Droknar rushers in early arenas

Exactly. So the last thing we need is to allow people with Droknar armour and elite skills to make it even more unfair.

A Monk's armour isn't exactly amazing wherever you get it from. A Warrior in Droknar's armour will be a significantly harder nut to crack, though, which is probably where the complaining comes from.

I agree actually, sorry if it didn't seem so in my post. I'm just against thing like level requirements for high level armour or closing Lornars, fixing things at the arena end is the most fair and reasonable. It doesn't stop those who want to rush their second or third character through PvE but makes the arenas slightly more balanced.

Good point. But it was the smiting skills like zealots fire which helped my monk not the armour so there needs to be a limit on skills as well I think to ensure fairer competition.

Just make a required lvl for the armor. That should work. It works with weapons .

Yes and leave the people who've already been rushed without armour and force those who only want the armour for PvE to have to spend another couple of platinum on in between armour. Not a good idea. Better solution is to put a minimum and maximum AL limit like the level limit on the arena.

And no it doesn't work with weapons since it's entirely possible to have much better usable weapons if you've played before than if you're on the first time through.

/Edit Not to mention this does nothing about elites and high level skills which are far more powerful than better armour for most classes.

Simple Solution: You have to ascend to wear the armor from Drok. I've been maintaining that this is the best fix for a while now, and I still believe it to be the case. Thoughts?

Level req for armor is the best solution. Peeps with 2 or 3 characters should have no problem without high end armor. If theywere able to make it through with 2 or 3 character already, they evidently don't need to depend on it.

I think there are more problems with rushing characters than just the arenas...but that isn't really the topic.

The Nintendo Age of gaming and GAME GENIE really shines through today in this online game and actually many others. When they made the GAME GENIE they ruined gaming and how people game for the future. "CHEATING" now becomes "let me play how I want to play" Meaning if I want to CHEAT let me cheat. lol I've never seen so many that don't want to play any game the way they were intended, but, put up some rediculous excuses of "it's not cheating", it's suppose to be that way.

I truely believe though that A-Net/Devs will continue to use the nerf bat along the path of this game and many things that are issues now will be forgotten in the future as they make amends and balance the game even more and make all the arenas a more balanced and enjoyable playing field. Let's face it, every mmorpg out there or mmo has their nerf bats and many times they hit HARD and make people CRY. But, the thing about it is, there will be NEW CRYERS and not the same ones.

I did Know that... but, doing UW for a renewable source of skillpoints is not as efficient as taking a new character building him up and smashing through ascension...

I want to unlock ALL the skills, not just the ones I have skillpoints for... this is why I'm on my 4th character.

And the only reason I brought it up, is the logical progression in people's minds are, "overpowered weapons and elites in Newbie meaningless arenas?" STOP ALL RUNNERS!

There has to be a better way. Ive been through the game already from scratch with one Character and now Im on my second. I got rushed to Droks, put the time in farming so I can have the armor I want, Dyed how I want it. Now Im back in Post Ascalon working through the storyline very happily. I dont PVP because Im not a big fan of it. I really like the PVE side of this game earlier on. I have no intention of PVP ing until well after ascension and I know a number of people with this mentality so please do us a favor and QUITE Nerfing the ever loving hell outta us. If you want to put in level requirements for armor then Id like to see more available armor choices for each level. That was a huge complaint of mine in FF11. And they better all look different. EQ early levels I can buy plate, leather, chain....etc...I can dress myself how I want. Or put your nerfs on the arenas themselves. You enter ascalon arena if your a warrior your a/c is set to 40 if your a mage 25 or so on and so forth regardless of what armor youre wearing so even if you have high end stuff its capped and again leave the PVE ers alone...dude for the most part we're happy. Thanx

Yes, I have raised eight level 20 characters. I enjoy running the game over again with new mixes of skills.

Well,... that is all fine, but not what the problem is. The problem is the growth and maintenance of our community. If new players coming in have bad experiences they may not bother to continue.

Has been suggested, would be great.

Coding could be easy to very hard depending on the database used to keep all the equipment.

I definately agree that there should be a better selection of armor for lower levels, and yes I hate when they all look the same.

Having said that they still should put some sort of level cap for armor. Cmon it didn't take you that long to reach level 20 did it? If you did play FFXI you know at higher levels you could wait months for one drop of special armor. (probably the amount of time it takes to reach level 20)

I honestly don't think that just because a person completes the game that give them the right to have high end armor from the start.

What? Who said they fixed this? No one. My level 14 is still wearing Droknar's armor. My level 8 was still wearing Droknar's armor when the armor exploit was fixed.

Droknar's Armor for lower levels WAS NOT the armor exploit they mentioned.

I'm tired of this stupid argument. Just give the PvP people everything. Max lvl Armor Max level weapons. I am not going to grind this game 4 times just for PvP.

If Anet wants to do something they should unlock everything for the PvP people. Quit trying to combine PvE and PvP it's impossible. PvP people aren't interested in unlocking they just want to fight with max lvl everything. Give them what they want.

Uh this has nothing to do with "PvP people". They already get maxed out armour. This is about the RP character only arenas. Not to mention not everyone is PvE or PvP some are both and they don't want their RP (ie. usable in PvE and PvP) characters rendered useless in PvP.

But the only way to unlock decent skills is to grind the game. That's my point.

ok in FF11 for some missions there was a lvl cap so if you were a lvl 40 character you good do the mission but for the duration of the mission you were reduced back to the cap. DO the same thing with the armor to even it out for the arenas while leaving the people having fun in the game alone. If Im lvl 7 with droks plate on my own playing in the story Im hurting no one. Im having fun and would like to stay that way. Fun for me fair for you yes ???

i have a feeling something about this is being done.. AN hasnt given us a REAL update in 21 days, i repeat 21 DAYS! what else could the updating programmers be possibly spending their time on?

Na, they are probably working on the new Explorable areas.

the thing is Drok's Armor is only a small part of the low level arena problem. The greater problem is the Elite skills (or to be more appropriate those skills available only after Droknar's).

We can all agree that skills play a tremendous role in the outcome of battles, much more then a weapon or armor does. Elite skills are already differentiated, why not make them only available to ascended players? Its tougher when you start talking about the other skills that are encountered after Droknars... perhaps label them as "Veteran" or "Experienced" skills and put a similar restriction on them like "can only be used if char level is > 15". Oh, and make these restrictions only apply to arenas since (as has been stated above) no one really gets up set about uber skills helping you in missions or on quests.

Eliminate the skills from the arenas and the newbies won't get easily discouraged

Eliminate skills? Then how will people fight without skills. What will they do emote people to death? I assume you mean eliminate elite skills in low arenas?

just make lower area arena's playable in armor 40 or less and the problem is solved for the PvP people. As a PvE person, I appreciate the access to Droknar when ever I like to go there. Cause the PvE people are not complaining, its the arena battle people that are and its not fair to make the game the way they want it and screw over the rest of us.

Well, said.

Agreed and Id be happy with that solution and the one proposed regarding Elite Skills......maybe you can only equip skills in ascalon, higher skills in yaks.....elite skills in higher up arenas etc.....should work...with I cant remember whjo said the little error msg you cant enter with such and such a skill. And everyones happy...

I play PvE and I'm complaining .....

Maybe there needs to be a Runners Channel so we can all turn it off and never see RUNNING spam.

God, I've stated this before and I'll say it again.

I DON'T MIND THE RUSHING TO THE 1333333333337 AREAS.
I don't mind that you wear your armor in Missions and quests and etc, don't mind that you'd rather play an easy game. That's not the point I'm raising in this topic.

It's all about WEARING that armor and USING the later game skills IN the arena.
You can screw your game as much as you want, just don't use your uber leet armor and skills in the lowbie arenas.

And I don't think the arenas are unbalanced. 1v1, my lv 9 necro can do a pretty good job on any class. So could my mesmer back when he was that low.
Seriously, people that use the Drok armor and skills just to pwn Yak's Bend and Ascalon arenas need to grow up.

So what do you do when you level to 11 in match at Ascalon? Ot Level to 16 in Yaks? Is that not an advantage. That's just as unfai as using drankor's?

Heck, with all of this complaining about anything and everything, seeing the nerf bat everywhere, people need to learn to stop arguing about what they think they want.

Alright, this debate is about limiting items for the lower arenas because of people pwning newbz (for the lack of a better term, not meant to be derogatory) with their uber 15k armor/droks armors/elite skills. If people choose to do this, let them. Why? Because it is their choice of gameplay.

Here are two examples of nerfs / mods done so far.
PvPers can now unlock points with faction with "pwning" peoples for faction.
Item drops have been lowered because of farming.

Because of PvPers complaining about no rewards in PvP combat, they ranted and got what they wanted: the whole faction system. Not that great, but hey, it's there.
Others complained about how farmers were screwing the economy, and the drops were lowered significantly (to my knowledge).

People complain about what they THINK they want. It's understandable that people get annoyed by the 15k/elite skills in ascalon/yaks arena. Its happened to me as well, for no more than 3 days ago I saw a random group all using elites and what looked like the 15k armors. Sure its annoying, but just live with it. Running around with a kleenex looking for a nerf stick because you got your ass handed to you by someone with their elites and uber armors is no reason to base an argument.

No more is it the same for someone to complain about farmers screwing the economy by farming near 24/7. If they put forth the effort to do something, let them. Don't go crying to the developers because someone is playing the game a different way that you are.
But look what happened? The RNG (random number generator) for drop rates was altered, and now drops lessened. And now people who probably complained about farmers are now complaining about drop rates. Don't lie and say it hasn't.

Just read this and look at what is being stated.
People are running to droks, skipping ascension just so they have a little better armor than you would in, say, Yak's Bend or the Ascalon arena. This is their choice of play, and it is no more different from someone who farms/pvps/runs for their enjoyment.

"Just because someone hurt your feelings in a duel because they have progressed further than you is no reason to yell nerf bat."

Go ahead and complain all you want, but look at your basis for a nerf: Someone beat you down because they ran further than you, and spent time to go elite hunting. It is very annoying, point taken, when someone opposing you has this advantage. But isn't advantage and strategy what pvp is all about...?

at the rate nerfs are going, we're going to have lvl requirements on all items, drop rates are almost nothing if you aren't ascended, ascension, you can't zone unless you're grouped because of farming, UW requires full group because of soloers...
With what has happened and what people complain about, I wouldn't be surprised if a number of nerfs are implemented by the time summer is out.
/sigh

["Just because someone hurt your feelings in a duel because they have progressed further than you is no reason to yell nerf bat." ]

That's YOUR OPINION and not mine and many many many others, so in this case your opinion is wrong and ours is right and the ole nerf bat is a commin I can hear it round the bend and I'm very happy with the recent nerfs to drops so there. Pfft!

i got droks armor in the ascalon pvp, and i do it when i bored of missions and its easier to get lvl that way besides missions. and droks armor doesn't mkae it impossible to kill, mesmers can easily kill a drok armor warrior or whatever, so can smiting monks. conditions is the way to kill a droks guy.
but if u wanna make it so low lvls can't have droks armor, make it so u have to either be ascended to wear it, or a str/tactics/etc... requirements that would make the game alot more interesting. ur build would make a huge difference on what type of armor u can field.
now i exploit the use of droks in the ascalon arenas. i was not the first to do it, and i hardly do it. if u want to change the use of droks in pvp, make it so u can't even use the armor at a certain lvl.

FFS, I'm not asking to nerf the goddamn armors and skills and whatever. JUST DON'T ALLOW THEIR USE IN THE ARENAS. Is it so hard to understand?

It's an ill choice of gameplay that ruins the fun of many others. And I'm sure many people agree with me that that choice of gameplay has gone way too far.

Complain about that somewhere else. This is strictly about lower level arenas. Not a rant about if changing something is good or not. I don't think that changing the arenas will change anything at all in the game.

It's not about having my ass handed. I wouldn't mind that if it was in a fair battle. But people insist on getting rushed for getting 1337 skills and armor. Ffs, grow up. And yes, it IS base to an argument.

Said before, this thread is about the lower level arenas.

A "little better armor"? Warriors get 100 armor and that's a "little" more defense? For hell's sake, someone who's going through the first time in their game damage those warriors for 1.

No comments. Nothing like an egostitical quote to make you think you owned the whole point.

I don't think there's an strategy to this. Let's take Lineage 2 for an example. You just can't beat someone who has skills and armor that top yours. The same is true in here. A Droknar rusher warrior needs to do nothing but stand there and take the hits. Even if you focus on him, a healing breeze might just take him to full health. Now you take out all of his comrades. The time you took doing that already got 2 or 3 of your team down. Is this fair? I don't think so.

I don't mind the nerfs. I play for fun. And seriously, Droknar rushers in the early arenas really piss me off.

I'll go ahead and just say again that I support Level caps for armors OR armor rating based on level.

Skills "could" just be limited to what you can get in and up to the arena you're in. It should be a simple matter of an approved list at each point. If your skill doesn't match that list, you're out.

But skill-limits and such could be an awful lot of coding to eliminate loop holes and different bugs that would crop up. So it could be a while before we see this.

If you can't beat them, join them. All these people are doing is enjoying their wealth. Deal with it.

If Arena.net listened to everyone who whines, then nothing would ever happen. Say they made an 'armor and skill cap' for Ascalon Arenas. Someone would surely complain about this and they'd change it back.

If you don't like it, don't PvP. If you want to PvP, get to the Lion's Arch Arena...

Sorry I still dont agree with lvl dependant armor because it nerfs the hell outta poeple who play pve and want the armor there.

Why? I can't think of a MMORPG off the top of my head that doesn't have level dependant or level capped armor. You can play through the game easily with the armor that is representative of the level. You may argue that GW isn't a MMORPG and that could be true but still what's the rush?...pardon the pun.

Since all this is centered around the arena experience and it involves both armors and skills... why not leave the armor and skills exactly as they are. Change the arenas.

Once your character enters a city with an attached arena, you can no longer compete in the previous arenas. So Ascalon is available until you reach Yak's, Yak's until you reach Lions Arch, and so on. Sure there might be some folks that just progress normally through the game and get to Yak's before they would have stopped playing in the Ascalon arena, but those would be the minority. Entering the arena's is alredy checked against level, so why not have it also check to see if you've made it to the city that has the next arena?

So now those folks that choose to go get armor... enter Droks and are flagged as only able to compete in Droks arena. Yes, someone could get run to Copperhammer or Marhan's grotto for the 15k armor without touching Droknars, but the developers can find those "gateway" cities that everyone has to pass through (rankor for example) or areas (Snake Dance) and add that to the list of "If you've been here then you can't go back to xxxx arena".

This follows the progression of the story and flows folks into competing in the higher level arenas AND leaves the low level arenas for those folks that really are low level.

They can enjoy their wealth somewhere else. Just don't ruin other people's PvP experience.

And why don't the people in Drok armors don't go to LA Arena? Because there they aren't advantageous. They can't "pwn" anyone there. C'mon, grow up. I'm pretty sure you're one of them.

Since this thread's topic only mentions the arenas, I don't want to go into too much detail. People who rush to get high end armor I think hurt the PvE end as well. Nevermind the fact that someone has to zone warp them through... It affects the economy because no one is interested in the gathering/selling of materials needed for the the other armor inbetween. If everyone immediately got the best armor and weapons, there really would be no need for any armors or weapon in between. There is no real mutual dependancy on anyone except to be rushed, dyes and high end items.

While I'm not a dev for this game I'm not sure they went through all the trouble to have different armor sets in different level ranges so that people could ignore them and skip to the best.

i find this funny cause for so long poeple are waiting for updated textures for the 15K armors etc ... (now i think they got em all) ... but have all the low level armors no one needs? lol

although it hurts the low level armor material economy it boost new business in community orientated aspect of running, jacks the values of dyes (what is it 20K for black now?), and in all honesty if they close it down, I would just use collectors stuff and save my money. Poeple have knowledge, thats why they dont buy the low armors. if they close it ... people will still ascend and buy runs from ascalon > ascention.

You said it soooooo well, yes, rushing screws with the economy as well by what you stated. Bypassing the need to upgrade armor several times instead of just once. But, fortunately the npc merchant market does flucuate on a few things so at least I can get some salvation from the wasted salvages that I was hoping to sell to other players that don't require 1/3rd the amount anymore.

I still say max damage weapons should require at least a 12, that would eliminate a lot of the buying of just the best weapons in the game in the early stages, putting 12 points into a weapons status takes quite a bit of attribute points that aren't there in the early game.

{ if they close it ... people will still ascend and buy runs from ascalon > ascention.}

Well that's easily closed as well, restrict ascension to lvl 16 or higher. Some things are just going to have to be on a "fixed basis" to bring back equality and eliminate a lot of this running around. Otherwise it's just a world of total chaos and everyone is going in every which a way direction.

I remember the big thing was to get to Yak's Bend for Expert Salvage kits and people selling them for rediculous high prices cause they were there already, then they put in merchants in the lower level areas now that sell expert salvage kits. Now they have done the same with "Rare Material" Npc Merchants, most likely soon "rune traders all right there in Ascalon. Then there was the "fur market exploit", once again people asking rediculous prices for furs. Then they put in a "collector" right there in Ascalon for 4 charr hides you get (1) fur square. And for those that don't know there's still the exploiters who would buy all the charr hides for 30-50gp and then turn them in and then sell the fur squares for 300gp a pop. It amazes me the cheese and greed I see in these games. Just amazes me the "true nature of many people comes out in them." The EVIL the CORRUPTED the HATEFUL and DISGUSTING. lol I see it everyday, and I thought humanity was civilized. lol