Ok, so why is it that noone likes assassins apart from them dying abit too quickly, I mean, for new players to the game who wish to try an assassin, and carry them through the game, I feel this will kill their fun in the game and will lose trust in the GW community... I know many people who have deleted assassins due to being groupless, kicked, etc. GIVE THEM A CHANCE! I know you would feel bummed too if you were new and found noone accepted you in groups and called you a noob. Anyway this is my opinion, I allow assassins in my group, and have encountered many good assassins, anyway, that's my opinion, what's yours ?
~Zeth
Hate Towards Assassins...
Zethron Ahriman
Zinger314
It's better that new players learn hardships early. 
They have 7 other professions to play if they don't like the Assassin.
They have 7 other professions to play if they don't like the Assassin.
CorstedPirate
Well, Assassins are often the first to die, this makes it look like it is a weak class. I don't actually play one myself, I am usually the monk. One thing that I have noticed is that most assassins just don't retreat when they should. It is all about that one more combo, or getting in the first instead of letting the tank take some of the focus. I don't think it is a weak class, and I don't mind having one along for a mission. If they are in range I will heal them. I will not run into the monsters to do so however, since monks are juicier tidbits than assassins.
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
hehheh I had a hard time till I capped AoD then I amazed every group with my uber skillz at not getting hit, and sins are good if they actually listen to what they are supposed to do, kill and run, if it is only a hit and run than your combo isnt good enough, also kill and runs should be limited to you being in their for about ten secs.
Lets Get to Healing
lack of self heals, armor is low and just like you said, n00bs play them. Hard not to hate em.
prodigy ming
sins will be better if one of the first skills Anet give them is not death charge...
i know sins are not suppose to tank. but seems like everything in the game tells them to.
their heal: shadow refuge only give u bonus if you are still attacking.
that armor gives plus armor while attacking
lots of evasion skills, lack of good shadow stepping ones.
AoD is so late in the game that most people who got that far don't really need it to learn their role.
Not to mention b/c of the above the community hates them and wouldn't team with them, so they are force to tank with henchies the whole game.
i know sins are not suppose to tank. but seems like everything in the game tells them to.
their heal: shadow refuge only give u bonus if you are still attacking.
that armor gives plus armor while attacking
lots of evasion skills, lack of good shadow stepping ones.
AoD is so late in the game that most people who got that far don't really need it to learn their role.
Not to mention b/c of the above the community hates them and wouldn't team with them, so they are force to tank with henchies the whole game.
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
I know anet kinda screwed up when they made this class lol. Over at the Assassin board we are trying to rectify the situation though, I am also THE assassins advocate, if ya wanna talk about how to play a Sin I am here, also Bloodied Blade is a good guy to look to, well basically all the guys over at the sin boards, 'cept tadaceace are collectively nuts but when put together they bring all the aspects of the sin together, one of us think of the hit and run capabilities, one of hus thinks odf DPS capabilities, snaring, etc. and I kinda look at everything and pass my judgement lotsa fun and friendliness over there and in game, we sins gotta stick together.
Don Zardeone
The PvErs don't hate them...
They just don't see a point in having them around O.o
They make good minionfactories...
They just don't see a point in having them around O.o
They make good minionfactories...
kvndoom
I kinda hope Anet doesn't make anymore melee classes. People aren't going to easily unlearn the Warrior "charge in, bash until dead" mentality that was introduced in Chapter 1 and still exists. Unfortunately, mastering an Assassin requires more finesse than that, because of lower armor.
Don't see too many Rits around, which is unfortunate because they are an awesome support class. But given the choice between the 2 new professions, a lot of people will obviously choose the "Killer Ninja" over the "girl who totes jugs around."
Don't see too many Rits around, which is unfortunate because they are an awesome support class. But given the choice between the 2 new professions, a lot of people will obviously choose the "Killer Ninja" over the "girl who totes jugs around."
Blackhawk
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Stupid Shizno
I have all 6 core profs, and 1 sin, and i get groups just as easily as i do on my ele (though no matter what monks get it the easiest). I think if you display your self correctly youll get in any group. as business says "perception is everything" so present your self. dont say "SIN LFG!" or even "EXP SIN LFG" if you see a group you want to join, whispering the leader and telling him your skillbar is better then any blip.
Raxxman
assassin in a way is a support class, not able to tank like a warrior, is best used (IMHO) to run in and attempt to take down a critical class (like a healer) after the warrior has started the s storm...
Otherwise they are kinda outclassed by warriors.
Otherwise they are kinda outclassed by warriors.
quanzong
Assassins do really suck, they just a mimic of the Warrior, but worse. Warriors are not really welcomed to groups, but assassins, they arent welcomed at all to groups. Assassin heal self sucks, 4 seconds you get +9 hp regen, and 67 health after it sucks, I would rather get straight to the point with +127 health. There armor sucks. They look horrible and wimpy, looks like necromancer could own em. Also there dmg sucks! 2 hands for 7 - 17 dmg? LOL. HAMMER 19 (more than assassin max dmg) - 35 (X2 than assassin max dmg). And for speed? It sucks! Warriors sword is ABOUT the same, and deals 15 - 22 dmg, which is WAY better than assassin dmg. And there shadow walks? Who would spawn in front of enemy monk, then the enemy warriors OWN YOU, before your healer can get to you in time for a heal. Assassins, really suck.4 seconds for 50% running that costs 5 mana is a joke.
Ritualist is a joke too, but not even close to assassin. They just like necromancer but worse. Spirts are like wells, and minions, except can be casted anywhere. And there attack spells are WAY worse than necromancer. They have a spirt where you can be a 55 ritualist, but nobody is going to do it because there spirts suck!
Ritualist is a joke too, but not even close to assassin. They just like necromancer but worse. Spirts are like wells, and minions, except can be casted anywhere. And there attack spells are WAY worse than necromancer. They have a spirt where you can be a 55 ritualist, but nobody is going to do it because there spirts suck!
Silent Kitty
Yes, sin is very weak in the long run and their master Panaku must be some kind of masochist. He is always the first to die and impossible to heal. He is a wammo without mending, the armour of a monk and the strategy of Leeroy Jenkins.
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I chose my ritualist for a different type of jugs
lama_lord36
I think just most ppl are not used to play an assassin. They use them as a tank and not as an assassin. For pvp i find them pretty good for their quick dmg out put (but i stil don't use them for pvp )
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ID_Roto
If played right they can do some good damage fast. Let the tanks do their job then charge in there to certain monsters to get rid of. Then get of there before your one of the main targets. I just like playing an assassin, go around teleporting. Survivng is hard but fun to play. Never had a warrior that can do some much damage in less than 5 seconds. Warriors need to build up their adren and then start wailing. Even with a hammer or a sword its the skill setup, and the steady eye on that health bar that really determines from a bad assassin from a good assassin.
Yamin
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Assassins do really suck, they just a mimic of the Warrior, but worse. Warriors are not really welcomed to groups, but assassins, they arent welcomed at all to groups. Assassin heal self sucks, 4 seconds you get +9 hp regen, and 67 health after it sucks, I would rather get straight to the point with +127 health. There armor sucks. They look horrible and wimpy, looks like necromancer could own em. Also there dmg sucks! 2 hands for 7 - 17 dmg? LOL. HAMMER 19 (more than assassin max dmg) - 35 (X2 than assassin max dmg). And for speed? It sucks! Warriors sword is ABOUT the same, and deals 15 - 22 dmg, which is WAY better than assassin dmg. And there shadow walks? Who would spawn in front of enemy monk, then the enemy warriors OWN YOU, before your healer can get to you in time for a heal. Assassins, really suck.4 seconds for 50% running that costs 5 mana is a joke.
Ritualist is a joke too, but not even close to assassin. They just like necromancer but worse. Spirts are like wells, and minions, except can be casted anywhere. And there attack spells are WAY worse than necromancer. They have a spirt where you can be a 55 ritualist, but nobody is going to do it because there spirts suck! |
Wow i think i disagree with every single statement in this post!
If used correctly the assasin can deal a great amount of damage. I always try to take one assaisin with me in every group, if they know what they are doing they are very useful. Their armour is fine, it's low yes, but you have all the skills in front of you to survive quite easily.
Ritualists are probably the most versatile of all professions. ( but that's off topic)
floppinghog
rits are by far the most useful class there is, they can assist monks, and dmg dealers all the same. if you dont agree - you havnt read all their skills, trust me.
edit: hah sry, off topic ~~
anyway yes assassins are hard to play, they could use more idiot-proof healing but all and all, they can dish out their dmg quick and retreat pretty good. something a warrior cant do. thats where they shine. their utilities are great to cause unexpected problems - stuff that cripple and slow down targets is a warrior's friend. hes the sidekick of a warrior - and he can HE CAN hold his own if built right for the situation. =)
edit: hah sry, off topic ~~
anyway yes assassins are hard to play, they could use more idiot-proof healing but all and all, they can dish out their dmg quick and retreat pretty good. something a warrior cant do. thats where they shine. their utilities are great to cause unexpected problems - stuff that cripple and slow down targets is a warrior's friend. hes the sidekick of a warrior - and he can HE CAN hold his own if built right for the situation. =)
Big_Iron
The problem is that many, many people who have Assassins don’t know how to play them. They think they’re tanks. Now there are a lot of people out there that don know how to play and are damned good at it. However, there have been so many bad Assassins out there, there’s a stigma attached to them. So, not many people want to team up with Assassins…especially Monks. Only time will tell if Assassins will ever get respect. I’m betting someone will come up with a FOTM and it’ll become a craze for a while. But, I haven’t seen one yet.
Wildi
petition: "make absorption runes work with assassins" anyone ? ;p
eternal pho
Well heres the thing, assassins aren't really useful in pve, but actually are qite decent in pvp.
Silent Kitty
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eternal pho
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Assassins do really suck, they just a mimic of the Warrior, but worse. Warriors are not really welcomed to groups, but assassins, they arent welcomed at all to groups. Assassin heal self sucks, 4 seconds you get +9 hp regen, and 67 health after it sucks, I would rather get straight to the point with +127 health. There armor sucks. They look horrible and wimpy, looks like necromancer could own em. Also there dmg sucks! 2 hands for 7 - 17 dmg? LOL. HAMMER 19 (more than assassin max dmg) - 35 (X2 than assassin max dmg). And for speed? It sucks! Warriors sword is ABOUT the same, and deals 15 - 22 dmg, which is WAY better than assassin dmg. And there shadow walks? Who would spawn in front of enemy monk, then the enemy warriors OWN YOU, before your healer can get to you in time for a heal. Assassins, really suck.4 seconds for 50% running that costs 5 mana is a joke.
Ritualist is a joke too, but not even close to assassin. They just like necromancer but worse. Spirts are like wells, and minions, except can be casted anywhere. And there attack spells are WAY worse than necromancer. They have a spirt where you can be a 55 ritualist, but nobody is going to do it because there spirts suck! |
Perhaps you're not very experienced with the class? =P Btw, unless you're talking about pvp, then Ritualists and sins are very useful in pvp if you know how to use them right.
Tigers Anger
Assasins are an amazing class, especially with Dual Smite. Inspired by a HoH match my friend had against Brehon and sama we tried out Assasins in Smite. My guild and I have used Asssasins extensively in Alliance and in Heroes Ascent, we win almost every battle and when we tested the build last night in Heroes Ascent we had a great run, beating numerous guilds like Ghostly Zeroes and Storm Bearers. 2 daggers - 7-17 = 14-34, not as high as hammers but good attack speed and you don't get dual strikes all the time naturally but still. What I love about them is you don't need adrenaline or anything, just run in there and use your combo and poof they're dead (provided you run a build like we do). Their job is to assasinate, they are great at doing so too, I'd run an Assasin over a thumper or warrior any day in a Smite build because with the damage boosting it makes sure that your 1 combo will kill.
You can't compare the damage the daggers provide to a sword or any other warrior weapon because Assasin combos don't need any adrenaline to use the powerful attacks and the actual dagger skills have high +xx values. Find me a skill like Unsuspecting Strike which you can run in there and just use it and they lose a heck load of health (can't compare it with Eviscerate cos you need adrenaline for that) and Twisting Fangs is an incredibly strong skill too.
Assasins have terrible self-heals yes, but they're meant to kill people with good efficiency. They're not the jack of all trades Warrior, strong armor, good self-heals, good damage, Assasins are all about doing damage and cool teleporting. They have ok evasive/defensive skills but you can't really compare them to warrior stances 1337 bonettis defense.
I can really see them becoming a popular profession in HA, good for assasinating Ghostly Hero's and monks. With just an IAS skill they pump out good damage aswell. I'm not saying we should all get rid of our Warriors and put in Assasins, but they are a good class and should not be underestimated.
You can't compare the damage the daggers provide to a sword or any other warrior weapon because Assasin combos don't need any adrenaline to use the powerful attacks and the actual dagger skills have high +xx values. Find me a skill like Unsuspecting Strike which you can run in there and just use it and they lose a heck load of health (can't compare it with Eviscerate cos you need adrenaline for that) and Twisting Fangs is an incredibly strong skill too.
Assasins have terrible self-heals yes, but they're meant to kill people with good efficiency. They're not the jack of all trades Warrior, strong armor, good self-heals, good damage, Assasins are all about doing damage and cool teleporting. They have ok evasive/defensive skills but you can't really compare them to warrior stances 1337 bonettis defense.
I can really see them becoming a popular profession in HA, good for assasinating Ghostly Hero's and monks. With just an IAS skill they pump out good damage aswell. I'm not saying we should all get rid of our Warriors and put in Assasins, but they are a good class and should not be underestimated.
Amity and Truth
Assassins sure are a strong class if they're played right. But nope, no way. I won't take them into any of my teams if i'm leader unless they're guild/alliance and really ultimately have to take that certain character. Just no.
The reason is quite simply that i don't see a point in taking them into the team (and i'm normally the one to call for a mesmer). But, honestly... what can they do?
Mess up the backline?
A single good Interrupt Ranger just causes as much havoc, but is ranged and gets less hits.
Annoy the casters?
A mesmer can just do that as good as the assassin - and then some.
From my point of view, 'sins contribute nothing to a party that one of the other classes could not provide much much more efficiently. Now add into the mix that only a very good assassin can really do his job whereas even a bad mesmer can still own the casters... well just makes the decision even more easier.
As for the poor Assassin Players. I'm sorry, but i'm not some kind of welfare institution. When i was playing my mesmer back in the days, no one really cared for my class either *shrugs*. If you want to play the Underdog Classes just expect to be treated as the Underdog Class.
The reason is quite simply that i don't see a point in taking them into the team (and i'm normally the one to call for a mesmer). But, honestly... what can they do?
Mess up the backline?
A single good Interrupt Ranger just causes as much havoc, but is ranged and gets less hits.
Annoy the casters?
A mesmer can just do that as good as the assassin - and then some.
From my point of view, 'sins contribute nothing to a party that one of the other classes could not provide much much more efficiently. Now add into the mix that only a very good assassin can really do his job whereas even a bad mesmer can still own the casters... well just makes the decision even more easier.
As for the poor Assassin Players. I'm sorry, but i'm not some kind of welfare institution. When i was playing my mesmer back in the days, no one really cared for my class either *shrugs*. If you want to play the Underdog Classes just expect to be treated as the Underdog Class.
bobrath
I guess I see a *good* sin as one that waits until a soft target presents itself and then goes in to remove that threat completly. No disrupt or delay it - kill it. Mesmers and Rangers are the masters of disruption, but sins are far better at taking an enemy out of the game. Death is a far more effective shutdown then anything an interupting Ranger or Mesmer can do.
That being said... how many *good* assasins have you seen? The number is certainly tiny. The vast majority are in your group to suck mana off the monk and then supply a ready made corpse for the necros.
That being said... how many *good* assasins have you seen? The number is certainly tiny. The vast majority are in your group to suck mana off the monk and then supply a ready made corpse for the necros.
proffbeer
I'm getting realy sick of these posts, realy sick. In prophcies it was literaly months before people understood what a mesmer was for. I was one of them, so i should know. It was twice as long till necros were understood. I didn't really start seeing disrupting rangers for a good long while either. Now, however, these classes are staples of most groups, if not demended in every instance. The only reason rits are not getting the hate that assassins do is simply because "ooohhh, they can heal and attack, oohhh" Something tells me that in a few months time, most of these people screaming, "i hate sins" will probaly be eating their words. It all just the herd mentality, simply put, if something doesn't conform to peoples ideas of what something be like then its is hated. IMHO, mods should shut these threads down immeditaly. There's never anything useful in em, just bashing of a class. Mostly from people that have never even read the skills at the assassins disposal.
dargon
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I'm getting realy sick of these posts, realy sick. In prophcies it was literaly months before people understood what a mesmer was for. I was one of them, so i should know. It was twice as long till necros were understood. I didn't really start seeing disrupting rangers for a good long while either. Now, however, these classes are staples of most groups, if not demended in every instance. The only reason rits are not getting the hate that assassins do is simply because "ooohhh, they can heal and attack, oohhh" Something tells me that in a few months time, most of these people screaming, "i hate sins" will probaly be eating their words. It all just the herd mentality, simply put, if something doesn't conform to peoples ideas of what something be like then its is hated. IMHO, mods should shut these threads down immeditaly. There's never anything useful in em, just bashing of a class. Mostly from people that have never even read the skills at the assassins disposal.
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Kijik Oni Hanryuu
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I'm getting realy sick of these posts, realy sick. In prophcies it was literaly months before people understood what a mesmer was for. I was one of them, so i should know. It was twice as long till necros were understood. I didn't really start seeing disrupting rangers for a good long while either. Now, however, these classes are staples of most groups, if not demended in every instance. The only reason rits are not getting the hate that assassins do is simply because "ooohhh, they can heal and attack, oohhh" Something tells me that in a few months time, most of these people screaming, "i hate sins" will probaly be eating their words. It all just the herd mentality, simply put, if something doesn't conform to peoples ideas of what something be like then its is hated. IMHO, mods should shut these threads down immeditaly. There's never anything useful in em, just bashing of a class. Mostly from people that have never even read the skills at the assassins disposal.
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Inde
Calm down everyone... otherwise the thread will be closed.
General Surena
I henched most missions with my Assassin, also henched "Unwaking Waters"/"Raisu" etc., except Hatchery.
Who needs healing-breeze monks, 0-damage warriors and flare-spamming Eles? Seriously, the bad players are just everywhere. People overestimate PVE, as if it would be sooo hard and fatal in the choices you make, while it's actually not. Everyone deserves a chance.
Who needs healing-breeze monks, 0-damage warriors and flare-spamming Eles? Seriously, the bad players are just everywhere. People overestimate PVE, as if it would be sooo hard and fatal in the choices you make, while it's actually not. Everyone deserves a chance.
LifeInfusion
If looks could kill... Assassins would win. Assassins have the best looking armor for both Male and Female, IMO. However, we don't play "dressup your character" we play Guild Wars.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...1&postcount=53
In short, anything assassins can do is not the highest effectiveness and have easy counters.
Not to put down assassins, but they really do not have the highest effectiveness.
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I agree with you there. WAY too many people don't bring any form of teleporting and just charge in. Not only that, but the fact that energy denial severely cripples them due to their MINISCULE energy pool doesn't help either.
Assassins are like watered down warriors IMO. They have: A. less armor B. more energy dependence (that doesn't help since you have a small pool) C. less protection from Spiteful Spirit, Empathy, Clumsiness, Mind Wrack, Spirit Shackles and all forms of hate because you have less time to react to skills that activate on hit C. more dependence on enchantments (shadows refuge shattered continuously = dead assassin) D. one mandatory skill to not die every 10 seconds: return or aura of displacement E. more vulnerability to skill disabling because of combos F. more newer users playing them since it is a newly released profession G. crippled literally when crippled |
In short, anything assassins can do is not the highest effectiveness and have easy counters.
Not to put down assassins, but they really do not have the highest effectiveness.
Skuld
Seriously what is this going to accomplish? It's the same argument tossed around again and again and again..
Loki Seiguro
ppl say that most sin players use them as tanks so they rusgh in and get killed which makes ppl think sins are weak and it causes problems for us more experienced sin players
sph0nz
I lol'ed.
The assassin's energy pool is fine. Use Shrouded armor and Zealous Daggers. (13 Critical Strikes helps too) Still having energy problems? Not my problem. You're doing it wrong.
Assassins wouldn't die in 10 seconds if they weren't in battle for so long. It doesn't take 10 seconds to pull off one combo and then get out. Unless you're fighting Mursaat and you're not infused, or if you're doing the Hell's Precicpice mission then there's no reason that you should be dying so much.
The assassin's energy pool is fine. Use Shrouded armor and Zealous Daggers. (13 Critical Strikes helps too) Still having energy problems? Not my problem. You're doing it wrong.
Assassins wouldn't die in 10 seconds if they weren't in battle for so long. It doesn't take 10 seconds to pull off one combo and then get out. Unless you're fighting Mursaat and you're not infused, or if you're doing the Hell's Precicpice mission then there's no reason that you should be dying so much.
Splatter Mcnasty
I've been playing Guildwars since the day Prophecies was released last year. I play guildwars because it lets me unwind after work each night. I mostly solo-farm all over the place (Factions and Prophecies), but I dont use any 55 builds. I create my characters with tanking and solo-farming in mind. "Tanking" is my play-style, but I also switch up my character builds to fill specific roles when I am in groups with other people.
I play my assassin as a tank because I choose to, not because I'm an un-educated noob. I can solo-farm many types of mobs, in many different areas.
I also perform very well in groups. Just a couple days ago I took my assassin through the Abaddons Mouth mission with a full group of people (PUG group, I didnt know anyone). During the mission, our 2 tanks both died a couple of times. I didnt die at all, and I was not an energy drain on the monks, in fact they rarely had to heal me at all. And I was playing like a tank...
This game is all about building your character and using skill combinations which enable you to meet certain objectives, objectives that you define and those that the game defines.
My assassin tank build that I use for solo-farming and group play is as follows:
Disrupting Stab (can be switched out for anything else)
Golden Phoenix Strike
Death Blossom
Golden Lotus Strike
Healing Breeze (I also use Vigorous Spirit occasionally)
Healing Hands [E]
Live Vicariously
Balthazars Spirit
Some of you may take issue with the fact that I use 2 maintained enchantments, or you may say that I have a perceived energy problem, or that I'm vulnerable to enchant stripping, or this, or that, blah blah blah...
I've heard it all many times, but I assure you, this build works for me. I dont have energy issues, I dont have healing issues, and I can tank just as well as any Warrior.
To sum up, the people who bitch about assassins are the ones who havent actually spent the time to make it work. I'm sick of the assassin-hate that the majority of players have.
I play my assassin as a tank because I choose to, not because I'm an un-educated noob. I can solo-farm many types of mobs, in many different areas.
I also perform very well in groups. Just a couple days ago I took my assassin through the Abaddons Mouth mission with a full group of people (PUG group, I didnt know anyone). During the mission, our 2 tanks both died a couple of times. I didnt die at all, and I was not an energy drain on the monks, in fact they rarely had to heal me at all. And I was playing like a tank...
This game is all about building your character and using skill combinations which enable you to meet certain objectives, objectives that you define and those that the game defines.
My assassin tank build that I use for solo-farming and group play is as follows:
Disrupting Stab (can be switched out for anything else)
Golden Phoenix Strike
Death Blossom
Golden Lotus Strike
Healing Breeze (I also use Vigorous Spirit occasionally)
Healing Hands [E]
Live Vicariously
Balthazars Spirit
Some of you may take issue with the fact that I use 2 maintained enchantments, or you may say that I have a perceived energy problem, or that I'm vulnerable to enchant stripping, or this, or that, blah blah blah...
I've heard it all many times, but I assure you, this build works for me. I dont have energy issues, I dont have healing issues, and I can tank just as well as any Warrior.
To sum up, the people who bitch about assassins are the ones who havent actually spent the time to make it work. I'm sick of the assassin-hate that the majority of players have.
sinican
I played an asn through factions... IMO Assassins are way underpar... i know a lot of assassins will argue this... however there are a few reasons they are factually weaker...
i would like to point out that my asn was great fun through earlier parts of cantha but then as soon as i hit the lvl 20+ mobs it all went downhill from there...
a major reason i believe asns lack is do to the nature of their attacks what makes a player dramatically affect the outcome of his/her character is being able to use their chosen skills in strategic orders dependant upon the situations they are face... with the asn however the skills themselves have to be "chained" in preset order determined by whether they are lead/offhand/dual/etc this severely limits the entire class in general... first aspect being of corse that there is no real way an asn can counter with a skill by skill intent oh no they must go through other attacks to use the skill that will actually affect the outcome of certain battles and those skills get interupted miss and ruin the entire chain
another major flaw i see in the class is that after level 20 when the mobs keep increasing in lvl 20+ assassins much needed critical strikes that manage there small energy pool become less and less with no way to keep ciriticals at any type of stable level this include skills the specifically work off of criticals
the last part is that the assassins best defence is staying out of the fight this is completely pointless to me... you cannot do dmg unless you are in the fight and most of the assassins dmg potential is destroyed because of this warriors do more dmg meerly because they can provide continuous dmg whilst taking it an asn is able to spike some nasty dmg but again laster against lvl 20+ mobs this spike dmg isn't enough to actually Assassinate a single target before its already time to retreat from agro/dmg
this is my opinion...
i would like to point out that my asn was great fun through earlier parts of cantha but then as soon as i hit the lvl 20+ mobs it all went downhill from there...
a major reason i believe asns lack is do to the nature of their attacks what makes a player dramatically affect the outcome of his/her character is being able to use their chosen skills in strategic orders dependant upon the situations they are face... with the asn however the skills themselves have to be "chained" in preset order determined by whether they are lead/offhand/dual/etc this severely limits the entire class in general... first aspect being of corse that there is no real way an asn can counter with a skill by skill intent oh no they must go through other attacks to use the skill that will actually affect the outcome of certain battles and those skills get interupted miss and ruin the entire chain
another major flaw i see in the class is that after level 20 when the mobs keep increasing in lvl 20+ assassins much needed critical strikes that manage there small energy pool become less and less with no way to keep ciriticals at any type of stable level this include skills the specifically work off of criticals
the last part is that the assassins best defence is staying out of the fight this is completely pointless to me... you cannot do dmg unless you are in the fight and most of the assassins dmg potential is destroyed because of this warriors do more dmg meerly because they can provide continuous dmg whilst taking it an asn is able to spike some nasty dmg but again laster against lvl 20+ mobs this spike dmg isn't enough to actually Assassinate a single target before its already time to retreat from agro/dmg
this is my opinion...
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
^^ I do believe that I disagree with you in every fashion, Sins can spike whatever the heck they want, In raisu palace I was spiking tanks and rangers, all level 28, in this area if you rely on crit hits then you are umm screwed, but if you rely on secure damage+conditions than you will be fine. Alot of people think that sins only being able to take out one target for every 15-20 secs is weak when it isn't, if a sin actually takes the time to think and pick his targets than he is fine, The order of target picking should go Monk>rit>mes>necro>ele>ranger and by that time the tanks would likely have gotten rid of the tanks, also the sin is THE boss killer. On Unwaking when we got to Kuuni our team was down to about three people with just me, a tank, and a monk, and the tank kept a good DPS going while I spiked and kept kuuni conditioned (deep wound and bleed) and it got us through with masters. Sins don't deserve to be hated, and splatter, looking over your build I think that is one of the few tanking builds that I think could work if played right. Oh also a Sin is nowhere near a watered down warrior, they shouldn't even be compared, and actually, a Sin, if played right, is a tanks best friend, by taking out the one thing that can demolish the tank, the casters. ALso the sin can condition down the tanks target and make the tanks job MUCH easier. If anyone thinks that sins are weak, go to the Sin boards and look at my open invitation.
Astraea Zopyros
Maybe this should be merged with the "Monk Abuse" thread, and renamed, "We hate PuGS."
Every profession has advantages and disadvantages. Currently, yes, it will be very difficult for Assassins to get a group. This is not necessarily because we hate Assassins--due to the newness of the profession, there are a lot of Assassins out there.
One is ok for a group. Two can be handled. Three? That's pushing it. As a monk, just like I'd never take a group with more than two warriors, two elementalists, two necromancers, etc., I won't take a group with more than two Assassins. Too many of one class severely hinders the group. Currently there are a ton of Assassins, so groups fill up much quicker.
Also, many players are still discovering a playstyle that works for them. Just as when I was a new monk, I really sucked at it, new Assassins really suck. Anytime you are new at a profession and without guidance, you stand a high chance of really sucking. It just happens.
Thus said, I really feel this is a PuG and general player problem, not just an Assassin, Monk, Mesmer, Warrior, Necromancer, Ranger, Elementalist, Ritualist hate problem...
Every profession has advantages and disadvantages. Currently, yes, it will be very difficult for Assassins to get a group. This is not necessarily because we hate Assassins--due to the newness of the profession, there are a lot of Assassins out there.
One is ok for a group. Two can be handled. Three? That's pushing it. As a monk, just like I'd never take a group with more than two warriors, two elementalists, two necromancers, etc., I won't take a group with more than two Assassins. Too many of one class severely hinders the group. Currently there are a ton of Assassins, so groups fill up much quicker.
Also, many players are still discovering a playstyle that works for them. Just as when I was a new monk, I really sucked at it, new Assassins really suck. Anytime you are new at a profession and without guidance, you stand a high chance of really sucking. It just happens.
Thus said, I really feel this is a PuG and general player problem, not just an Assassin, Monk, Mesmer, Warrior, Necromancer, Ranger, Elementalist, Ritualist hate problem...