I read in chat an alliance asking for tip from players interested in getting a ferry to the elite mission in the House zu Helzer. Why should a player pay them for a ferry just because they are controling the town. Isn't this against any rules??? The controlling alliance should either not want us to play elite or allow us to play for free. We payed $50 for the game and I already feel limited to playing 100% of the product. Why should they have the right to charge players for a ferry to the elite mission.
Tell me is my complaint wrong or should Anet ban alliances from controlling when they charge players for a ferry to elite missions??
Ferry Charge???
J snukka
Aera
LoL!
Have you ever thought that the "payment" can be ingame gold as well?
No way anyone's going to pay real money :P
Have you ever thought that the "payment" can be ingame gold as well?
No way anyone's going to pay real money :P
J snukka
I'm not saying pay real money to them. I'm talking about the further unfairness involved in an in-game charge. They shouldn't be allowed to charge us to play a mission. Why should I pay in-game gold that I work hard on getting, just to play an elite mission?
Kaguya
Cavalon's Elite is free-free at the moment, and ANet is working on a second way to enter the Elites so they are little more accessible to the 'common' nonfarmers.
Currently the controlling alliance can do whatever they want with the elite, they worked to get the town, so they earned the right under the current game mechanics.
Currently the controlling alliance can do whatever they want with the elite, they worked to get the town, so they earned the right under the current game mechanics.
Hockster
I guess Grenth and Balthazar should be banned too. They charge 1K to get into their areas.
Most alliances do not charge for access. But they can't monitor every member all the time.
Most alliances do not charge for access. But they can't monitor every member all the time.
J snukka
ill just wait for more responses. Not convinced yet that this should be okay.
MrScaRy
if they are making a money from ferrying people into the elite mission, people just won't help them hold the city and let another guild take over. I'm sure some guilds like [TC] will be making the ferries to the elite mission free.
J snukka
thats what I told them in game. I said that if you can't get banned from do what they are doing, eventually an alliance will over take them in a few hours or a day.
MrScaRy
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thats what I told them in game. I said that if you can't get banned from do what they are doing, eventually an alliance will over take them in a few hours or a day.
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aznice
people can charge or do it for free but from what i see most people are giving ferrys for tips in hzh which is an amt from 1g-1000000g
Glitched
Whatever guild holds the capital is allowed to do whatever they want with the elite mission. If they hold it to themselves, give all away for free, or charge 100k + 50 ectos is completely their choice.
Sanji
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Why should I pay in-game gold that I work hard on getting, just to play an elite mission?
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Anet must have considered that some Guilds would charge for letting people through the gates, so I doubt anyone is going to get banned for doing so.
Retribution X
I think that after farming all that faction, They should have the right to charge people to acess he place. Reminds me of toll booths.
Their outpost, Their choice.
Their outpost, Their choice.
Vahn Roi
In the House Zu Heltzer "WTS Shiro's Blades - 40k or ferry"
This is why I prefer Luxon.
This is why I prefer Luxon.
Stupid Shizno
my alliance (XoO) dosnt charge and consequences will be handed out if a member does charge someone. I my self never did an elite mission when we held the house for a few days.
Tijger
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In the House Zu Heltzer "WTS Shiro's Blades - 40k or ferry"
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Orkz allow people in for free, I've not seen any paid ferries in HzH since they took control. Doesnt mean it cannot or will not happen but its definitely not a normal occurence.
Lykan
In affect, as it says when you enter the town, it is "owned" by that alliance, so they can do whatever they like. They put in the time and effort, so its up to them.
mushi
I normally tip the taxi to the deep o_O But they never ask for a certain amount of gold.
dargon
As has been stated a few times, it's not against the rules. Their faction level gives them control over the mission. If they want to charge outsiders to enter, that's their call, nothing is forcing you to play that mission at that time. You could come back when a different alliance controls the city.
michaeldt
Them charging you for access to the Elite, is like charging for a run to droks.
Yes, you could get access yourself, by farming enough faction to take control. Or you could pay them. Nothing wrong imho.
Someone has worked hard to achieve something and are asking for tips from people that they allow to share their reward for their hard work.
Yes, you could get access yourself, by farming enough faction to take control. Or you could pay them. Nothing wrong imho.
Someone has worked hard to achieve something and are asking for tips from people that they allow to share their reward for their hard work.
pegasux
There is nothing wrong with them charging for a ferry. they worked their butts off FF and should be rewarded if they so choose. If you have no problem paying to get into FoW or UW why would you have any problems paying here? It's cheaper and gives you unlimited runs vs. FoW or UW where if you get a bad pug you just lost 1k. With this you can try again for the initial fee. If you still think this is unfair then FoW and UW should be closed since there is an entrance fee. If you want it for free then wait for another alliance or to take over and hope they let anyone in at all or have your alliance spend weeks FF.
Lord Shazneri
Well Looks like you chose the wrong Faction because In Cavalon I have yet to see a charge for Entering the Deep. Most of them won't even take a tip. We Luxon take care of our own and that is why Jade is only at 1.8k instead of 4k like Kurzic because ya'll take advantage of your own!
Have you ever Paid for a Run in GWP? Tell me what the difference is though? Non in my book they are taking you some place you either haven't been or can't get too.
Have you ever Paid for a Run in GWP? Tell me what the difference is though? Non in my book they are taking you some place you either haven't been or can't get too.
clarianaeneas
This is quite interesting, last night I got my ranger into the Deep for free (tyvm, TC 
), today I took my Assassin over to House zu Heltzer to see if I could get into Urgoz's Warren, and there members of LUST were charging one Amber for a ferry. We were discussing this in all chat, then a LUST member pm'ed me and offered me a free ride. He said charging 1 Amber was Alliance policy, but that he thought it was stupid (he told me not to tell anyone who he did this).
IMO, charging is stupid, since it won't win the rest of the community over. People will be cheering for other Alliances to take over. If I remember correctly, XoO didn't charge when it had control of HzH, and they, just like TC, have the support and praise of many community members.
IMO, charging is stupid, since it won't win the rest of the community over. People will be cheering for other Alliances to take over. If I remember correctly, XoO didn't charge when it had control of HzH, and they, just like TC, have the support and praise of many community members.
Juicey Shake
k then let's go ahead and make it free entry to fow and uw, WOOO!!
MasterThrawn
I dont know - I was on last night, and there were many members of the controlling Alliance ferrying people for free - they kept taking a full party and kept coming back to get more. Maybe you just saw some selfish members?? Was pretty nice - they kept saying they would come back to get more people. Unfortunately I could not do this last night, as I had "real world" stuff to do, but hope they are still there tonight.... Oh and the fireworks were pretty cool too
Huntmaster
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Why should they have the right to charge players for a ferry to the elite mission.
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Tijger
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Well Looks like you chose the wrong Faction because In Cavalon I have yet to see a charge for Entering the Deep. Most of them won't even take a tip. We Luxon take care of our own and that is why Jade is only at 1.8k instead of 4k like Kurzic because ya'll take advantage of your own!
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As for Jade vs Amber, I took one look at Luxon warrior armor and fell over laughing at the notion people would actually pay to look that ridiculous
Jade? I dump it at the traders for fast cash like most people do, thats why its cheap.
jean1190
Since Saturday, orKs alliance was doing ferry for free in HzH...
We lost it yesterday 5am, ask LUST what they want to do with.
We lost it yesterday 5am, ask LUST what they want to do with.
disposable-hero
I know fo a fact every time [AE] alliance evolution hold HzH there will be NO ferrying of anykind. It's been decided that we work hard to get it and we'll take the rewards.
Currently each major alliance looses around 600k of faction A DAY(10% of total)! Do know how hard it is to get that much faction a day!
Currently each major alliance looses around 600k of faction A DAY(10% of total)! Do know how hard it is to get that much faction a day!
Haggard
The ork alliance don't charge either.
edit: eek, already been said
edit: eek, already been said
Alex Weekes
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Because they worked harder on getting that town. You can either take it for yourself or wait until a Guild that doesn't charge takes it over.
Anet must have considered that some Guilds would charge for letting people through the gates, so I doubt anyone is going to get banned for doing so. |
Based on the results of the data gathering, the dev team will be making changes to how Elite missions are accessed in the future. When, I can't say. But changes will be made. That said, Alliances who control HzH or Cavalon are within their rights to ask a fee for access to the missions. As one player above pointed out, that's similar to accessing FoW or UW or getting a Drok's Run etc.
Lord Shazneri
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Wrong faction..uhhh...dude, they give ferries to everyone, Luxon and Kurzick. Oh an btw, did you get any ferries off Bkbd for free? Didnt think so. HzH ferries are also free and yes, it might amaze you but they also allow Luxons in
As for Jade vs Amber, I took one look at Luxon warrior armor and fell over laughing at the notion people would actually pay to look that ridiculous Jade? I dump it at the traders for fast cash like most people do, thats why its cheap. |
The Luxon Ferries let anyone in Free all the time, Never have I seen a Kurzic offer free Ferry and Im in House zu Craphole all the time trying to get the scared and weak Kurzics to come to Jade Quarry or Aspenwood to get their butts wiped by a real Faction.
jean1190
Well... orKs Alliance is french only guilds...
So it would be hard to offer free ferry in US districs / Asia districts.
HOWEVER, we offered at least 1000000000 free ferry in inter district during all the week end...
So...
So it would be hard to offer free ferry in US districs / Asia districts.
HOWEVER, we offered at least 1000000000 free ferry in inter district during all the week end...
So...
Hunter Sharparrow
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As the current system stand it give total control to the players in that particular alliance. If they so choose they could, as long as they hold it, decide not to let anyone else in. They could charge any amount for a ferry in or give them for free. Depending on the group in control the situation will change. For any to ask just for a tip then count your blessings cause that is a really good offer compared to other paths that person(s) could have taken. So if you don't want to pay then don't. You can look for a free ride, try to farm faction and get control yourself, not do the mission or just wait to see what the future brings with the update in the making.
So to answer the question shortly. Don't.
Don Zardeone
In defense of the ferries for $$:
Every time someone donates 10k faction, he gives 25k away for his clan. Those 25k don't come back unless he does the lite mission and finds good drops.
So what this really is is a lottery ticket that costs a lot of cash but may result in nothing.
Not everyone is rich and those who donate to their alliance would like some compensation too.
I remember one time when an alliance let a lot of people in for free and a crapload of those people then started abusing.
From that point of view I'd be 100% against free ferries.
In defense of the free ferries:
If an alliance takes control of the capital and that alliance uses botfarmers or anything like that, then there will be zero way to get into those missions since the botfarmers will do whatever it takes to milk it.
Free ferries now will keep the missions accessible for a lot of people for a very very long time and this also fights the bots because with the large amount of zodiacs, the bots will make less money.
From that point of view I'd be 100% against charged ferries.
Still, if you think about it. 6mil faction for kurzick. Amber at 2.5k.. (kurzick faction IS HARDER TO GET THATS WHY AMBER ISNT THAT CHEAP, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LUXONS BEING NICE PEOPLE, afaik, luxons are *** who send afkers to our pve battles so luxons get cheap faction themselves... but whatever)
So 6 mil faction at 2.5k amber price = 15million gold.
(wtf i'm surprised by that myself)
Upkeep of 600k faction per day = 1.5 million gold.
Calling the chargers names and abusing them etc is stupid because those people put a lot of time and money and ingame money in all this.
And the luxon alliance DOES charge for it. afaik, they let people in, donate faction and then kick them out again but they still give ferries for free to everyone.
It's solidarity from both sides but still, their ferries, if you donate faction, are still about 10k worth of jade X.x
Every time someone donates 10k faction, he gives 25k away for his clan. Those 25k don't come back unless he does the lite mission and finds good drops.
So what this really is is a lottery ticket that costs a lot of cash but may result in nothing.
Not everyone is rich and those who donate to their alliance would like some compensation too.
I remember one time when an alliance let a lot of people in for free and a crapload of those people then started abusing.
From that point of view I'd be 100% against free ferries.
In defense of the free ferries:
If an alliance takes control of the capital and that alliance uses botfarmers or anything like that, then there will be zero way to get into those missions since the botfarmers will do whatever it takes to milk it.
Free ferries now will keep the missions accessible for a lot of people for a very very long time and this also fights the bots because with the large amount of zodiacs, the bots will make less money.
From that point of view I'd be 100% against charged ferries.
Still, if you think about it. 6mil faction for kurzick. Amber at 2.5k.. (kurzick faction IS HARDER TO GET THATS WHY AMBER ISNT THAT CHEAP, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LUXONS BEING NICE PEOPLE, afaik, luxons are *** who send afkers to our pve battles so luxons get cheap faction themselves... but whatever)
So 6 mil faction at 2.5k amber price = 15million gold.
(wtf i'm surprised by that myself)
Upkeep of 600k faction per day = 1.5 million gold.
Calling the chargers names and abusing them etc is stupid because those people put a lot of time and money and ingame money in all this.
And the luxon alliance DOES charge for it. afaik, they let people in, donate faction and then kick them out again but they still give ferries for free to everyone.
It's solidarity from both sides but still, their ferries, if you donate faction, are still about 10k worth of jade X.x
sdliddo
Dunno how you say they do but i just gotten ferried to Urgoz Warren without having to pay. LUST seems to be ferrying people for free. Some of them do say TIPS are wellcome.
All I can tell you is that the damn elite mission which everyone keeps complaining actually IS VERY PISSY HARD and likely you end up with some stupid leavers.
One thing. Get necrotic transversal cuz ur gonna need it. Loose your necro and kiss the elite mission goodbye.
All I can tell you is that the damn elite mission which everyone keeps complaining actually IS VERY PISSY HARD and likely you end up with some stupid leavers.
One thing. Get necrotic transversal cuz ur gonna need it. Loose your necro and kiss the elite mission goodbye.
Kakumei
A member of LUST ferried me to Urgoz last night. He offered to do it for tips, I voluntarily paid 2k. It's a service, and one I appreciate--I don't like the way it's set up right now, but I'm not going to begrudge the controlling alliance some benefit for all that grinding. Grinding faction is incredibly boring, and anyone who can do that enough to win HzH...wow.
Andy_M
It's always good to see ANet rewarding grinding and farming.
The Great Al
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I know fo a fact every time [AE] alliance evolution hold HzH there will be NO ferrying of anykind. It's been decided that we work hard to get it and we'll take the rewards.
Currently each major alliance looses around 600k of faction A DAY(10% of total)! Do know how hard it is to get that much faction a day! |
J snukka
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[B Calling the chargers names and abusing them etc is stupid because those people put a lot of time and money and ingame money in all this.[/B]
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Other than that I read alot of posts that did calm me down on this matter and I accept the whole concept of the owning alliances asking for tip. I just don't agree with it.