WTF?! I would like to know which community ANET listens to..
Mavrik
Well this extra storage though not much is something I will gladly take. It frees up for me at least half my storage. They should do the same thing for dye IMO.
RTSFirebat
The way I see it, this storage change is better then nothing. Anything that frees up additional space for stuff is great.
I'll be able to move all my rare and common materials out of the way, making room for more important things.
I do hope A.net implements a small Event tab for all the masks we're all been collecting lol
I'll be able to move all my rare and common materials out of the way, making room for more important things.
I do hope A.net implements a small Event tab for all the masks we're all been collecting lol
Konrow
For some people like me this is greta as i'm sure i'm not the only one who has a storage full of materials. My storage could be freed up now and my mule could actually not be a mule and be a real charcter which i'm itching to play
Curse You
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I have 4 stacks of iron and 3 stacks of wood. All in my storage. Why? Nobody will buy them. I'm selling them cheap, too - but still no buyers.
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Kali Magdalene
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Originally Posted by Da Cebuano
Please point out where these "majority" hang out cause I'm plenty sure that a "majority" of people wanted storage for armors and stuff like that, infact, I never even heard ingame or online sites of people asking for materials storage, let alone a specific slot of 1 stack each. I know some people here have the "OMG I'm a defender zealot of anet if i'm good enough I get a pat in the back" kind of person, but c'mon, this update was not a reflection of the general community in GW.
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I keep my armor sets on the characters who wear them. My storage is almost entirely full of crafting materials and 15 of those slots will be freed up when this change goes through. I like the change.
I agree that it should be for all players, or that each chapter should have its own storage improvements. Just giving it to those with Factions seems wrong to me.
Also, as for storage space: When it comes to server expenses for games like this, storage is probably the cheapest part of the equation. While material storage may take up less memory than true slots that can hold anything, adding more of those slots are very unlikely to cause unbearable server load.
Kali Magdalene
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Originally Posted by Swinging Fists
FYI - Computer data is stored in "bytes". A byte is 8 bits long. Each bit can be thought of to have a value of either 1 or 0, on or off, etc. So, each byte can store 256 different values. Since the max quantity in any slot if 250, it seems to be the case that they are using one byte to store the quantity. The most they could increase that is to 255 (since they have to allow for 0), without increasing the number of bytes to store it. This is why a "250 stack could be much different than a 999 stack". It likely has nothing to do with the number of digits in the number. You have to think in "binary" as computers do.
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So going to stack sizes of 1000 would add two bits to the data.
pork soldier
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J3mo
Whiiiine whiiiine whiiiine, be glad, you atleast got more slots
Stockholm
WTF. I'm allready stockpiling mats for ch.3, I don't intend to scramble around paying ridicules prices for 2 weeks just to make armor.
Good job A-Net
Good job A-Net
natuxatu
wOOt I knew this was coming... If it was the other way around.. the whines would still be coming.
Thank A.Net I think it's a great addition to have! Kay bye~
Thank A.Net I think it's a great addition to have! Kay bye~
Meo Yeong
they should make it material and dye.
id be happy with that
id be happy with that
thor hammerbane
where is my guild storage 
Poison Ivy
Anet is sewing us socks while were begging for clothes.
Listen to US...
Listen to US...
Exoudeous
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Anet is sewing us socks while were begging for clothes.
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Poison Ivy
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are YOU even listening?
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What a terribly stupid question.
Exoudeous
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Em, yes, obviously.
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and no, its a good question, cause you have not made it obvious or not if you had read anything else. If you made it apperent, then no question would have been needed.
Lihan
We should at least be glad, because they easily could have not given us anything at all. I'm sure you have some materials in your storage, so you can at least save a slot for a weapon or something..
Takonic
the real question is when are they giving us more space! i mean all the other rpg's i played have HUGE storage for your account...this is awsome yes bout friggin TIME...but WoW has a large storage,i mean Diablo2 had more storage >.<
and u could mule more!!..for us non rich folk, my storage is bulked up by materials,dyes and the golds that are good i find...but since storage is so small half my active characters have to be carrying another mans junk....i demand the space!
and u could mule more!!..for us non rich folk, my storage is bulked up by materials,dyes and the golds that are good i find...but since storage is so small half my active characters have to be carrying another mans junk....i demand the space!
Gorebrex
I know what Takonic's saying about storage in other RPGs. In Anarchy Online, for example, you have a "Bank" that has more than double the storage we have. In addition, your AO character can buy backpacks(multiple backpacks if desired), and the cheapest ones have about 36 slots.
Um, what? If thats how theyre doing it, it makes me sad. Im not a programmer, but I THINK you dont have to have the inventory scan every possible item in the game to figure out whats in a particular slot. If I could, Id have it so that when an item is stored, the server "tags" it as whatever it is. The games program does know what an items stats are, unless someone was silly enough to make GW scan your weapon hand every time you change weapons, THEN, to scan...weapon = sword...damage range = 12-17...handle = Normal... ect. Thats just ridiculous, but its what Swinging Fists seems to be saying they do with inventory. I would rather have had them increase stack size to 500, as right now, I could free up about 3-5 slots on each of my 4 characters(roughly equal to the 20 given ONLY to Factions players. Typical of OLRPGs though(Want the goodies we made almost a necessity? Buy this!) I usually tolerate it though, if I really like the game.
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FYI -...
Now, if you really think about the extra bytes required to make the enhancement that ANet made vs. the storage that people want that can hold anything is quite significant. As stated above, they are able to transmit all data regarding the extra 34 slots with just 34 bytes. They don't need to trasmit what the spot holds because it can only hold one thing. They only have to transmit the quantity, which only takes one byte per slot. How many bytes would be required to transmit each slot if it could hold anything ? Think of all the combinations of different kinds of armor, body spots, dyes applied in varying combinations, weapons including all the different combinations of mods in differing percentages, whether they are customized or not and for whom they are customized, etc. There is a ton of information that would have to be transfered to identify exactly what it is in each slot. Multiply this by all the players, current and future, and hopefully you get an idea of the increased traffic and storage that such storage increases would cause. I don't know about you, but I don't want ANet making stupid system design decisions to appease some, while in the long-term, destroying the playability of the game. |
Ristaron
I like the new storage addition... but that's because I store all my materials in the vault already and they take up 3/4 of the space.
So for me I'm getting another 3/4 of a vault of room... but that's on paper...
I generally have more than one stack of things like tanned hide squares and cloth (I assume most people do). The fact we are limited to one slot for each material (and that's assuming we collect every material...) is very much disheartening.
While I understand the OP's frustration, I must point out that it is reasonable for the mod to be limited so much. Look at it from the POV of someone who can't get Factions, but has Prophecies. They're not missing out on much, but we're getting more benefit for having bought the second chapter... which is how it should be.
So for me I'm getting another 3/4 of a vault of room... but that's on paper...
I generally have more than one stack of things like tanned hide squares and cloth (I assume most people do). The fact we are limited to one slot for each material (and that's assuming we collect every material...) is very much disheartening.
While I understand the OP's frustration, I must point out that it is reasonable for the mod to be limited so much. Look at it from the POV of someone who can't get Factions, but has Prophecies. They're not missing out on much, but we're getting more benefit for having bought the second chapter... which is how it should be.
Mr_eX
Hoarding is considered a serious mental disorder in real life, but for some reason having full inventories on all 6-8 of your MMO characters is acceptable? :P
Seriously, I for one don't have horrible storage woes. All of my characters can fit their essential items (second set of armor, 2nd/3rd/4th weapon sets, ID/salvage kits,) into one or maybe two bags. All of my Ranger's stuff fits in 1 bag, so I have my dye collection stashed in his second bag. All of my Mesmer's stuff fits in one bag, so I have my common materials in his second bag. My storage box has rare materials and keys in it.
All of my characters have 100% clear backpacks and belt pouches for collecting drops during regular gameplay, and my storage box has 8 slots free.
I seriously don't understand why people complain about not enough storage, except for serious armor crafters. OTOH, my Necromancer has 3 sets of armor, and I still have plenty of space in her inventory. I think some people are just excessive in what they accumulate and craft.
Bottom line: Figure out what you really need and keep it, and get rid of what you're not going to use. Then this new storage addition will be more than enough.
Seriously, I for one don't have horrible storage woes. All of my characters can fit their essential items (second set of armor, 2nd/3rd/4th weapon sets, ID/salvage kits,) into one or maybe two bags. All of my Ranger's stuff fits in 1 bag, so I have my dye collection stashed in his second bag. All of my Mesmer's stuff fits in one bag, so I have my common materials in his second bag. My storage box has rare materials and keys in it.
All of my characters have 100% clear backpacks and belt pouches for collecting drops during regular gameplay, and my storage box has 8 slots free.
I seriously don't understand why people complain about not enough storage, except for serious armor crafters. OTOH, my Necromancer has 3 sets of armor, and I still have plenty of space in her inventory. I think some people are just excessive in what they accumulate and craft.
Bottom line: Figure out what you really need and keep it, and get rid of what you're not going to use. Then this new storage addition will be more than enough.
B Ephekt
This update won't help me much at all. I'm not int he habit of hording materials, and I have maybe 3 slots in use right now for jade, and an ecto or shard or two. This new tab is pretty useless to me, I'd much rather extra space for items, weapons and armor.
I really think Anet wants to sell those new character slots as mules though, so I doubt storage will be improved much more than this. I would even be fine with using a character as a mule if I didn't have to sign in and out every time I switched characters.
If you pvp with your pve characters, you can accumulate quite a bit of weapons and armor. I have 17 pieces of armor and at least 15 weapons for my monk, and I USE all of them. This new storage "improvement" is utterly useless to me.
I really think Anet wants to sell those new character slots as mules though, so I doubt storage will be improved much more than this. I would even be fine with using a character as a mule if I didn't have to sign in and out every time I switched characters.
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I seriously don't understand why people complain about not enough storage, except for serious armor crafters. OTOH, my Necromancer has 3 sets of armor, and I still have plenty of space in her inventory. I think some people are just excessive in what they accumulate and craft.
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Kijik Oni Hanryuu
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Originally Posted by Da Cebuano
I know some people here have the "OMG I'm a defender zealot of anet if i'm good enough I get a pat in the back" kind of person,
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yehey he's talking about me wootsauce definitely wootsauce, oh and whichever way storage goes i dun care, I am happy I am playing an MMO on par with pay-to-plays for free, and besides ima poor SoB so I dun use much storage, actually moy storage is empty cept fer like 1 quest item.
makosi
I'm grateful but I don't see why they must dictate how we use it. Is it easier on their servers if we stored materials instead of weapons? :-S
eternal pho
I don't have a single amount of crafting material in my storage cuz i tend to just quickly sell them for pure gold.
Loviatar
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I'm grateful but I don't see why they must dictate how we use it. Is it easier on their servers if we stored materials instead of weapons? :-S
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Da Cebuano
Bah, I know for a fact that it is indeed "better than nothing" but they could've ATLEAST GIVEN US SOMETHING WE COULD USE, and not some novel upgrade that is ultimately useless and more of a temporary solution. Wanna talk about simple upgrades? barholding this wont affect the server overload much, they couldve:
~Increased stack size(yeah all these arguments about bits and bytes, someone from ANET will have to confirm that).
~Superior rune of Holding = yeah, have bags carry more stuff, simple no?
~Storage tab for customized items = lets get serious here, have you guys ever had alot of items on a character but knowing you'll only be using about 3-4 at a time w/o having to carry the rest? I'm not gonna delve more into this, cause apparently too many people are short sighted, oh well.
Point being that any of these are infinitely more useful, I mean sure, a fixed storage for 1 stack of each item will free up a slot if you have some, but its ultimately a non issue, cause craft mats CAN BE EASILY ATTAINED and SOLD. While I know alot of you have had to salvage or sell some of you lesser customized items cause of lack of space.
I know some people here claiming crap like: OMG why you have that much stuff anyway? I only have this much so it don't matter! well... if you progressed enough or have done well for yourself enough, things tend to roll in real quickly, and this upgrade really only caters to material hoarders, while everyone really gets left in the dust. Yes i agree its better than nothing, but for the rest of us, It is nothing, so its not something I can praise or be happy about since I am appalled on such a solution, thus I made the topic.
Basically to explain to alot of you, my main point was "Why the **** would they do this? whats the point?" then its the cue for you guys to come w/ your generic arguments, this update makes as much sense as making savage slash cost 10 energy w/ its retarded recharge. THe timing of this is especially off, I mean factions is not even that old yet, and material hoarding is already encouraged, for what? prepare for chp3? maybe if this was added a few weeks in prophecies b4 factions release, this storage mod would've made alot of sense.
~Increased stack size(yeah all these arguments about bits and bytes, someone from ANET will have to confirm that).
~Superior rune of Holding = yeah, have bags carry more stuff, simple no?
~Storage tab for customized items = lets get serious here, have you guys ever had alot of items on a character but knowing you'll only be using about 3-4 at a time w/o having to carry the rest? I'm not gonna delve more into this, cause apparently too many people are short sighted, oh well.
Point being that any of these are infinitely more useful, I mean sure, a fixed storage for 1 stack of each item will free up a slot if you have some, but its ultimately a non issue, cause craft mats CAN BE EASILY ATTAINED and SOLD. While I know alot of you have had to salvage or sell some of you lesser customized items cause of lack of space.
I know some people here claiming crap like: OMG why you have that much stuff anyway? I only have this much so it don't matter! well... if you progressed enough or have done well for yourself enough, things tend to roll in real quickly, and this upgrade really only caters to material hoarders, while everyone really gets left in the dust. Yes i agree its better than nothing, but for the rest of us, It is nothing, so its not something I can praise or be happy about since I am appalled on such a solution, thus I made the topic.
Basically to explain to alot of you, my main point was "Why the **** would they do this? whats the point?" then its the cue for you guys to come w/ your generic arguments, this update makes as much sense as making savage slash cost 10 energy w/ its retarded recharge. THe timing of this is especially off, I mean factions is not even that old yet, and material hoarding is already encouraged, for what? prepare for chp3? maybe if this was added a few weeks in prophecies b4 factions release, this storage mod would've made alot of sense.
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Also, they have knowledge you don't. Do you (the OP and all other naysayers) know what are the most kept items in storage? I would bet money that A.Net researched the statistics on what is in everyone's storage to make sure they would please and affect the most people. I would also bet that they noticed that a large majority of players would have freed slots when they made this addition. They are a clever company that doesn't usually waste their precious resources in the manner some people suggest.
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Also, folks, do be aware that no one has said, "This is the one and only change or improvement or expanded option that we will ever make in the history of the game."
Perhaps, in time, other changes will be made, other such things will be offered. Only time will tell. But you can be sure that the additional ideas about storage options in this thread are definitely worth consideration and that the designers will read this thread. Your ideas for storage of holiday items, dyes, armor, and more, will be seen! Thanks much for the input. 
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
Go Gaile!!! OO RAH!
Clone
Meh, I'm still unimpressed. People might keep materials, but people can also move them quickly. They are fairly liquid as the materials merchant will give you a reasonably fair price should you need to free up storage. However, a lot of weapons sell to NPCs for about 1/100th of what they would if you sat around in LA and spammed WTS for an hour. And on that topic, where are the trade improvements? All I ever hear from Anet is "we're aware you want trade improvements". Thats obvious, people have been complaning about the trade system since the game has come out. When is arenanet going to go to the "we know its bad" to "here is our idea on what might be better, what do you think?" Don't keep us in the dark on your plans Anet!
Meo Yeong
I still think that it should also stretch to my dyes :P
I like keeping stacks of 250 of most coloured dyes !!
I like keeping stacks of 250 of most coloured dyes !!
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
clone clone clone, just be patient, and even then what if they do give you all these improvements you just asked for, i can put money that you will just end up wanting more.
twicky_kid
Why is there always whiners?
Anet could have NEVER made this change. They give you more room and you COMPLAIN? WTF is that? Take what is given to you and be thankful.
I 2 characters full of storage of common materials. You know what? I'm happy about this change. At least it will free up some of my slots for other items.
Anet could have NEVER made this change. They give you more room and you COMPLAIN? WTF is that? Take what is given to you and be thankful.
I 2 characters full of storage of common materials. You know what? I'm happy about this change. At least it will free up some of my slots for other items.
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
go twicky
generik
I think Anet is probably too poor to afford more storage. Guess that 2 mil sales figure isn't as great as they tried to make it out to be 
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
really tho it isn't it takes alot of money to support the servers for this game and alot of money to pay the employees, you have to think about that, this is why I feel yall should be thankful this isn't PtP, because they sure have every reason in the book to make it that way, but they gave us their word they won't.
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Bingo! Thanks for so clearly explaining things. (And thanks, too, for your faith that we don't pull ideas out of the clouds, but do things for a logical reason.)
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1) It sells Factions, no need to beat around the bush. I quote your site "Anyone who owns Factions can access this expanded storage by interacting with the Xunlai Agents in most towns and outposts."
Since Xunlai Agents exists outside of Cantha, may I ask why then?
I suppose what Alex said about trade and storage improvements will be made available irregardless of the chapters we purchase being BS then.
2) So... we buy Factions and this is what we get, only?
Hello? I understand Anet's need to conceive of some data structure that'd probably save on server requirements somewhat. As it is, even the most moronic first year computing student in college can squeeze your "material storage" into no more 37 bytes, one byte for every type of material.
Of course we all know, not so much for a fact, but out of common sense, that a general purpose storage slot would impose greater storage requirements. So we've sacrificed 90 general purpose item slots, 2 character slots, potentially consumed a bit more storage per character due to increased selection of skills and quests, and a meagre 37 byte "material stash"?
I would be quite surprised if anything interesting is to happen later in the Guild Wars franchise, what with your bit counting analness, it is not like we are ever going to have dramatically new weapons/quest structures without having the servers to be shutdown and overhauled to support it.
It is good to be cheap but I guess you guys are just.. too cheap.
Have a nice day.
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
generik I get the feeling you know not of what you speak of, so please for the sake of my sanity speak not of what you do not know, let Anet do their jobs.
Meo Yeong
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Why is there always whiners?
Anet could have NEVER made this change. They give you more room and you COMPLAIN? WTF is that? Take what is given to you and be thankful. I 2 characters full of storage of common materials. You know what? I'm happy about this change. At least it will free up some of my slots for other items. |
yeah but if you really think about it just having more slots for materials is really not that great of an improvement. That only frees up a couple slots for a person like me. What about all the weapon mods, dye, event items (as a note event items take up at this point 23 slots and we still have the dragon festival helm that brings it up to 24.
Storage itself is only 20 slots so right there we are forced into having to have a mule character carrying the 4 extra items. And what about the upcoming events. And look at that, all I have done in numbers is event items lol. Then we have 8 coloured dyes, spare armor and weapons( note some characters can carry their spares but personally when I go to my war riposte farming build or something I want as much space as possible.)
Don"t get me wrong I think its great that they are adding more space for materials since thats a litle help but it still does not help with the big picture.
In my opinion anything that is stackable that is either materials, dyes or special events should be able to go into this upcoming extra storage. I think this would be better.
Ka El Windstorm
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The only reasons I can see are..
1) It sells Factions, no need to beat around the bush. I quote your site "Anyone who owns Factions can access this expanded storage by interacting with the Xunlai Agents in most towns and outposts." Since Xunlai Agents exists outside of Cantha, may I ask why then? I suppose what Alex said about trade and storage improvements will be made available irregardless of the chapters we purchase being BS then. 2) So... we buy Factions and this is what we get, only? Hello? I understand Anet's need to conceive of some data structure that'd probably save on server requirements somewhat. As it is, even the most moronic first year computing student in college can squeeze your "material storage" into no more 37 bytes, one byte for every type of material. Of course we all know, not so much for a fact, but out of common sense, that a general purpose storage slot would impose greater storage requirements. So we've sacrificed 90 general purpose item slots, 2 character slots, potentially consumed a bit more storage per character due to increased selection of skills and quests, and a meagre 37 byte "material stash"? I would be quite surprised if anything interesting is to happen later in the Guild Wars franchise, what with your bit counting analness, it is not like we are ever going to have dramatically new weapons/quest structures without having the servers to be shutdown and overhauled to support it. It is good to be cheap but I guess you guys are just.. too cheap. Have a nice day. |