In regards to the OP's post. I agree whole heartedly with your sentiments about leechers. But, I must say that I am glad about the event, even without double faction, just for the fact that it will finnally make it possible to get enough players into Jade Quarry to play and explore. I have only been able to get in once in 3 months, and that was because my alliance split up and played both sides.
As far as getting faction I prefer AB (Alliance Battles) because they can only be accessed from the guild hall, which tends to screen out leechers. Plus, it is easier to make 10K than FA or JQ. 1250 per win vice 650. I have earned more for a loss in AB than for wins at FA. And, yes I do realize that this is not an option for people that are not in a guild.
I had to play Fort Aspenwood before I was in a guild. At first I hated even being in a team with a leecher and working to earn them faction for doing nothing. 3 months later, I could care less, as it has become obvious there is no "fix" coming anytime soon. So I just use it to work on builds. If we win we win, if we lose we lose. I get something positive out of it either way, a better build. It's only a game, and I'm not going to let Anet's lack of concern about leechers ruin my real day...
[Merged]Aspenwood Leeching/Concerns for x2 Faction Event/Leech Bot Speculation
kmburton
Swinging Fists
Neo Nugget: The PvP character access to the two missions will be introduced at this weekend's event and will remain thereafter.
Aren't there leechers in RA ? I thought there were, and if so, I'm sure PvPers are used to it. I wouldn't say they should feel annoyed at having been invited to a substandard playing experience. We were all invited to the Nightfall PvP weekend, and I'm sure some of us tried it and quickly decided to just go back to what we were doing before, without getting annoyed. It's not that big a deal. If they don't like Ft. Aspenwood or Jade Quarry, they simply will resume their normal gameplay. Why get annoyed ?
Ridiculous.
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The new PvP players at the Fort and at the Quarry are not going to like this at all, and will wonder why they have been invited to a substandard playing experience that leaves them feeling annoyed and disgruntled.
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Since it looks like the upcoming Competitive Weekend of Fun will mostly benefit leachers and mostly annoy players, I would suggest that ANet cancel it "for technical reasons" until such time as leaching can be controlled at the Fort and at the Quarry.
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moko
im gonna keep playing until ill be the only human player playing at some point! then ill have fun sitting behind the gate bonding an NPC with nobody attacking. HOORAY! maybe ill run some amber as well, zomg!
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this is gonna kill the aspenwood situation. maybe people will just realise to go to quarry? i doubt many bot users would switch :P
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this is gonna kill the aspenwood situation. maybe people will just realise to go to quarry? i doubt many bot users would switch :P
Snowman
I agree also..
But I expect ANET will do sweet FA about it.
I will try not to get annoyed.. but I will eventually.
As for Jade Quarry.. well, yea I hope people will play there also, and after the event I think they should STICK with the double faction at Jade..
It must be terribly disapointing for the guy who designed Jade quarry to know that noone EVER plays his map.
But I expect ANET will do sweet FA about it.
I will try not to get annoyed.. but I will eventually.
As for Jade Quarry.. well, yea I hope people will play there also, and after the event I think they should STICK with the double faction at Jade..
It must be terribly disapointing for the guy who designed Jade quarry to know that noone EVER plays his map.
pcredsox99
Yeah i agree every time ive been in quarry and got on a team there have never been leachers thay all stick to aspenwood
Swinging Fists
Well, if you were a leecher, would you leech at Ft. Aspenwood or Jade Quarry, where you can barely ever get in?
Curse You
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Aren't there leechers in RA ? I thought there were, and if so, I'm sure PvPers are used to it. I wouldn't say they should feel annoyed at having been invited to a substandard playing experience. We were all invited to the Nightfall PvP weekend, and I'm sure some of us tried it and quickly decided to just go back to what we were doing before, without getting annoyed. It's not that big a deal. If they don't like Ft. Aspenwood or Jade Quarry, they simply will resume their normal gameplay. Why get annoyed ?
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The fact I'm getting at is this: whether you win or lose, your team (if they fight) will still gain Faction. This means that if you just sit around in the spawn area for your team to win, you will get ALL faction rewards (including stuff from kills). This of course means that people will program a bot (or actually sit there) that makes them enter the battle whenever possible.
Sure you may think leachers in RA are bad, but usually their team will just lose and they get maybe 20 faction before being killed. That, last time I checked, is a waste of time, the reward is unpredicable, and usually bad.
All that said, this weekend is just asking for complete and total abuse. Just like the past weekends, it will have a large aspect of dumb people, ethcally challenged people, and just plain ***holes. We all (most of us at least) want to have a fair and fun time, but that will of course be thrown off by the types of people mentioned above.
A frankly don't see why they have a sudden need to have a special weekend EVERY weekend. Are they trying to find all the problems with all the parts of the game? If not, they might want to add that to their list, because these events make it much easier to notice them.
Clord
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I've never played in these missions, but how can a bot get into a human group?
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Alleji
There aren't that many "PvP-only" people, you know...
I'm in a PvP guild and out of 12 of us... *gasp* all 12 play at least some PvE. I'm sure everyone has been to aspenwood and quarry and tried them. We just decided it's not very interesting and left them alone. Double faction probably won't change that much.
I'm in a PvP guild and out of 12 of us... *gasp* all 12 play at least some PvE. I'm sure everyone has been to aspenwood and quarry and tried them. We just decided it's not very interesting and left them alone. Double faction probably won't change that much.
TheOneMephisto
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There aren't that many "PvP-only" people, you know...
I'm in a PvP guild and out of 12 of us... *gasp* all 12 play at least some PvE. I'm sure everyone has been to aspenwood and quarry and tried them. We just decided it's not very interesting and left them alone. Double faction probably won't change that much. |
In fact, most of my guild has never played FA before.
Shyft the Pyro
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Well, if you were a leecher, would you leech at Ft. Aspenwood or Jade Quarry, where you can barely ever get in?
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I very much hope Jade Quarry remains accessible to PvP characters even after this weekend. It's an incredibly fun map to play, much more on par with alliance battles than with Fort Aspenwood. Hopefully, this weekend's even is just what's needed to boost its population.
Sir Skullcrasher
I hope with this competitive weekend, i can finally reach 10k kurzick faction points.
greenchylde
this give folks who have had a terrible time of mapping jade quarry an exellent chance but JEESH how many weekends are they gonna do this? im staring to think i have no life =D
Silent Kitty
I'll be there with my monk, happily letting leechers die.
BunnyMaster
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Aren't there leechers in RA ? I thought there were, and if so, I'm sure PvPers are used to it.
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RA is only used if you don't have any friends/guildies to do decent PvP: HA, TA or GvG. RA is just to test some new builds and you don't wanna embarrass yourself in front of your friends when you find out that W/N frenzy+saccing isn't a great idea......
Agreeing with Curse
Sir Skullcrasher
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I'll be there with my monk, happily letting leechers die.
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Zinger314
I'll be MMing on the Luxon side. If you see my name, Syria Blackblood (and my patented battle cry), chances are you are going to lose. 
Anyways, with with leecher problem, I do think it's an ArenaNet ploy to draw them out...
Anyways, with with leecher problem, I do think it's an ArenaNet ploy to draw them out...
Silent Kitty
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I'll be there with my healing tank!
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Sir Skullcrasher
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I'll bring mending for you, and we'll teach those Luxons a lesson they'll never forget
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Big_Iron
While I agree there will be leachers, I do not think Anet should postpone or cancel the weekend. It's going to happen. Moaning will not change anything. If it really bothers you, don't go to either map ths weekend.
You know what I'd really like to see? Something like, "hey Anet, thanks for having all these events to keep players interested in the game" Instead, people have to moan and bitch everytime Anet tries to do something fun.
You know what I'd really like to see? Something like, "hey Anet, thanks for having all these events to keep players interested in the game" Instead, people have to moan and bitch everytime Anet tries to do something fun.
Sir Skullcrasher
hey A-Net... good job on creating these fun weekend events! keep it up!
striderkaaru
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While I agree there will be leachers, I do not think Anet should postpone or cancel the weekend. It's going to happen. Moaning will not change anything. If it really bothers you, don't go to either map ths weekend.
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they're doing it to try to draw more players to these 2 maps. but with double faction, afk leechers have double reason to be there. the leechers annoy real players, who then decide not to go to the maps anymore. so in the end, leechers profit, and real players get turned off by the maps even more, defeating the entire purpose of the event.
anet needs to address the issue before creating more problems.
Duly Thankful
Cynical people might point out that since there are only a couple of months left before Nightfall hits the streets, Anet are trying to push sales of Factions as hard as possible by offering a new (Factions only) event every weekend they can. To be fair, this is simply good business sense, but it does point out that if you want to have access to all the nice events you are going to need the latest version of the game.
Having said that, events are good news
Having said that, events are good news
ChildeOfMalkav
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The leachers in Fort Aspenwood this morning were old and familiar names to the regulars there. They have been reported over and over again, but ANet has not taken action against them, or cannot take action against them, whichever the case might be.
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If you're banning bots then why arent you banning these people? They're worse than bots, they're indirectly farming for gold AND they're runining the gaming experience directly. How is that not a banneable offense? For crying out loud do something ANET.
Markaedw
I thinl it is More of the events team is bored. They got the next event (hopefully another Mad King) all ready to go, and they got to keep busy. Me personally, I would like to see them help out the bug swatters.
Vermilion
I think the OP has a point here. I need about 100 more amber, and to get that doubled Kurz faction I have to play FA on the Kurz side, meaning a lot more losses. Which also means I probably will have to cap Life Barrier and try bonding. -.- Not that it matters anyway, since Luxons bring EoE half the time.
So definately not fun.
That was meant in sarcasm..although I do think Anet needs to do *something*, they know that offering these events will make the majority happy, and thats all that matters.
So definately not fun.
That was meant in sarcasm..although I do think Anet needs to do *something*, they know that offering these events will make the majority happy, and thats all that matters.
Skyy High
I can't see why leachers would increase during this weekend. I would imagine that bots are in those arenas for hours at a time before someone checks on them, and in that time they accumulate 10k faction. During the double weekend, they'll fill up faster, but unless they have someone babysitting them all day, it won't make a difference. And if someone's babysitting them all day...well they might as well just play the bloody game, eh?
Aerial Stormshadow
Double your faction!
Double the leechers!
I'm going no where near there this weekend.
Double the leechers!
I'm going no where near there this weekend.
EternalTempest
This event, and the quick response to EoE and alliance battles screams real world testing to help flesh out factions.. before it's abandonded for the most part and screams help to tweak nightfall with whatever new pvp or alliance/missions like FA "carryover" while nightfall is in it's design phase.
Sir Skullcrasher
I wonder if Tyria will ever get another special event?
Eviance
Maybe this is the chance Anet needs to view the problem and deal with it. I see no reason to cancel it reguardless. You are always going to have leechers and its just a matter of time before Anet comes up with a way to stop them.
The only thing we can hope to gain from this is, faction and maybe that Anet will gain some insight into this problem area.
The only thing we can hope to gain from this is, faction and maybe that Anet will gain some insight into this problem area.
Terra Xin
Hopefully their insight is good as well as prudent. Its going to suck to see leechers in Jade Quarry, though, unlike aspenwood, you can still play even with 4 ppl and win.
GloryFox
I fully agree with the OP... I will avoid Aspenwood like the Plague... Its bad enough already. Just today I tried that mission for fun..(its a fun mission when real people play it.)and 9-10 times I had 2-3 bot lechers. Kurzaks need all 8 to win most of the time, and I got sick of looseing because of BOTS. Most of us that do aspenwood know and report the lechers and nothing ever happens. I hope they add in game GM's who auto boot people for a month.
BOTS = FTL
BOTS = FTL
J3mo
Probably this will happen yes, sad but true
Paperfly
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This weekend will give the two missions a much higher profile, and correspondingly if it's ruined by leechers ANet takes a PR hit.
...So on the grounds that they want good press, they have every incentive to come up with a fix!
The conspiracy theory version of the above would be that the whole weekend's a trap - they intend to lure out the leechers by promising double faction, and then observe all games and ban the lot of them!
prodigy ming
I thought Anet offcially stated that they will do nothing about leechers?
as much as I hate leechers, I this this is more of a ploy to increase sales than to catch leechers.
as much as I hate leechers, I this this is more of a ploy to increase sales than to catch leechers.
Thallandor
Keeping it short: I will use this weekend as a chance to map the 4 zones on both Kuzick and luxons side. I wonder if they will have similar NPCs that can bring you to those areas and if so wont new players with their lowbies toons get a chance to map them and enter the missions???
Just food for though, would be interesting to see level 1s in those areas and be able to passby the locked gates and main story line lol.
Just food for though, would be interesting to see level 1s in those areas and be able to passby the locked gates and main story line lol.
Arcador
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I wonder if Tyria will ever get another special event?
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prodigy ming - always pessimistic.
hated
You're forgeting the touchers, between the hordes of touch rangers and leechers (basically the same thing) FA is going to suck HARD, and no JQ won't be any more fun because of the same damn thing.
Really I'm starting to lose a lot of faith in Anet and might start looking for other games to play. It's getting ridiculous at the amount of shit we're having to put up with.
Really I'm starting to lose a lot of faith in Anet and might start looking for other games to play. It's getting ridiculous at the amount of shit we're having to put up with.
pappayaponta
Yes, Anet can screw this up. Me think take 5 ppl of the Arenanet crew and let them play F.aspenwod and BAN ALL THE LEECHERS!