2, all three-and-a-half Campaigns should balance out. This is, of course, wishful thinking. XDDD
In other news: Yay, page 7 and 19,500+ views!
For Unwaking Waters, you can either bomb the Afflicted, Spirit Spam Shelter/Union and Life or such, or you can be a Resto Rit and concentrate on your party, while they take out Kuunavang. In each case, be damn careful that you don't die, or most likely everyone else will, too. Whatever you do, don't try to be a Necro-main and take Animate Bone Fiends and minion support spells and taking a direct role against the dragon, since he will just kill you and all your minions instantly.
Most of the reason Prophesies and Factions aren't getting much action is because most everyone is playing GWEN. When it is revealed what Hall of Monuments stuff carries over into GW2, all three-and-a-half Campaigns should balance out. This is, of course, wishful thinking. XDDD
In other news: Yay, page 7 and 19,500+ views!
horseradish
YES that's his name. ^^;;
alright thx!
My current build worked for me so far, but the Dark Chain Lightnings are a bitch to heal, cuz the only "party heal" i have is NOTHING
Rits=greater single heal & party prot and conditional condition removers
Monks=more variety of moderate heals and MUCHO mejor single target protections and condition removals and hex removal
resto rit and proto monk=no worries
anyways...i just have to wait out the craze of GW:EN and ... i'ma make a new rit from scratch. it is one of my favorite classes so i'll have fun...except for the profession quests X__X
i guess i'm also gonna have to cap Rit lord for a defensive build, or i'll get 10k luxon faction again and get Summon Spirits and be a MOBILE offensive spirit spammer. lol. both builds seem to be really passive though. :/
so...if i can't bomb....i'll curse >=D
alright thx!
My current build worked for me so far, but the Dark Chain Lightnings are a bitch to heal, cuz the only "party heal" i have is NOTHING
Rits=greater single heal & party prot and conditional condition removers
Monks=more variety of moderate heals and MUCHO mejor single target protections and condition removals and hex removal
resto rit and proto monk=no worries
anyways...i just have to wait out the craze of GW:EN and ... i'ma make a new rit from scratch. it is one of my favorite classes so i'll have fun...except for the profession quests X__X
i guess i'm also gonna have to cap Rit lord for a defensive build, or i'll get 10k luxon faction again and get Summon Spirits and be a MOBILE offensive spirit spammer. lol. both builds seem to be really passive though. :/
so...if i can't bomb....i'll curse >=D
Fierce Eyed Tiger
Bargamer-
Thanks so much for posting this comprehensive explanation of the Rt/N Minion Bomber build and how to use it. It is the most well constructed post I've seen on the Web regarding not only the build itself, but all the little details about actually making it work. Thanks for including the EotN updates as well. It was so kind of you to share all your experience with the rest of us.
This post actually inspired me to create a new character, as you make the possibilities sound very intriguing. And with your helpful suggestions, I have run my new character around to level 20 in no time flat. I'm just loving it. I'll be bringing her over to EotN today.
Great work! Bless you.
Thanks so much for posting this comprehensive explanation of the Rt/N Minion Bomber build and how to use it. It is the most well constructed post I've seen on the Web regarding not only the build itself, but all the little details about actually making it work. Thanks for including the EotN updates as well. It was so kind of you to share all your experience with the rest of us.
This post actually inspired me to create a new character, as you make the possibilities sound very intriguing. And with your helpful suggestions, I have run my new character around to level 20 in no time flat. I'm just loving it. I'll be bringing her over to EotN today.
Great work! Bless you.
Bargamer
You're welcome, FET. As glad as I am to hear that the guide was helpful, was there anywhere in particular that I can improve upon? Some tips that you might find helpful, that I didn't include? Perhaps including the Spirit Spam and Resto builds that I've been using, into the Opening Post(OP)? (Seven pages is a lot to slog through, haha!)
I forgot to post this yesterday, but I did tweak the OP to adjust for Jagged Bones changes, Necro Hero, suggested equipment, as well as adding sections for GWEN. (I only beat it a few days ago. Yeah, I'm slow.)
I forgot to post this yesterday, but I did tweak the OP to adjust for Jagged Bones changes, Necro Hero, suggested equipment, as well as adding sections for GWEN. (I only beat it a few days ago. Yeah, I'm slow.)