HI all,
I'm noticign a distinct lack of healing monks in the ascension missions. It takes forever to find a group tha tcan keep itself alive.
Just an observation.
Thatsall.
Lack of Monks in Ascension Missions
mehoo
Jwh6913
after all the abuse the monks get after doing 10? missions, they tend to quit or get themselves rushed to Droknar's and level to 20 to get their skills and elites and be done with the monk proffession forever
Cap'n Hoek
The ascension missions (most others too) are fairly easy to do with henchmen as a monk player. I'm sure a lot of them are going this route.
drowningfish999
It's 'cause monks get groups faster, which means they beat the game faster, which means there are less of them out there, and the supply of monks coming in is too low to compete with how fast they can finish the game.
Lost
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Originally Posted by mehoo
I'm noticign a distinct lack of healing monks in the ascension missions. It takes forever to find a group tha tcan keep itself alive.
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Digitalblast
My first char was el/nec, then i played war/el, when i started my mo/mes i finnished the game with that char before i complete it with the others that were at the last fire island. Took me about 3 days to finnish it with my monk. As soon as i logged in i would have 2-3 invites. Why dont you try starting a monk if you havent already.
salja Wachi
take the henchies they are better than 90% of the "healing monks" you will find anyway 
Mercury Angel
Each henchmen only weilds 5 skills, 1 of which is a rez.
Heal Other (Becomes Word of Healing later), Healing Breeze, Orison of Healing, Healing Touch, and Restore Life are all Alesia/Mhenlo have
Reversal of Fortune, Sheild of Regeneration, Protective Spirit, Aegis, and Restore Life are all Lina has.
There's a distinct lack of Condition and Hex removal that can hurt your group quite a bit at times. (Poison, for example, is not usually a major problem. When your entire group suffers from poison, the damage is a bit fast, and a bit too spread out for the hench to always handle. 8 damage per second on 6 people = 48 damage per second, in addition to all of the other hits your party is taking.)
Heal Other (Becomes Word of Healing later), Healing Breeze, Orison of Healing, Healing Touch, and Restore Life are all Alesia/Mhenlo have
Reversal of Fortune, Sheild of Regeneration, Protective Spirit, Aegis, and Restore Life are all Lina has.
There's a distinct lack of Condition and Hex removal that can hurt your group quite a bit at times. (Poison, for example, is not usually a major problem. When your entire group suffers from poison, the damage is a bit fast, and a bit too spread out for the hench to always handle. 8 damage per second on 6 people = 48 damage per second, in addition to all of the other hits your party is taking.)
Gardavil
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
take the henchies they are better than 90% of the "healing monks" you will find anyway
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Another reason some people won't try a healer is LAG, some people have it worse than others. If your lagging, you can't be a good healer, no matter how hard you try. Contrary to the urban myths about internet access, many parts of north America still have nothing better than dailup internet access.
Mormegil
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
take the henchies they are better than 90% of the "healing monks" you will find anyway
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The fact that the Elite of GW morons seems to choose the monk profession is not a reason to bash on the class. I've seen very few warriors who know which skills to choose. Most of them are confident in their armor and are convinced they can tank, but they couldn't tank a 4 yrs old child.
Sleazy_D
My biggest problem with the later missions is how easy they are right up until after ascenssion. Then you need teamwork, and some skill... maybe clear leadership, who knows... Because most people could coast through a bunch of these missions by tanking, and spanking you get a bunch of guys who have not been challenged to their full extent. So they have no "A" game to bring. Some get deffensive, others like to take it out on the healer, and others get frustrated and quit.
There's no need.
Give us the challenge. The first time I did Althea's ashes, it took 2 hours, and 4 party wipes to get things done with a group of people in the same room in close cooperation. The second time? We paused before the alter to pull a couple of mobs, but before that it was more like a group of level 10s steamrolling charr.
By the time I'm doing Thunderhead Keep, I should not be worried that the Mesmer is going to try to tank, or that there are 2 front-line target callers, nor people fighting over corpse use. This shtuff should be basic by now. I should be figuring how to best defend the midget king of suicidal tendancies, and who's got catapult duty.
There's no need.
Give us the challenge. The first time I did Althea's ashes, it took 2 hours, and 4 party wipes to get things done with a group of people in the same room in close cooperation. The second time? We paused before the alter to pull a couple of mobs, but before that it was more like a group of level 10s steamrolling charr.
By the time I'm doing Thunderhead Keep, I should not be worried that the Mesmer is going to try to tank, or that there are 2 front-line target callers, nor people fighting over corpse use. This shtuff should be basic by now. I should be figuring how to best defend the midget king of suicidal tendancies, and who's got catapult duty.
salja Wachi
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Originally Posted by Mormegil
Yes, try Thirsty River with henchies if you're not a monk, and behold. Or maybe Thunderhead Keep. Alesia rushes in and usually gets killed first, so no, they're not better than 90% healing monks, they just don't quit the game (mainly because they can't-if henchies had a soul they'd probably be "afk, phone" most of the time).
The fact that the Elite of GW morons seems to choose the monk profession is not a reason to bash on the class. I've seen very few warriors who know which skills to choose. Most of them are confident in their armor and are convinced they can tank, but they couldn't tank a 4 yrs old child. |
as a matter of fact i have done thirsty and thunderhead with all henchies. thats right just me and henchies.
try it sometime, it takes skill.
arnansnow
I tried doing Thirsty River with henchman once, worked very well until to the end (the monk boss). Apparently, Henchies are unable to focus fire on the priest, when I am Targeting it (call target).
Fortunately though, the group after that one was succesful in winning.
For Dunes, you don't even need a healer, just get alesia and your set. (on a side note, did you know that the siege wurm's attack is reduced by Ward of Elements?)
Fortunately though, the group after that one was succesful in winning.
For Dunes, you don't even need a healer, just get alesia and your set. (on a side note, did you know that the siege wurm's attack is reduced by Ward of Elements?)
Tactical-Dillusions
Yes, the abuse that monks get is a big reason for the lack of them in the later missions. Some bad monks have gone (aswell as the good ones who got abused) , but the other bad player classes still remain, mainly because noone bashes them. It leaves a big imbalance.
Monk shortage + strategic missions + surplus of N/W tanks = catastrophe.
I made a monk to help out and for a whole week all i did was help people in elona and dunes. I have since retired to the life of a smiter.
Good luck!
[Not to bash the N/W class...just the ones who tank 3 enchanted sword and expect to win.
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Monk shortage + strategic missions + surplus of N/W tanks = catastrophe.
I made a monk to help out and for a whole week all i did was help people in elona and dunes. I have since retired to the life of a smiter.
Good luck!
[Not to bash the N/W class...just the ones who tank 3 enchanted sword and expect to win.
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salja Wachi
not even a warrior can tank 3 enchanted wrods and win so i do not see how a N/W can do it 
Mormegil
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
as a matter of fact i have done thirsty and thunderhead with all henchies. thats right just me and henchies.
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Thirsty is very difficult only with henchies, but possible. It'll take you twice the time probably.
And "try it sometime, it takes skill" is the kind of tough talking I'd deem appropriate on the mouth of Chuck Norris, AKA Walker Texas Ranger. Please don't be ridiculous.
Tactical-Dillusions
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
not even a warrior can tank 3 enchanted wrods and win so i do not see how a N/W can do it
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salja Wachi
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Originally Posted by Mormegil
Impossible to do Thunderhead keep only with henchies, if you're not a Mo/X or a secondary Mo. Don't lie or your nose will become longer.
Thirsty is very difficult only with henchies, but possible. It'll take you twice the time probably. And "try it sometime, it takes skill" is the kind of tough talking I'd deem appropriate on the mouth of Chuck Norris, AKA Walker Texas Ranger. Please don't be ridiculous. |
If there is one thing i hate it is being called a liar. it is not impossible to do thunderhead keep with henchies. no mission is impossible with all henchies.
I am sorry if you cannot do it (practice up a bit maybey ou will be able to) i did it with all henchies on my R/W character if you do not believe me that is your own problem but i am going to ask you to refrain from calling someone a liar, (especially when you have no proof they are lying). sorry if i hurt your ego, but just because you cannot do it does not mean it cannot be done.
have a nice day
salja Wachi
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Originally Posted by Tactical-Dillusions
My monk can tank them with no problem whatsoever...and kill them all.
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I have no doubt a smiting monk can do it
no doubt at all.
Mormegil
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
If there is one thing i hate it is being called a liar. it is not impossible to do thunderhead keep with henchies. no mission is impossible with all henchies.
I am sorry if you cannot do it (practice up a bit maybey ou will be able to) i did it with all henchies on my R/W character if you do not believe me that is your own problem but i am going to ask you to refrain from calling someone a liar, (especially when you have no proof they are lying). sorry if i hurt your ego, but just because you cannot do it does not mean it cannot be done. have a nice day |
I'm sorry, you're wrong here. Thunderhead Keep is impossible only with henchies with a non-healer char. It's not about skill: the King has suicidal tendencies all the time, Alesia is probably the better rusher in the whole game and usually gets killed first. You won't keep the King alive, even though you have Uber tactics and such.
Or maybe you're a prodigy and can PM me how you managed to do it (yes, this is an occasion to admit you're simply bragging and lying).
Narcissus
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Hoek
The ascension missions (most others too) are fairly easy to do with henchmen as a monk player. I'm sure a lot of them are going this route.
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Thirsty River can be done with henchies for a non monk: Was a breeze with My Hydromancer/Ranger (Maelstrom > Josso/priests).
Thunderhead keep I'm a bit doubtful of... but I can't see why anyone would feel the need to lie on the internet.
salja Wachi
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Originally Posted by Mormegil
Stop spreading misinformation, and stop telling people to practice up. You don't even know if I'm skilled or not and assuming I'm not is childish and arrogant.
I'm sorry, you're wrong here. Thunderhead Keep is impossible only with henchies with a non-healer char. It's not about skill: the King has suicidal tendencies all the time, Alesia is probably the better rusher in the whole game and usually gets killed first. You won't keep the King alive, even though you have Uber tactics and such. Or maybe you're a prodigy and can PM me how you managed to do it (yes, this is an occasion to admit you're simply bragging and lying). |
our conversation is over.
you cannot do it so you say others cannot. the king stays at the top of the stairs all you ahve to do is stay up thre with him. the mobs ony come 2-3 at a time.
again i am sorry if you cannot do it, too bad you are not skilled enough.
practice some more and keep trying.
Mormegil
Hilarious.
borkbork
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
our conversation is over.
you cannot do it so you say others cannot. the king stays at the top of the stairs all you ahve to do is stay up thre with him. the mobs ony come 2-3 at a time. again i am sorry if you cannot do it, too bad you are not skilled enough. practice some more and keep trying. |
You do you realize he follows you, and its easy to keep him in the back for a couple second while the henchie tanks run foward.
For the second part, form a ring around the king. It was harder back then without the henchies being infused completely. Now all you have to do is withstand the first wave of giants and its pretty much smooth sailing.
salja Wachi
oops mormegail you gonna call someone else a lair now??
coem on call us all liars. the ony hilarious thing is you not being able to admit that someone might be able to do something you cannot.
come on i want to see you call borkbork a liar now too
coem on call us all liars. the ony hilarious thing is you not being able to admit that someone might be able to do something you cannot.
come on i want to see you call borkbork a liar now too
Mormegil
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Originally Posted by borkbork
- You can definitely hench the first part thunderhead keep. Getting to the defending keep part is so much easier with henchies, even with a "suicidal" king. I don't know what's so suicidal about him.. he's quite a good tank and can hold his own for quite a bit.
You do you realize he follows you, and its easy to keep him in the back for a couple second while the henchie tanks run foward. For the second part, form a ring around the king. It was harder back then without the henchies being infused completely. Now all you have to do is withstand the first wave of giants and its pretty much smooth sailing. |
salja Wachi
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Originally Posted by Mormegil
They're not fully infused, only 3 pieces, and take loads of dmg from mursaats.
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only thing hilarious here is you. give it up, notice how no one else has agreed with you that it is impossible?
Mormegil
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
only thing hilarious here is you. give it up, notice how no one else has agreed with you that it is impossible?
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borkbork
Since it was so damn easy to finish the first part of thunderhead with pre-patched henchies, even if they were "only infused with 3" now.. doesn't that make it easier?
infernal
First, I'd just like to say that while I'm nowhere near the "Suicidal King", my early experience with henchies leads me to beleive there's not a whole lot you can't do with them if you just manage them correctly. It still amazes me that peeps don't know the relationship between henchies and targetting.
But closer to the original thread, as a healing monk I'm fed up with rangers (main culprits) and casters who think they can tank. To keep them alive requires ALL of your energy (and even that isn't enough sometimes) and before battle is halfway through, you're tapped. "Sorry warriors, all my healing just went to the ranger. See you on the other side!".
It's a two-way street. We all hate monks that can't 'monk', and monks all hate players who can't play.
..and nary the twain shall meet!
But closer to the original thread, as a healing monk I'm fed up with rangers (main culprits) and casters who think they can tank. To keep them alive requires ALL of your energy (and even that isn't enough sometimes) and before battle is halfway through, you're tapped. "Sorry warriors, all my healing just went to the ranger. See you on the other side!".
It's a two-way street. We all hate monks that can't 'monk', and monks all hate players who can't play.
..and nary the twain shall meet!
Mormegil
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Originally Posted by borkbork
Since it was so damn easy to finish the first part of thunderhead with pre-patched henchies, even if they were "only infused with 3" now.. doesn't that make it easier?
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AeroLion
It's not misinformation. I did Thunderhead Keep earlier today with my Me/Mo with all henchmen. The only Mo spell I have is rebirth with 4 in Healing Prayers. Otherwise, I'm all domination with one inspiration spell. Clearing the fort is quite easy. Just take one group at a time, which is possible if you watch the patrols and, if you have to, back track to attack from an angle that keeps you from being hit from multiple groups.
Then, it's a fairly simple matter of camping the King. The groups come in with enough of a delay that you're usually not fighting on two fronts. The only problem is when a boss shows up. Usually it's Perfected Armor or a Mursaat Monk. For me, it was a Mursaat Ele who came with two Necros. That part is quite hard but with Lina and Mhenlo, you can do it. People will die here so you do need a way to at least bring Mhenlo or Lina back if they fall. After that it's cake.
Then, it's a fairly simple matter of camping the King. The groups come in with enough of a delay that you're usually not fighting on two fronts. The only problem is when a boss shows up. Usually it's Perfected Armor or a Mursaat Monk. For me, it was a Mursaat Ele who came with two Necros. That part is quite hard but with Lina and Mhenlo, you can do it. People will die here so you do need a way to at least bring Mhenlo or Lina back if they fall. After that it's cake.
Mormegil
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Originally Posted by AeroLion
It's not misinformation. I did Thunderhead Keep earlier today with my Me/Mo with all henchmen. The only Mo spell I have is rebirth with 4 in Healing Prayers. Otherwise, I'm all domination with one inspiration spell. Clearing the fort is quite easy. Just take one group at a time, which is possible if you watch the patrols and, if you have to, back track to attack from an angle that keeps you from being hit from multiple groups.
Then, it's a fairly simple matter of camping the King. The groups come in with enough of a delay that you're usually not fighting on two fronts. The only problem is when a boss shows up. Usually it's Perfected Armor or a Mursaat Monk. For me, it was a Mursaat Ele who came with two Necros. That part is quite hard but with Lina and Mhenlo, you can do it. People will die here so you do need a way to at least bring Mhenlo or Lina back if they fall. After that it's cake. |
salja Wachi
aero we are all liars you know? no way we can finish it with henchies because mormegil is way better than we will ever be and he cannot do it.
so all we do here is write lie after lie =D
so all we do here is write lie after lie =D
velgar
Erm, dosen't ranger armor provide the same ammount of armor as the warrior one? And, there's some skill that allow caster to tank as well if not better then warrior ( Armor of earth, mist form, ranger stance, etc) so it's not alway true that the non-warrior are draining all the monk energy.( But I do admit that an unprepare soft-target who rush first in the fight can be bad)
AeroLion
Yes, you can. I only had to rez once.
borkbork
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Originally Posted by Mormegil
The first part is not involved, you only fight Mursaats in the second part...
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The second part is holding the keep. What's so hard about forming a ring? The mobs don't come up the stairs since they're mostly ranged. Against the Mursaat, 3 pieces makes the mission much easier than before.
And I was Mesmer/Necro.
Well of Power ftw with putrid explosion.
Mormegil
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
aero we are all liars you know? no way we can finish it with henchies because mormegil is way better than we will ever be and he cannot do it.
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Besides, I said you cant do it if your not monk, primary or secondary. This guy is monk secondary, so why you're quoting him to flame me? Do you even read posts before replying?
Reading comprehension is your friend.
Mister Glue
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
as a matter of fact i have done thirsty and thunderhead with all henchies. thats right just me and henchies.
try it sometime, it takes skill. |
And to comment on the original message of this thread: Yes, there are a lack of monks in Ascension missions. Why not make your own monk then? Or get a few guildies to come and help you. It's amazing what friends can do
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salja Wachi
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Originally Posted by Mormegil
You really should stop posting things like this. You're making yourself look ridiculous. And use some punctuation please, will you? No one says im better than anyone, you're the only one who flamed telling me I "had to practice to get better".
Besides, I said you cant do it if your not monk, primary or secondary. This guys is monk secondary, so why you're quoting him to flame me? Do you even read posts before replying? Reading comprehension is your friend. |
you are correct reading comprehension is your friend. so try reading what he wrote.
and you are the one who called me a liar so who looks rediculous??
not me by a long shot