Nerfs not mentioned in updates?

Evan montegarde

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

14 Jul 2005 at 15:33 - 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by Van the Warrior
posting this it is off my second griffon run today along with it i also looted a non max damage gold axe 4-26 with a 10/6 furious haft which i succesfully salvaged
Once again, only W/Mos can farm that area. 80% of the rest of GW characters=screwed.

I have no problem with W/Mos being able to farm griffons if, say, I could still farm giants (I'm a R/E or R/Mo) and get decent drops. Sand Giants are a challenege to kill but I can do it efficiently enough. The first time I did so, I got like 5 purple max damage hammers. That may be a little much, but if I ever try now I usually get only 1 drop from 4 giants, and it's usually 90 gold or so.

Photeus

Academy Page

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The Akkadians (AkX)

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14 Jul 2005 at 15:34 - 42
I'd just like to note, I hate the run to Droknars through Lornars and Snake Dance with a passion. I do not hate it because the area is hard or anything like that. I hate it because it gives people a chance to simply skip ahead in the game. Especially the point that the whole area can be exploited for cash from other people in the game. Yeah, it's not necessarily an exploit because people are paying for a service rendered...but that service rendered is done by a single character. It's the same concept as farming, and yet it's not been nerfed in the same way that farming has. And, in addition...I hate the people that brag that they got to Droknar's when they were level 15. I don't care, nor does anyone else.

And as far as farming now goes: I tried Charr areas, the Lightning Drakes (Gates), and Griffons outside of Augury.

Now, I go kinda slow...no running ahead skills, just nuking everything in my path. I was able to pull 500 gold in the charr run, 1,000 on the drakes, and 1000 gold + good items on the Griffons. My runs are pretty slow, 15-20 minutes. However, in two days I went from roughly 2k to 17k. I only did a few runs and sold a few of the better spoils. And I also find it helps if you keep switching areas. Yeah, the Charr run doesn't get you much...but it's really easy. Even Gates is terribly easy. If my solo build wasn't so enchantment reliant, I'd even crash the party at Riverside. I'm just trying to make the point that you can still get your Superior Vigor. Just create a solid solo build, go into areas where you kill things managable for your build, and cycle the areas. I think that's the best way to help. And maximize your efforts whenever you can, salvage whatever you can to make the best of every run.

Myself...I have the goal to save up to 100k...no real purpose for it...just that I've never had that much before.

PieXags, in my previous post if anything I said sounded insulting, I really didn't mean it that way, and I hope you didn't take any of it that way. I was just wanting to offer some constructive critisim, and I respect your post.

And if you get really bored...don't drive south. Missouri sucks.

EmperorTippy

EmperorTippy

Jungle Guide

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14 Jul 2005 at 15:36 - 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Van the Warrior
posting this it is off my second griffon run today along with it i also looted a non max damage gold axe 4-26 with a 10/6 furious haft which i succesfully salvaged
I don't have a character who can solo the griffins so I have been going off of others posts about their nerf. If this info is incorrect please correct me but I would like more than 1 source if possible.

Photeus

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Akkadians (AkX)

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14 Jul 2005 at 15:37 - 44
Which Griffons are you talking?

Desert and Frost Griffons I can solo with a Smiting Ele/Monk I use to farm.

They are actually some of the easiest things to farm, in my opinion.

Edit: By the way, I consistently get 1 drop from every creature. Everything was dropping for me today.

Van the Warrior

Van the Warrior

Krytan Explorer

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In Yak's Bend like always...

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14 Jul 2005 at 15:37 - 45
im gonna continue farming ill post what i find with x amount of runs

run 1 since post

Evan montegarde

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

14 Jul 2005 at 15:40 - 46
The biggest flaw in Guild Wars as I see it is the "The game is skill based, not equipment" banner it tries to carry around. It's arguably harder for a lone necromancer to kill anything by himself (depending on secondary class) and get decent loot, but any W/Mo can go kill high level monsters easily and get lots of stuff. If it takes more skill for a necro to kill things by himself, why does he get crappy drops?

drizzt134

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Children of the Underdark

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14 Jul 2005 at 15:40 - 47
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Originally Posted by Photeus
Ok...I'd just like to say...what nerf?

The things I was soloing yesterday are still giving the same loot today. I averaged the same ammount from my usual run. I also took in two purples and one gold. Typical of my run...now if you mean farming as in the same area over and over...I rarely do that anymore...typically I'll just shift from one area to another.
I totally agree.. I stil make 2-3k for high level money runs if im short... I think u have 1 gazillion platinums in your account, thats' why u dont get any drops...

Galatea

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The Drifters [DRFT]

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14 Jul 2005 at 15:42 - 48
Yeah, I'm not against farming either. Even though it can get kind of boring/repetitive, it gives you something to do when you have a few moments to spare -- why not make a couple extra gold in-game? Plus, I really do get a kick out of watching a group of monsters fall to their deaths at the same time.. makes my character feel strong, even if others are able to do the same thing.

The only problem is that, because of botters and those selling the gold in real life and profitting, is what has led ArenaNet to deal with this. I honestly think that if the bots and gold-selling online never occured, then majority of these nerfs to farming wouldn't have happened.

Because in this game (with the exception of the botters), farming really doesn't hurt that many people, if any at all. In other games, such as in FFXI, I can understand why farming may be frowned upon -- first, that game also has a problem with currency being sold online that ruins the economy, and second, because players all mingle in the same map, people who farm generally train/link a whole group of monsters and kill them at once, leaving the low-level characters with nothing to kill and level off of.... but since GW has its own personal maps, you killing a bunch of monsters doesn't affect other players.

Damon Windwalker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Wandering Gits

14 Jul 2005 at 15:49 - 49
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Originally Posted by PieXags
That's why we want farming back, not because we want to be 1337 h4x0r5 but because without it the game is empty and finished, with no hopes of reaching the final goals otherwise there's no point to continue without it.
I haven't gotten all of my characters done yet - but you have just hit on exactly the point 've been trying to make. When the quests are done, the world is explored, and there's no more armor to (realistically) be had - what is the point?

Damon Windwalker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Wandering Gits

14 Jul 2005 at 15:52 - 50
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Originally Posted by Galatea

The only problem is that, because of botters and those selling the gold in real life and profitting, is what has led ArenaNet to deal with this. I honestly think that if the bots and gold-selling online never occured, then majority of these nerfs to farming wouldn't have happened.
If that is the issue, then there has to be a better way to solve the problem than to stagnate the economy. By reducing drops, gold drops, and sales prices, the only thing that is happening is increasing reliance on "illegal" trading. All that will happen is that it will become more expensive to mine/farm for the pros, which mean they will charge more - but the demand will still be there....

Evan montegarde

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

14 Jul 2005 at 15:54 - 51
That is a big problem, unfortunantly.

As it stands, it is MUCH easier to go out and earn $10 in real life, then go buy 100k off ebay for your GW character.

I would never pay real money for game money, but there are people who do. This really effs up the economy, and Anet has tried to respond by reducing the number of items, gold, etc in the game for EVERYONE-Even us honest players who just want some cool armor or a nice weapon.

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

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So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

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14 Jul 2005 at 15:55 - 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damon Windwalker
I haven't gotten all of my characters done yet - but you have just hit on exactly the point 've been trying to make. When the quests are done, the world is explored, and there's no more armor to (realistically) be had - what is the point?
How about the free expansion being released soon? New areas, tougher bad guys...

silvertemplar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Me/N

14 Jul 2005 at 15:55 - 53
Just a quick question:

What level are you guys when you go to places like Kryta and Nolani? I mean i would never expect to get stuff as a lvl 20 in Nolani killing lvl 7 mobs....same with Kryta and the lvl 10-13 mobs?

I cant say much for the higher level places though, but surely there must be some "player-level vs. mob-level" dependency? Some people say they get good drops, other say they don't, maybe the one is lvl 19 and the other one is lvl 20 [lets assume skill point levels also start to count somewhere]...just wondering.

PieXags

PieXags

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14 Jul 2005 at 15:57 - 54
Damnit so you're telling me the one place you can still effectively farm is a certain area of griffons? Those things I can't even KILL effectively with any of my characters because ALL of them are lacking a partial monk half?

Well the good knews is I did go and explore and I found one...particularly profitable little chest run way off in the middle of nowhere, only problem is it takes a few minutes just to run to the spot. Of course soon enough this will be nerfed because everyone will think I'm a "bot" and that I'm "exploiting"...pfft.

And...I don't know how the hell you managed to get so much money ANYWHERE in Kryta, I took my R/E through the gates, giants basin, the swamps, everywhere, killed enemies in groups of 15/20...and got maybe one or two drops in each group, all of them crap. Does God just not like PieXags?

That can't be it, otherwise my petition that I started in the sanitarium wouldn't have nearly as many people signing it, that thread in itself should show people what many people want.

In the meantime...anyone know any free games that are out there ifin' I ever get bored of this?

Evan montegarde

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

14 Jul 2005 at 15:57 - 55
I don't know about that. I kill level 20-24 monsters if I go solo, get crappy drops or none at all.

PieXags

PieXags

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14 Jul 2005 at 15:58 - 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by MSecorsky
How about the free expansion being released soon? New areas, tougher bad guys...
Oh, you mean those new zones we'll all run through twice and then treat as every other zone in the game, right before they nerf every drop in them too? (Yeah I know I'm just being a smartass now, but I couldn't resist.)


*Edit* Oh, and to respond to something Photeus said about not wanting to offend me. Don't worry about that mate, I haven't been offended so long as I've been a member of these boards. I might act like I'm peeved or even like an asshole at times, but it's all in good fun. While I'm posting this I'm running through every area I can in GuildWars searching for new unfound loot spots, this doesn't mean THAT big of a deal to me.

silvertemplar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Me/N

14 Jul 2005 at 16:00 - 57
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In the meantime...anyone know any free games that are out there ifin' I ever get bored of this?
Try Anarchy Online, it's farming heaven [and free]. Heck the terms "kiter" and "blitzer" is literally being used to describe certain classes :P Boring as hell for me anyway, but i'm sure those that like farming will enjoy that.

Talesin Darkbriar

Talesin Darkbriar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

California - irrigated desert...

The Myrmidon

E/N

14 Jul 2005 at 16:05 - 58
Heyas Pie and crew;

This is a mirror image of the same situation I encountered in EQ2.
The developers are trying to prevent unscrupulous people from making a huge amount of coin or loot and then running over to the nearest 3rd party site to exchange for real world money.

It's common, it's consistent, and most of these buttheads were here.
The problem is, in ratcheting down the economy, they completely render the rest of us impoverished in the process.

Like Pie, I was lucky enough to get in while the drops, etc. were unmodified and make a substantial amount of coin - which I then spent on my 15k armor and dyes.

I haven't had more than 10k in the bank since.

My solution would be:
If the economy has been radically modified in order to prevent the professional farmers from earning a living, reduce the costs associated with higher end items (armor for instance) so that normal players can attain these items with a normal amount of effort.

It shouldn't be something you have to go to a 3rd party site to acquire the funds to get!

Regards,

Talesin

Evan montegarde

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

14 Jul 2005 at 16:05 - 59
The best example of a game with a mostly balanced economy, that although is still a terrible game, is Runescape. Runescape's economy is run by the elite with all the rare items, like GW. However, it's still possible for anyone who dedicates enough time to get enough money for the best armor, the best weapons, etc. Drops in RS have never changed, they've always been the same and the economy functions fine.

Van the Warrior

Van the Warrior

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In Yak's Bend like always...

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14 Jul 2005 at 16:06 - 60
im gonna continue farming ill post what i find with x amount of runs

run 1 since post

run 2

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

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So Cal

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14 Jul 2005 at 16:07 - 61
Let me know if you find a decent bow...

Evan montegarde

Frost Gate Guardian

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14 Jul 2005 at 16:08 - 62
See, I have no problem with anyone earning lots of gold items like the above as long I can earn the same with a different class. As it stands it's W/Mo if you want lots of items. Good luck with anything else.

silvertemplar

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Me/N

14 Jul 2005 at 16:11 - 63
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im gonna continue farming ill post what i find with x amount of runs
It be cool if you can identify the items :P

Billiard

Billiard

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14 Jul 2005 at 16:12 - 64
I wish ANet would say they are banning botters or whatever. I mean its hard to farm stuff now and if botters are still getting away with it I would really be pissed off.

NiGht_HaWk

NiGht_HaWk

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Gabriels Crusaders

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14 Jul 2005 at 16:15 - 65
They have. This is from the Guild Wars Site.

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Bots Banned 24 June 2005

Due to continued and flagrant violation of the Guild Wars EULA and Rules of Conduct, we closed more than 100 Guild Wars accounts today. These accounts were actively involved in the use of "bot" programs. We will continue to monitor this situation and will take further action if the need arises.

PieXags

PieXags

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14 Jul 2005 at 16:19 - 66
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evan montegarde
See, I have no problem with anyone earning lots of gold items like the above as long I can earn the same with a different class. As it stands it's W/Mo if you want lots of items. Good luck with anything else.
I'm all for this, seems like the griffons are the only things left in the game really that drop decent stuff (assuming he's not bullshittin' us with old screenshots).

But unless you're some sort of monk you won't have a chance there, I just brought my R/E over there for a try that doesn't have a problem with really anything else, and needless to say I didn't do all that great.

Then again I don't see why I'm all that concerned, give it a week and the griffons will be "smited" off the top 10 farming spot list forever, just like every other zone in the game.

capitalist

capitalist

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Join Date: Jun 2005

14 Jul 2005 at 16:19 - 67
I would like to point out the actual price of FoW Warrior armor at this point:
75K base
120 Ecto X ~10K = 1200K
120 Shards X 3.5K = 420K

Roughly 1.7 million gold for a full set at this point (my buddy sold an ecto to the trader for 10K yesterday and I heard the trader was selling them as high as 17K)

I realize that this maybe out of reach at this point, even with more than 500K in the vault. I am just waiting for Anet to add a collector that trades demonic remains or dark remains or umbreal skeleton limb or gruesome ribcages for ecto/shards. It will happen, just like the fur square collector.

Vorlin

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

14 Jul 2005 at 16:22 - 68
ANet needs to realize something: if they balance the game around farmers then anyone who doesn't farm is left out in the cold. And since most people don't farm, they'll find they've alienated the majority of their customers.

ANet should take a lesson from EverQuest. EQ was a fun game the first few months, then Verant got obsessed with 'balancing' the game based on the playing styles of the most extreme players. The result was an endless series of nerfs that drove a huge portion of their playerbase away. Eventually (after about a year) Verant realized they'd messed up and undid a lot of the worst changes they'd implmented, but by then many people had moved on (I had) and never looked back.

I have no problem with ANet getting rid of exploits. But when they start deciding that they have to lessen the ingame rewards based on the fact that -some- people play huge number of hours using a really intense style of gaming, that's not right. Hopefully they'll realize in time that the largest percentage of their playerbase is (by definition) -average- players, and that the game has to be balanced around them to be succesful in the long run.

Van the Warrior

Van the Warrior

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In Yak's Bend like always...

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14 Jul 2005 at 16:23 - 69
im gonna continue farming ill post what i find with x amount of runs

run 1 since post

run 2

run 3

all weapons are still UNID'ed

Evan montegarde

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

14 Jul 2005 at 16:23 - 70
Yet, killing 16 sand giants yields maybe 500g max, usually less. Wtfmate.

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

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So Cal

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14 Jul 2005 at 16:28 - 71
Hey Van... can you spare that bow? (j/k)

Wish I could find something like that... sigh...

Volarian

Krytan Explorer

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14 Jul 2005 at 16:36 - 72
heaven forbid if players have a challenge.


I'd suggest ANet make UW/FoW more difficult and upgrade the drops there accordingly. Yeah I know people would be farming there (psst, they already are) it's just not as pathetic as seeing lvl 20's filling up DC, GOK and lower level places like we have recently.
At least in UW/FoW it takes a team and based on that the drops SHOULD be a lil better than they are now......and they should hurry up and add another or three areas similar to Fow/UW.

Van the Warrior

Van the Warrior

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14 Jul 2005 at 16:38 - 73
im gonna continue farming ill post what i find with x amount of runs

run 1 since post

run 2

run 3

run 4

all weapons are still UNID'ed
and my point is that GRIFFONS ARE NOT NERFED SOME PEOPLE JUST HAVE
/\/0013 LUCK

Artemis Entreri

Ascalonian Squire

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N/Mo

14 Jul 2005 at 16:44 - 74
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and my point is that GRIFFONS ARE NOT NERFED SOME PEOPLE JUST HAVE
/\/0013 LUCK
But you NEED to be a W/MO or MO/W.

Pretty soon EVERYONE will be a W/MO

Sam Katha

Sam Katha

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Canada

Furniture Liberation Army

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14 Jul 2005 at 16:54 - 75
Nerf,
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

capitalist

capitalist

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14 Jul 2005 at 16:59 - 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis Entreri
But you NEED to be a W/MO or MO/W.

Pretty soon EVERYONE will be a W/MO
That is a ridiculous statement (no flame intended). Not everyone farms. The people that do will be W/Mo or Mo/W. These same people will probably have a primary character that they enjoy playing, and created a pure farming character.

Van the Warrior

Van the Warrior

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14 Jul 2005 at 17:01 - 77
im gonna continue farming ill post what i find with x amount of runs

run 5

run 6

all weapons are still UNID'ed to prove these were looted today off these griffons

6 consecutive runs 6 consecutive gold items nothing has been nerfed the only thing people should complain about is their own luck

provoko

provoko

Frost Gate Guardian

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R/Me

14 Jul 2005 at 17:22 - 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by Van the Warrior
6 consecutive runs 6 consecutive gold items nothing has been nerfed the only thing people should complain about is their own luck
Quit bragging before you get that area nerfed. Haha. Theres already a 7 page post on that, which I'm surprised anet didn't nerf it when everyone has known about that area for a few weeks now.

Looks like anet is slow on nerfing areas, so they'll most likely nerf griffens soon.

IT'S GOT TO STOP! Anet is really screwing up RPG, they gotta decied what RPG mode is for and why people should do it. Without rewards, theres no point, even for new comers.

TheMarvin

TheMarvin

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14 Jul 2005 at 17:34 - 79
I still want to know why Nerfication for the casual player continues, while hoards of bots are permitted to run rampant at Ember Light Camp. As always seems to be the case, the gamers that play for the sake of -gaming- get ganked faster than Prince Rurik during the cinematic at Hell's Precipice, while the serious scammers continue to profit.

Slimcea

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14 Jul 2005 at 17:43 - 80
I'd like to know how the hell you manage to get 6 near-max golds on 6 consecutive runs.. Either I have the shittiest luck or it seems for me that I get a blue once per run, a purple once every 2 to 3, and a gold every 5 to 6... And a max gold about every 3 to 4 golds or so.

Some people really have incredible luck