Ebay or not Ebay, that is the question.
forgotten ranger
Don't do it its a waste of money
scatman
Here is the answer to your problem in 5 steps.
1.Search Farming
2.Learn Basic Farming
3.Practice Farming
4.Find your own new place to Farm that works best with your build.
5.Quit complaining about not having money.
1.Search Farming
2.Learn Basic Farming
3.Practice Farming
4.Find your own new place to Farm that works best with your build.
5.Quit complaining about not having money.
ExplosiveBadger
2 dollars? I can find that in my couch... If you want to do it whatever. Just be aware of the concequences.
Lagg
Success is a journey, not a destination. The doing is often more important than the outcome.
Arthur Ashe
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fubar121
Well I'm at work and its kinda slow so I thought I'd search for some GW info via my usual google, and as I scroll I see a Ebay page. So i check it out.. 1300 and 1 things for sale. 95 % of it gold!
LINK
http://search.ebay.com/Guild-Wars_Vi...eZGuildQ2bWars
Now As I see it isn't that illegal? I mean they are making a profit from Anet property. Can't something be done about it? I makes me wanna puke. cause you know some F*ckin little bastard with a net work is got like 10 copies of GW and running all the bots to farm gold. Now farm for gold I don't have a problem with ( Its a nessary evil sometimes.) But to do something like run a bunch of computers to get gold to sell on ebay well that just burns my ass. I mean WTF is the purpose of playing the game if your going to CHEAT. Not to mention drive up the prices and all the other effects. So all the legit players who have 63 gold ATM. can't afford to take a sh*t. I mean should'nt something be done about this? Anyway I know this has been posted somewhere before but i thought i'd add the link and what i think the gold sellers are violating. <--see below
Off the GW webpage
However, we permit the use of our game world and our characters in literary or musical pieces intended for personal use only, such as those posted on or released through a non-profit website, as long as such usage does not fall outside the parameters established in the first item on this document. We do not permit the unauthorized use of our game world, our characters, or any other elements of our game in any form that involves profit or commercial benefit, such as novels, short stories, articles, screenplays, action figures, theatrical productions, or other adaptations of our game.
Anyway just my thought
Fubar121
Xellos
But look at it this way, unlike other games, gold in this game is worthless. So no one undeserving is going to buy it.
Diomedes
Yes, ANET should go after those people and unnerf the drops 
-Diomedes
-Diomedes
Diomedes
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Thanato
its kind of hard to go after the people themselves, since they're selling the "time they put into aquiring the gold" and not the gold itself. the best they can do is have ebay shut down those auctions
Xellos
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I continue to buy things every day with gold, can you tell me why exactly gold is worthless?
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Dax
If there wasn't people buying the gold, then there wouldn't a problem.
Evidently it's a big business, but there needs to be a demand for it.
Evidently it's a big business, but there needs to be a demand for it.
Sagius Truthbarron
This is completely legal. They want money for the time spent collecting it; not selling actual property, but time.
sidepocket13
well there is more then gold, ebay name tinaturtle982 ( 326Feedback score is 100 to 499)
is selling a HUGE amount of weapons for up to $75.00 a piece! but there is this little disclamer on it "All characters, items and Gold in "Guild Wars" are the property of NCsoft Entertainment Inc.. This auction is not for the ownership of intellectual property owned NCsoft Entertainment Inc. but for the time and effort spent in providing this gaming service, all items are and will remain the property of NCsoft Entertainment Inc.. By bidding on this auction you are stating that you are in no way affiliated with NCsoft Entertainment Inc.. "Guild Wars" is a trademark of NCsoft Entertainment Inc.. All registered names and trademarks are properties of their respective owners."
guess that makes it ok?
is selling a HUGE amount of weapons for up to $75.00 a piece! but there is this little disclamer on it "All characters, items and Gold in "Guild Wars" are the property of NCsoft Entertainment Inc.. This auction is not for the ownership of intellectual property owned NCsoft Entertainment Inc. but for the time and effort spent in providing this gaming service, all items are and will remain the property of NCsoft Entertainment Inc.. By bidding on this auction you are stating that you are in no way affiliated with NCsoft Entertainment Inc.. "Guild Wars" is a trademark of NCsoft Entertainment Inc.. All registered names and trademarks are properties of their respective owners."
guess that makes it ok?
fubar121
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This is completely legal. They want money for the time spent collecting it; not selling actual property, but time.
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Takeko Nakano
Good point. I'm sure Guild Wars is aware of this, but you might want to give them some info. They could sue ebay technically. After all the courts are starting to come down on people who let their services/software/etc be used illegally. Look at how the US Supreme Court overturned the Betamax ruling over p2p software.
Personally I think ebay should have the pants sued off them.
Personally I think ebay should have the pants sued off them.
MSecorsky
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This is completely legal. They want money for the time spent collecting it; not selling actual property, but time.
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hydrak
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But look at it this way, unlike other games, gold in this game is worthless. So no one undeserving is going to buy it.
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Xellos
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Originally Posted by hydrak
If gold is worthless in guild wars, what other games are gold considered worthy? and why?
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ImagoX
Personally I think this is a GREAT thing...
It may "sicken" you, but not everyone playes the game ffor the same reasons thay you might, man.
MMOs are played by a wide variety of people and NOT just people that can afford to take the time to "farm for a week" or level a character up to the point where they can do the HoH. I've seen deals for like 300k Gold for less than $7 RWD (real-world dollars), which I have to tell you is VERY tempting for a player like me that only plays like 2-3 times a WEEK and then only for a few hours, and who is constantly low on money and crafting materials. I blow more than $7 any time I walk in a Starbucks, so that ammount of real cash is less than pcoket change, and if I can find a seller that can deliver within 15 minutes of making the Paypal sale, well, I call that "good customer servce". I think the game publishers fear this sort of thing because they know full well that there's no way in hell thet they'd ever figure out a way to match that level of service (that's not a slam, BTW, I just know the realities of the biz).
Seeing as how other MMOs are actually setting up their own IN GAME AUCTION SPACES that allow people to purchase in-game items form other players using actual money, it's only a matter of time till all MMOS allow this- the market will speak with their gaming dollars otherwise.
It may "sicken" you, but not everyone playes the game ffor the same reasons thay you might, man.
MMOs are played by a wide variety of people and NOT just people that can afford to take the time to "farm for a week" or level a character up to the point where they can do the HoH. I've seen deals for like 300k Gold for less than $7 RWD (real-world dollars), which I have to tell you is VERY tempting for a player like me that only plays like 2-3 times a WEEK and then only for a few hours, and who is constantly low on money and crafting materials. I blow more than $7 any time I walk in a Starbucks, so that ammount of real cash is less than pcoket change, and if I can find a seller that can deliver within 15 minutes of making the Paypal sale, well, I call that "good customer servce". I think the game publishers fear this sort of thing because they know full well that there's no way in hell thet they'd ever figure out a way to match that level of service (that's not a slam, BTW, I just know the realities of the biz).
Seeing as how other MMOs are actually setting up their own IN GAME AUCTION SPACES that allow people to purchase in-game items form other players using actual money, it's only a matter of time till all MMOS allow this- the market will speak with their gaming dollars otherwise.
sidepocket13
so then why exactly do you play? if you want pvp make a pvp player!
Xellos
ImagoX brings up a good point, while that player who buys might not be a player you want, it's still a player none-the-less, which is still business for A.net.
hydrak
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WoW to a point, and some other MMORPGs. It's not that they won't become useless ever, but rather since the grind takes so much more, the gold retains it's value longer. Guild Wars, you can get everything within weeks if you are good and know the right people.
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Xellos
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Originally Posted by hydrak
This maybe a little extreme, but I think gold is worthless in all the games. For example, in WoW, this game is simply lame there are so many ways to make gold here (I'm not going to detail this) without spending alot of time at the keyboard.
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Sagius Truthbarron
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So if I pay a hooker for her time and just happen to get the sex, that's legal then?
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But, yes, it is legal in this case.
Is this a point that you think selling fake money to people who know that it's fake and want it be is a terrible crime?
Kishin
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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron
This is completely legal. They want money for the time spent collecting it; not selling actual property, but time.
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Diomedes
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That just might be a loop hole. But, yes, it is legal in this case. |
Second off, if you really are being charged for time spent and not the item, then people shouldn't include the descriptions of the items they are selling. Instead they should sell, "An item I got after playing for two hours". And that might be a superior vigor or it might be a non-max sword. By including an item description beyond "for the time and effort spent in providing this gaming service" I believe that they have undermined their argument. But by discussing the item at length, and then simply saying, "oh really, but it was for my time and effort" seems pretty flimsy to me.
-Diomedes
Xellos
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I love how people and ebay sellers think this is a loophole. Any half decent law student, let alone an actual lawyer, would tear this argument to pieces in seconds. Its just a case of people thinking "LOOK AT ME I R SMARTER THAN THE LAW HAHA I PWNED THE GOVERNMENT".
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So now it's "LOOK AT ME I R SMARTER THAN PPL WHO THINK THEY R SMARTER THAN THE LAW HAHA I PWNED THESE LEWZORZ"
Sagius Truthbarron
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First off, you can claim it's legal, but I think that pretty much any court of law wouldn't see it your way.
Second off, if you really are being charged for time spent and not the item, then people shouldn't include the descriptions of the items they are selling. Instead they should sell, "An item I got after playing for two hours". And that might be a superior vigor or it might be a non-max sword. By including an item description beyond "for the time and effort spent in providing this gaming service" I believe that they have undermined their argument. But by discussing the item at length, and then simply saying, "oh really, but it was for my time and effort" seems pretty flimsy to me. -Diomedes |
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| Disclaimer - All characters, items and Gold in "Guild Wars" are the property of NCsoft Entertainment Inc.. This auction is not for the ownership of intellectual property owned NCsoft Entertainment Inc. but for the time and effort spent in providing this gaming service, all items are and will remain the property of NCsoft Entertainment Inc.. By bidding on this auction you are stating that you are in no way affiliated with NCsoft Entertainment Inc.. "Guild Wars" is a trademark of NCsoft Entertainment Inc.. All registered names and trademarks are perperties of their respective owners. |
MSecorsky
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That just might be a loop hole.
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ExplosiveBadger
If I really needed the gold i'd do it. It isn't sickening, if I can't afford an item and I don't want to waste a week to get enough money i'll just go look at my paypal. I have a job, this isn't a lot of money. But I don't think i'll do it in the future. If a-net says it's illeagal, I won't mess with it.
hydrak
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I love how people and ebay sellers think this is a loophole. Any half decent law student, let alone an actual lawyer, would tear this argument to pieces in seconds. Its just a case of people thinking "LOOK AT ME I R SMARTER THAN THE LAW HAHA I PWNED THE GOVERNMENT".
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Diomedes
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-Diomedes
YellowMarker161
1 mil for only 60 dollars, jeez! If that wasn't illegal or get my character banned, I would take that offer up in an instant.
fubar121
just emailed anet Ill see wht the say back and post it here.
Diomedes
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hydrak
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They'll thank you for their time and tell you that they're considering the situation, any decisions that they make in the matter will not be made known to you. (Or at least that's what they've told me and other people I know who have asked them about e-bay auctions).
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Chev of Hardass
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But look at it this way, unlike other games, gold in this game is worthless. So no one undeserving is going to buy it.
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Wow, no one picked up on how ignorant this post is?
The reason gold is worthless, is because everyone has it and can get it for cheap. Supply and demand, everbody. Now say it with me. Since the BOTs can raise the supply of gold in such an outstanding way, the demand goes down for it.
In my own personal opinion,
-I think A.NET does not care. They make money off the BOTers by banning thier account and forcing them to make new accounts, but they will not discourage them from purchasing new copies of the game.
I'll say that in another way in case someone didn't get it. A.Net has a constant supply of game purchases coming from botters that get banned from the game. However, they will not make the environment such that the BOTers will not buy new copies, because if the BOTers cannot make money off of gamers, A.Net will loose that portion of thier income.
my $.02
While it is correct to say that gold is not a necessity in the game. It is incorrect to tell someone that the game is not any more fun. BOTs and E-Bay has helped ruin the economy of the game for us.
Thank you everyone that was involved.
Aracos79
I think Sagius' interpretation of what's happening here is actually correct, or at least closer to reality. Why? Because all the eBay auctions still exist and are not closed. If what they were doing was illegal, eBay would be compelled and required to close those auctions down. They don't. Therefore you have to conclude that the so called "loophole" that the auction posters use is sufficient.
Drakron
Well considering how long MMORPGs fought EBay ...
MMORPGs only anwer to EBay sellers is banning people.
MMORPGs only anwer to EBay sellers is banning people.
Diomedes
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I think what needs to be taken into account is that when AreaNet came up with a business model, it didn't include XXX funds to be spent each year in legal fees suing a farmer just so that another one could pop up 2 days later.
-Diomedes