[Merged]Aspenwood Leeching/Concerns for x2 Faction Event/Leech Bot Speculation - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Dionyzuz

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Fratres in Aeternum

N/Me

29 May 2006 at 12:08 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by obastable

If you aren't doing anything, maybe the game can take some initiative and kick you out.

I don´t think that´s the solution, cause imagin situations where u do missions with guildies, and u have to answer the door or sumthing like that.
It would at least be some 15 minutes.
But than again, if u solo areas it could be a pain in the ass.

~Kill the bots, kill em all!~

Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

Me/

29 May 2006 at 15:42 - 42

Id like to see ANet "test the waters" soley with *Fort Aspenwood* and implement something for AFKs

the mission is less than 20minutes long

one possibility:
a combination of an Idle Meter and Vote System - that allows the team to Vote to BOOTAFK anyone whos not playing if Idle for 5+ min

this may not be appropiate in other areas of GuildWars but Fort Aspenwood needs "something" to address all the repeat name AFKers im seeing

I've reported them but now what?

killer toast

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

im a guild RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO so not gonna waste time

W/Mo

29 May 2006 at 15:58 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega X

For Missions, could be farming items/gold without working for it.

well i was doing a mission in factions and we had this one worthless monk who would follow me and just recast divine intervision on me when we werent even fighting. also he would just spam heal area out of no where but when he did get a gold drop he didnt even pick it up. so i just sat there until it went to everyone and i got it (20% demonslaying staff wrapping ftw -.-).

John_Doe

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

29 May 2006 at 17:22 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by obastable

As to an anti-bot function in the challenges, how about something as (seemingly) simple as an auto-disconnect after being idle and/or not using skills for XX amount of time. If you aren't doing anything, maybe the game can take some initiative and kick you out.

That would be fairly easy to circumvent by telling the bot to move or use a skill every now and then.

Lepton CFd

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Pantheon of Shadows [dei]

Mo/Me

29 May 2006 at 19:12 - 45

lol, what an annoying bot...

Pillz_veritas

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fun Loving Gamers

R/Mo

29 May 2006 at 19:28 - 46

I had a VERY similiar experience with such a bot but it was alot wierder...

I was doing the stolen eggs quest, and this guy joins the group. He is a warrior. So we start the quest, and i say we should run to the first portal, there were 8 human players. Me being a monk didnt want to risk getting killed and getting DP, so I stayed behind and let the other people run. Well this warrior stayed behind to... So I started to move and it folowed me. I moved every which way, and he was always behind me. I stoped, he stoped, I moved, He moved. Then we zones to the other zone. At this point I was starting to get annoyed, He was still folowing me everywhere we went. so we go on, and the warrior is still behind me. the first group we see, he runs off to them and then we see him use his skill bar, every 2 seconds the bot would go from 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and use those skills. it was obvious because you saw a few of them that had cast times get canceled, over and over again! So we go on, and then the 7 of us die. Guess who is the one who survived. The W/Mo bot, who we started to yell at to either die or rez us... 2 minutes latter, as we were about to leave, a patrol comes into his line of site, he tabs him into view, and away he goes 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8. And he dies, Shortly afterwards we went and finished the quest. A few minutes latter he sent me an IM and said the following. "H4 H4 H4, n00b ! \/\/@$ us1ng hax0rz!!!" Screenshoted, and reported.

arcady

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

San Francisco native

Mo/P

29 May 2006 at 19:46 - 47

In parties you can kick out a member, can't you do that on missions as well?

Pillz_veritas

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fun Loving Gamers

R/Mo

29 May 2006 at 20:12 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcady

In parties you can kick out a member, can't you do that on missions as well?

Durring the middle of a mission? please tell me how!

Count to Potato

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Imagination Land

I Swear She Was Eighteen [Gwen]

W/

29 May 2006 at 22:44 - 49

easy faction farming, why make it leech, why not just let it run in circles and say IM LAGGING, SRY IM NOTA BOT BTW

Lets Get to Healing

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

You want see?

True Gods of War [True]

Mo/W

29 May 2006 at 23:59 - 50

Bots suck. Dont give them the pleasure of being there. Tell the dist hes a bot.

Stabber

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Plane of Oblivion

Sigilum Sanguis [keep]

Me/W

30 May 2006 at 00:15 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lets Get to Healing

Bots suck. Dont give them the pleasure of being there. Tell the dist hes a bot.

Fat load of good that will do with random matchings. How are you going to prevent that bot from joining the next game?

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

30 May 2006 at 01:57 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count to Potato

easy faction farming, why make it leech, why not just let it run in circles and say IM LAGGING, SRY IM NOTA BOT BTW

Your the smartest person ever. You should program bots and make them say that

VGJustice

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Tyria, cappin' ur bosses

Boston Guild [BG]

R/W

30 May 2006 at 05:38 - 53

Oddly, this new bot program is more useful than the previous "Stand there like I'm lagging" bots. No, really, I mean it.

Think of it this way: Now the guy in the #1 position has a temporary meat shield when they need it. If you get mobbed, and you have a body to hide behind, that could be useful, unlike a bot that just stands there at the begining and does nothing. That's one more target for the enemies to attack, which will slow them down (slightly) so they're not killing the spawn locations. This could be quite useful when used properly.

But, in continued seriousness, report their botting butts. They're still worthless, just a bit less so now.

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Deimos Tel Arin [CCTV]

W/

30 May 2006 at 08:06 - 54

Various suggestions to improve Fort Aspenwood and Jade Quarry

Direwolf76

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2006

I Feel Awesome [IFA]

R/

30 May 2006 at 09:34 - 55

What?!!

You mean that this monk who was following and healing me all along the round hasn't choosen me because he though i was the best player of the party?!!

I'm sooo disappointed!

I was so happy to have my "personnal monk" behind me... I felt invincible!

Eet GnomeSmasher

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

In my head

30 May 2006 at 09:49 - 56

What irks me is that I know people, including me, have been reporting these habitual botters/AFKers and they're STILL there doing it. I know it takes some work to investigate stuff like this but something needs to be done already...

Unkillable Cat

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

New Dragons

Mo/R

30 May 2006 at 10:14 - 57

well there seemed to be fewer of them yesterday, either that or I just got lucky.

TheMadKingGeorge

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

None

Mo/W

30 May 2006 at 10:24 - 58

i go afk in aspenwood as anet has took there time to make some decent pve missions

Denny Pace

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Good Eye Sniper [GeS]

30 May 2006 at 11:22 - 59

Yesterday, there were several times where I was on a Kurzick team with two monks, only to have the two monks quit right after the mission began. It wasn't the same two monks, and it happened no less than three times.

The whole design of this type of mission is flawed, allowing multiple groups of people to join the same team. Both Aspenwood and Alliance battles need to be restricted to full teams of a single guild or alliance. That way the guild/alliance can police itself. No more randomness, which allows buttwipes to ruin the fun for everyone else.

C'mon, Anet, you did a mea culpa for us on the buy-back of attribute points, a core idea that simply wasn't a good one. Isn't it time to do one for Aspenwood/Jade Quarry/Alliance battles?

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

30 May 2006 at 12:35 - 60

Quote:

Both Aspenwood and Alliance battles need to be restricted to full teams of a single guild or alliance.

/not signed

While I agree the system is broken right now, this is not the way to fix it. You're forgetting about people who are in small guilds or aren't in a guild at all. It would completely screw these players.

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

30 May 2006 at 13:01 - 61

What is it.
Bots that just stand there and do nowt. Too obvious
Bots that follow people and do nowt. Not as obvious but equally as useless
Bots that follow people and cast the same couple of spells. A little bit better, still useless though

Eventually they'll be better than the actual henchman

All in the aim of not getting spotted for botting.

Fitz Rinley

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Rusty Rose

W/Mo

30 May 2006 at 13:21 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ira Blinks

duh... report it!

Reporting it will not stop faction farming by bots. Now that it is done, it will become Elona. Unless such a person is donating to TC, then they can (with two active accounts) shut down all so-called ''elite'' missions. Soon, they can begin charging 10k a person to enter any elite area and then sell that gold on E-bay.

I just can't avoid saying, ''I told you so.''

Fitz

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

30 May 2006 at 14:10 - 63

It's just a matter of time before you start seeing faction for sale on E-Bay...

kimahri

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Defenders of the Blackblade [DotB]

E/

30 May 2006 at 15:13 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoRrRan

I think I also encountered a bot in RA. This one only casted Mending on the four of us and nothing else. He/She didn't respond to us and the only thing it did was cast Mending, sometimes even more than once, thus indicating non-human behaviour. I have seen this 'player' on other teams in RA as well, and again, the only thing that was being casted was Mending.

I didn't take screenshots, as how easy is it to designate a character as a bot?

(And surprisingly we managed to get to 8 consecutives with only mending on us for healing. (i.e. Mending rules))

Played with that monk, I just thought it was a newb.

Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

Me/

30 May 2006 at 16:03 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMadKingGeorge

i go afk in aspenwood as anet has took there time to make some decent pve missions

after 5 minutes,
I take screenshots of AFK people in the Ft.Aspenwood mission

I fillout a violation report to http://www.guildwars.com/support/
about how the AFKs are griefing me and enclose associated screenshots

Denny Pace

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Good Eye Sniper [GeS]

30 May 2006 at 17:16 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by WoodyDotNet

/not signed

While I agree the system is broken right now, this is not the way to fix it. You're forgetting about people who are in small guilds or aren't in a guild at all. It would completely screw these players.

While that is indeed a concern, I feel that it is outweighed by the constant exploitation of these missions. I also feel that one of the intents of factions is to persuade people to join guilds and alliances. My proposed change would also push in that direction.

If the PVE team missions were restricted to full alliance/guild teams, at least there'd be some way to self-police. I don't feel that Anet should be responsible for this.

Renegade ++RIP++

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

30 May 2006 at 22:42 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denny Pace

While that is indeed a concern, I feel that it is outweighed by the constant exploitation of these missions. I also feel that one of the intents of factions is to persuade people to join guilds and alliances. My proposed change would also push in that direction.

If the PVE team missions were restricted to full alliance/guild teams, at least there'd be some way to self-police. I don't feel that Anet should be responsible for this.

i will never join alliances or guilds simply to get access to some area...

I joined the guild i'm in since it are people i know, and tbh i don't give a rats behind for any of those competetive items like gvg, ha since all i get out of it is more stress then relaxation which i actually bought gw for not to menbtion that after 10 times doing it it is boring as hell...

in any case, easiest way to solve it is starting with a /kickvote option so they at least don't get free faction which would take away the use for these bots.

Unkillable Cat

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

New Dragons

Mo/R

31 May 2006 at 03:07 - 68

spotted an even more obvious one tonight, this one runs in a straight line from the start until it gets stuck on a wall, then spends the rest of the match there. What sort of an idiot diddnt think that would get spotted?

One interesting thing is both bots had the [SB] tag

wilebill

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mt Vernon, Ohio

Band of the Hawk

W/Mo

16 Aug 2006 at 14:44 - 69

Moderator, I don't intend this as a flame, but as a serious expression of concern.

The upcoming Competitive Weekend of Fun will provide double faction at Fort Aspenwood and The Jade Quarry. Factions PvP players will also have access to the two missions for the first time. This would be a great and good thing, mixing some people who are 100% PvP with the rest of the PvE crowd to the benefit of both. But there is a serious problem, and that problem is the leachers at Fort Aspenwood.

I just left Fort Aspenwood, playing on the Kurzick side, and all groups this morning had at least one leacher. The last group had four (4) leachers. Leachers are usually bot programs that log the robot player into the mission and the bot player then just stands there for the entire mission contributing nothing, but getting a faction reward the the bot operator can then exchange for amber at House Zu Heltzer.

With double faction being awarded, it is reasonable to expect the leaching bot operators to turn out in full force to take advantage of this windfall. So groups will probably have anywhere from 1 to 4, or even more leachers, leaving very underpowered groups. The new PvP players at the Fort and at the Quarry are not going to like this at all, and will wonder why they have been invited to a substandard playing experience that leaves them feeling annoyed and disgruntled.

The leachers in Fort Aspenwood this morning were old and familiar names to the regulars there. They have been reported over and over again, but ANet has not taken action against them, or cannot take action against them, whichever the case might be.

Since it looks like the upcoming Competitive Weekend of Fun will mostly benefit leachers and mostly annoy players, I would suggest that ANet cancel it "for technical reasons" until such time as leaching can be controlled at the Fort and at the Quarry.

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

16 Aug 2006 at 14:52 - 70

Doesnt it say that pvp characters can get to this when its over?

Ellipson

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Hic Sunt Leones [HiC]

Me/

16 Aug 2006 at 14:55 - 71

I agree with everything you wrote except for diehard PvP players coming to Fort Aspenwood and Jade Quarry - at this point, most have seemed to make up their minds one way or another whether they are worth playing. I think what you will see is leechers (as you said), characters switching sides, and people trying new builds. Depending on the leech situation, I wouldn't be suprised to see new tactics for each come out of it.

Me, I just hope I can actually play Jade Quarry!

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

16 Aug 2006 at 14:56 - 72

I've never played in these missions, but how can a bot get into a human group?

Surely, the group will ask some questions?

Shadwu

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Finland

Leones Justicia [LEO]

Me/Mo

16 Aug 2006 at 14:59 - 73

You cant make groups, its RA style

Elrodien

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Barbie's Motorhome

The Biggyverse [PLEB]

Me/

16 Aug 2006 at 15:00 - 74

You dont need to join a group first, you just click 'enter mission' and wait until there are enough of you to start.

Deacon Roswell

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

San Diego

Absence of Evidence [AoE]

16 Aug 2006 at 15:00 - 75

You don't pick your group for Fort Aspenwood and Jade Quary. You simply hit "enter mission" and it randomly assigns you a group.

Doh! A few people beat me to it while I was typing.

frickett

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Shinigami Keys [SHIN]

R/Mo

16 Aug 2006 at 15:01 - 76

Ill be there with my monk, healing and protecting the turtles...I shall not leech, and I shall not let leechers annoy me. I will play, and be happy.

kmburton

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

Texas

Heroes Etc. [HeEt]

R/

16 Aug 2006 at 15:01 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordakai

I've never played in these missions, but how can a bot get into a human group?

Surely, the group will ask some questions?

For these two missions groups are made up the same way they are for RA. The game throws random groups of people together. So essentially, all the leeachers have to do is run a macro to "enter mission"...
HTH

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

16 Aug 2006 at 15:02 - 78

You click "enter mission" and it automatically pairs you up with your group. It's simple to write a macro for a bot to hit enter mission everytime than just sit there. Occasionally some have a vamp weapon to make it seem like they are fighting ><. The best part is... we can't do much about it! yay!

edit: didn't see someone already posted the information

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

E/

16 Aug 2006 at 15:12 - 79

I will hope that there are more leachers on the other team!

My mesmer will then have a field day.

I'm sorry - that's very bad sportsmanship!

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

16 Aug 2006 at 15:16 - 80

LOL, I think I got it, thanks for all the responses.

Seems like that would be a problem Anet would like to fix very soon.... although I'm not sure how. Must be some way to keep bots out.