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ownage of teh elite

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Paradise =)

N/Me

22 Jul 2005 at 07:17 - 1

Okay guys, hello there.

I'm here to push out my rage towards a-net and their abuse to us.

Firstly, I would like to say that I am a droknar runner. Yes...sometimes it's hard, and the imps combined with various knockdown monsters get irritatin, be we get er dun. But no....A-Net just COULDNT let us make a profit, since they already screwed up our freaking farming!

THEY HAVE ADDED MOBS TO THE DAMNED DROKNAR RUN!

As you probably have noticed, upon arrival in lonars pass, everything seems the same. But as you progress, near the wurms, you see a s***load of new mobs. huge mobs of imps, huge mobs of golems, huge pinesouls, i mean, its RIDICULOUS!!! And they even placed more freaking ice imp mobs near the wurm knockdown, avarica run, area! As if the first ice imp mob wasn't gay enough!

I mean, this is getting out of hand.

This is really, really, not good for ratings towards Guildwars.

I mean...in the future, people WILL put down this game, comparing it towards other online games, such as WoW, or Everquest. I mean, this game is turning into a game, in which you dedicate so much time into. But you never get ANYTHING worthwile. And still, gay-net continues to NERF our farming areas, ELIMINATE our chests, and ADD FREAKING MOBS TO OUR PROFITABLE RUNS.

PETITION TIME, FOR US TO RISE AGAINST THIS RIDICULE.

/signed

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:A-net is becoming ridiculous to our playing style, and are eliminating all hopes of gaining money.

:Ownage of teh elite

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Rajamic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

IA

Chronicles of Heroes [CoH]

R/Me

22 Jul 2005 at 07:41 - 2

Droknar running was only for the lazy and the griefer. To the lazy, I'm sorry. To the griefer, well, I don't associate with them at all.

As for the gaining of money, they said a long time ago that they have a plan for making everything (short of the 15K and Fissure armors at least) easily accessable through normal gameplay. The nerfing of farming spots was a required step before implementing this, or the economy would go down the crapper all the way to Austrailia (no offense Aussies. Purely geographic reference) within literally hours! Once they feel they have all easy farming spots handled, then they can afford to unroll this plan.

Orochim4ru

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

mustache riders

22 Jul 2005 at 08:19 - 3

the economy is already in the crapper, and if you want fissure armor, you'd better pray a 15>50 storm bow drops, otherwise there's NO way to get it. 105 ecto/shards is disgusting, even if you're guaranteed 2/run, since that would mean you would still be on the hook for 105k if you payed all the entrances. That's totally lucridious. Obviously "normal" playing won't cut it for that, but now all the "non-normal" avenues of money getting are closed down, thus the high end content is reserved for people who played pre-nerf.

I have to unlock my runes, my weapon mods, my skills. After that, i can focus on style, but in the meantime i'd like to have more... fun. I can afford to re-dye my armor everyone once in a while.. that's about it. Whoa, don't get all classy on me now: i've played through the game on 3 characters: not a single black dye. If i want to ever find out what it looks like on armor, i'm down another 10k.

10k that i can't get from sitting in LA spamming "WTS WOOD PLANKS OMG ROFL!"

To summarize: -the ingame economy is like all ingame economies: trashy.
-The casual player CANNOT afford high end content.
-Farming/Running was an effective way of bolstering their income, which has now been removed.
-Apart from chain winning the HoH, PvP has no ingame monetary reward
-In PvE its fairly impossible to make steady money in missions, or by completeling the game.

Arcador

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

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R/N

22 Jul 2005 at 08:26 - 4

Well there are some skills that allow you to run past HUGE groups of mobs, but it requires different type of classes - for example the shadow mobs can be passed with balanced stance (no knockdown), mass mage mobs with spell breaker and so on.

The so called farming is difficult but posible. Know the zone you will go, know the enemies there, their skills and numbers, also their resistances then thin out a skills for that and your efficiency will raise a lot.

AceSnyp3r

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Work in Progress [WIP]

22 Jul 2005 at 08:31 - 5

I don't think anyone deserves to be in Droknar's if they can't manage to Ascend. Besides, it's not impossible now, just not as easy, and you might actually have to (ghasp!) fight. I agree with most of Rajamic's points on this.

/unsigned

BladeX3I

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Searching... PM me with a good one

R/Mo

22 Jul 2005 at 08:35 - 6

We could tell by your post and forum name how old you are. You didn't have to post it. Most of us don't feel bad for you. I don't know what to say besides....try a different game?

Omega_2005

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

UK, or is it? *confused*

A/Rt

22 Jul 2005 at 08:40 - 7

I'll sign it, as nobody else seems interested of doing so.

Yes it is ridiculous there, it's too hard solo-running there, and with most of these *ahem* parties... I think they should either tone down those monster levels or remove half of them

/SIGNED

Matthew Williams

Just overdone that area a bit too well

Wnx Omega Hammerer, Alpha And The Omega...

19

Aaaaagh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

22 Jul 2005 at 08:42 - 8

I love Droknars runners. I am not one. I have played through the PvE FIVE times now, and I enjoy being able to give someone 3k (pennies) to get me to my armor so I can enjoy the game a tad more (cause I like kickin ass). I always thought everyone whining about Droknars runners were idiots, its a service that they can easily chose not to use after all. I dont understand why A.net made this move, they must have been swayed by the mass of morons. I dont agree with this move. However, that doesnt mean Im anti Anet cause they did one thing I dont like. Life is about comprimise, an intelligent person will find another way to make money.

Xeno Demachilo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Benefactors Of Darkness

W/Mo

22 Jul 2005 at 08:57 - 9

I find droknar runners extremely pathetic. The point of this game is not to run back and forth for money. It is to kill monsters, Level up, Proceed through the game as it was intended, and do that over.

Aaaaagh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

22 Jul 2005 at 09:00 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeno Demachilo

I find droknar runners extremely pathetic. The point of this game is not to run back and forth for money. It is to kill monsters, Level up, Proceed through the game as it was intended, and do that over.

How short sighted you are. That may be the point of the game for YOU, but its sure not for me.

The point of the game for me is to unlock as near to everything as I can, and then PvP until my brain pukes or I get bored. So, rushing is good for those like me, who are concerned with getting to end game so they can get the unlocks they need.

There are two sides to a coin my friend. GW isnt a coin though, its more of a cube..

Quintus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

22 Jul 2005 at 09:04 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeno Demachilo

I find droknar runners extremely pathetic. The point of this game is not to run back and forth for money. It is to kill monsters, Level up, Proceed through the game as it was intended, and do that over.

I was under the impression that the point of the game is to have fun. If someone does not find low level PvE, lack of skill/build options, and/or missions they have done 20 times already fun, then I see no reason to keep them away from what they do find fun. But you say that the point of the game is to "kill monstors" and "Level up". So I guess I must be wrong.

Orochim4ru

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

mustache riders

22 Jul 2005 at 09:17 - 12

You know what, every time i see the word "intended" i wonder why the hell there's a link to beacons perch that leads to droknars. What, did you think that a party from camp rankor was interested in unlocking kryta?

Lord Malikai

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Colorado

Imperial Fist Guild Leader

W/E

22 Jul 2005 at 09:19 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by ownage of teh elite

THEY HAVE ADDED MOBS TO THE DAMNED DROKNAR RUN!

It's better than a really big wall that blocks the passage

No pain, no gain.

Sandman Uk

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

Uk Leicester

N/R

22 Jul 2005 at 09:26 - 14

At the end of the day as mentioned they shouldnt be there. If they want to progress later in the game they will have to do the missions to asscend if they want to go to underworld. i think ANET should make the armour lvl specific. That will stop lvl1's trying to get to Drokners to get the expensive armour if it was lvl18-20 specific

LathalDraugr

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

22 Jul 2005 at 09:28 - 15

Think you might be overreacting a bit. Are you sure you just didn't get unlucky with mob placement? Because I just tried the run (on the euro server) this morning and it seems to be same as usual. I think at some point in the last couple of weeks they added a few mobs or at least a new template for mob placement in Lornar's Pass which makes it harder but that's about it. If you die because the mobs are too close together just rezone and try again.

And to all who proclaimed the death of Droknar's running,you can't win. Even if A.net makes running solo impossible (which they might just do sooner or later thanks to all the whining) you'll just see groups of 5 level 20's charging 25k per person.

Synthos

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2005

22 Jul 2005 at 09:30 - 16

I really have faith that these people will find a way to make the run now anyway.

Orochim4ru

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

mustache riders

22 Jul 2005 at 09:32 - 17

Quote:

At the end of the day as mentioned they shouldnt be there

Why not? i've beaten the game multiple times, i've gotten everything done in UW and FoW, yet i shouldn't be allowed to walk along a perfectly legal path to get to the south shiverpeaks because you don' think i should be there? Hilarious. Unless i'm in the level 10 arenas, i'm not hurting you, nor am i affecting the economy, nor am i unbalancing pvp.

I fail to see your logic. Oh, wait there is none.

Creature of Legend

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Japan

No Clue

E/Me

22 Jul 2005 at 09:37 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Malikai

It's better than a really big wall that blocks the passage

No pain, no gain.

The wall might be better! If it's challenge you want they gave it to you, keep it up and the'll stick a monster like Anthras (Lineage II) in your way, your running days will be OVER!

/unsigned

If you have done all the missions 10 times, you have made the run alone 10 times, ect.... why do you need a runner? Why do you hire someone to do your work? If you run it alone fine, more power to you, I'm going to try one of these days but dont hire anyone!

As for the extra mobs, good! makes for a harder traverse, it aint like we are losing xp or deleveling. The worsth that happens is you die, take your penalty, and try again.

TO Anet: MAKE MORE MOBS, THE ONES YOUR GOT ARE TOO WEAK!!!

Omega_2005

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

UK, or is it? *confused*

A/Rt

22 Jul 2005 at 09:42 - 19

I've had enough of this "Flaming" in the thread! Either stop spamming and sign it, or comment why you dislike it, rather than jibing, or stay away from this thread!

DrSLUGFly

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

European Server or International

22 Jul 2005 at 10:50 - 20

I don't run... I don't get run by others... I never will...

I think droknar runs are a fantastic idea. Trading alone is not an economy. Economy is for products AND/OR services. I like that players are offering services instead of just items. It adds what is closer to a real economy and I'm all for it.

Rieselle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Melbourne, Australia

E/Rt

22 Jul 2005 at 11:08 - 21

I like the fact that there's a pass between beacons and droknars. I dislike the fact that a single person can run through it unharmed with the right skills. I'd prefer it was a ultra tough way for several highish unascended players to get to droknars.

I wish the zoning mechanism would be changed so that you need all of the members of the party to be nearby before it would allow the party to zone. And dead party members merely get booted. But that would probably cause many other problems. So, in the meantime, huzzah for the pass! Boo for the runners! :P

As for the economy problem, think about it in the long term - say the game in the earlier days was more generous than the developers planned for their game. What should ANet do?

1. Leave things as it is, in its "unintended" state. It's "fair", in that later players get as much stuff as earlier players, and everyone wallows in stuff and nothing matters much anymore.

2. Clamp down really hard so that it's much harder to amass large amounts of money or stuff, and try to put in ways to dissipate the money that's in possession of earlier players. Then, when most people are poor again, readjust the rewards so that they are at the intended level - good enough to be rewarding, hard enough to be special.

3. Throw their hands up and change GW into a goldless controlled economy. CyberCommunism FTW! :P

Lorelei

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Somewhere unexpected

22 Jul 2005 at 13:07 - 22

Hahahaha! Job well done Anet!!!!

Thanas

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Star Riders (StR)

N/

22 Jul 2005 at 13:13 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorelei

Hahahaha! Job well done Anet!!!!

Farmers and droknars runners are in the minority. There style of gameplay is not in line with core game ideas. Collect gold and items in the normal fashion i.e. don't make it a priority. Droknar runs are pointless, ruin the game fo others and promote a lazy attitude. To be fair I don't wish to play with lvl15's in the southern shiverpeaks. So any attempt to curb this is greatly appreciated.

Well done Anet.

Linkie

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2005

Norway

P/W

22 Jul 2005 at 13:14 - 24

Oh, they're stopping the retards from being able to run to Droknar's? Oh noes.

Mithie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Rest En Pieces [RIP]

Me/W

22 Jul 2005 at 13:16 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thanas

Farmers and droknars runners are in the minority. There style of gameplay is not in line with core game iedas. Collect gold and items in the normal fashion i.e. don't make it a priority. Droknar runs are pointless, ruin the game fo others and promote a lazy attitude. To be fair I don't wish to play with lvl15's in the southern shiverpeaks. So any attempt to curb this is greatly appreciated.

Well done Anet.

Minority? There are hosts of people in Beac's perch asking for runs 24/7, and just as many runners accomodating them.

Mormegil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

22 Jul 2005 at 13:26 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkie

Oh, they're stopping the retards from being able to run to Droknar's? Oh noes.

Frankly, I'm surprised people that relate to others like you are even in the Idiot Savants, a Guild that gathers players who hugely contributed to the GW community like Ensign.

Anet was aware of Droknar's runners, they just made their life more difficult now.
I saw nothing wrong in paying someone 3k to get your third/fourth char rushed (I happen to have 2 accounts, you won't expect me to play the PvE game 5-6 times, will you?), and of course I played my first 2 char as everyone does, doing missions, traveling from town to town with PuGs. Paying someone like Slash Dot (he posts as "Wheel" here) and enjoying the ride was even funny.

Last but not least, people don't like being called retards, so please behave like an adult and show a little respect to others, will you?

Thanks.

Xellos

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2005

No Idea

22 Jul 2005 at 13:27 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkie

Oh, they're stopping the retards from being able to run to Droknar's? Oh noes.

It's Oh Noez Sirz!

Teufel Eldritch

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Shadar Logoth

The Legendary Majestic 12

N/

22 Jul 2005 at 13:45 - 28

The access to Droks is definately intended, however imo I don't think the devs were expecting ppl to 'run' it. I think that they intended ppl to have to fight thier way thru.

It would be nice if thier was some form of official statement about this.

SOT

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

East Texas

22 Jul 2005 at 13:49 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by ownage of teh elite

Firstly, I would like to say that I am a droknar runner.

That was all I had to hear to read no further

samarium

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Pillers of Darkness [Dark]

N/Mo

22 Jul 2005 at 13:58 - 30

Quote:

the word "intended"

Every time I see somebody preaching about how they know exactly what arenanet intended with this game, and how they know the mind of the devs along with exactly what they were thinking when they wrote the game, I do this:

I'm all for the Forge run. I intend to use it on my other characters, having done it the "intended" way once already, via missions.

-sam

P.S. Apparently, when I see people preaching, I turn blue and get constipated.

Gwenhywar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Shameful Spirits [SsP]

Mo/

22 Jul 2005 at 13:59 - 31

Wow, some of the posts here are just pathetic...

Why do some people think they have been granted a right to indicate everyone else how to play THEIR game and how to have fun?!

As long as they're not interrupting YOUR way of having fun via harassment, ruining economy, etc, why should you care?

I have never (yet at least) been run to Droknar's or run myself. Although I have done a reverse "run" from Rankor to Beacon's with my ascended character purely for fun.

Anything in the game that can give people incentive to be creative in earning money or making fun events without abusing any bugs in the game is awesome.

If you don't like your neighbour's new car, do you go and harass him about it every day?

Mind your own business and you'll have more fun yourself ... except, of course, if your idea of having fun is to look for things to whine about - then I'm very sorry for this post, and enjoy having YOUR way of fun

Jaythen Tyradel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

22 Jul 2005 at 14:02 - 32

Go ANET!
Thank you for making this change.
/not singed in relation to the OP

--for the purpose of Draknor Runs..I'm for this addition to the mobs..

samarium

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Pillers of Darkness [Dark]

N/Mo

22 Jul 2005 at 14:08 - 33

Quote:

The access to Droks is definately intended, however imo I don't think the devs were expecting ppl to 'run' it. I think that they intended ppl to have to fight thier way thru.

I think it's pretty obvious. Warriors have a number of skills dedicated to 'running it': speed plus, max HP plus, defense plus, and anti-knockdown.

These things together scream "Run past something nasty while not dying" to me, and Lornar's Pass is definitely something nasty!

In any case, even with the new mobs, it's still runnable. Just more challenging. It seems to me this will make rates go up, not down.

If they really didn't want it run, they'd make it a lava-filled maze with little islands full of beasties that you'd have to stop on to heal up.

-sam

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

22 Jul 2005 at 14:15 - 34

so you're upset because you can no longer exploit the lazy to fill your e-bank account with fake gold??

/findalife.

/unsigned.
reason: I don't care if you can no longer make an assload of fake money

Teufel Eldritch

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Shadar Logoth

The Legendary Majestic 12

N/

22 Jul 2005 at 14:29 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by samarium

I think it's pretty obvious. Warriors have a number of skills dedicated to 'running it': speed plus, max HP plus, defense plus, and anti-knockdown.

These things together scream "Run past something nasty while not dying" to me, and Lornar's Pass is definitely something nasty!

In any case, even with the new mobs, it's still runnable. Just more challenging. It seems to me this will make rates go up, not down.

If they really didn't want it run, they'd make it a lava-filled maze with little islands full of beasties that you'd have to stop on to heal up.

-sam

Just because a Warrior(& others) have a run/sprint skill does not mean that the devs intended ppl to run to Droks. All that proves is that Warriors(& others) were given a way to run faster... not necessarily run thru zones to Droks.

You don't like it when others say/insinuate that the devs intended ppl to fight thier way thru but yet you use the same tack when it suits your own point.

I really think a dev or dev rep needs to settle this once & for all. Just what was the intent behind the Beacons - Drok route?

As for lava pits... sure why not? I wouldn't mind. =D

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

22 Jul 2005 at 14:30 - 36

I do believe that people forget about the 3 or 4 bosses in the lornars pass area. The pass was intended to hide 4 bosses from which you can cap elites...it's difficult because you are supposed to be in a group of 8 coming from droknars all lvl20...looking to CAP SKILLS.

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

22 Jul 2005 at 14:35 - 37

I fought my way through the pass. That was fun. Running might be a fun challenge too, now it'll be more so. Yay!

KvanCetre

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

The Madison Scouts

E/Mo

22 Jul 2005 at 14:36 - 38

Around your second or third time through the game you really don't feel like playing all the missions, so you get a drok rush.

Oh dear, that makes us retards because we didn't feel like grouping with random PUGs that drop out if they die during a mission. I had to do Sanctum Cay four times before I found a group that could make it through.

In the early days, all my PUGs consisted of players who knew the game, but now days... finding a PUG that doesn't have players that act like children is difficult. I skipped most of the missions because of this.

Vorlin

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

22 Jul 2005 at 14:39 - 39

Noone can argue that ANet purposefully created a way to directly access the 1.5K armor from a low-level area. Clearly this was intended for just what it's being used for: running low-level characters to Droknar's Forge for 1.5K armor (Occam's Razor). What I don't think ANet envisioned was that a certain set of goofballs would feel compelled to take their low-level max-armored characters back to the level 10 arena and play king-for-a-day. But now that you gain experience in the arena, is this still a big problem?

If not, why make the forge run any harder? At this point buying forge runs is an established practice, so any increase in forge run difficulty will simply increase the forge run price, it won't wipe out the practice. And for the people paying for these runs, money usually isn't an issue.

So if the original poster is correct in that ANet is upping the difficult of forge runs, I'd have to come to the conclusion that ANet is chasing its own tail here. The forge run was doing what it was obviously meant to do in the first place, either leave it alone or remove it entirely, making it harder doesn't make any sense that I can see.

Lorelei

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Somewhere unexpected

22 Jul 2005 at 14:40 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwenhywar

Wow, some of the posts here are just pathetic...

Anything in the game that can give people incentive to be creative in earning money or making fun events without abusing any bugs in the game is awesome.

I am unsure which side you are on, Gwen (hehe, can't resist), but I actually agree with your post. Nothing wrong with finding places to farm, ways to make money (escort, run, etc.) But just don't cry about it when it got changed. Find more creative ways to make money :P