Ferry Charge???

Every guild has its policy concerning the access to the elite zone. From what i saw in HzH:
AE (or IAsI as they changed names today) don't want anybody except them in the zone.
LUST is ferrying for amber (surely cause they want their armors and can't buy amber with faction, as they give everything to their alliance).
As for orKs, we have a policy to accept tips if they are willingly given, but not to ask for it. So if you saw someone from orKs asking for a charge, it was clearly against the alliance policy.

It totally depends on who do the ferry. One member of LUST ferried many people in HzH last night for free but he said that tips are appreciate. That means you don't have to pay to get to the elite mission. I gave him tips because he spent his time to do ferrying instead of farming or playing so it would be some kind of small compensation for his time. As long as the holding alliance opens elite missions to all players (without mandatory fees) then I am OK with that.

By the way, TC is still the best because they keep their promise for all the time. Thanks to them the Deep has become a popular and busy place which provides good time for a lot of players.

Let's just give everything to everyone for free. On second thought, these people would still find something to bitch about then anyway.

all i got to say if anet doesn't fix it soon I'll ebay and make a fortune to invest in a better game.
They need to stop cateringing to PvP ego's.
ruined the game 100% with politics.

farm some money and get in if its too much for you

Let them charge if they wish.

These elite missions were created for hardcore farmers who wanted to own something more than just FoW armor and who have the time and dedication to get themselves something nice. Either way, you can always find free ferries into The Deep.

If you want to enter the town for free, go farm the 9 million faction needed to control it.

Alright, I'm in the LUST Alliance (the group who was ferrying), and I'll offer an answer on this issue.

There was no policy regarding fees.

In American 1, ther was no one, AFAIK, charging for entry. Mainly because me and a Guildy were competing for tips.

In International 1, However, some members charged for it. However, the people in HzH were responding violently, giving insults to the Alliance.

Henceforth, there's nothing I can do about that.

When we regain the House, I'll ferry International players for free (or tips. ), just send me a whisper.

I'm in the LUSt alliance and I ferried a few ppl for free. But i dont see anyhting wrong with charging

Alright, there appears to be a heated discussion about this matter in the LUST channel.

I'll report our stance soon.

i dont think they should farry ether because it should only be acussable to the fraction who has most terrtory, almost like UW in a way as some one said 1k for UW is'nt to bad when you have so much money but i have highs and lows (in game) some times my ecto farming pays off other times its flat. in a way i did buy factions for 2 things. one farm over their. two eleit missions.

[LUST] ruled that anyone can charge what they want and that it's up to the players to find the best deals.

Henceforth I'll still be doing it for free/tips.

Meanwhile, Alex, what type of system do you have proposed? There isn't really anything you can do...

Thx Zinger, that's nice to know the alliance policy.

I can't believe this is even an issue. The town is theirs.

You wouldn't yell at me for charging you gold to use my dagger. Either pay it or don't...but you guys saying they should be banned for charging are out of your minds.

Sigh WTF is wrong with some people. LUST is taking the time to ferry people there and taking the time to farm for faction points. Honestly, i am very thankful for it and if i had money or amber i could give them i would.

Suffice to say i am poor as hell.

LUST and TC have done everyone a great service I can never be thankful enough for. I just wish some people would have the decency and intellect to acknowledge what they are doing as well.

If i can pay for it then i will. IMHO the damn elite mission is a frigging pain especially when leavers and complainers are with the team. I'd go so far as to say leroy-people are a LOT better than the two above.

I have had the luck to be with a good team when i played the elite mission and despite 3 people leaving we were able to get some good mileage.

By the time we all quit, I think we were all enjoying 60DPs for some time. Heheheheheheehe.

OK my 2 cents: The controlling allince had to work very hard to get the town - imagine how much amber/jadeite they've let slip by. TC has to farm 1 million faction per day just to break even lol. They are totally within their rights to charge for a ferry - or to not allow access at all.

That having been said, both LUST and TC have players that do it for free or say "optional tips". I always offer 1k for a ferry (and often they turn me down and do it for free), just because I can afford it and respect them for doing it - it's good for the GW community as a whole and kudos to them (and any other past/future alliance which behaves in the same way). If you run the elite missions with a halfway decent group, you will make yoru 1k back, trust me.

or you could just use the "rebirth under the bridge" trick.

the mission is only hard if your team sucks.

Good luck with that.

There are plenty of ways to get enough faction without spending a single second in Competitive Missions, so I don't know where you're going with this. Most PvPers have far better places to stroke their egos. Namely, GvG and Hall of Heroes.

Owning a town is a PvE goal and is more likely done by PvE orientated Alliances.

Nothing wrong with a little gold or item charge for access to an elite mission what ever it is you KNOW for a fact its going to be cheaper then trying to join a Faction farming alliance in the long run. both in time and resources. So I will not begrudge them anything they want within reason for access if they so chose to do something along that line. After all the Elite missions are 100% optional. So there are 3 choices...

• Earn your way there with faction farming...
  
• Get lucky and get ferry to the area either for free or a marginal and reasonable charge.
  
• and finally Anet has said that Very soon there will be yet another way to get to the elite missions... So its a wait and see what number 3 is...

The only problem I see is that some time you can't fins anyone in the holding alliance to ferry you to elite missions due to the fact that there is no member in house. I know that orKs offered free ride but couldn't find anyone ferry me to the mission in American districts. As long as alliances open the door to everyone for free or tips then I am totally fine with that. But if you keep elite missions to yourself than you kill the fun of the game.

They made that decision and now have the option of cashing in off of it. And they do deserve it. You're entitled to absolutely nothing, though, and your original post honestly makes me laugh.

It's not fair, they HAVE to carry me over for free! I wont pay them a thing! If I can't have access, no one will! BAN them!

[LUST] Has gained controll and is now ferrying.

I will ferry for tips if you message me ingame ( Syria Blackblood )

Many are also ferrying for free: be aware who is and who isn't.

See? We aren't evil.

EDIT: Alliance has orders to stop (over-ferrying.)

Just message me in-game if you need a ferry.

As was already said, orKs is an almost all french alliance, so there is at most 10 guys in the entire alliance who are on american districts. No wonder you didn't find them.
But we were doing rides in international districts, but difference in gaming time (GMT-PST) may explain why you didn't see us... We also have to sleep afterall!

EDIT:: Deleted due to unmentionable circumstances. (this is Batou changing my post, not a mod)

enjoy.

hehe Now THAT is what I like to see... That is the point of the competition for Capital control!!! lol

<edit> Sorry Not that Lust lost it, Just that they will get it back and someone unseated them forth time being. lol Its good to see the competition and drive in the game and that it can be friendly is what I meant... lol

Ok, this is a reply from one of the officers in Kaizen (a LUST Alliance member) who do not like charging people.

The official position of the Alliance is that members can choose to fery for free, for tips or for a charge. As a total vote, we turned down a proposal to enforce a fee or to restrict ferrying.

Our current position is not one that makes everyone happy, but it's good because it does not restrict anyone. The ones who want to charge are undercut by those who do not charge and they do not like that.

Humans have a nature love of "possession." Some people were ticked off to see so many people in Urgoz's Warren, I am glad however, that on our watch, the place has seen more players than at any time before.

I believe that this is a test of stewardship. Like the guy who has access to the only well in town, or the only horse in town. If he thinks on the level of self-centered gain, he might gain much financially, but he will bring the entire town back by holding back such a resource.

The more Urgoz's Warren remains this elitist place, the more Zodiac weapons will stay high, ways of conquering the place will remain secret and the overall population of the game less experienced, and more fixated on farming like drones. I'm a moderator in Guildwiki and a big time fan of sharing of information and resources.

I do not accept the logic of those who want to use owning the house to get rich (their argument is, don't let a lot of people in so Zodiac weapons are expensive and charge to make money off of them). If these players want to get rich, they are using a REALLY bad way. Do 5 spider runs a day and you'll make 100k a day. A million by the end of the week.

I do not begrudge those who want to charge a small fee or do it for tips. I actually like the idea of charging one Amber Chunk for entry because it's 1k faction from other alliances. This helps LUST maintain control over the House and sustain healthy stewardship. Still, I would not do it.

My alliance currently holds HzH, and some people charge. Leader of alliance said that we can choose to let ppl in for free, or we can charge. If you dont wanna pay for a ferry, wait for someone who wont make you pay. And no, making you pay for a ferry isnt a violation of any rules.

Well i paid 50$ for the chance to play this game and i'm a casual player.I for one will not spend all my time Farming Faction or Farming Gold just too get into any elite mission.I choose to play The Deep cause it's FREE to get into.Now i have no problem with UW or Fow charging cause ANET set that price not some ELITE Faction Farming Aliance.I cant wait until ANET gets this fixed so players like me will have the chance to go to any MISSION we desire.So keep doing what your doing cause soon the silent majority will have there turn to choose which elite missions they want to do.

OMGZ! The Avatar of Grenth scammed me 1k! Why should I pay 1k when I already paid 50$ for a game when i don't have 100% content? I have to pay 1k for 100% content?!?!


Seriously, the issue is not even about a "Ferry Charge". The OP states plainly that the person was "Ferrying for tips," meaning you could give them 60 gold..

Do you have a fit when people are running the desert for tips becuase "OMG I ALREADY PAID 50$ WHY SHOULD I PAY FAKE INGAME MONEY FOR STUF?"

None of you are entitled to enter the elite mission. The point of the elite missions and town controll is for the holding factions to accept who they want into them. Its like how FoW and UW work for favor. The controlling faction/server gets the spoils.

Anet should not "fix" this. It is the only point of controlling a town at all. Let the holding alliance do what they want with it. There is no reason for them to be getting PMs about how they are "unfair" when they aren't doing anything wrong. I could just aswell say that European guilds are unfair for holding the Hall and keeping me from soloing FoW.

Anet, please fix European guilds from taking favor from America! Right?

Very soon is in a couple of months. So halfway to chapter 3, they will have the crap fixed in this game. But they are working on chapters 3 and 4, so all is good. Flawed concepts and gross errors mean nothing to them. Neither does adding in what we want and they said they would add...

One thing I do encourage from the ferry people is to stay ferrying [tips accepted], and stay around for a few seconds after the ferry. They will make extra cash yet not pressure those who really do not have it to spare. A few times I would have tipped TC guys but they were like ghosts. The one guy that stuck around flat out refused cash.

Very noble, but alot of guys will toss a few hundred gold easily for a ferry, which for the power ferrying crew will add up fast. For the people asking for amber, personally I feel it is too costly to take those trips. But I get what they are doing. They ferry to get amber for cash or armor to make up for the losses they get from donating to even keep the area open.

This all said, not all Lust guys charge, and hopefully Ork will hold true and do free ferrying as well. I would advise accepting tips to justify there time ferrying, and encourage people doing it more, so it is win/win for all. The people who close the houses off completely are the ones who will soon see that it is just stupid to do this, as TC demolished the prices of the special skins [which I love you for] so no one gains anything from empty districts and no people to party with. Also now PuGs are completing the Deep, which yeild the new greens, and get the three lucky guys some nice cash. The kurzick elite mission is really yeilding nothing as so few actually can finish it.

I just want to say I am honored that during our short stint (2 days) we let in more people than I have ever seen in there. The place is now rocking at from 7 to midnight eastern time.

I appreciated [LUST] for letting me get to see Urgoz Warren for the first time. Those members that ferried me did so for nothing though they mentioned that tips are welcome. Les Pros (or at least a couple claiming to be ferries) are/were not so generous, effectively holding the Urgoz Elite for ransom at 10k Faction per ride. Some other guy bothered to message me that by this time his alliance would be controlling HzH, and that then the ferries would cost around 15-20k.

All I've got to say is, 'Long Live The Crusaders!!'.

Yeah, TC is still the best. What they care about is their reputation, not getting rich from ferrying people to elite missions even though they have to work hard to keep the capital. Another good thing is how easy to get ferry to the Deep. You can catch a ride in no time at all due to the availability of TC members in Avalon.

By the way HzH is changing hand so fast that it is hard to get consistent ferrying to elite missions. Why do you think TC can keep Avalon for so long? where is the Black Blade? May be they don't want to get Avalon back due to the fact that it is useless to keep Zodiac stuffs exclusive now ?

That's right, there is no reason for any alliance to keep elite missions to themselves now because the Deep is open for everyone. You can't get crazy prices for those Zodiac stuffs anymore .

Can anyone confirm this? Would be cool if they made a epic questline, and, say, a requirement of total 10.000.000 faction donated in the alliance lifetime, and then you have free access after you complete those.

_Zexion

I don't mind being charged around 1k, they are sitting there in town wasting their time to Ferry us, we can at least tip them.

However when I am mandatoried to pay 2.5k or a chunk of Amber, I get a bit P!$$Y. It's one thing to ask for tips or 1k but 2.5 is a LOT and a chunk of Amber isn't easy to come by. I will not pay over 1k but if a ferryman does it for tips he will recieve a nice one, because at least he was SOMEWHAT decent and fair about it.

And it was very easy for the person who requested an unreasonable amount to be known by the rest of the guild (they weren't controling yet), and thats cause MANY of his guildies were there too. It just bugged me, if they are going to set a price make it reasonable.
The [----] people I saw weren't so "generous" about it.

All of the [--] have either said free or for tips (cause they need the cash). Right now my ranger is sitting in The Deep, NOT moving from there like EVER cause I worry that the next holding guild won't be so kind.

I worry that this thread will get locked due to the sticky post about not bitching or bashing alliances. o_O Not sure if this falls under it but just the same I am keeping guild tags out of it -_-

Altho I am sure most of you can guess >_> However with that said, I think if ANY controling guild starts charging 10k gold or faction to get in - we have every right to bash and b!*ch!

lol this is one of the rants that i have to disagree with. now yes it is most likelly a huge guild alliance with way more faction then what you have but. you do have to pay to get into uw and fow so why not? and if you really want in that bad what is a couple hundred gold that you can farm in 3 secs? i don t control any towns nor anyone in our lil alliance but hey if i wanted to go that bad id pay a lil no big deal. just think you could get something really nice down there and become a millionaire lol. req 8 15^50 vertabreaker im so in heaven lol.

Ferrying for a charge is one thing, but some guilds do much worse. I saw some charging as much as 10 plats for a ferry to the warren, then a little later they were forming groups in the warren to warp guys out...

A few hundred gold or a plat is one thing, after all party members drop candy canes in those missions for others just to keep everyone up to par for the end boss. But 10k gold or better? C'mon!

I don't like the idea of charging for a ferry. Nor do I like the idea of locking anyone out of difficult content. I'll be advocating a "tips appreciated" policy, considering it is the middleground between greedy and free rides. I do like what TC is doing with Cavalon's elite mission

If this post somehow puts this thread in danger of closing. I'd like a mod to delete it.

Oh please tell me you were being sarcastic. Something tells me you weren't.


There is an argument that has been mentioned that whoever is in control of the mission is in ownership of it. Yes it may be theirs but it is also yours and mine and everyone elses. We all payed for this game did we not? Just like the really hard levels on a single player game, the only thing that should keep people from being able to have access should be the individual's or in this case the alliance's skill in the game.

I can understand that anet would create such a set up to reward those that contribute the most for their faction but what it has done is created a civil war within the factions. It's like (just a visual) Canada and the US at war. Instead of all the provinces working together and all the states working together (with a *reward* given to the state/province who fights the hardest) you have all the provinces fighting amoungst themselves over a certain area of Canada (*reward*) and all the states fighting over a certain area of the US (*reward*). Unless someone can come up with something else, the only way I can see for anet to change how access is given (testing skill rather than time for farming) would be a king of the hill. If you want to gain access than you will have to fight for it literally. That means PvP which it already is right now but it would be a more direct type of PvP. It would also make for a true civil war within the factions.

The one other way would be to allow access to the faction who controls the most territory. That would mean when the luxons have pushed the line to control most of the territory than they can gain access to their elite mission with the same going for the kurzicks if they control the most territory. A change like this might make the 10% of the guild wars population that acually gain control unhappy but would make the other 90% quite happy.

10% vs 90%
Hm donno which GW population anet should most please

That kind of system would also make some of the controlling alliances happy. We're doing taxi so that everybody can go there, but to put it simply, doing the taxi for 2-3hr straight isn't really fun, you know... BTW, i've taken hundreds of people in the warren, but I was so busy doing the taxi that I didn't even tried the mission yet