Lack of Monks in Ascension Missions

He's quoting me because I only had to use rez once in the entire mission. And I didn't even use it on Mhenlo or Lina. I used it Cynn because I needed her fire power to take down the Ele boss. Hell, I died once and Mhenlo brought be right back with Lina tossing on a Protective spirit.

The fact of the matter is my Mo secondary didn't help me at all. I could have done it with any secondary class. I'm sure others can as well.

People will die, and fast. I doubt you only had to rez once.

now you are calling him a liar as well.

you are truly an idiot.

Aww....get away from me, you greenish Troll.

so you call me a lair cause i can do something that you cannot. you are proven wrong, you make fun of my grammer, then call me a troll.


you have serious issues dude. do us all a favor and leave

Everything I've said is the truth. I've explained what my strategy was. If you don't want to believe me then fine. I know it's possible and I see no reason to disbelieve others who say they've done it, especially if they put out what their tactics were.

Don't you think you should chill out and stop making personal attacks? Get over it already.

Want the crazy solution.....Make a monk....

I had an Ele, not enought monks at end game, I made a monk spent 2 weeks helping people through missions for free...people said necro sucks, made a hellishly effective necro. After continue monking I hated warriors that are dumb, so I am now playing through the game as a warrior trying to thwart stupidity.

Simple solution if you find something lacking fill the spot yourself or dont' bitch.

While I agree it CAN be done with henchies Salja you are acting like a child stop bickering and just accept that someone has a differing opinion. It isnt easy but every mission can be done with henchies if you are a monk primary or secondary. All you have to do is lead the henchies in let them kill as many critters as possible and rebirth them over nad over even at a 60% DP they can take one monster out. Granted this takes a long time but even Ring of Fire and Abbadons mouth can be beaten with henchies. (Granted These Last 2 missions are laughable and seriously too easy for an endgame)

I'm not sure if the above strategy works or not. It would seem that henchies, or anyone for that matter with 60% DPs, would find it hard to kill much of anything.

That being said, while salja might be acting childish, it is in response to being called a liar, especially when other people have backed up the story. Proving something impossible is virtually impossible. In this case, where several people have done the mission with just henchmen, I think Mormegil might have to learn to accept the fact that he might just be wrong. Being wrong is okay. Denying it is not.

In response to the OP, alesia and lina are enough for every mission in the game. However, there will be times when henchmen stand in poison or lava and don't know how to get out. It just depends on your luck whether they get out or not.

did you read all the posts???

he flat out called me a liar for saying it can be done with henchies. i take exception to that.

lets see, you calling me a LIAR, telling me to fix my grammar, and calling me a troll are not personal attcacks??

are you mentally ill?

No, I'm firmly convinced it's impossible. Of course I'd be happy to be wrong if thats the case, since doing the mission with henchies would save time.

Also, on some missions when you target a boss, the tank henchies get caught up on the enemies and can't get to the boss so they just stand there and take damage.

I played my monk until he finished the game. Now I just use him to hunt elites and run FoW or UW. Yesterday I did Hell's Precipe with a group to get Aura of Faith. As always, when I go elite hunting, I stick with the group as they are the ones who really got me the skill. It was the warriors who kept rushing in and aggroing everything, and they were the first to disconnect.

So I can understand the position of the dude who said Alesia is better than most healing monks. He's obviously had some problems with monk players. At the same time, the problems I've had with Warriors leads me to love a group with Little Thom and Stefan.

you have no less than 4 other people here telling you that you are wrong.

how many more is it going to take???

Then, perhaps the more accurate statement would be that you find the mission impossible to do with henchmen alone. Or, that it is impossible for you to complete the mission with henchmen alone. Or, maybe, it's just "highly unlikely" to complete the mission consistently with just henchmen.

You should really try not to accuse other people of lying without actual proof. I can see how that would really piss some people off, and it's just not worth it on these forums.

Are you done making silly personal attacks? People just remarked you're acting like a child. Please stop and stay on topic. You really don't need to get furious in a videogame's forum.

y the hell do people ever care wut otehrs say, yes salja and mormelgi, im talkin about you two, if u don't like what some one says then just leave the thread, don't start fightin and whining like little kids

I said I find the mission impossible to do with henchmen alone and never knew anyone completing it not being a primary or secondary monk. I'm firmly convinced of that. Saying "hey , I did it, you suck" and not backing up reasons or the strategy that allowed you to complete that particular mission will probably depict you as someone who just wants to brag about it.

I'm not even asking salja his strategy because I'm pretty sure there wasn't any.

once again you are the only one here who has made personal attacks.

called me a liar, made fun of my grammar, and called me a troll.

does not get much more personal than that does it??

why are you acting like you ahve not done anything? are you afraid to say you are wrong? are you afraid to apologize for calling me a liar??

Yawn. Apparently, he'll never stop.

Salja, welcome to Ignoreland. Population: you.

/leaves kindergarten

I already told you my strategy. stay up top by the kind and you will win. the mobs only come 2-3 at a time (as i started previously, must be a reading comprehension problem you have) it i snot hard to beat 2-3 at a time. just takes patience and skill.

so like i told you before go practice some more and you might be able to do it

nope i will not stop you attacked my intergity, you ahve been proven wrong and still will not apologize or admit it.

you have no reason to leave kindergarden that is exactly where you belong

OMG you two are like children with your non stop bickering. just drop it and move on already. Both of you are completely off topic anyways. I'm getting frustrated just reading your replies!

I did it with a W/E and henchies. No rezzing from me. I'm getting close to the mission with my R/N. This just makes me want to try it again, such ego...

Well i've failed Thunderhead keep like 7 times now, but i must admit i'm sure it is possible with henchies [if not easier]. I'm not even sure those catapults are so useful anyway...the mobs you REALLY want to hit with it [jades/mursaat/bosses] comes past so fast you miss them anyway, might as well wait for them on the stairs.

Now haven't tried with hench yet, but will soon, i am a monk afterall. I have found the 7 failures were based on

1. Team splitting up at the two gates and not killing the mobs fast enough at each gate, resulting in a sudden overwhelming moment when 1-2 mobs break through and go straight for the King...when they reach the King it's usually mission over.

2. Wrong people manning the catapults and/or not actually doing much while manning it [i.e. they could've done more being "on-the-floor" ]. Elems work best on there, but they are dependent on having the mobs being "blocked" at the gates...still an issue of being split up if you man both catapults.

3. Me, the silly monk having to run all over the courtyard healing, because the team will get more and more seperated [often some just runs out the gate to "nip the boss in the butt"..resulting in their inevitable death out of my rez-range].

Conclusion? Standing together at a "choke point" will not only solve my healing problem but will result in "focussed" damage [i.e. 2 elems dropping all their "Warez" on a single group of mobs].

Conclusion2? Since hench can not seperate , this will essentially HAVE to be your tactic, which might actually be the easiest one to begin with :P

Get thee a couple trappers and set them to play at the gates. Enjoy.

Just to be back on topic, as for lack of monks. I played my Elem and Mesmer through to Droknars and then made a Monk and also now sitting at Thunderhead.

I must admit it gets real boring having all those spells and being forced to use a certain set of healing spells over and over. Everytime i swopped my stuff i had to make special room for those spells. I couldn't even go wild with my attribs and had to keep points in healing prayers. Only time where i got away with putting all my points in BeastMastery and Wilderness Survival was with my hench :P [ranger secondary]. People even seem nervous when they notice a pet with me when they literally begged me to join their group [to heal of course] :P

Then i'm not even mentioning the amount of concentration and "twitchy fingers" it requires to keep up. I remember quite clearly playing my Elem, i could sit with my coffee, throw meteor, sip more coffee, throw a firestorm...click somewhere to run after some warrior. Playing Monk i actually learned to cast spells purely with quick-keys [you simply can not click red-bar, click spell, click-red bar, you have to click, "press 1", click "press 1,2" etc. And this all in PvE.

Then there's the silly necros which not only try to tank, but they are sacrificing huge amounts of hp , so fast that i can't even get "Divine Intervention" on them before they die.

Quite often pressing "1,2,3" [Orison,Word,Reversal] in extreme succession is not enough to save people...i just had HP bars that go from full to half to near death in 3 hits...see you even start calling people by the way their health bar moves ["oh that must be the warrior his bar seems to be going down slowly, AHA, that's the elem look at that if i don't cast now while his HP is 70% he's gonna be dead"]

Now imagine having to do all this for 1+ hours straight nonstop, constantly clicking on SIX and then EIGHT players. I actually get headaches everytime we fight mobs which do area damage when the ENTIRE team takes damage and i have to decide who is more worth saving...

Trust me not even my mesmer requires so much concentration to play PvE :P

The thing about monks is that they don't hang around at missions. They show up, grab a team, beat the mission, and move on. In the worst case they get a useless team and have to do the mission a second time with a team of henchmen (Thirsty River, Ring of Fire, and Abaddon's Mouth are the only missions in the game that can't be easily done by a monk with a team of henchmen).

The solution is simple: find a buddy. I went with a guild mate but any friend will do. Your monk teams with his non-monks and his monk teams with yours. If one is a monk, then two capable humans are sufficient to beat any mission in the game.

I played a Ranger/Necro and was able to beat pre-patch Thunderhead Keep several times with henchmen. My skills bar did not include any healing or necro skills. I used Edge of Extinction, and pet and bow attacks that focused on disruption.

I found the henchmen to be better at focusing fire - once the first monster was down the EoE spirit started the domino effect.

I did not cross the first bridge with the King – I found him to be suicidal as well – I took the long way around and killed every monster I came across. I pulled as best I could and took little bites at a time. I sniped as many rampart monsters as I could before allowing the King to open the gate.

At the final battle, I mostly took a position in the center of the fort and ran back and forth – I did have to chase down a few loose monsters as they approached the King.

I did take me more than a few tries to get a workable “system” down with henchies – but I got tired of the needless “aggroing” and uncooperativeness of many PUGs. Lucky, perhaps (several times) – but it can be done.

I play Monk and I am not elite I am just an average player.I am at Thirsty River waiting patiently do my asention and mirror image.I just don't want to get stuck with a bad group like I usually do and I ask for 2 Monk not myself and everyone treated a Monk with respect instead of saying heal me Monk and they would use the right skills a Necro useing minions is not a wise choice or even bone horrors if he died they would turn against you as in other quests that happened to me I would use like well of blood would be nice to prevent the dead to be reserrected if it that can be done and two Rangers who go in a tank are they Warriors.There was only one Warrior.

monks get the most verbal abuse

I have 2 accounts and have done all missions with all 6 classes
- I saw 1st hand that monks are underappreciated the most

before you bitch about monks,
go play one

Just wait until you get to the Underworld. Bladed Aatxes can kill casters in two hits and tanks in three. Once you get to some of the harder areas, you start to see how much a Protection Monk can help a team. Protective Spirit and Reversal of Fortune will keep someone alive for a very long time. Aegis, Ward Against Melee, and Guardian will stop physical damage from killing your group. Caster mobs hit so slowly that Reversal of Fortune and Protective Spirit are all you need. I don't even really see the need for a plain Healing Monk in the later stages. A Boon Healer and a Protection Monk will get you through everything in the game, although a Mo/E Heal/DF/Earth or Mo/X Heal/DF/Prot will give you an extra bit of safety.

I started a monk char and liked it. I will stop by a mission once and got hundreds of invites it was pretty nice.

You don't need monks =_=

you need ppl with brain who can work as a team.

Erm, are you even a human or just a trollbot making random statements out of your ass?

I do not see any form of personal attack in:

You are the one acting like a child here.. perhaps you are not young in age, you might counter.. then you are probably too old and getting senile

Cya, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!

Bleigh, just a kiddish moniker of an Simpsons episode. Speaks load for your point of view though

I tried to read anything worthwhile in this thread but all I see is two 5 year olds fighting with each other.

Sad too, there WAS a good point to this thread, I think.

Traditionally I play warrior characters, preferably fast and hard-hitting types that work well for ninja'ing spellcasters(no hammers though, can't stand that slow speed(yes, I know, hammers are GREAT for knocking down spellcasters, I'm just weird like that)), but I'm used to standing in as a standard tank, beating the hell out of whatever really needs beating at the moment.

Anyways though, my second character I decided to make a monk- standard divine healer type, with mesmer inspiration for energy regens. He's now at Droknar's, and with a good group honestly I think he's at least as much if not more fun than my warrior. True, a couple idiots can make for a heartbreaking experience, but at least as a character in such high demand I have a lot more flexibility in terms of staying with my current group or looking for something better. Warriors busy practicing their Leeroy moves? Time to move on. Necros determined to use me as their own personal health battery? You get one warning, after that my efforts are going to someone that deserves healing, not your sorry dumb ass.

But if you're smart, and a good group, I am going to do my everliving damn best to keep you alive and healthy, and resurrect you as soon as the situation allows it if I can't save you. It's no coincidence that my best Fissure runs have been with my monk, one of them while he was still only level 17(gained 2 levels down there, heh)! As a monk, I have the luxury of choosing what sort of group I join and keep. My warrior, great and fun as he is, doesn't have that advantage, and so it's no coincidence either that my worst UW runs involved him and groups that I couldn't really shake because it's a lot harder to find a group that needs (another) tank. Just ask me to tell the story of the group that used Vengeance AFTER the battle was over. It's a real bonafide modern classic tale about a group that didn't know its head from its ass, and got them both torn apart. And at the time, that was the best group my warrior could get. In the time it took for that group to suffer its gruesome fate, my monk could have found 4 or 5 groups in need of a healer. And odds are, at least one or two of them would have been competant.

cool i didnt realize it was elemental dmg...did you also realize that you can just stand up on the slope by the door for the last 4 or so minutes while the worms attack so you cant even get hit(given you have defeated all inc mobs. Which seems to happen fairly early).

ah i see he is trying to weasel his way out now..