Ferry Charge???

Very true. Not every alliance that gains control would be upset only some of them while the rest of the GW population would be pleased.

Well, as you can see, [LUST] no longer controlls HzH.

[LUST] was limiting ferries because their members thought that it would reduce the quality of the drops. (Which still makes no sense to me...)

A whopping 3 guilds disaggreed with [LUST]'s ferrying policy and just outright left. That a lot of faction lost.

[LUST] even tried to force my guild to boot me for making that post on page 4.

Regardless, I'm staying. After we get 3 more guilds, we'll own House again, and then I can start ferrying again.

Overall, the elite mission concept needs to die. Period. The drops aren't that great (new skins, whoopie,) and the end-mission greens are nothing to brag about.

factions is a joke of a game strictly because of its PvP controlling PvE politics, and if its not fixed i hope anets buisness suffers dramatically.
But like they insinuate. they got our real money what do they care what the patrons think.

lets just make it 100 to get into elite mission. no no lets make it 500k plus ectos. I mean the team team work hard to get eltie missions right.

fow ferry is needed, we need golds sinks in gw. the othe type of ferrying is not needed

just wait till the hard core ebay farmers start taking over the towns. then sell all the stuff on ebay. then we will see how fast anet will change.

I mean the farmers do have the time to factions farm. now what if they don't sell the pve bait carrot in game, they turn around and sell it on ebay instead for real money.


yup they work so hard to farm, yup they have the right to hols elite.

My guild was apart of the "====" alliance. We are no more. I'm not an officer so I don't have much say but I do read the alliance chat. My "former" alliance are too greedy for my taste. Instead of forming an "alliance" my guild was kinda forced into FULLTIME FACTION FARMING. We were told by alliance leaders from "====" to farm farm farm. Don't do missions. Don't do anything. Keep the capital! We had to reach a quota every few days. For example: 600k by Friday or your guild risks getting kicked out. Can you say, "SWEAT SHOP"? Just so everyone is aware. By combining your alliance with "====" you're only there to suit THEIR needs. Once "====" feels you are of no value to them anymore you're whole guild is gone and replaced by another for the same purpose. To grind and farm for them like a sweatshop. I usually don't care about these things but when something like this takes all the fun out of the game that my guildies and I are playing then that draws the line for me. I've heard in alliance chat many of them wanting to charge for ferries and limiting access to Urgoz Warren for no other reasons besides greed.

I've stationed my Warrior at "The Deep" and my monk at "Urgoz Warren". I use my other 3 characters to farm outside of the elite missions. I never map either of those 2 characters out of the elite missions. If I want to exit I use the [X] at the top right hand corner to close game. When I reboot I'm back at elite mission. Therefore regardless who the bastard is that owns said house I ALWAYS have access to the elite without ever needing a ferry. Only way I'll ever leave is if someone like "====" comes and ferries me out. Which is another reason to look out for who is the leader of your 12 man party.

I'm glad our guild is now independant from "====". Based on recent happenings 3 guilds left simultaneously. We were getting a bad name. GO oRKS! If my alliance ever gets an Elite mission you can count on me for free ferries (tips accepted with a smile) regardless what pathetic stipulations my alliance has to offer.

You do realise there is such a thing as faction decay right?

Right now it is costing TC 1.6 million gold PER DAY to hold Cavalon, and they are giving it out to you *for free*

Think with your brain again before shooting your mouth off like that.

Much of the Black Blade alliance sort of fell apart. Even after we (TC alliance) lost 2 guilds we still managed to hold the town. Basicaly most of us are still earning faction. Alot of us LOVE 12v12, even moreso if there was a 12 person party window but meh. We also do the challenge missions alot, which is pretty fun also and good for faction earning. The final straw though is we are all getting our tyrians (or new canthians, i just made a rit last night) through and kicking in 10k when we do the "befriending" quest. All our guilds have between 900k-1.8mil and all are filled-up at this point. Concidering my guild TSB only had 35 memebers and joined up with TC with about 450k when they first organized, it can be done by any guild alliance out there!

That is their decision to do so. So why do you feel sympathic that they are wasting their faction on upkeeping it. They don't have to but they are. And the only reward should be the elite mission and the cheap items from merchant, not make a profit off of ferrying us. If an alliances doesn't like that as a reward then they dont need to attempt to control the damn town. So stop mentioning how much an alliance wastes on upkeeping the outpost, noone cares.

P.S that felt good to get out, ahuh. also I used the wrong quote for this, just wanted to use this bc you mentioned how much an alliance wastes on upkeeping it and I know there are some players defending the charge/tip concept just because they feel bad for them wasting faction instead of getting amber to sell.

honestly why does it matter if a guild chooses to charge/ or not for a ferry. honestly elite missions are not that amazing like everyone thinks they are. if the alliance with the most kurzick faction wins house let them do whatever they please, they earned the right to be in charge on the ferry system/elite mission.

and honestly to the person complaining about 600+ kurzick faction needed, your acting like your guild was the only who was farming faction. its not hard to do FF runs till 10k faction. most people even do up to 20k and call it a day. no hard feelings for leaving lust and i hope best of luck but complaining about a guild that just wants to control house and who works very hard for it is just childish

i mean dont you people of the guru republic have stuff better to do than complain about a guild? if you cant afford a ferry farm faction or just go to the luxon side duh!

we at lust werent the first to come up with the idea of charging in guild wars! and other guilds in our alliance were doing so as well! even the guilds that left us.

play pvp, get to rank 9, get some ecto/shards, and get some fow armor. just do something so you dont get so worked up about a simplistic thing has ferrying.

This is ridiculous. So your anti-[----] campaign has now spread to respectable fansite forums. Not to mention you have zero credibility, you are too afraid to even mention your guild. You're just another person who is devoted to speading rumors about how [----] has done this, they are mean, they are selfish, they demand this much faction in a week, they are untrustworthy, they are n00bs, etc.

From what it sounds like it was you people who disliked the tips optional policy(you wanted to charge) and revolted. I've investigated what happened last night and heard both sides of the story. This spreading of lies needs to stop along with the whisper-bombing of our members, officers, and leader. I do not look kindly upon such actions and will hold you and your accomplices accountable in the future.

U ALL NEED TO GO ASK LUST OR WHO EVER THE HELL CONTROLS THE TOWN TO NICELY LET U IN AND SAY PLEASE AND THEN THOSE GREADY FREAKS NEED TO FORGET ABOUT THE ZODIAC WEPONS GOING DOWN IN PRICES. IT IS JUST A GAME!!!!!!! factions has ripped so many guilds apart and the alliance system is messed up we all need to leave it be and ask them nicely to let us in. ok i know im getting in cuz"IM NICE TO PEOPLE AND IM FREINDS WITH THEM" now y cant u all do the same there can be over 1 thousand people in an alliance go make some new freinds or go get in then leave that caracter in there just exit the game and dont log out so whoever controls it does not matter u are still in there.... DO SOMPTHING LEAVE THESE POOR PPL ALONE


NOW SOMEOEN CLOSE THIS THREAD THERE ARE TO MANY HATERS CRY BABYS ON HERE!!!!

um i thought it was faction you needed to hold a town since when has money came into the issue. if you need both faction and money to own 1 of those towns then deat da deeee thats there stupidity. i personally would not farm faction and pay gold at the same time. i don t beleive it is gold you were talking about but my guild does not hold a town so i would not know.

Faction can also be spent on your charactter to get amber. You can sell amber for 2.5-3K each. If you are giving 10K faction to alliance then you are giving up 25K-30K in gold for yourself that you could have made off selling amber. That's what they are trying to say when converting the value of Faction to gold and the upkeep of a town.

It's Obvious the reason why they are charging. 1: All their faction farming spots are being nerfed. 2: They know Anet will be making away to enter without them.

It's actualy quite brutal that they are doing this. Paying Balthazar or Grenth is one thing. You are paying the game to enter a mission. Now you have to pay players. Who only because of their aliance own a town, not becasue they did anything. 20% of the alliance are prob all those afk's that we were so happy to see at the beginning. Paying them just makes me sick!!! That's why I just go to Cavalon. TC has been great with everyone, and have proved opening up an elite does not mean it's looses in value. Anyone that pays a player to take them to an elite mission is just plain not smart

well if they would be losing out on money the way it was explained it is still to bad for them if they want to own a town that was there choice to make it s cool that tc is being nice and the other guild but it is still a choice they have made. personnally i would have spent all my faction in the begginning on amber sold it when it was really really high then turned to taking a town. became a billionare then helped ppl out lol. but thats just me lol.

I agree with you, the controlling alliance has a choice to donate their factions to hold the town. They then also have a choice as to whether they let you in or not.
Who are you to decide what advantages the holding alliance is allowed to have or to not have, if you dont like paying for a ferry then dont.
Its funny how everyone just wants everything for nothing in this game.

though they have a choice to let us in or not, that is their decision yes i agree. I believe that if they dont ferry, fine with me, the next alliance will take over and they will allow ferrying, but if they do decide to ferry they should'nt ask for money/tip. It's stupid enough that players are restricted to playing the elite missions, when we all payed $50 for the game. But that is another issue and I learned to accept that type of system Anet implemented. I just don't think its right that they are allowed to profit from ferrying, if they decide to do so. They shouldn't ask for tip period, if players are generous enough they would offer the gold.

i've done the deep a few times and i had no problem getting a free ferry ride. i was expecting them to charge a fee but to my surprise they even said that there is no reason to charge for such a thing and that they support free unlimited access.
maybe ppl that had to pay came across occasional asses but personally i haven't met any that charged a price.

Although this topic is interesting to discuss, i think that people are still goin to end up flaming at each other or badly talk about an alliance, can a moderator either close my thread or post the reason they havent yet???

Oh please stop rubbing this point already.

SO WHAT if you paid $50 for the game. They paid $50 AND also a lot of time as well.

Yea and if you haven't paid attention to Anets advertisiments for the game they clearly advertised the game to be based on players skills in-game not the time and effort players spend doing something. Which by the way how much time are they wasting when they use Bots. Read the threads before you post something like that.

A lot, and definitely a lot more MONEY in terms of electricity too.

I may not have a PhD in math but I certainly do know 600 factions when you win is a lot more than 300 factions when you lose. Besides how can you be *so* sure they are using bots?

I find nothing wrong with ferry charge or tips. An alliance farmed factions to get a town and can do whatever they want with it.
And it is easy to understand why OP and some others complain about ferry charge : Elite Mission is like UW and FoW, they are high-end PvE areas with hard mobs and rare drop. You are willing to pay for Balthazar and Grenth ( NPCs) to go to UW and FoW, but you don't want to pay for people who hold town to ferry you, because that is human instinct. Paying to others and "help" them rich will be not pleasant as paying to NPCs.

dont pay them, arenanet are brining out new ways to get into the elite missions in a few weeks.

sorry, this just made me laugh..

sorry for offtopic

dont bitch at players who are finding sense in the way it is, either keep it to urself, or inform Anet. ty

So far I have seen many ferries for free or for tips. If controlling alliances let everyone win...why not get rid of the exclusive access system altogether?

Just for the record, the [oOo] Alliance will take control of House in 1 hour 20 minutes (We were 40k away in the previous tally! ) and will be offering free/tip ferries.

I meanwhile, will be in the Warren.

Let's see how far we can drag this line of argument shall we?

"OMFG! I PAID $50 FOR THIS GAME, THIS GAME INCLUDES THE BITS AND BYTES REPRESENTING FOW ARMOR! ANET ADVERTISED THAT THIS GAME IS BASED ON PLAYER SKILLS IN-GAME NOT THE TIME AND EFFORT PLAYERS SPENT DOING SOMETHING! GIMME MY FOW ARMOR NOW!"

Does that make sense to you?

It sure as hell doesn't to me, but I can see how in a twisted perspective it does.

Well, as a member of the TC Alliance, I will toss out there, that is within the rights of a controlling Alliance to charge people to be ferried across, accept tips, or even refuse to ferry folks at all... I just don't agree with it.

This is not our policy. I personally, will not accept tips for ferrying folks to the Deep and neither will many of our members. If someone is charging for access to the Deep, send me a message in game and I will pass it on. Additionally, I hope that the Warrens are opened to all! In the mean time, we'll continue to farm faction and hold Cavalon. If I'm in Cavalon, and have more than a quick run to the Merchant and Faction Transfer NPCs I'm more than happy to give somebody a lift.

Thanks to all of the folks who complimented us in this thread, many of our members read posts here and the other fansites and makes the tedium of faction farming a bit more rewarding.

I just want to point out Guilds/Alliances will a prodominantly large member base, don't have to work THAT hard to get control.... It's the smaller guilds that have to work their asses off to gain that much faction.

Me, let them charge all they want. As long as people will pay them, of course they're going to charge. Everyone is ready to complain, but no one thinks about the fact that if they don't pay them, then maybe they'll just try and give up charging and not let people in at all probably. Of course, showing that to Anet might make a change a bit quicker

I'm sorry, I have only read the first 2 pages of the thread at this time.

Anyone performing a service is within their rights to charge for it or ask for a tip instead. This applies to real life too. They do not have to perform the service for you. For instance, we have all gone out to eat and had a waitress forget about us. It is the same thing, they don't have to ferry anyone! So since they are doing something that they don't have to do that takes their time from something else, pay the charge! Give them a decent tip, whichever. They don't have to do it!!!

Ironically, this topic wouldn't have existed of they had done their work. I guess you could say it is the indirect cause of all these stressors.