The game basically sucks now...

Anet as intheir usual shortighted half assed manner have once again killed this game.

Sure the roll back in pricing was supposed to help people, but reducing prices to the very minimum was stupid. Not only that but they didn't put any kind of limit on what people could buy. Even if prices do not skyrocket comlpletely out of control the sheer profit from 300 to 6K is astronimical even if they sell to traders, especailly if the bought 200 ectos or more.

Having monk runs go from 50K + to zero is also pretty assinine, people buting 10-12 or more, now the traders are completely sold out. Sure some guys got them cheap, but what about the guys that missed out?

I bought RYL yesterday, and even though it is 9.99 a month to play it I am probably going to switch over. It is actually free if you keep taking surveys every month,.

Until Anet stops making knee jerk reactions to every problem that come up this game is going to be completley unbalanced. PvP versu PvE, and now wealthy against Super wealthy against noob.

How exactly did this update help ANYONE but the guys who hapened to be online at the moment it happened and had ehough gold to hoard and hoard and hoard?

Admittedly I bought my fair share of cheap stuff, but who cares? I already had stuff saved up. So does it make it any better? Of course not, but if I didn't then I would be at a "disadvantage" against every other guy that was doing the same thing. So how does that help the game. Forcing guys with hundreds of thousands of gold into thinking that they HAVE to buy things just to keep up with the Jones?

Because undoubtedly a week or 10 days from now whenthe traders are stil out of stock on items peeole can start charging what they want again, and eventually it wil be even worse than it was.

Since the traders won't ever be in stock of an item then how canpeople get an idea of "value"? People always check the trader before buying materials, Bt if they are selling that option is gone, if player need 100 damask to make that Elemetal armor and the trader has none, but would only charge say 300 if he did, what is to say the guy that has 1000 units stored can't charge 100 k for it? Sure you can make Damask, but that takes time and a trip to some collectors not easilly obtained.

When the economy of a game starts overrinding the PLAYING of the game then it is in serious trouble.

I do not see how this helped anyone out in the long run.

As a side note, if the gold drops have decreased as some have alluded to, then that compounds the problem for all the newer guys.

A very shortsighted and extreme move that might eventually make MANY people stop playing this game, and probably make a lot not even start or continue, if they are new to it.

While it is easy to criticize after the fact, and definalteyl hard to please everyone. This move by them was probably the worst option they could have made. A complete reset of item with absolutely no limit on quantities allowed to but.

That would be like Bill Gates saying OK I am going to reset shares of Microsoft at one penny a share come and get them. A very few would soon own all the shares avaialable, and anyone looking to get them in the future would have to pay what the owners wanted. But this is a foolish analogy, since we all know that ecot is more covetted than shares of Microsoft.

No one from ANet has ever taken an econ course, it seems.

What would happen if a government decided to do the same thing to the price of all consumer goods? It's completely assinine. I just couldn't believe it. Dumbass crap I've ever seen.

You're posting on a cold and uncaring internet, you know.

The thing is, though, that I will be much more likely to sell things I don't need to the trader. He is giving decent buy-back prices now. So, many more items get sold to the trader, instead of hoarded while waiting for a buyer--I also will have more money to buy what I really do want, and it's SOO much easier on the storage space!

Apart from the roll-back in prices, which did not affect me since I was at work when it happened, I have to say I am pleased with the update.

It was a very good move, actually. Aside from the bottoming of the prices, now we have reasonable buy/sell ranges. Big thing is for ANet to keep restocking the merchants, much the way todays stores work. If they do this, prices will remain stable and affordable, hoarders will be irrelevant, and everyone can get the things they want/need. Simple really.

I was on when things changed... didn't buy a bloody thing. Didn't need anything, really. Not interested in the 15K armor, my Droks is just as effective, so if I get enough ectos and shards over time to buy a piece, maybe I'll consider it. At least prices should remain reasonable at the merchants for me to change my mind. Am I disadvantaged over the uber-stockers? No, their stock doesn't affect me in any way.

Ok but think about it this way as well.

People were already stopping this game because they couldn't afford
A) any runes
B) any materials
C) any dyes

So in actuality what happened here was REALLY bad for people who were hording before. Some people got extremely lucky and made a fortune at the beginning of the reset.. however for the stability and life of the game this is good.

Once people realize it is pointless to keep the traders out of goods then stock will stabilize, and although a small part of the community totally lucked out and got cheap runes/ecto etc.. the whole game is better as a result.

I was sort of furious at first because I've been trading in ecto and what not (not exclusively thank god) .. but now instead of using it as money i might as well just get enough to get some armor.. it's stupid and I took a HUGE cut while some people made a fortune.

However I totally see the good in this.

I didn't like the prices of black dye. Totally stupid. It's not like I don't have the money, but wtf. 40k? When would it have hit 100k? Were you willing to pay those prices?

The reality is that as much as this game TRIES to function like a real economy, there is no taxation and no way to limit the inflation OTHER than setting price caps like this. Therefore it doesn't behave like our capitalist economy in reality. Now it's more like socialism, which I enjoy.

So whatever. That's what I have to say. Some people are pissed, and they will stop playing... but new players and casual players will be much happier. I am happy. I am sorry you are not, but that's how it goes.

What people gotta realize is that some of the "rich" took a huge cut here. We'll get over it, but yeah. Stupid cheap ecto :O No more trading in that lmao.

*sigh* they've killed it "again", have they? The poor game.



Settle down people.

Take deep breaths, and repeat any one or all of the following either to yourself or the people freaking out near you:

Video game.
Not important.
Meant to be entertaining.
GP do not have any value.
GP are one step away from being imaginary.
Time != money in a game.
Time spent making game money should be FUN or you're doing it wrong.

You know, I was chuckling at the same thing. It's a zombie game :|~~~

-Diomedes

For everyone that thinks this will eventually stabalize...

For every item you sell the traders at a "fair" buy back that are 10-15 genius millionaires or guilds BUYING those items as soon as they are available. So they are not available to the genral players unless they get there first.

Go check out the rune traders, see how many Superior runes you see. The ones most sought after are SOLD OUT. Rubies and Saphires SOLD OUT (and they have no apparent use in this game) Sure the trrader MIGHT be paying a slightly better range, but if they are sold out then they should be paying A LOT more.

Rbuies were selling for 17770 and he was buying them back for 14608. That is an 82% but back. Rubies were selling for 3800 and he will buy back for 3200, that is 84%. I will buy all day at that reduction in price (unfortuantely they are all sold out) so there is no real sell price for the trader. So when/if the new armor updates happen. Then Rubies will be cornered by a few who have them all. And unless ANet introduces a shit load into the game then people will be charging what they want. Probably 20K plus.

And if ANet does put a lot into the game, then what good was it to have then in the game now for? A useless item that was supposed to be used for trades some will say. Well when they devalue them that much in one fell swoop they completely undermine that argument. Because for them to be a tradeable commodity they have to have a static value. If one minute they are wqorth 15K and the next they are worth 3K that isn't very static. Now granted they were on the rise recently, but that was do to Supply and Demand, not an arbitrary update "outside" of the world they were being traded in.

So if they introduce more it will basilly be another appeasement move to try and satisfy the people that got screwed by this update causing everyone to buy outthe traders at ridiculously low prices, when anyone with a brain will know that those rubies, if needed for armor, will be worth a mint, since everyone will want the new armor when it come out.

If they want everyone to have everything, and if they want it to be easy, just have monsters drop pieces of fissure armor for crying out loud.

And yes, I am the first person to say it is just a game, but it is one that is now not really fun to play. That is why I am probably going to start playing RYL as I said. Because once a game becomes boring and stale there is no need to play it anymore. I have a corner full of games that I beat and now do not need to play. Online games are generally more grand in scale and updating and making them "new" is a opt easier. Granted ANet does it for free, and it is a good thing, because if people were paying for what they got the subscritption reate would surely be dropping.

So, hypothetically, if ANetMart resupplies the merchants regularly (at least twice a week)... what happens to the people with the massive stockpiles?

prices high......... people complaine

prices low.......... people complaine

about the original topic, well, I told you so...

wiz12268

reality check on the rubys for one example

the very lucky few grabbed up the stock for future price gouging

if later they introduce as you said *a shit load*of rubys into the game to lower the price there will be that tiny fraction of a per cent of rich hoarders with a worthless investment who get mad (big deal)

you also have all those who are not rich hoarders happy because they can now get them cheap

i would expect the rubys (and saphires) to drop just in time to be of use in whatever they will be used in

As a matter of fact it really seems that thing are still as screwed as they used to be - only in a different manner.

For example, Fur sells now at 100 gp for a TEN PACK. I mean, who really is ready to sell fur at such a ridiculous low price. I am certainly not, thus I will keep on stocking it. I am sure other people will do the same. Basicially nobody will sell to a trader a these prices, thus nobody can buy stuff because the traders always will be sold out.

Most major runes sell at 25 gp now. Cool, because they sometimes come from a RARE salvage item. A rare item should sell higher than that, IMHO. I'd rather destroy the runes before selling at these prices (I actually do that with most major runes). Same with sup runes. A few days before, the prices were super inflated, now there isn't any reason to sell one to the trader. If they aren't sold out now, they'd sell for like 200 gp.

Can we have a less extreme economy one day?

I believe that'll happen on the day that people stop comlaining and leave the free market alone. (not towards you, but in general)

gw updates...........poeple complain

gw doesnt update........people complain

...

gw nerfs.............people complain

gw doesnt nerf..........people complain

...

im seeing a running theme here....people just like to complain....

*chuckles* I was thinking the exact same thing....

Before I started checking these forums I never paid attention to the cost of anything except new armor and expert salvage kits. Maybe if I stop coming to this forum I can go back to the way it was.

I think all the complaining is hurting the game not the economy, because the economy does not really matter. Who needs 15k armor? Who needs black dye? Who needs Sup runes? If you think about it, nobody needs any of this. Sup runes can be unlocked by faction for PvP, so no you do not really need them. The only reason you might want a Sup rune is for a farming build to make useless money anyway.

Shut up and play.

you guys raise good points. I see people hovering around rune traders waiting for new runes to appear so they can buy them. Its kind of sick actually, but what this is illustrating is how incredibly difficult it is to make any money in this game. Instead of playing the game and enjoying themselves people are becoming obsessed with doing specific lame things to finance the purchase of some outrageously expensive item that will more than likely be worthless come the new expansion. Why do they do this? Because we REALLY REALLY REALLY want our pve toons to be relevent in the pvp aspect. Why? Because for one thing we only get four slots to make toons. For another, a certain emotional connection.

Think about it: the REAL game that is being played is with YOUR HEAD by the developers. How? Because they want you to spend the endless hours farming barren landscapes for 4k an hour so you can afford the weapon so you can last in UW and FOW so you can farm for MORE millions of hours so you can get the armor that looks cool. Not to mention buying the damn runes and dye.

Ask yourself: which is more important to them, pve or pvp? Do they want a pvp game or a pve game, because they are making it undesirable to even keep PvE toons after you unlock what you can with them. You cant customize weapons for pvp only so it cant be this simple. The only edge for pve is getting weapons with the extra damage included on high worth items.

Im sure the poor bastards are scratching their heads becasue they have obviously made a monster they cannot control.

The answer is simple: increase the gold and rare drops, install various monsters to make it harder to farm solo over and over. This way they remove the market on ebay for gold selling (something I imagine they are trying to be rid of), they spread wealth through the economy, and make pve meaningfull again.

Well good golly, Ms. Jones - where did you get that lovely tin foil hat?

They should just make the materials in the traders be infinite and then hoarding is a waste of time. The point was never to create an economy, it was to create a game that is enjoyable to play.

Dan

I agree on both counts with dannyg.

tin foil hat?

Well, obviously, when a.net updates the game with certain things. Everyone does complain. They complain to make it suit themselves.The prices were reset, good, it helps the people who couldn't afford anything now affordable. If you havent noticed the prices of almost everything was jacked up. Silver dye for almost 12k? Honestly, who in the world would spend that much? When the prices long ago was only 600 gold per silver. Black was 4k.. now? 24k+ You just need to realize something, ITS A GAME! You can't expect everything to go right for you. The game is not your life. Big deal. You missed out. That just sucks to be you. Obviously, the people who missed out on this, are the ones who are complaining the most.

Items, weapons and runes have gone sky high as well. Weapons going up to 75k! There weapons that totally suck, and the person selling it, will probably try to sell you out, scam you, your just make you a total idiot. Just face it, the reset was good in a way. And the people who lucked out. Sorry. But get it down, guildwars is a GAME its nothing that involves you using your real money on buying GW gold to get your items/weapons/runes.

Angel, honey... your missing the point entirely

i missed out, and dont really care! because like most sane people here state, its a game. i had bought purple dye with all intentions of dying my armor. but then i saw the price jumped up to 3k! i held it, to sell it and make some quick $. log on yesterday and i could get 150 for it. same deal with materials, i salvage till i am maxed out, and sell them. as soon as i am maxed. i dont hold until the prices go high!

that really made no sense. sorry........

I get the feeling that this game will be well dead within the next few weeks because of this change.

I dont know I hope not. They need to do something fast tho- because no one is selling their stuff to the merchants as planned. I went to buy parchment and couldnt get any, super runes are all sold out too, and the asking price for say, monk protection went from 5k to 20k in three hours.

Yes. A handful of people gaining Gold, the most meaningless and useless commodity in Guild Wars, will surely spell the end of this game. Hell, I bet half the playerbase doesn't even know this happened.

Brilliance. Sheer brilliance.

Umm... I don't know what happened. Could someone tell me in plain terms what this thread is about?

What did I miss that has so many people in an uproar?

First off, in response to the title of this thread, that's ludicrious. GWars isn't particularly gear-based, so no matter how badly the economy gyrates it doesn't have much effect on the kill/gain exp/level/repeat cycle of a character's life.

Now, as to the subject of GWars economy, the problem as I see it is that the ANet team is trying to create a 'real' economy (i.e. a dynamic non-linear entity based in part (or whole) on supply and demand) as opposed to a 'static' economy (e.g. red dye always sells for 300 and always is bought for 200). The problem is, as anyone who deals with non-linear equations can tell you, these types of systems are inherently unstable (the current value doesn't enable you to predict the next value). To add fuel to the fire, you also have human traders each using their own wetware (*wink*) to determine their pricing schemes for the same items, and their prices are variable to the point of where you might as well call them random.

The human traders ANet can't do anything about, but the store traders -are- under their control. They simply have to decide: do they want store traders to have wildly fluctuating prices or not? If they choose to try to code in a market economy I think they'll find that it will be a real headache, requiring constant tweaking to make sure it doesn't generate ludicrous values. Probably simpler just to have a static economy for the NPCs and then let the players buy/sell in the background with a 'what the market will bear' pricing strategy.

For the record, screw RYL. The GMs are assholes, will not help you with problems, in fact one actually told me to f*** off when I asked him something. The customer support is absolutely horrible, the game is glitchy and still may as well be in beta stage, it has nothing to do with skill and is entirely higher lvl will always win. RYL USED to be good, when it was in it's original form. Then they changed it into a shittier, laggier game. PvP in that game is pretty fun though if you can compete because there's actually wars going on.

so people are going to leave the game because of the $ issue? why? its a GAME its about the story and the adventure! not about the money! (imo) if you want to play with money start using the stock market!!!!

need parchment? I have 1000 rolls.

390 gp each.

IGN: Galen Cole

What does a lot of money in this game buy you? For 90k you can buy yourself an upgrade in absorbtion (from major to superior). Is that going to make you win more PvP battles or get you through the Ring of Fire faster? Nope. They seem to have capped prices on items with the update yesterday so that inflation won't run rampant and those who play the game how it was meant to will still have a spitting chance to attain a Superior Vigor.

Do you think Anet is retarded and didn't realize they would have inflation, ebay gold buyers, and heavy farmers? Of course they did. "Godly" in this game means +3 energy and a tad more damage. So basically "Godly" means expensive.

This is game relies more on skill than the time and in-game cash you can put into it. For those who played stock market with the game update yesterday or buy ebay gold, congratulations you have a plethora of worthless money. Now go buy that pretty Fissure armor, dye it black, add a crystalline sword and eternal shield so I can pick you out first with my Air Spiker in the competition arenas.

For the love of everything holy what is everyone talking about?!

The way to fix this should have been the GRADUAL trader price reduction. Not skyrocketing it one way or another. Because then you create a crash or a bubble and we know what happens in each situation.

I have a ton of ecto and I'm not interested in the 15k armor. Will I profit off it? Yes. Do I horde it? No. Will I make a huge profit off it? No.

Unfortunetly, prices rising sharply and falling sharply only profits the very wealthy players and guilds.

Its nice to see though that most of the topics of convo have moved from nerfing a ranger skill that some 1337 players aren't good enough to beat to the state of the economy .

"Damned if you do,Damned if you don't."

A.Net made some changes to the economy yesterday to stabilize the prices away from the 35K black dyes and other such high priced items, but in doing so, the patch reseted all the prices of all items to like 100G each. Yes, even the ectoplasms. So a very select few were online at this moment and hoarded all the superior runes and ectos until the merchant had no more. Those same select people can now sell those ectos for at least 9K. Maybe not 9K, I've seen some people try to sell ectos at 20K each and other hoarders rallied with this person because they believe if the merchant is always sold out then the people will eventually give in and pay this extremly high price.

That pretty much sums it up I think, I missed an oppurtunity in this, but I wouldn't have hoarded the items, just would of bought my ectos and shards just for FoW armour.

Well........ WTB 120 Ectos for 3000g each!

lol RYL is terrible it bombed so bad. I think it got 3/10 in most reviews.

I just wanted to buy a Sup Healing and Sup Divine Favor rune for my poor monk to pve with. If I constantly click on the rune trader, I will see one for sale every 4th-5th try for only 1k-3k or so, but in the time it takes me to scroll down and click on it and click Request quote, some other sob has already snapped it up and I am told it is not available. So I am screwed unless I want to pay the hoarder's price of 20k+ for something the Rune Trader is selling for 2k. Grrr. I guess I have to putter along with my minor runes and hope that after a week or so, the hoarders will be unable to buy the runes as fast as new ones are found and sold to the trader. Time will tell. I sure wish I had been online when the update went through..