New Titles: Charmed/Hapless

Carth`

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Well I suppose you are right. I guess the reason I'm disappointed is because I was going for Kind of a Big Deal, but I refuse to join all the afkers for these two titles. Seems like an easy way of getting it rather than actually accomplishing anything.

Shadowspawn X

Shadowspawn X

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fellowship of Champions

R/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by MSecorsky
Besides, if the afkers are here, Aspenwood should be much improved!
Great point!

I think one or two goofy titles are fine, drunkard and lucky/unlucky are fun but that is enough sillyness. I dont want my title tab junked up with meaningless titles in the long run.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth`
I was going for Kind of a Big Deal, but I refuse to join all the afkers for these two titles.
Doesnt count for the KoaBD , its accounted based not charactor based.

Mercury Angel

Mercury Angel

Avatar of Gwen

Join Date: Apr 2005

Wandering my own road.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ultimastrike
Actually what it means is that this title is as expensive as any other 3 million gold title.
True... About 2.2 million to max it. If they add a casino in permanently, it'd be slightly understandable. But the AFK time is a bit ridiculous.

At least with drinking, you can zone to accelerate it.

Carth`

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Well looks like it has tiers anyway so it might be more like the drunkard award, which is a good thing.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

I don't see how charmed/hapless are any less worthwhile then any of the other grind-based titles. Ie: Chest-opening based titles, Item-Identifcation based titles. Charmed/hapless seem to be inline with the "grind standard" of most other titles, so in my view it doesn't make sense to bash them any more than it does to bash most other titles.

That said, it would be nice if the they added titles that actually took some skill to get, aside from the PVP ones.

Cyan The Archer

Cyan The Archer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Denmark

R/

Navaros: And Protector titles dont?

Yichi

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

its easy, buy a few stacks of tickets, leave on overnight with char on center square, rinse and repeat. i did that last night only and got home around noon and already 3/4 of the way too lvl 1

Yuo Can Do It!

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Rt/Me

These two new titles are basically here for one reason - a money sink. They're using them to lower the amount of money in the economy, perhaps they didn't predict this much money being out, whatever.

Carth`

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X
Doesnt count for the KoaBD , its accounted based not charactor based.
Oh. Then I have no objections to these new titles, they are just a bit of fun...

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

The Charmed/Hapless titles have 5 levels, and I'm not sure how the math works out but I would guess that if you're looking for max in them you're spending WELL over what the other grind-based titles cost.

CyberNigma

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

San Antonio, TX

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X
Great point!

I think one or two goofy titles are fine, drunkard and lucky/unlucky are fun but that is enough sillyness. I dont want my title tab junked up with meaningless titles in the long run.



Doesnt count for the KoaBD , its accounted based not charactor based.
I don't think it matters. Nobody specified one over the other in Wiki, and when I look at my H dialog it shows 4/5 and just says 5 titles have to be maxed. I think KoaBD can be had with character OR account titles, in order to allow for PvP players to have a chance (which are all account-based titles).

Even on Wiki, the Kind of a Big Deal is separated from Account-base and Character-based titles, more like a third category since it probably applies to both.

I don't have any account-based ones maxed yet as they take a while.

The best way to find out of course is to have someone with an account-based title maxed (a PvP'er I imagine) post whether it updated his KoaBD title or not. If so, then these titles should count as well.

Solar Light

Solar Light

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Teutonic Warriors {TW}

Mo/

confermation for tiers for charmed lucky title, i get dibs on first reported snagging here,

posted screenie

anti_z3r0

anti_z3r0

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

Black Rose Assassins [BRA]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Solar Light
confermation for tiers for charmed lucky title, i get dibs on first reported snagging here,
Mind posting a screenshot?

Solar Light

Solar Light

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Teutonic Warriors {TW}

Mo/

edited post for screenie, didnt want to double post 3

if you want to go as far as proving its me, add my monks name to friendlist and you will see me online in my war, i can even meet people to prove it.

kilownd

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2006

Undercover Gamers

Mo/

ummm prove what? lmao who cares?

Eet GnomeSmasher

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

In my head

Why are people complaining about this harmless silly title? So what if it rewards you for basically doing nothing? It doesnt unbalance the game and EVERYONE knows that it's just for laughs. Well...almost everyone knows that....

anti_z3r0

anti_z3r0

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

Black Rose Assassins [BRA]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher
Why are people complaining about this harmless silly title? So what if it rewards you for basically doing nothing? It doesnt unbalance the game and EVERYONE knows that it's just for laughs. Well...almost everyone knows that....
It frustrated me when ANet puts in an unobtainable title in the game. the max level for Unlucky will take a minimum of 1,608 hours, which is over 67 days of constant gameplay. This also assumes they lose every single game, so it will be even more than that. If ANet continues to do these carnivals, assumign each event is 5 days long... it will take people well over 13 events to even come close to getting the title. This also means that they can spend no time enjoying the rest of the festival seeing as they have to idle on one spot for the entire duration of the festival.

I love the title, don't get me wrong, that's why my character is sitting around doing absolutely nothing for the next x hours. I will only get the first tier though, because those max levels are absurd and unobtainable. I just wish they had a more realistic max level.

Eet GnomeSmasher

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

In my head

Actually I was referring to the people complaining about how the titles are pointless because people arent really "accomplishing" them since they can just go afk.

Heck, all titles are pretty much pointless...which is how they should be. But I still love them.

Witchblade

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher
Actually I was referring to the people complaining about how the titles are pointless because it people arent really "accomplishing" them since they can just go afk.

Heck, all titles are pretty much pointless...which is how they should be. But I still love them.
ya sure.. like the tactical skills required for the so subtle Drinking title, which can be maxed...duh

BTW: (sry if someone mentionned that already .. )

who said that all further CHANCE GAMES in other events will work just like this one ?
what if u gotta play the dumb games ?

Chooby

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Last Night: Bought 30k worth of tickets.

Had 7 stacks and 100 tickets.
Stood on left corner circle of 9 game
Ticket Count when wake up 9 hours later: 9
22,235 Won
1,699 Lost

Ken Dei

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/Mo

I make more tickets making educated guesses based on pattern recognition. I was losing far more by just standing on the center. When there are to many unknown "X"s math doesn't mean jack.

Example: A.Net recognizes the basic mathmatical equation involved and stacks the odds to favor different spots in the randomization coding. i.e. slightly heavier on corners.

So unless you don't have time to spend a few hours. (Very understandable.) Just guess people.

The most basic pattern I notice is:

-Chess Knight Move

1.

XOO
OOO
OOO

2.

OOO OOO
OOX OOO
OOO OXO

Asrial

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Centurion Guard

Mo/E

Grr, I'm officially annoyed. Come home, expecting a nice little 10 hour AFK session only to find out I had been disconnected. Yeehaw!

8:30am
9x250 (stack)
1x38 (leftover)
28,061 (won)
2,044 (lost)


?
9x250 (stack)
1x58 (leftover)
33,721 (won)
2,404 (lost)

Still on the corner. I WAS in the running to be one of the first hitting the title.. but not now! I will however, be grinding away at this until the end of the festival.

K U J A

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Montreal

Lords Lonely Lovers

Mo/Me

I think the top left corner (or number 1) if ur facing towards Teilah is the most rewarding. Not the chances or anything.

I bought 2 1/2 Stacks(625). I'm now at 14k tickets won and 1000 losses. And i have 140 tickets left.

Maybe these things arent randomnized....

ecto bomb

ecto bomb

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

US, FL!!

Survivors of Rhydin (SoR) 8 Guild Alliance

N/Me

Well after 10 Hours of afkness.

I finally reached 50,000 Tickets won.
And about 3,000 lost.

(Will post screeny for proof)

Asrial

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Centurion Guard

Mo/E

More data...

? (restarted @ 6:40pm)
9x250
1x58
33,721
2,404

9:40pm
9x250
1x53
44,926
3,147

.

For 5 tickets.. I won 11k and lost ~800 games. It really is NOT expensive to do this. The money requirement is so you can ride out bad streaks.

SamGad

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

X-Universe

W/Me

...I'm sorry but i'd say if there's anyone willing to stand on that spot for 4 millenia just to get two steps closer to Kind of a big deal then it's all the better for us...
It's about a step up from them just finding a cliff...

Mtank325

Mtank325

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Crimson Blood Dragons [CBD]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SamGad
...I'm sorry but i'd say if there's anyone willing to stand on that spot for 4 millenia just to get two steps closer to Kind of a big deal then it's all the better for us...
It's about a step up from them just finding a cliff...
Er, it's been mentioned that since these are account-based titles they don't go towards the KoaBD title.

Anyway, I'm also only going for the first tier. Leave it on tonight, maybe throw in a few complete virus scans, and throw in a d/l of the high-def MGS4 trailer, and hopefully have the title and some spare tickets to get some presents. I love just random objects to add to larger trades. I remember collecting a bucket load of those flowers from Pre-searing and dangling them in front of Gwen's face. Now I use them in my trades which gets mixed reactions. I think presents might be more appreciated...

ArtOfFlames

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

E/Mo

ima leave my computer on for a week... afk FTW ima go for the 2.5 winning title.... wish me luck guys

ima get back on the 5th and get my masks for all my characters ^.^

Lando Griffen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

At first, I thought standing in the middle was a sure way to win, but even though I won more than I lost, I ran out of tickets very fast...so I decided to see how the corner would work out. I bought 250 tickets and stood in the corner and when I came back an hour later, I noticed that I had several stacks of tickets. Even though you may lose more statistically, you win more tickets. I looked at my screen once and some girl was complaining that the corner was unlucky, so she moved...The next four times that corner was selected maybe it's just me, but I've found the corner to be much more profitable, (you can work on both titles and still come out ahead, and you only need to spend a little on tickets).

Lost

Lost

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Hell's Precipice

Wow, I just can't win today. I'd buy 50 tickets yesterday and that would last me 1-2 hours of afking. Today I buy 250 and it's gone in minutes, every single time. Center, corner, or side, I lose way more than the 5 ticket average per 9 plays.

Blackest Rose

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Ok Math Gurus lets extend the stats a little.

What if you have 2 accounts and you're in the same district.
Is it more advantageous to put your chars on opposite circles?
What if you got your guild involved and each of you took a corner and center.
On average would you and your guildies be up or down collectively?

I'm curious as right now I have 2 computers playing in the same district on opposite corners.... and they're doing ok....
You may need to top up one from the other from time to time but it's going ok?

A math challenge......
Can someone work it out for two players and then for 4/5 players.... it's been so long since I did probablity and stats that I don't trust myself

Basically is there any way you can rig this game and actually MAKE some money - so far I've spent about 10K!!

kensou

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/E

I think it's pretty obvious you can't. Having 1 player or n players playing at the sametime makes no difference because their odds of winning/losing are statistically indepedent

Swinging Fists

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost
Wow, I just can't win today. I'd buy 50 tickets yesterday and that would last me 1-2 hours of afking. Today I buy 250 and it's gone in minutes, every single time. Center, corner, or side, I lose way more than the 5 ticket average per 9 plays.
You need to buy higher quantities to be able to withstand bad streaks. If you don't, you will be wiped out when you hit a bad streak and be left with less than 10 tickets, not playing anymore.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtank325
Er, it's been mentioned that since these are account-based titles they don't go towards the KoaBD title.
Well, yes it has been mentioned, but not confirmed correct. Actually, I would venture to say that any of the titles, maxed, will count towards KoaBD. Doesn't matter whether they are account-based or character-based. Why should it ? And is there official information somewhere that is leading people to believe this ?

Talon one

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

ice

W/

yay both titles at once


i was trying to get it to exactly 50,000/5,000, but i had a bad winning streak towards the end

Trelon Burg

Trelon Burg

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Oklahoma

Uphill Battle [uB]

Progress thus far, if you want to call going and watching movies and bowling while your afk progress

Oblivion Odyssey

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

King Of Slaying [Leader]

W/Mo

Your math isn't absolute. You forget the title goes by tickets won, not games won... therefore corners win 55+15+15+0+0+0+0+0+0=85 tickets every 9 rounds, and center wins 25+15+15+15+15+0+0+0+0=85 tickets every 9 rounds. Therefore the place you stand doesn't matter for lucky title, but it DOES matter for unlucky title, as while corner rings win the same amount of tickets, they ALSO lose MORE TIMES. Therefore for both titles corner is best. Now THAT is absolute.

And also I've worked out the "maths" problem stated above- every time you play you will lose and average of 5 tickets per 9 rounds- it doesn't matter if you have 1000 people standing in different locations or 2 in the same- for each character, on average, he will lose 5 tickets per 9 rounds. Now that isn't even maths :P

Kool Pajamas

Kool Pajamas

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oblivion Odyssey
Your math isn't absolute. You forget the title goes by tickets won, not games won... therefore corners win 55+15+15+0+0+0+0+0+0=85 tickets every 9 rounds, and center wins 25+15+15+15+15+0+0+0+0=85 tickets every 9 rounds. Therefore the place you stand doesn't matter for lucky title, but it DOES matter for unlucky title, as while corner rings win the same amount of tickets, they ALSO lose MORE TIMES. Therefore for both titles corner is best. Now THAT is absolute.

And also I've worked out the "maths" problem stated above- every time you play you will lose and average of 5 tickets per 9 rounds- it doesn't matter if you have 1000 people standing in different locations or 2 in the same- for each character, on average, he will lose 5 tickets per 9 rounds. Now that isn't even maths :P
Correct. But if you stand on the corner you will have more losing streaks so you will need a much bigger amount of tickets to start with so you dont run out while afk.

Amras

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Farmers Union [CASH]

Mo/

I'm beginning to think Anet invented this games so we go afk and get some sleep. Good thinking Anet, keep it up

Juicey Shake

Juicey Shake

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

CA

in it for the trimmmm

R/

Uggggh... 95,500 won... don't care about a screenshot, going to sleep !!

Witchblade

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

kinda funny, if things keep going that way i ll go from 50k to 100k for free