UW Solo Mo/W Build and Tutorial
Beoulve
I hate you.
Lynnrose
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Originally Posted by Beoulve
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I hate you. Even at those ungodly inflated prices, however, a couple hours worth of runs pays for the start-up costs of new armor and superior runes. I even made a protection hat that I will get infused and use during the end-game sometimes. That's money doubly well spent. It is funny how the monk superior rune market was driven up almost overnight, though.
I hate you. Even at those ungodly inflated prices, however, a couple hours worth of runs pays for the start-up costs of new armor and superior runes. I even made a protection hat that I will get infused and use during the end-game sometimes. That's money doubly well spent. It is funny how the monk superior rune market was driven up almost overnight, though.
capitalist
Lol, it is about time superior runes had some worth. And the 30K that has to be spent on start up start up is really nothing with this game's economy.
And please stop complaining about it get "nerfed," UW has sucked for quite some time now (for farming purposes) which is what led to this build seemingly becoming popular. If more that 1 ecto dropped every 3 rounds, I might want to continue with my original 5 man group.
And please stop complaining about it get "nerfed," UW has sucked for quite some time now (for farming purposes) which is what led to this build seemingly becoming popular. If more that 1 ecto dropped every 3 rounds, I might want to continue with my original 5 man group.
Age
How can you nerf a Monk/Warrior? build it is no premade?
ChildrenOfBodom
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Originally Posted by jelly samwich
Hi!
Balthazars Spirit = +1 Energy/Hit
Essence Bond = +1 Energy/Hit
Protection Bond = -1 Energy/Hit
Total = +1 Energy/Hit
These three skills are the core of this build. With them on your damage is reduced and you have a fair supply of mana from the numerous hits you take.
Imho the secondary class isn't that important, warriors worked best for me so far. Anyone using any other classes with these enchantments? It seems to me a template would be something like this:
[Healing Spell]
[Damage Dealing Spell / Blessed Signet]
[Damage Dealing Spell]
[Damage Dealing Spell]
[Interrupt Protection Spell]
[Balthazars Spirit]
[Essence Bond]
[Protection Bond]
Are you using blessed signet or zealots fire while fighting them? It seemed that these two spells would induce them to cast dazed on me.
I replaced blessed signet with orison of healing and zealots with symbal of wrath... and they still do it and I always die by it, first time I did UW I got passed them and cleared out the entire smite area with no problems, I wish I can do that again but its so frustrating I've wasted 8K dying by those grasping darnesses...
Balthazars Spirit = +1 Energy/Hit
Essence Bond = +1 Energy/Hit
Protection Bond = -1 Energy/Hit
Total = +1 Energy/Hit
These three skills are the core of this build. With them on your damage is reduced and you have a fair supply of mana from the numerous hits you take.
Imho the secondary class isn't that important, warriors worked best for me so far. Anyone using any other classes with these enchantments? It seems to me a template would be something like this:
[Healing Spell]
[Damage Dealing Spell / Blessed Signet]
[Damage Dealing Spell]
[Damage Dealing Spell]
[Interrupt Protection Spell]
[Balthazars Spirit]
[Essence Bond]
[Protection Bond]
Are you using blessed signet or zealots fire while fighting them? It seemed that these two spells would induce them to cast dazed on me.
I replaced blessed signet with orison of healing and zealots with symbal of wrath... and they still do it and I always die by it, first time I did UW I got passed them and cleared out the entire smite area with no problems, I wish I can do that again but its so frustrating I've wasted 8K dying by those grasping darnesses...
miteethor
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Originally Posted by ChildrenOfBodom
I replaced blessed signet with orison of healing and zealots with symbal of wrath... and they still do it and I always die by it, first time I did UW I got passed them and cleared out the entire smite area with no problems, I wish I can do that again but its so frustrating I've wasted 8K dying by those grasping darnesses...
Symbol of Wrath is too slow - Ataxes, Grasping Darkness, and Coldfires all interrupt. You will never get a symbol off in time. Bonetti's Defense is the key to beating the Grasping Darknesses - it fills up faster than they can drain. Also a Divine Boon heal is technically more expensive, but it will heal the full 105hp every time and only takes 1/4 second which can beat interrupts 90% of the time, even in a Malestrom.
Symbol of Wrath is too slow - Ataxes, Grasping Darkness, and Coldfires all interrupt. You will never get a symbol off in time. Bonetti's Defense is the key to beating the Grasping Darknesses - it fills up faster than they can drain. Also a Divine Boon heal is technically more expensive, but it will heal the full 105hp every time and only takes 1/4 second which can beat interrupts 90% of the time, even in a Malestrom.
jelly samwich
imho divine boon isn't worth the extra expense.. at least for my style of play.. it costs 5 energy + 2 energy if you already have it on. it is appropriate in some situations where its casting time comes into play.. i've also found blessed signet isn't necessary with bonettis equipped
Eadwyn Mirwen
The grasping are very annoying indeed. Once dazed, you are most probably dead. You might try to run away until daze is gone. Never tried that.
Eadwyn Mirwen
I took the time to create a small video. The quality is pretty low for keeping the file small and it is not cut professionaly (too lazy to do). But you should be able to get the idea on how I use to fight four monster types down there after the great information I read here like 4 days ago.
Btw: my skill timing in the video is sometimes not very good because of the lag the video cap program created.
Have fun.
http://tekvorian.kewlhost.de/gw/uw1.rar (nearly 46 mb rar packed)
Yours,
Eadwyn
Btw: my skill timing in the video is sometimes not very good because of the lag the video cap program created.
Have fun.
http://tekvorian.kewlhost.de/gw/uw1.rar (nearly 46 mb rar packed)
Yours,
Eadwyn
Zackile Greenbirth
very impressive
i have a lvl12 Mo/Me at mo in desert....would be lvl20 in droknars if anyone took me into a decent team
after watching the video i believe that when i get the chance i will change from mesmer to warrior and try this build out in lower lvled areas first (like on etties)
from reading this it has come aware to me that you you can't use this build on selfhealers, mesmers and necros....is this true
PS i know the song in the video is Disturbed......but what song? is it Prayer?
i have a lvl12 Mo/Me at mo in desert....would be lvl20 in droknars if anyone took me into a decent team
after watching the video i believe that when i get the chance i will change from mesmer to warrior and try this build out in lower lvled areas first (like on etties)
from reading this it has come aware to me that you you can't use this build on selfhealers, mesmers and necros....is this true
PS i know the song in the video is Disturbed......but what song? is it Prayer?
Eadwyn Mirwen
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Originally Posted by Zackile Greenbirth
from reading this it has come aware to me that you you can't use this build on selfhealers, mesmers and necros....is this true
PS i know the song in the video is Disturbed......but what song? is it Prayer? Not this concrete build because they would strip your enchantments (or they might heal too much? Dont know.). But you can do an other one with spell breaker in it which works.
Yours,
Eadwyn
PS: The song is "liberate"
PS i know the song in the video is Disturbed......but what song? is it Prayer? Not this concrete build because they would strip your enchantments (or they might heal too much? Dont know.). But you can do an other one with spell breaker in it which works.
Yours,
Eadwyn
PS: The song is "liberate"
davidtann
they didnt nerf the globs as much as i thought, right when america got favor tonight i jumped into uw, and picked up 3 globs in the first run, and 1 on the 2nd run, and on my second run i died because of lag when my virus scan kicked in so i didnt even make it to the smites -_-
jelly samwich
i've swapped blessed signet for healing hands and i'm having a much better time vs the darknesses (i can survive dazed)
shakbaros
This build should not be nerf, because this game is all about using the right type of skills for right type of misson or fight.. so someone found it and that's great.. There must good build for every class which can survive long but havent found yet.. So i say this build should stay as it is... And we have to find same type of build for other classess...
Age
It is not a premade so how can they nerf it anyone can make this build up as it is a PVE build only PVP build can be nerfed.I use balance stance instead of bonettis as I can still use a skill overall I like this build if it where mins I would put some points in in axe or sword and use no 4 or less of those.
Pandora's box
Its a great build for this specific purpose only. I hoped it was finally a way to play the game real solo lol, but groups of dispellers/life drainers/energy stealers make this impossible. Feeling much like building a Magic the Gathering destruction deck to find out almost every opponent plays blue lol!
Hell Knight
Just noticed this topic, first I thought(b4 reading) haha, this guy is crazy, totally out of his mind if he wanna solo in UW. next I read it and I bow before your talent, you're DA MASTER 
jelly samwich
FOW
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Lynnrose
Is there a collector item that drops your HP by twenty? If so, what is it?
jelly samwich
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Originally Posted by Ryun
Is there a collector item that drops your HP by twenty? If so, what is it?
theres a -50 focus item from pre-searing
my current project is to come up w/ a FOW run from spawn to the tent by the eternal guys/skeletons... (inside that tent you are immune to ranged attacks) so the interrupts from rangers wouldn't matter..
my current project is to come up w/ a FOW run from spawn to the tent by the eternal guys/skeletons... (inside that tent you are immune to ranged attacks) so the interrupts from rangers wouldn't matter..
Age
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Originally Posted by jelly samwich
http://s93877810.onlinehome.us/gw074.JPG
http://s93877810.onlinehome.us/gw075.JPG
http://s93877810.onlinehome.us/gw076.JPG Jelly have you thought of useing balance stance that way you can still use a skill and bonettis defence is good as well.
Nyphur
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Originally Posted by jelly samwich
theres a -50 focus item from pre-searing
my current project is to come up w/ a FOW run from spawn to the tent by the eternal guys/skeletons... (inside that tent you are immune to ranged attacks) so the interrupts from rangers wouldn't matter.. I have one of these. It's not from pre-sear, it's from post sear ascalon somewhere, though I don't recall where. I'm sure it's there somewhere. -50 health. You'll only get about 6 energy out of it, though.
I'm currently running an E/Mo build with 55 health which uses protective spirit instead of protective bond, thus taking 5 energy per hit while avoiding the need for a level 17 protection spell cast. It would work on ANY character, though, since any character can pick up monk secondary and I just fiddled it about to work as a secondary monk instead of a primary
. I had great fun tanking a bunch of aataxes permanantly but I couldn't dish out the damage quickly enough to kill them. I'll probably switch my fire spells for smites and see if that helps.
The tank is solid, just trying to figure out how to deal enough damage. I'm currently thinking shield of judgement and balth's aura, but I'm not sure.
my current project is to come up w/ a FOW run from spawn to the tent by the eternal guys/skeletons... (inside that tent you are immune to ranged attacks) so the interrupts from rangers wouldn't matter.. I have one of these. It's not from pre-sear, it's from post sear ascalon somewhere, though I don't recall where. I'm sure it's there somewhere. -50 health. You'll only get about 6 energy out of it, though.
I'm currently running an E/Mo build with 55 health which uses protective spirit instead of protective bond, thus taking 5 energy per hit while avoiding the need for a level 17 protection spell cast. It would work on ANY character, though, since any character can pick up monk secondary and I just fiddled it about to work as a secondary monk instead of a primary
The tank is solid, just trying to figure out how to deal enough damage. I'm currently thinking shield of judgement and balth's aura, but I'm not sure.
Garrett
I hate to be a wet blanket, but this could be "nerfed" now as others have said. It's not that ArenaNet didn't see the possiblities protective bond gives in pve, it's that now everyone and their mother will do this because it has been handed to them on a silver platter.
Nyphur
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Originally Posted by Garrett
I hate to be a wet blanket, but this could be "nerfed" now as others have said. It's not that ArenaNet didn't see the possiblities protective bond gives in pve, it's that now everyone and their mother will do this because it has been handed to them on a silver platter.
Yeah, you're probably right but to be quite blunt, it's not a walk in the park even with the information in this thread. The guy I know who does this all the time says he even dies every now and then. It might be nerfed in any number of ways but finding things like this out is what the game is all about for people like me. Even if they are going to change it later, I'm still going to use it until then and when they nerf that, I'll think up an even crazier scheme.
I can see protective bond being changed to make the minimum amount that it can lower damage to 10. They can't really do much more than that without ruining the spell and they can't add disenchant abilities to underworld creatures because underworld is Balthazar's domain and he favours warriors, hence why all the major enemies down there are pure melee fighters. Balthazar doesn't like mesmers, I doubt they're going to change the storyline just to stop people solo-farming a few aataxes for what has already become rather gimped loot.
It's not like people are saying "Hey, this is an overpowered secret way to cash in". You don't make that much gold running underworld solo unless you're really good at it, and thus can do it fast, and are really lucky with the drops and get some nice items. Because aataxes and such drop rubbish most of the time. And it's not overpowered because it barely even works.
I can see protective bond being changed to make the minimum amount that it can lower damage to 10. They can't really do much more than that without ruining the spell and they can't add disenchant abilities to underworld creatures because underworld is Balthazar's domain and he favours warriors, hence why all the major enemies down there are pure melee fighters. Balthazar doesn't like mesmers, I doubt they're going to change the storyline just to stop people solo-farming a few aataxes for what has already become rather gimped loot.
It's not like people are saying "Hey, this is an overpowered secret way to cash in". You don't make that much gold running underworld solo unless you're really good at it, and thus can do it fast, and are really lucky with the drops and get some nice items. Because aataxes and such drop rubbish most of the time. And it's not overpowered because it barely even works.
Racthoh
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Originally Posted by Nyphur
Yeah, you're probably right but to be quite blunt, it's not a walk in the park even with the information in this thread. The guy I know who does this all the time says he even dies every now and then. It might be nerfed in any number of ways but finding things like this out is what the game is all about for people like me. Even if they are going to change it later, I'm still going to use it until then and when they nerf that, I'll think up an even crazier scheme.
I can see protective bond being changed to make the minimum amount that it can lower damage to 10. They can't really do much more than that without ruining the spell and they can't add disenchant abilities to underworld creatures because underworld is Balthazar's domain and he favours warriors, hence why all the major enemies down there are pure melee fighters. Balthazar doesn't like mesmers, I doubt they're going to change the storyline just to stop people solo-farming a few aataxes for what has already become rather gimped loot.
It's not like people are saying "Hey, this is an overpowered secret way to cash in". You don't make that much gold running underworld solo unless you're really good at it, and thus can do it fast, and are really lucky with the drops and get some nice items. Because aataxes and such drop rubbish most of the time. And it's not overpowered because it barely even works. Even if they did add enchantment removers, I know my build would still work.
The reason that the run is even profitable in any sense is because of two reasons. The chance that an ecto will drop is the main reason I do it with my warrior. The second reason being that so many people pay a lot of money to use a weapon that looks cool. It's just sad that they will sacrifice power for looks. The fact that I can sell a non-max eternal shield for a few platinum is just stupid. I'd much rather use a collector's shield with max defense, low requirements, and mods.
I can see protective bond being changed to make the minimum amount that it can lower damage to 10. They can't really do much more than that without ruining the spell and they can't add disenchant abilities to underworld creatures because underworld is Balthazar's domain and he favours warriors, hence why all the major enemies down there are pure melee fighters. Balthazar doesn't like mesmers, I doubt they're going to change the storyline just to stop people solo-farming a few aataxes for what has already become rather gimped loot.
It's not like people are saying "Hey, this is an overpowered secret way to cash in". You don't make that much gold running underworld solo unless you're really good at it, and thus can do it fast, and are really lucky with the drops and get some nice items. Because aataxes and such drop rubbish most of the time. And it's not overpowered because it barely even works. Even if they did add enchantment removers, I know my build would still work.
The reason that the run is even profitable in any sense is because of two reasons. The chance that an ecto will drop is the main reason I do it with my warrior. The second reason being that so many people pay a lot of money to use a weapon that looks cool. It's just sad that they will sacrifice power for looks. The fact that I can sell a non-max eternal shield for a few platinum is just stupid. I'd much rather use a collector's shield with max defense, low requirements, and mods.
Makkert
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Originally Posted by Nyphur
I have one of these. It's not from pre-sear, it's from post sear ascalon somewhere, though I don't recall where. I'm sure it's there somewhere. -50 health. You'll only get about 6 energy out of it, though.
I'm currently running an E/Mo build with 55 health which uses protective spirit instead of protective bond, thus taking 5 energy per hit while avoiding the need for a level 17 protection spell cast. It would work on ANY character, though, since any character can pick up monk secondary and I just fiddled it about to work as a secondary monk instead of a primary. I had great fun tanking a bunch of aataxes permanantly but I couldn't dish out the damage quickly enough to kill them. I'll probably switch my fire spells for smites and see if that helps.
The tank is solid, just trying to figure out how to deal enough damage. I'm currently thinking shield of judgement and balth's aura, but I'm not sure. come on, where the hell is that -50 health item? which collector?
I'm currently running an E/Mo build with 55 health which uses protective spirit instead of protective bond, thus taking 5 energy per hit while avoiding the need for a level 17 protection spell cast. It would work on ANY character, though, since any character can pick up monk secondary and I just fiddled it about to work as a secondary monk instead of a primary
The tank is solid, just trying to figure out how to deal enough damage. I'm currently thinking shield of judgement and balth's aura, but I'm not sure. come on, where the hell is that -50 health item? which collector?
Drausius
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Originally Posted by DrakeDeathscale
Quick question... Does having that 1 bar of energy regen really matter? What if you popped in Divine Boon instead? You could spam the hell out of Zealot's Fire with that, as it's an almost instantaneous cast with 0 recharge time... You're also healing yourself for 33 + (50 or so?) every cast, and health won't drop nearly that fast. If you're interrupted, big deal. Instant is instant, right?
With zealot's fire doing 37 damage to everything for 7 energy every second or so, you might not even need Bal's Aura, though that would definitely help...
When the fight's over and you need energy, taking off divine boon and letting it recharge while you take a smoke break shouldn't be too horrible... You're soloing the UW with speed and in style.... ~~~EDIT~~~ Duh, you have blessed signet... Keeping divine boon on and spamming blessed sig during downtime or when you have 1 or 2 Aataxe is actually a lot faster than that single bar of energy regain.
Please give feedback on why this is a bad/good idea. I'm just brainstorming here.
Here's the problem: zealots fire is just that...fire damage. The aatxes (if not all the creatures down there) have a resistances to fire damage, so that 37 damage you're hoping for is only about 12. My build used to be based on your idea, but for Uw it's better to hit the creatures there with holy damage.
With zealot's fire doing 37 damage to everything for 7 energy every second or so, you might not even need Bal's Aura, though that would definitely help...
When the fight's over and you need energy, taking off divine boon and letting it recharge while you take a smoke break shouldn't be too horrible... You're soloing the UW with speed and in style.... ~~~EDIT~~~ Duh, you have blessed signet... Keeping divine boon on and spamming blessed sig during downtime or when you have 1 or 2 Aataxe is actually a lot faster than that single bar of energy regain.
Please give feedback on why this is a bad/good idea. I'm just brainstorming here.
Sunyi
I don't know if this is a bug or what but when I die with 105 HP and I get 15% DP, my health is always 33. Which is not bad since I become immortal against melee mobs without any negative HP focus item. The calculation is still strange. (Not to mention that at 30% DP I have 1 (one) HP, which is even more interesting.)
Pandora's box
I think your death penalty is based on your base health, without the substraction of the gear you wear. After 2 deaths you have only 1 xp, and thats really too little lol!
lishi
mhhh i think they aready nerfed this
no way to get 17 protection ...
no way to get 17 protection ...
Lynnrose
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Originally Posted by lishi
mhhh i think they aready nerfed this
no way to get 17 protection ... Somebody needs to improve his reading comprehension skills . . . . Try taking a look at the whole thread (including the first post).
no way to get 17 protection ... Somebody needs to improve his reading comprehension skills . . . . Try taking a look at the whole thread (including the first post).
lishi
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Originally Posted by Ryun
Somebody needs to improve his reading comprehension skills . . . . Try taking a look at the whole thread (including the first post).
yes yes
16 + %20 focus ...
i have cast the spell about 20 times always 2 energy for hit ...
16 + %20 focus ...
i have cast the spell about 20 times always 2 energy for hit ...
Lynnrose
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Originally Posted by lishi
yes yes
16 + %20 focus ...
i have cast the spell about 20 times always 2 energy for hit ... Sometimes it happens on the first try and sometimes it feels like it takes forever. Just because the odds are 4:1 against doesn't mean it's definitely going to happen within the first five tries.
16 + %20 focus ...
i have cast the spell about 20 times always 2 energy for hit ... Sometimes it happens on the first try and sometimes it feels like it takes forever. Just because the odds are 4:1 against doesn't mean it's definitely going to happen within the first five tries.
Pandora's box
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Originally Posted by lishi
yes yes
16 + %20 focus ...
i have cast the spell about 20 times always 2 energy for hit ... Actually I'm having the same experience.
EDIT: nm, it works
16 + %20 focus ...
i have cast the spell about 20 times always 2 energy for hit ... Actually I'm having the same experience.
EDIT: nm, it works
Nyphur
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Originally Posted by Makkert
Quote: Originally Posted by Sunyi I don't know if this is a bug or what but when I die with 105 HP and I get 15% DP, my health is always 33. Which is not bad since I become immortal against melee mobs without any negative HP focus item. The calculation is still strange. (Not to mention that at 30% DP I have 1 (one) HP, which is even more interesting.) I noticed that myself. It's not a bug, death percentage applies before runes. It's not useful for UW since you can't go in solo and get DP. You can use it to solo sand drakes or something really easilly, though.
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Originally Posted by lishi
yes yes
16 + %20 focus ... i have cast the spell about 20 times always 2 energy for hit ... You have to cancel it before casting again or it won't work properly. At least that's been my experience.
ktadie
hmm can somone plz post a film for a divx6 or windows medier player? cauz the one posted dosnt work here at me..
thanx
capitalist
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
Bah! NO!... what, augh geez... no it...
sigh... how can you kill the monks, they heal too fast... ah, I'm gonna cry... Jelly, what is the monk killing stragedy?
ktadie
nvm just found out that it was a rar fil-eheh
Age
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Originally Posted by Nyphur
Yeah, you're probably right but to be quite blunt, it's not a walk in the park even with the information in this thread. The guy I know who does this all the time says he even dies every now and then. It might be nerfed in any number of ways but finding things like this out is what the game is all about for people like me. Even if they are going to change it later, I'm still going to use it until then and when they nerf that, I'll think up an even crazier scheme.
I can see protective bond being changed to make the minimum amount that it can lower damage to 10. They can't really do much more than that without ruining the spell and they can't add disenchant abilities to underworld creatures because underworld is Balthazar's domain and he favours warriors, hence why all the major enemies down there are pure melee fighters. Balthazar doesn't like mesmers, I doubt they're going to change the storyline just to stop people solo-farming a few aataxes for what has already become rather gimped loot. It's not like people are saying "Hey, this is an overpowered secret way to cash in". You don't make that much gold running underworld solo unless you're really good at it, and thus can do it fast, and are really lucky with the drops and get some nice items. Because aataxes and such drop rubbish most of the time. And it's not overpowered because it barely even works. If player keep this build when the next expansion comes out how can they nerf protective bond when they have it?I use my Monk/War. for healing ad smiting for the most part not protection.I need my scalpal armor for that. |
