The New Minion Bomber
Bargamer
Did some skillbar tweaking when I was in a PUG with a good friend of mine. Now, if you're pretty confident about your Hero/Hench Monk bars, or you're in a PUG with some good Monks, you have a tad more freedom due to the dropping of Flesh/Flesh. I also loosened up on Master of Whisper's bar.
Bargamer
Changed the pic in the OP, to show off my new SEXY LIBRARIAN GLASSES and my Droknar's Spawning Staff. Not as obvious is the 20/20 Death Wand and the Armind's Focus in the second weapon slot. We switch between these often, depending on what we're casting.
If you want me to change it back, please Private Message or /whisper me in-game, don't vote in this thread. Similarly if you want to call me a wierdo or a creepy pervert.
If you want me to change it back, please Private Message or /whisper me in-game, don't vote in this thread. Similarly if you want to call me a wierdo or a creepy pervert.
dicecube
stop bumping this thread every couple hours jeez.. noob question how do i unsubscribed to this thread?
dicecube
^thx and thx for the pm bargamer
horseradish
i love those glasses lol ^_^
horseradish
Oh Shit Look Out! Flying Carpets Are Gonna Attack You!!!111!!!!!!!1
Bargamer
Tweaked Zhed's skill bar around, and now Zhed has his own Hero section in the OP! Essentially, he can spread more Burning, Hexes with Mark of Rodgort and Incindiary Bonds, and Searing Flames for damage. Necrosis has never been so target-happy!
Little Shenanigan
thanks this kinda helped me decide to keep my rit...i couldn't really figure out what to do with it before, besides running spirits and healing...thanks again ^^;
this kinda helped me decide to keep my rit...i couldn't really figure out what to do with it before, besides running spirits and healing...thanks again ^^;
Bargamer
Apologies to all for the lack of the latter quarter of the Opening Post, this is the result of a bug. It has been reported, and I am seeking a PM regarding a good solution as soon as I wake up the next morning. Possibly afternoon, I was edit-fishing until 3AM. 
PS: Don't ask about the bug, it's wierd and unique.
PPS: How do you nifty people do those [skill] and [card] tags?
PS: Don't ask about the bug, it's wierd and unique.
PPS: How do you nifty people do those [skill] and [card] tags?
Bargamer
... ... I'm sorry, but you realize Anet just completely nerfed Spirit Spamming in PVE now, right? Here we were, trying to "Redefining the Rit Design 1&2," and they slap us with a HP nerf to offset Spawning Power, compound that with a Burning vulnerability, and yet have the gall to go "We hope noone is gonna go 8 Searing Flames Ele." Um, Go Red Engine and all that. (To this day I suspect that filter is a parody of the WAAAHmbulance.)
On the other hand, they finally fixed the Putrid Bile bug that didn't turn bars purple, and on the offensive side, longer burn durations mean more degen and longer windows to cast the other spells in the Ele Hero bar. The nerfbat skipped entirely over the minion bomber. Oh, true, there was no Jagged Bones buff, but we hardly expected better. I mean, who complains about an MM in PVP anyways? Just spike him to death. Therefore, that meta was ignored.
With the increased emphasis on split tactics and continued nerfbats, why don't they just homogenize all the classes, remove all the skills in the game except for 8, and call it a day? Oh, wait. Those are called Holiday PVP arenas. LOLcakes.
New skill: "Where Did Everybody Go?"
On the other hand, they finally fixed the Putrid Bile bug that didn't turn bars purple, and on the offensive side, longer burn durations mean more degen and longer windows to cast the other spells in the Ele Hero bar. The nerfbat skipped entirely over the minion bomber. Oh, true, there was no Jagged Bones buff, but we hardly expected better. I mean, who complains about an MM in PVP anyways? Just spike him to death. Therefore, that meta was ignored.
With the increased emphasis on split tactics and continued nerfbats, why don't they just homogenize all the classes, remove all the skills in the game except for 8, and call it a day? Oh, wait. Those are called Holiday PVP arenas. LOLcakes.
New skill: "Where Did Everybody Go?"
horseradish
what runes do you use for your armor besides the attribute upgrades?
Bargamer
It's mentioned in the OP as suggestions, but I went with all Radiant Insignia, Sup Spawning, Sup Vigor, Minor Resto, and 2 Attunements. All together, that's +12 Energy, almost enough for another Animate.
Resist the temptation to go for Blessed, which gives +10 Armor for being under Enchantments, because if you're casting enough Animates, they should never get past your screen of Minions. Ditto for Survivor, a measly 40 Health, especially when you can just Taste of Death for 340.
Resist the temptation to go for Blessed, which gives +10 Armor for being under Enchantments, because if you're casting enough Animates, they should never get past your screen of Minions. Ditto for Survivor, a measly 40 Health, especially when you can just Taste of Death for 340.
AuraofMana
Dark Bond for victory.
Bargamer
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Originally Posted by AuraofMana
Dark Bond for victory.
For PVP, sure. Otherwise, speccing into Blood is just another Attribute Line that you really can't afford. Dark Bond only has one use: passive damage mitigation. Taste of Death is both an active heal AND a Big Red Button. Besides, you're a midline caster with a max of 18 minions between you and them. It's not like you're tanking. Granted, those Sins can jump to you, but in PVE, they won't insta-kill you. Just kite them off.
Another PVP note: Shatter Enchantment will just RUIN your day. /report griefers will, too. And most PVPers know to spike N/* and */N regardless of whether they're a MM or not. So... IMHO, stay away from PVP.
Another PVP note: Shatter Enchantment will just RUIN your day. /report griefers will, too. And most PVPers know to spike N/* and */N regardless of whether they're a MM or not. So... IMHO, stay away from PVP.
AuraofMana
Very late response but what the heck:
You can put nothing in Blood and keep Dark Bond up always, and I doubt you have exactly no points left. Usually you can get it r1~3 Blood.
~How do you get a max of 18 minions?? As a non-Nec primary, you only get 8.
Stay away from PvP? Just play AB and you will have way more corpses than you need. With the amount of idiots and failure mobs running around in AB these days, it's kind of hard not to die as an invincible MM, of course, this doesn't go well as a Rt/N bomber since the goal is to blow up minions, now keep them alive and thus keeping you alive.
Enchant stripping would basically destroy the Invincible MM and cripple the Rt/N, but hey, like I said. Idiots in AB means you can play a 55 with SOJ as your only damage source and you will probably hit the highest kill in the game with all the idiot sins and wars thinking they can take you down before you can take them down. So I do enjoy Sins dropping in on my MM on the few occasion I feel like conquering the entire AB with my minions. The Sins usually hits 2x, realize he's taking heavy damage, tries to escape, but still ends up getting caught in the cold grip of death and turns into a Fiend 3 sec later.
You can put nothing in Blood and keep Dark Bond up always, and I doubt you have exactly no points left. Usually you can get it r1~3 Blood.
~How do you get a max of 18 minions?? As a non-Nec primary, you only get 8.
Stay away from PvP? Just play AB and you will have way more corpses than you need. With the amount of idiots and failure mobs running around in AB these days, it's kind of hard not to die as an invincible MM, of course, this doesn't go well as a Rt/N bomber since the goal is to blow up minions, now keep them alive and thus keeping you alive.
Enchant stripping would basically destroy the Invincible MM and cripple the Rt/N, but hey, like I said. Idiots in AB means you can play a 55 with SOJ as your only damage source and you will probably hit the highest kill in the game with all the idiot sins and wars thinking they can take you down before you can take them down. So I do enjoy Sins dropping in on my MM on the few occasion I feel like conquering the entire AB with my minions. The Sins usually hits 2x, realize he's taking heavy damage, tries to escape, but still ends up getting caught in the cold grip of death and turns into a Fiend 3 sec later.
Bargamer
You + Necro Hero = 18 minions in PVE. Sorry for the confusion. And yeah, since nobody brings a rez to AB or GVG, you can safely drop the 3 Resto feeding Flesh/Flesh and go 3 Blood. (I hate rage-quitters and rage-/reporters. I hate PVP. A lot. )
A 55 Invinci-Rit with SOJ? But then how are you Animating? Please clarify.
Just a reminder, for enchant-strip-heavy PVP or whatever, Reclaim Essence is great Energy-Management and Kill Button.
A 55 Invinci-Rit with SOJ? But then how are you Animating? Please clarify.
Just a reminder, for enchant-strip-heavy PVP or whatever, Reclaim Essence is great Energy-Management and Kill Button.
N E D M
Quote:
You cant have 5 energy and 15 over 50 on one sword...
Bargamer
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Originally Posted by N E D M
You cant have 5 energy and 15 over 50 on one sword...
You are quite right. I meant to put a forward slash there instead of a comma. Thanks for the catch!
Halloween was pretty fun. Call me silly, but I actually laughed at the Mad King's jokes. Got both masks, too. Now though, I'm playing Hellgate: London, at least until the next big thing comes, it'll probably be Winterfest.
Halloween was pretty fun. Call me silly, but I actually laughed at the Mad King's jokes. Got both masks, too. Now though, I'm playing Hellgate: London, at least until the next big thing comes, it'll probably be Winterfest.
Bargamer
Ok, I kept quiet because LoD and Splinter Weapon nerfs make me shrug. Poor Splinter Barrage builds, right? But when they took spirits and Ranger pets away from Necros, I started laughing, calmed down, and just shook my head with pity. I'm serious, they keep this "skill balance update," and Rits WILL be the new Necros. Boon of Creation is now on par with Soul Reaping, in just about every way, especially with Animate Bone Minions.
What's next, making 10 Fiends do only as much damage as a single Henchy Ranger? Nerfing the Golem to only do as much damage as a lvl 20 tanking pet? Maybe give them a perma-Dazed effect! Or when the MM dies, all the minions only attack the party! Change their armor skins to bright pastels!
This new Soul Reaping is like Vista for Necromancers. (I guess that makes Ritualists XP, and Prophesies Necros were Linux: Once you learn2program, you were cruising solo through the game.)
What's next, making 10 Fiends do only as much damage as a single Henchy Ranger? Nerfing the Golem to only do as much damage as a lvl 20 tanking pet? Maybe give them a perma-Dazed effect! Or when the MM dies, all the minions only attack the party! Change their armor skins to bright pastels!
This new Soul Reaping is like Vista for Necromancers. (I guess that makes Ritualists XP, and Prophesies Necros were Linux: Once you learn2program, you were cruising solo through the game.)
Bargamer
If you have not noticed already, the OP was getting waaaaay too big, so I split it up into two smaller posts, with one space left for the GW2 content. It was a gamble, since we don't even know what's GW2 gonna look like, but eh. Apologies to the folks who got their posts deleted, but you will be fondly remembered, especially since they were intelligent, helpful, and full of praise. Now, to business!
Quietly laughed a few weeks ago as Spirits got burned, literally, and the Rit/N was untouched.
Minor tweakage of the Necro Hero skill bars, including one build using Signets from the Mesmer profession to further aid Energy Management.
*Inserts minor griping about all the lvl 10 noobs in GWEN. Inserts minor griping about Hellgate: London, and how the Summoner class sucks compared to GW, and to Minion Bombing especially.*
Quietly laughed a few weeks ago as Spirits got burned, literally, and the Rit/N was untouched.
Minor tweakage of the Necro Hero skill bars, including one build using Signets from the Mesmer profession to further aid Energy Management.
*Inserts minor griping about all the lvl 10 noobs in GWEN. Inserts minor griping about Hellgate: London, and how the Summoner class sucks compared to GW, and to Minion Bombing especially.*
Bobby2
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Originally Posted by AuraofMana
You can put nothing in Blood and keep Dark Bond up always
Just thought it should be highlighted again... whatever makes minions die faster, right? 
Bargamer
The past few weeks have been kind to me. Got max Sunspear Rank one weekend, a Celestial Rat the next, and spent the odd hour here and there re-acquainting myself to Tyria all over again. From as far away as Ascalon City. Because I WANTED to. And well, a good friend or two with Ursan-way can REALLY make an annoying mission like Tahnnakai Temple or Arborstone go by a lot faster. Did Tanny in 16 minutes, which was great. ALMOST wrecked Arborstone, but Danika got stuck and died. XP
Updated the OP1 and 2 to reflect these personal updates, as well as changing a few titles to include Prophesies. More as I progress.
(And for those of you who say that Rits have no place in Prophesies, you can spot a few Necros dressed up like Rits in the later areas and missions. We show them how it is done. XD)
Updated the OP1 and 2 to reflect these personal updates, as well as changing a few titles to include Prophesies. More as I progress.
(And for those of you who say that Rits have no place in Prophesies, you can spot a few Necros dressed up like Rits in the later areas and missions. We show them how it is done. XD)
Bargamer
I have added gwBBCode to the Opening Posts! Let me know how you like it, and whether you want me to change it back. If you're getting "?" from hovering over it, you just need to wait a few seconds for your browser to finish DLing the data. When saving build templates, they won't show up until you shut down GW, put the text files in the appropriate folder, and boot it up again.
I think it looks pretty. XD
I think it looks pretty. XD
Bront
This build inspired me to try a Rit. It was interesting so far, though I got distracted with something else (easy to do).
Wouldn't a +20% Enchanting staff be useful to increase the length of enchantments? You're getting 6-12 seconds out of it depending on the enchantment, seems worthwhile.
Wouldn't a +20% Enchanting staff be useful to increase the length of enchantments? You're getting 6-12 seconds out of it depending on the enchantment, seems worthwhile.
Bargamer
At 12 Spawning Power, the Boon of Creation and Explosive Growth Enchantments last 51 seconds, which is longer than any one Enchantment's recharge plus Boon's, EG's, and SG's casting times. (51 > 45+2+2+1) That's why, under Suggested Equipment, I don't ask that someone get an Enchanting Mod for their Staff in a second Weapon Slot until Elite or Optional Equipment. You don't REALLY need it, but it is handy.
The Rift
i was wondering, does Master of Whispers also apply death nova on youre minions? or only on those of himself?
Bargamer
He drops Death Nova on all minions, including those of other allies in a mission, like in Vizunah Square.
Bront
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Originally Posted by Arcanus
i was wondering, does Master of Whispers also apply death nova on youre minions? or only on those of himself?
Henchies will Death Nova anyone. I've been death novaed by a hero before.
Bargamer
A fact you will often be grateful for in Nightfall, as Gehraz the Dervish LOVES getting Death Nova, since his [Signet of Pious Light] just gobbles it up. And if he Does It Wrong, well... he IS in explosion range...
MasterSasori
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Originally Posted by Bront
Henchies will Death Nova anyone. I've been death novaed by a hero before.
Yeah its kinda insulting.
Bargamer
No, "insulting" would be if you were Death Nova-ed, died, didn't take anyone out with you in the explosion, and then someone Animated from your corpse before you were rezzed. THAT would just SUCK. XDDD
Hasn't happened to me yet, but MAN, I'm almost looking forward to it, just so I can put it on YouTube or lolcats or something.
Hasn't happened to me yet, but MAN, I'm almost looking forward to it, just so I can put it on YouTube or lolcats or something.
MasterSasori
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Originally Posted by Bargamer
No, "insulting" would be if you were Death Nova-ed, died, didn't take anyone out with you in the explosion, and then someone Animated from your corpse before you were rezzed. THAT would just SUCK. XDDD
Hasn't happened to me yet, but MAN, I'm almost looking forward to it, just so I can put it on YouTube or lolcats or something. God that would suck lol.
Having someone make a minion out of you is just hilarious.
Hasn't happened to me yet, but MAN, I'm almost looking forward to it, just so I can put it on YouTube or lolcats or something. God that would suck lol.
Having someone make a minion out of you is just hilarious.
Bront
Yeah, that's being boned, GW style
kazjun
It's okay, had razah running this ages back in NF. Not the same as a real N/X MM though. And a 16 death necro's minions hurt as well as make dnova damage.
Bargamer
Yeah, this is also a Hero Build, as long as you're willing to work with Artificial Stupidity.
Speaking of Hero AI = Fail, the Norn Tourny Communing Rit build works GREAT against the Doppleganger. Just put Painful Bond on it, drop Wanderlust, then a bunch of other spirits, Gaze of Fury if you need it, and boom, less than 30 seconds later, Doppleganger is down. XDDD
Speaking of Hero AI = Fail, the Norn Tourny Communing Rit build works GREAT against the Doppleganger. Just put Painful Bond on it, drop Wanderlust, then a bunch of other spirits, Gaze of Fury if you need it, and boom, less than 30 seconds later, Doppleganger is down. XDDD
MasterSasori
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Originally Posted by Bargamer
Yeah, this is also a Hero Build, as long as you're willing to work with Artificial Stupidity.
Speaking of Hero AI = Fail, the Norn Tourny Communing Rit build works GREAT against the Doppleganger. Just put Painful Bond on it, drop Wanderlust, then a bunch of other spirits, Gaze of Fury if you need it, and boom, less than 30 seconds later, Doppleganger is down. XDDD Doppel really is the dumbest thing since henchmen.
Speaking of Hero AI = Fail, the Norn Tourny Communing Rit build works GREAT against the Doppleganger. Just put Painful Bond on it, drop Wanderlust, then a bunch of other spirits, Gaze of Fury if you need it, and boom, less than 30 seconds later, Doppleganger is down. XDDD Doppel really is the dumbest thing since henchmen.
Bront
I had success with an RT/N bomber Hero running this in Shards of Orr (mostly because I didn't have a second N to run an MM, and I wanted a N/RT healer.
Worked quite well. Swaped out Putred Bile for Death Nova, and threw in Blood of the Master.
Worked quite well. Swaped out Putred Bile for Death Nova, and threw in Blood of the Master.
Bargamer
Glad to hear this worked well as a Hero build! Giving a Hero Death Nova to play with instead of yourself is always a good idea. 
Speaking of skills you can play with, Feast of the Dead and Dwayna's Sorrow got AI tweaks, so here's two more Hero bars for MoW to play with:
In this build, Necro-mains show Rits how it's done, with a massive 3 Enchants per minion, Dark Bond and SoLS to keep the Necro up and running, BotM to keep minions alive in between battles, and Putrid Bile just for fun. Recommended for caster-heavy parties.
[Necro Minion Bomber;OANEQSxm2IVFsUhGY0oIgHoAWVB]
In this build, MoW holds onto his Fiends with Feast for the Dead for in battle, and BotM for emergency situations and out of battle. In case the degen or the damage gets too much, Dwayna's Sorrow is there to keep the party alive while Nova, IV, and SoS punishes the enemy for their impudence. SoLS, natch. Recommended for melee-heavy parties.
[Necro Fiends Feaster;OANDUspNOUBjGaomNVVq4hqK]
Speaking of skills you can play with, Feast of the Dead and Dwayna's Sorrow got AI tweaks, so here's two more Hero bars for MoW to play with:
In this build, Necro-mains show Rits how it's done, with a massive 3 Enchants per minion, Dark Bond and SoLS to keep the Necro up and running, BotM to keep minions alive in between battles, and Putrid Bile just for fun. Recommended for caster-heavy parties.
[Necro Minion Bomber;OANEQSxm2IVFsUhGY0oIgHoAWVB]
In this build, MoW holds onto his Fiends with Feast for the Dead for in battle, and BotM for emergency situations and out of battle. In case the degen or the damage gets too much, Dwayna's Sorrow is there to keep the party alive while Nova, IV, and SoS punishes the enemy for their impudence. SoLS, natch. Recommended for melee-heavy parties.
[Necro Fiends Feaster;OANDUspNOUBjGaomNVVq4hqK]
Bargamer
Goofing around in AB with the guildies, and this variation worked out pretty well. Due to 4-4-4 groups, Deathly Swarm is VERY worth it. It's only weakness are Ele spikes and other overwhelming DPS. Still trying to figure out whether or not Nova is worth the annoyance. Assuming you run around with a Ranger, SF Nuker, or someone else to spread Conditions, that should take care of Discord's prerequisite, and Condition/Hex removal is laid on the Monk.
[Bomber PVP;OASjUwhDJTKCOTNTpBYCVBKgxMA]
[Bomber PVP;OASjUwhDJTKCOTNTpBYCVBKgxMA]
-Makai-
You spent a great deal of time on this guide, so I believe a bump is in order.
I made a new Rit last night for the sole purpose of running this build. I'm still at Shing Jea, but so far, it's been nothing but fun. One gets tired of running the same ol' Channeling/Resto hybrid; I can't wait to get to Kamadan.
I made a new Rit last night for the sole purpose of running this build. I'm still at Shing Jea, but so far, it's been nothing but fun. One gets tired of running the same ol' Channeling/Resto hybrid; I can't wait to get to Kamadan.