In Game Wedding + New Emote

Indeed, so is Final Fantasy 8, but asside from that little card side game, it was a Dungeon Crawl.

The "Role-Playing" part simply means that it involves creating and/or developing a character throughout a storyline.

The environment that the RPG is set in defines how the characters are implimented.

Example Environments:

Dungeon & Dragons
Final Fantasy (8 for example)
Guild Wars
... These are examples of Dungeon Crawl RPGs. Everything revolves around combat. You win through combat.

Werewolf: The Apocalype
Vampire: The Masquarde
Mage: The Ascension
Earth Dawn
... These are examples of Social RPGs. There are ways to advance through a storyline that doesn't involve combat or a pre-planned choice of responses. You don't necissarily "win" just by winning in combat.

WoW is a bit unique. I have yet to play it, but a significant number of my friends do play it. (Interesting statistical note, more Marines play WoW than GW). From what I've observed, it started as a Dungeon Crawl RPG, but through a lot of the features (fishing, tanning, etc.) it has blossomed into an odd-styled middle ground between what it was and a social RPG.

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Looking at this, we can make a few observations:

Guild Wars is an RPG, but by definition so is MechWarrior.
Having "RPG" added to anything does not automatically infer "social."
A quick look at the Game Suggestions area notices a "Petition to Add (Social) Role-Playing districts" thread, if this was a (social) RPG then, that would already exist.

So, yes, I agree with you, Guild Wars is an RPG, so are most video games, whether they are social or dungeon crawl.

because that would be totally out of place, after all, gw is a fantasy game, not a game that tries to mimic real life as it is when you step out of your door

so do i :P btw, ad&d, 3rd edition is crap ^^ 2nd edition ftw :P
but after all, role playing games rely to a great part on combat. there is nth better than looting a priest of cthulu, finding some magic rings and some armor bracers
or just rising in levels to achieve a high lvl spell or get 2 attacks in 3 rounds.
its just part of the charm of such games, combat is a 'must' for those games.
but in order not to make it a hack n'slash game, a real world has to be created around the combat. thats role playing.
and if we dont want guild wars to become a pure hack n'slash game, we need a world around it too, a world that consists of more than merchants to sell loot, of trainers for skills ...


the game is what we make it ... if all people in guild wars were sitting on the ground, could you call it a team game then ( implemented in the word 'guild' )?
guild wars is a pvp game on the one hand, but on the other game a hack n'slash game. its sort of all about farming ^^
and since you dont like pure hack n'slash, shouldnt you be in favor for a bit of role playing around all this ? so be in favor of weddings ?

Please don't take it out of context. Those were examples of elements not in the game, to ask how far are we willing to include "irrelevent" things into the game.

What you've listed, things such as "Gaining a higher" or "better spells" are very commong to Dungeon Crawl RPGs, not RPGs in general.

White Wolf games (Vampire, Werewolf, Mage, etc.) have NO level system. It's a social RPG. They have "status" elements of course.

Werewolves have Rank (socially based). Mages have arete/sphere levels (knowledge based). Vampires have Status/Generation (social based, mostly).

And while combat is present in varying levels (e.g. very present in Werewolf, but almost rare in a true Vampire: The Masquarade game) it is never the true focus. You could play for days without a single fight breaking out.

Exactly. That's how I defined the two "environments" (Social vs. Dungeon Crawl).

Well, Guild Wars is Hack & Slash. The storyline progress only through combat or pre-scripted choices of dialouge.

Well, it's an attempt. You can always try that.

I don't understand where you're going with this really. If everyone decided to sit down, or if every decided not to log in, or if everyone decided to hit "/dance" at once... yeah its doing SOMETHING, but it's not what the game was intended to be focusing on.

Nothing says a community can't change this though.

Agreed.

Not agreed. Nothing in the display box, the manual, or the game requires farming. You can beat the game by doing only the quests. You can of course farm later on to increase the capabilities and items of your character.

I don't like Hack & Slash in social RPGs. I love them in Dungeon Crawl RPGS.

I didn't expect this thread to gain one of those bit-by-bit criteque posts. You know those posts where you take the post of the guy you're arguing against and slide a comment in after each sentance to criteque him? Like the post above me.

Oh well...

Anyway, congrats on the happy couple. I too wouldn't mind a /kiss or /hug emote for my girlfriend and I. Perhaps when you type /kiss with someone selected, your character runs up to them and leans in with the emote saying "soandso leans in to kiss you." When the other person targets you and types /kiss, your characters kiss.

Awwww....

/signed

I don't see the real problem. o_o

The only reason you buy a game is so you can have fun with it. This is fun to them. Let them have it and add more detail to their wedding. Ultimately you can't stop them from RPing it. They aren't ruining your time and if they are, then don't come to their wedding. If people start bothering you with the kiss emote it's as simple as moving to another district or retreating to your Guild Hall. And if you're guildies are doing, tell them to stop.

Easy-peasy.

Also, I think a kiss would be preferable to some of the other things people are doing with emotes. Have you seen the female elemetalist begjob?

Well then,

We might take the whole RP thingy one step further then most players, but it doesn't really bother nobody does it?
And no, its not obsessive or sad.

We're adding a bigger value to the game for ourselfes.
We're having fun, it pretty much kills all the dull moments ingame ('no opposing party found', anyone?)
and we're entertaining some guildmates with it,
so I really don't see a problem.

If you ask me, we and many other (rp-ing) players diserve a kiss and/or hug emote.
We just want do this marriage properly, and what's a marriage without a kiss?
Ofcourse it will probably be abused.
Not many emote's are really used properly anyways.

It's all in good fun, give us some support.


I won't bore you to death by reply'ing to each post but this just had to be said
That made me laugh. hard.

I couldn't have posted it any better then that.
I fully ²nd that post.

I'm trying as hard as possible
Thanks for the support !

Any idea where I can find and sign this thing?



In the end, Gw is still an Role playing game,
so it could use some more RP elements.


Cheers and much love towards my future wife ^^ for this thread
and many thanks to all who support the idea.

I don't see why there needs to be any special concessions for "married couples". What would be different after you are 'married'.

If you are argueing from a RP perspective, why would you need to actually have a system in game for your so called marriage. Just do the motions, and so on.

/kiss comand etc is probably not there to protect the younger audience in the game, since the avatars are drawn with a more realistic apperance etc.
However a comical emote would be harmless.


Back to marriage... what would you wanna get out of it, you can free map travel, so thats out of the question, you should not have any game altering changes such as, ability to share energy etc.... so what would change?

Just go have your 'wedding' invite your friends, have a fun time RPing, just I don't see what possible changes ANet can do for you w/o unbalancing the game.

Would you rather I respond to everything the person says, or pick one thing out, and for all everyone knows, ignore the rest?

I only type things I expect to be relevant and/or responsive to the topic. I respond to everything others say, because I assume they do the same.

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Well, since I never really commented on the marriage issue (and I'm trying to stay on topic...)

What you do, and what I don't have to hear about, is completely your business. If you want to have a wedding, a funeral, or a PTA meeting, go for it!

If you want to have your character kneel, and then drop a mini pet simulating birth, do it!

I just don't want to hear about it, nor do I want to see "irrelevent" game updates before critical or ones relating to a Dungeon Crawl RPG.

Beyond that, you paid what I paid, and are entitled to do with the game what you want within legal rights.

How about a spit emote? Theres one in WoW and you don't hear one bit of complaint, of "that tauren spat on me" wah wah wah.

Some people just need to find love, virtual or real life. For some can only share feelings through phone, or in this case GW, there is a such thing as long distance relationships.

Worried for your reputation, eh?

I knew people were going to get all sarcastic and in a twist about this. God or whatever forbid Anet spent 5mins on something silly that makes a few people happy instead of on a new uber cool sword or axe!

It's a game and while people are having fun playing it (and not offending others), they're doing it right. If an emote helps them do that, how is that garbage? Then why have sync dance? Why dance in-game at all when you can do that in RL?

As for calling them pathetic etc.. lol, by that standard, anyone playing any game is pathetic. Just spending 10 hours a week getting a toon that does magic thru mobs of mutant monsters is pathetic. But hey, we like it, right? Playing solitaire must also imply that you have no life then. Or reading a book and imagining yourself in it.

But really. It's a friggin emote! lol. No-one asked for a house with a fence and birth simulations... (yuck, whoever said that btw) I too would like to see lag issues resolved, shorter load time, the end of error 7... but I wouldn't mind a few new funny emotes either.

why not?

/signed

RPers are harmless.

Arrogant you say!! Whhhell... I shalt not put up with this snobbery *packs a huff and gives a little snarl + glare combination*

You know, GW has already had a wedding, or did y'all forget^^. Anyway "You have got to invite me!!!" Ingame character Flaux Terrahaven... send me invite!!! I'll be nice i promise.... ill cry though....^^. So if you ever somehow come across them... well^^ Im sure they have all the gear you need!

http://www.guildwars.com/events/inga...ingintyria.php

You know, I'm tired of people constantly whining about something as pointless as this, can't you direct your... whatever it is... to somewhere useful. If you think this idea sucks, then obviously the best thing to do is not say anything... alas, the tragedies that a Mesmer must face...

I can't believe that people are getting angry over this...

It's been done before in countless games. WoW wasn't the first. Just about every MMORPG I've played has had this feature, or at least the /kiss or /hug emotes. This is a game... there's no need for a civil rights case.

A dungeon crawl is an RPG, chief. Look at your deffinition of RPG. You do that through the storyline of GW. And what it really comes down to is,
I have to ask, does it really matter, Does-it-Matter?

/Signed for the emotes. I don't care why they're added, but I would like to see more emotes. Or at least a /me so people can come up with their own.

*puts on his robe and wizard hat*

"Oh Dumbledore, my knee is weak... Hold me!"


/roflsigned

(<3 ille)

Just play the sims. How about that? No need for new emotes or stupid in-game weddings

/MyFemaleCharLooksNiceButIAmReallyAGuyNowLet'sKiss

or

/MyMaleCharLooksNiceButIAmReallyAGirlNowLet'sKiss


ought to blow a few minds lol

dudeimoncoke - hey, if you don't like the idea, then either /unsign and give your reasoning, or simply do not post in the thread to begin with. Flaming someone for how they choose to play their game is a bit ridiculous, even more so when coming from someone with your forum handle.

/signed, but we'll need a /slap emote too. And probably a /throwicewater bucket too.

Roleplaying rules!

..

Hi JR.

/signed

but I always want a /cauliflower emote... 'so and so's cauliflower of love explo-....' ...nevermind.

Some of you are drowning in semantics over if RPGS like GW should be solely fighting-based, or should include the social aspect... but my two main problems with this are 1. why the hell do you care when its their lives? and 2. you are forgetting these are still real people, so there is always a social aspect. Are you telling me you have no one on your friends list? That you never used emotes in town when you were bored, or anything like that? ran around in circles to make somebody laugh? We're all human, and these characters still represent us in-game.

And if there's no point in RP in a game like GW why do people pay millions for fow armor? or pay 100k+xx ecto for urgoz's longbow when it's the same as a cheap modded longbow? Because it's still a status symbol in the SOCIAL world of guild wars.

and if you're honestly trying to fight the social part of this game, I suggest you go sit in Grotto for awhile and just watch and learn.

and btw I wanna come!

Weddings would be sweet, what we need though is a bouquet and a ring glove armor.

Congrats on the pending nuptials,

Kiss emote: I think that if the female does /sigh and the male does /rock if the timing is right they kiss. But I have never tried this so I can't verify it.

Side note:

To /kiss though it would need to be complicated so that any idiot can't go around and do it, I vote for /kiss char 1, char 2 * and the other person need to type it exactly the same way. char 1 possition inicaites kiss, char 2 possition gets kissed and sync. People that really want to kiss will go through the little hassle and those that don't, wont have to. A hug can be done the same way.

Here is another good one, if some one tries to initiate a kiss, the kissed person can /slap, this causes said slapped person to loose all of their health and would require them to leave the district to recover there health. But only if a kiss or hug is attempted.

Or the kiss/hug could be handled like the trade window with the reject being automatic /slap.

Agreed, and that's why I make SEVERAL references to Dungeon Crawl RPGs, thanks for reading though.

As I've said, what they do, and what I don't have to hear about, or be affected by, I could care less. I just want to see Dungeon Crawl RPG-styled updates (or better yet, critical ones), before essentially "off-topic" updates.

There is a very large difference between what you defined and what Social RPGs are. What you are defining is best described as "having fun" or "goofying around." There is never anything wrong with that, but I just want to be clear that that is not what Social RPGs are.

Why do people pay more money for "better" looking things, regardless of what they are? Human nature.

I think I realize where your confusion is.

You are talking about Socializing, I'm talking about Social RPGs.

Socializing is what we do when we are around other people. We talk, laugh, joke, cry, goof off, argue, etc. It's a basic tenent of being human.

Socializing also subtley (or sometimes not so subtley) incorporates elements of a heirarchal nature as well. Here is where your status symbols come into play. As humans, we are so quick to define everything, including how we rate amongst are peers.

Any time there is more than one person ANYWHERE you will see elements of the above two paragraphs. It's simple human nature.

What I'm talking about when I say Social RPGs though, is not the same as Socializing.

A Social RPG (referencing: Vampire: The Masqurade, Werewolf: The Apocalypse, Mage: The Ascenscion, etc.) involves creating a character, defining it and how it exists within its enviroment. And then playing the character through said enviroment where it (the character, not you) will meet a variety of challenges most basically defined into three catagories (Physical, Mental, Social).

Guild Wars only has the Physical component. Any "dialouge" you engage in with NPCs is either scripted or presented in the form of few options of already scripted texts.

The reason that Social and Mental challenges don't apply here even though people say "Well, trading could be a social challenge and skill sets could be a mental challenge" is that its YOU being challenged, not the character.

In a social RPG, your character could be smarter than you, dumber than you, a better socializer than you, or worse. That's not represented here, you are playing yourself, with the GW character as your medium.

Unless you've done the following...

...Entered a trade and thought to yourself, "Well, I know its a horrible trade, but my Whammo isn't that charasmatic, so with his 'great' trading skills he'd probably go for something like that... Sure, I'll trade 50 ecto for 5 gold! That's enough for me to get him an apple!"

...Looked at your avalible skils and thought to yourself, "Well, my Necro really isn't that smart, so I'll give her this horrible build, when I could easily of used this much better one instead..."

... or conversly, "My Mesmer's a real Einstein, I'm going to have her have this AWESOME build that's even better than something I can come up with/find..."

That is similar to what you'll find in a Social RPG. Decisions that YOU may not make, but your character would, because you and your character are seperate entities.

In Guild Wars, unless you are engaging in Role-Play (social), you essentially are your character.

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I hope that clears up that bit of confusion.

/signed

Just to be clear here. the arguement of realism and rpg challenges is very valid, in that if GW doesn't evolve it will die. As WOW started out as a hack/slash dungeon crawl and over time has evolved socially, i think it's of vital importance that any game with longevity evolve.

This isn't anything new, from pre-historic man to current social constructs, "the world" has been an evolution of survival (hack and slash FTW) to alternative means of the wining situation (i.e. wife, family, kids, money, homes, cars, clothing...). As inventive as guildwars is, it's not outside the NEED to meet the demands of a socially constructed evolution.

Enjoy your nuptuals, I'm sure they will remain strong and healthy with or without a GW kiss emote!

This wasn't a part of the plan when I started out playing Gw.
Hacking and slashing was.
Anywho... we're still doing the hacking and slashing thing like any other PvE player.
Just with a little romance now and then.

We do not stop in the middle of a quest to have a romantic moment
Nor do we say our kind words in local ^^
Don't worry, we do not annoy other players with our business.

With a nice backyard, and a view of the ocean please, maybe a little private beach to finish it.
Just kidding ^^

Can't seem to find the problem either.
If I'd have to choose something, it would be: "looking for an excuse to flame"

Ow! We have a winner here.
What a nice way to show us your intelligence.
Seriously, are we offending you in any way?
Don't like the idea? Don't sign, there's no need to flame.

Thanks, we will and we're sure about that to.
A kiss emote would be nice tough


On another note,
The wedding and party will be in our given language. (wich is dutch)
And it will be witnessed by guild/alliance mates and other ingame friends.
Small and cosy is the way to go.
Sorry

Oh and anyone who might want to have a word with us (good ideas are more than welcome)
Just whisp "Jondalar Crumbl".

If you haven't got anything positive to say, don't bother me with it.
My ignore list could get full pretty fast.


Again, thanks to all who wish to support us.

that is such a good idea the need the following emotes
/kiss
/hug
/makeout
/partner dance
and of course hold hand with (char name)
lol that would be so awsome o and can i plz be invited to the wedding

IMO ingame wedding is just sick, whay would you do such thing?
you want more from this game, so just ask for an option that is of any use and not something like this, what's the use of it??
I'm not saying what ppl should do or not or how to play the game but this is guild "WARS", you know? fighting /killing/spit on corpse and move to the next walking dead man!!!

IMO Anet must come with lots of update and fixes before even thinking about something like this, and I hope they never think about an ingame wedding, it's just a waste of time.

First off, it's not sick in any way.
Second, to answer the "why?" question:
-It's fun
-I like her, she likes me, it's a nice way of expressing our feelings.

Don't take it way to seriously, because we don't.

Having an arguement with yourself there?
We do fight and kill and we do all the stuff the game was designed for.
But does that mean we can't have a little extra?
Does that mean we can't rp a wedding?
Are we bothering you with it? Are we offending you?
I think not.

The game has all the necesairy facilities to make it happen.
All we are asking for is a kiss and/or hug emote.
If they won't implement it, its ok.
We'll do fine without.
If they do, that would be great.
Then we would be able to do our thing the way we want it.
It's not all selfish to, I think many player would like to have a kiss emote.
And even players who don't would end up having fun with it imo.

And it's not that we are asking for wedding ring items, a house, a cruise for our honeymoon, ...
I don't think that we are asking for much here.

Point of view my friend... point of view.

Even so, I think even you can agree with the fact that GuildWars wouldn't be worse with some more RP elements.
I could be wrong, maybe you're one of those "I-need-to-complete-this-and-carry-on-to-the-next-mission-asap" guys.
Wich is fine btw, you have your way, other players have their way of playing GW.
But don't call players who don't play Gw your way 'sick'.
That's just narrowminded.
Rly.

To walk the middle ground here...

Alright, what needs to be observed is perspectives.

There are a LOT of people out there who hear "role-play" and they think BDSM or other ways related to sex. This is primarily the reason I don't tell every person I meet on the street that I'm an RPer, because I get more "Is he saying he does stuff with leather masks and his girlfriend..." type comments.

Those of us who role-play (pen&paper, video games, etc) know what WE mean when we say role-play. And even when people agree on what RP is, there's still condemnation on it (devil worship, anyone?)

Similarly the same sentiment can be seen to video games.

Alright, we all know how there is a large public "uh...?" reaction to online dating, regardless of how we (as readers of this post) might feel about it. Now in the last five years or so there its moved more mainstream (judging by the commercials I see at least). Still, it has its negative connotation.

You're "weird," "sick" or simply "incapable of finding a real girlfriend/boyfriend." Those are real views, and many of them are strongly backed.

It's easy to denounce a culture before you've explored it. Also, a lot of the culture represents "change" or at least a division from what's "normal." Both things that human beings as a whole react negatively towards.

I try and be very accepting of people and their views, but I'll freely admit, when I heard "A wedding on GW" I went "uh..?"

Part of that was because I thought it was a "real" wedding, and the rest is just ingrained cultural views.

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Now you might look at this wedding and go "OMG its sick!"

You might look at it and go, "it's not sick, you're an idiot."

Both views are realistic, but they're going to get us no where. We're all entilted to our opinion, but in a forum, you need to support it.

Want to call it sick? Let's see something to back that up, statistics, data, polls... Don't just start throwing insults.

The same goes for the otherside. Want to defend your culture/viewpoint? Let's see something material, otherwise, you're no better than the ones calling you sick.

I'm not sure I'd support a hug or kiss emote, simply because of the problems that might arise from it. If it were like any other emote, people would most likely run around spamming it (as in, male characters spamming it on any and all female characters in a town), which would certainly be annoying (especially if your one of those female characters!). If it were like the trade system, the same problem might happen. I wouldn't want to get all kinds of kiss or hug requests from complete strangers (not like I really need to worry about that ).

Having said that, congrats on the wedding! I always like seeing these kinds of things happening. It adds a bit of variety to your day.

I never could understand why people are so adamantly opposed to things like this. I mean, chances are, if you hadn't stumbled across this thread, you would have never known about the event. Complain all you want, but the fact of the matter is, this isn't going to affect you in the slightest unless you actually attend.

I'm an idiot, i should have said long ago that people never read...

http://www.guildwars.com/events/inga...ingintyria.php
http://www.guildwars.com/events/inga...ingintyria.php
http://www.guildwars.com/events/inga...ingintyria.php

READ!!

Mesmers... always underapreciated we are...

/signed

Ok first of all: Rock on RPers! RPers get made fun of all the time and it's annoying. I love RPing, although I would never really go as far as a wedding myself. (Although my mesmer has had to fight the ladies off with his cane several times ) Sounds good to me all the way. Also I don't think people should make fun of you, thats lame! Come on guys, it's just a forum and I think if someone has something negitive to say it should be said in a way not to be offensive. (To all the immature people) If you ever have to say something negitive on a forum, try being polite and respective. You'll find most of the time people listen to you MORE because you present something negitive but in a nice way. Although if your immature you most likely stopped reading at "Of first of all"

P.S. I'd like to come with my mesmer, but I'm sure you have plently of people begging to come as is, so if I don't get invited It's alright. Still my ingame name should be right over there under my avatar if you needed more guests

lolz, sounds very *interesting*, they should just add a chapel in cities for this kinda stuff

No worries, I wasn't suggesting that you were, merely speaking in general and so had to include the lame "disclaimer".


There are some darn funny posts here, like the one on presenting material evidence on why an in-game wedding is or is not sick - LOL! What, like, charts? Should we do research on whether any other RP action is sick as well? And RP -> BDSM? Haahahaha! Lovely! Thank you for that little gem. I never get that reaction from people here... pitty

I also see a few immature posts and 'arguments' close to "Eating mayo with pancakes is just sick, why would you do such a thing? I'm not saying what ppl should eat or not, but mayo was not meant to go with pancakes, you know? - I'm sorry if I offend you but this is just sick and wrong. Keep your nasty eating habits away from my table and eat food like normal people."
Yeah, such good argumentation really makes me want to reconsider my position.

And how dare you speak like you know these people? They might be happily married with 2.4 adorable children, good jobs, and bundles of friends - the fact that they want to marry their vid game chars says absolutely nothing about them (except that they know what RPing is all about... BDSM ).
It's the characters getting married in-game, not the players (even if they might be a couple in RL). Perhaps your own mes/ele/etc just hasn't met the right war/ran/etc yet

Here here!

And it really doesn't matter if the game was meant to be RP or not. IMO whoever plays it is a part of it and should be heard.
Also, I don't see how adding additional (RP) content would take anything away from the game, if done properly (meaning technical issues). PvPers would still PvP and PvEers PvE, just as before.

I don't think Anet will change anything tho. Upkeeping a game is a lot of work and I doubt emotes/chapels are high on their list, lol.

/signed.. when I first I first bought GW, and read about the in game wedding, I thought it was really cool. So why not let other people do it too.

Well said, Ellador!

/clap

/signed for weddings and rp enhancements.
/unsure about emotes. Hug would be great, I think kiss might be too easily abused...

I got a question.. your both marrying in Real life and in game?

Does-it-Matter: Point.
That is the best explanation of the differences between decision making in scripted games, and real role-play I've ever heard. But what about the people that come up with a background story for thier character, and try to make decisions, or act (mostly in speach & emotes, but also in some actions) according to what they feel that character would do? For example, a RP party goes on a mission, and try to work together while remaining in-character? Is that merely socializing? They are taking on a role, and playing it. (Although they may not play it to the fullest extent, ie: your ecto-for an apple warrior.) Guild Wars doesn't provide the personality stats, allowing you to come up with such things on your own. I'm not saying everyone does this, but it can be done. I'm not arguing the fact that GW isn't designed for such mental or social challenges to the character (they are pre-scripted, like you said), but the potential is there.

I'd still like to see the emotes added. :P I don't think it would be too big a thing to add in as an added bonus to a critical update. As you said, is just that: having fun.

If Anet adds a /kiss, /hug, or what have you emote, they will lose players -- including me. I've already had friends quit the game because of the rude and childish behavior that is invariably the norm in towns, and I can't blame them. They and I put up with enough boorish behavior in real life, why tolerate some (emotionally, if not chronologically) twelve year old boy trying to simulate a sex act with your avatar every time you sit down? Add more personal emotes than already exist and... Well I shudder to think of the 'creative' uses they will be put to.

If someone wants to get "married" in-game, fine, whatever, enjoy, but please do so without trying to further ruin the game for the rest of us.

Listen, I can understand your distaste for some of the things idiots do in-game, I'll admit it can be annoying at times, but if that is the sole reason your friends quit the game, well thats pretty sad. Its part of any game(well most), and you're just going to have to live with it. I also highly doubt Anet will lose any players over this, the people will just come on this site and complain about it until Anet fixes it. And its been stated already, that Anet would have to find a new way to implement this, such as having the command come from both parties before it would work.