(Rant warning) F the bandwagon monks.

F every last bandwagon 105 monk. (oh, excuse me I didnt mean to slight those who think they are special by switching off hand items, sorry 55'ers that goes for you too.)

Its WAY past time for anet to unfark that class. There is no call for monks to be able to solo where no other class even has a prayer of doing so. Prot bond is broken as all hell. I'm sick of all the monks running around pleased with themselves because they too jumped on the bandwagon. I simply cannot wait untill Anet fixes it and those bandwagon monks go back to doing whatever they did before.

Now, before anyone jumps to the assumption that I'm some other class and just jealous, i've been a monk forever, and I was soloing before the 105 went public and EVERYONE and thier F'ing brother made monks. So its not envy. The class is unbalanced and Anet needs to get off thier asses and fix it.

/rant off

No, wait, not quite done.

/rant on

Can someone please explain to me who started this thought that its cool to bring elite skills to the ascalon and shiverpeak arenas? or Droks armor? Am I the only person in this playerbase who thinks thats just plain weak???? Usually the argument is "well you're just mad cause you cant". Wrong, I can, I've got plenty of money with which to do so, I just think its lame as all hell to bring that stuff which does not belong into those arenas, yet another thing for anet to fix..

/rant off

Sorry I lied.

/rant back on

F the TGH forums! Right in thier stupid ears! Banned from that forum because the moderators are all for UAS implementation RIGHT NOW. I even agree, Please anet, pretty please, give the PVP only players who want the game to be like counterstrike or any other FPS (except in 3rd person) thier skills and let them have thier little fights all damn day and get them out of my roleplaying game. Thats right, seperate them, Let PVE characters face ONLY PVE characters in the contest for favor. If the PVP only players dispise the RP game so much that they cant do anything in it more than once without crying about grind, get them the hell out. Grind, ROFL, as if they have the slightest idea about what grind is if they think its so awful in GW...Must have come straight from quake. Yep, banned from a forum because I suggested we talk about something else besides UAS just once....F TGH.

/rant off for real this time.

My monk was created as healer monk, beat the game as a healer monk, and will continue to remain a healer monk.

more power to ya brother.

I'm going to play both, get two sets of armor one for healing, the other for 105/55 build so I can peacefully go play in UW/FOW without having to play and group with idiots.

Ya know, You could do what I did. Find a group of good people to go with, and make them your group. Untill some people stopped playing and some people left to do other things in the game I hung with a ROCKIN UW/FoW Crew... Yea the drops werent as good as I get soloing, but I had alot more fun.

Complete and utter agreement.

(Although, Elistan, as much as I share your views and as much as I personally appreciate your writing, you'll find that the language you used in the above post will get you no love from the GW mods either. Been there, done that.)

It is not Elistan's fault if the mods have a bias

I agree with him too, heck, bring on the faction exchangeable fellblades and stormbows.. PVP only though!

Likewise make all PVE weapons PVE *ONLY*

Just because a stupid arena in some tiny parts of the world has some rules, I fail to see how it should dick-tate the weapon crafting policies for the rest of the world. Likewise I fail to see why PVE weapons should be so bland for the sake of these PVP players and "balance" that I care nothing about.

Yeah I have had a monk forever, but i went into team arenas today and found out you need to always be a necro secondary with lingering curse our use the broken natures renewal. theres so many of the monks it comes down to a game of who has more patients. I even went into the arena with the build, and 4 groups were stuck beating on me while i told that the build i was using and to complaun to anet then i removed my enchantments to die. I find it nice as a grinding build since it takes forever and a day to unlock anything, but in pvp its forcing builds to comprimise stratedgy for cut and dry builds.

Funny, I just made a PvE monk and i'm building a 105er.

It's not bias. It's in the forum rules. I don't think there's a single poster here who can't express themselves without the use of profanity. It actually shows a bit more mettle to do so rather than become just another foul mouthed lemming.

It's time to get PvP squared away so that new builds and excitement can ensue. There are terrific problems with PvP and, hopefully, they will be addressed soon to everyone's mutual satisfaction.

Are you nuts? I have played a monk since that early bird day, and let's be honest ...

... it's always the monk's fault when things go wrong ...

... and it's always the achievement of everyone else when things go right.

I can sing the songs "Call a Target, Soldier", "The Agro Circle is your Friend", and "Let's Recharge for Good Times" all day, but looking at the rate of successfully completing missions, my experience has been PUG 2%, henchies 93% (including the fire island chain).

(*chuckles at Thunderhead Keep*)

So guess what, the henchies are my friends, and I rather get banged by a bunch of bladed ataxes than joining another PUG of L20s that is unable to survive outside Ascalon.

Now you can continue bitching and complaining, but keep in mind that most monks play the game to have fun - just like everybody else. And now they found another way to have fun without having to listening to bozo-talk. Gee ... gotta be nerfed. Oh, and look, the warriors can run to Droknar's Forge ... unpack the nerf bat. I have a better idea ... here, take this shadow staff and stick it up yours where the sun doesn't shine.

Now go back to typing your posts into public chat ... I can see it now ... "LF MONKS TO JOIN MY L33T GROUP, F***ING JOIN, A**HATS"

I think that statement just about discredits the rest of what you said.

Wow someone that has the same views as me. I agree 200%.


Good. Someone that agrees with me.

I fail to see how having other people farming solo affects you in a way so important that you are this emotional about it. Yes, the arena thing is annoying, but no more so than warrior monks who dont bring res signets.

You say they are "imbalanced"? How's that? Do you see parties of 8 of them doing missions? Do you see them soloing Thunderhead Keep? Do you see people trying to get groups saying "GROUP LOOKING FOR ONE MORE 105 MONK FOR MISSION"? Has your Ranger character asked to be in a group only to be told they needed another 105 Monk? The answer to those questions is "no." So where is the imbalance? They are imbalanced because you can make money with them? That hardly constitutes the word.

As I said, I see their solo farming as a good thing for you, not a bad one. I'd say that the 105 monks are responsible for the existence of a majority of the ectoplasm on the market, maybe even an overwhelming majority. If we get rid of the 105 monks and assuming no other solo farm build comes out get ready to pay 50 plat each for ectoplasm. Same goes for all the people who are happy to pay bottom-dollar prices for nice Stormbows and runes.

So... you solod, then other people started soloing, and now it's awful and needs to die?

Sounds a lot like those kids who whine and moan whenever their hobby (like skateboarding) or crappy band (Good Charlotte, etc etc) gets popular and then they don't feel special anymore for being unique or whatever.

after playing a monk from the official launch of GW and being blamed for just everything that goes bad, I find it's just a little compensation that I can farm as efficiently now

People who don't know how to make a winning build for team arena are obviously the ones resorting to ganking. There's no other explanation because if you know what you are doing you can win arena at level 20 anyway.

They used to be alright but personal bias and friendships with Anet personal are starting to cloud their objectivity. They also let fights go on for days then suddenly decide to ban 10 people... so much for consistancy.

Summary of OP: Play the way I want you to play, because it's the way I play.

Same here, and my monk will remain that way.

Pretty sure he's talking about the mods at TGH having a bias.

QFT

Is it really that big of a kink in your gaming time that uw solo'ers exist?

Wow, thanks to those who posted your support. It gives me hope that there are some people who think more about what should be done than what "can" be done.

Now to address the naysayers, I'm not gonna bother with the quote fest that would be so If I leave out your point, sorry.

First, I don't buy the argument that the fact that many of the players didnt appreciate monks justifies anything. I mean really, every class has it's idiots and monks are certainly no different, particularly now that monks are like penisroaches. (wouldnt let me say "rooster"roaches) The idea that you had to put up with being so terribly mistreated as a monk means that the class should be so unbalanced is purely a copout excuse in my opinion.

As far as it being great for the economy, I'm not so sure. Ya, Ecto's cheaper, but for the newer monks superior runes went insane, I havent seen any at the trader since the patch, but before the "fix" for the traders a full set of runes was what? 2x, 3x a guild hall?? Not so sure thats great for the economy, I payed 6k for my first full set of runes.

Someone said something about it being like skateboarding. Well, you may have me a bit there, There was something about being a good monk, because there weren't many about. I dont know that such has really changed, its not like soloing takes alot, but yea, some of the vaneer is gone, say what you will, but had you been one of the few you wouldnt dig suddenly being one of the many, human nature.

Someone else attempted to give me the arsehole by backhandedly calling me a hypocrite because I said I soloed before the 105 went public. It wasnt the same, it was expermenting, not farming, and it wasnt the 105, which in my view is an abuse of a broken skill, say what you will of that, i'll not be convinced otherwise. So, no, its not really the same thing.

To clarify the comment on the TGH forums, I'm really not impressed with the moderation there. First, I was banned because I had an unpopular opinion in contradiction of a very popular. ( on that board at least) poster To put it in perspective for you, imagine walking into the bar on "cheers" and hearing "Norm" Say GO TO HELL ASSHAT! because he doesn't like your opinion, If you answer back you can expect the whole bar to be up in arms. That was a temp ban, my Permaban came after some other asshat made a post which begged anet to explain to him why the game isnt like it was in beta. To illustrate a point I made a thread asking anet why they didnt clearly explain to some folks what beta testing is about, and how beta doesnt always = retail. One of the mods deleted the asshats thread (after I posted mine ) on the grounds that he never posts anything else and it was repetitive, then Lord Asshat moderator deletes my thread and further bans me for reposting deleted material, which of course is false because the material wasnt the same and was posted before the asshat's material was deleted... So yea, If you are looking for a PVP whine fest, head to the TGH, but don't suggest talking about anything else.

Nash, really I expected better than "noob" out of you. Maybe I shouldnt have, maybe anyone who disagrees with you is a "noob". If you're gonna get offensive in a personal fashion I'd hope for something a little more creative.

Whoever stated that my requesting the removal of pvp only characters from the rp game invalidates the rest of my post is clearly someone with no interest in anything but pvp, so I cant say as I really concern myself said opinion. GW could be the best RPG on the net, Its got the potential to have the best cooperative play, but for that to happen anet needs to stop trying to please the FPS crowd and the RP crowd with one combined experience, the two camps will never see eye to eye on whats and enjoyable experience. Thus, the people who whine about the so-called grind in GW will always be cheapening the RP game in thier belief that they should never have to do anything twice, get real.

The anology of the droks/elite clowns in the ascalon/shiverpeak arenas being no worse than a wo/mo who doesnt bring sig is laughably false. The guy who doesn't bring sig can get yelled at and bring it the next time. The guy in droks with the elite skill has gone out of his way (or more likely had someone drag him out of his way) to exploit the fact that new players (who do exist and fight in those arenas) have no means of competing if the playing field is not level. To a man those people will say "well go get the skill/armor, then you can compete." My arguement is that if people werent lame and brining shit to the arenas that does not belong there, everyone could compete and it would be fun. I personally dont go out of my way to have the edge over people in the noob arenas and I still have fun, as much as the high end pvp people complain that its not competitive enough I'd have thought they would do more to foster competition at the entry level of pvp. How many young players do you think get fed up with the lame advantages some people feel they need to give themselves and write off pvp entirely....So no, I belive that is a very poor anology.

Time to get some lunch in me, so I'll finish this post by saying again this game would be alot better if more people thought less about what they can do and more about what should be done.

If you are unsuccessfully soloing as any class type/matchup other than monk, I seriously question your ability to play the game well. My very first character was a ranger mesmer, and she soloed fine up to Lion's Arch without any help or input from whiners, bitchers, griefers, scammer,gangsta's, or internet tough guys.

Curious....

If you ever want some assistance in the game with missions or quests, my warrior/MONK, or my Ranger/NECRO, or my warrior/elementalist would be happy to pee on your misconceptions.

Somehow I think you left out a significant portion of your own responsibility in being banned from a forum that I have never had a problem with concerning SUGGESTIONS WE DISCUSS SOMETHING ELSE. No, it would not POSSIBLY have ANYTHING to do with HOW you went about it

Troll. End of sentence.

That is what you MEANT to say.

Agreed, the excuse I hear sound like excuses from D2 botters. "You could do it so its your fault you don't." For anyone that thinks it doesn't hurt: learn basic economics, you may be keeping ectos price stable but your lowering the general value of gold by the huge influx. Its called inflation.


Again, I agree with this. Theres enough balance problems in higher level competition that Anet really doesn't need a bunch of kids that can't compete at higher levels making problems with the lower levels.

Completely disagree. TGH mods have their opinions but they don't act on them. They lock pro-UAS as well as "whining against whines". They're willing to let in a good deal of flaming because major changes rarely occur without conflict, and they understand that. I commend them for that. Don't bash them because you did something stupid and got banned.

Also, about your seperation. There are some players that play both. We would prefer to play against hardcore pvpers with all the skills than people that can *omg* solo up to lions arch.

They'll never see eye-to-eye because the desires of the two sides are, in too many areas, wholly mutually exclusive. There is no way to resolve the disagreement save to, as you say, separate them completely. This seems terminally obvious and would seem to have little in the way of down-side for either camp, why more people aren't calling for -- more like screaming for -- a PVP/PVE divorce escapes me.

I have to agree with the poster who mentioned the economy. Yes, I did realized you responded to it, Elistan.

Firstly, I am building a 105/55 monk.

That said, I believe this build to be a good thing to the economy. The more of these monks, the more "good" items are flooding the market (just like Dzan said about Ecto), the more prices dwindle. Now, you may say this isn't fair to the casual player, the one who just plays the game and does not farm. I say to you, no, if "EVERYONE and thier F'ing brother made monks" for the purpose of a 105/55 monk, prices will drop fast and they'll be able to afford them easily.

About the monk superior runes, that's a tricky one and one that should see those that hate the 105/55 monk happy. Superior runes are hard to get from the trader for a cheap price, so the soon-to-be farmers have to spend an arm and a leg to build thier monk. The "legit" monks may have an agrument here that they can't complete thier build with doing so too. I believe there sound be superior monk runes left right now, but there are people out there that buy the runes just to resell. One of your guild mates should have either a 105/55 monk or someone who just got plain lucky and found one. Guild mates should be happy to help complete your build.

He's calling for a nerf to the 55/105 monks. I agree with him: protective bond is a broken skill, the 55/105 build is an exploit, and ANet needs to balance things. Saying that isn't trolling just because you and other 55/105's feel threatened by it. Maybe he's a troll, but that issue is a valid topic of discussion.

The cursing, however, only detracts from his point, and criticising TGH mods in a GWguru forum is pointless at best.

Huh? If everyone but you farms, everyone but you will have a lot of money to buy equipment with. The more common cash becomes, the higher the prices go, since gold will drop in value. A few weeks after game release you'd never have paid more than 50plat for anything, yet now you regularly see people selling things for 100plat+20ecto or whatever ridiculous price you can think of. The more money there is circulating around, the more expensive things will be.

It's too bad that solo farming is one of the most effective ways of obtaining gold in this game.
Exploit? An exploit is taking advantage of an unintended feature. I'm sure Anet knew of Prot Bond's power.

Thank you.

Oh and Numa, Sorry if I offended with the cursing, i'm going to chalk it up to not sleeping and having been a Marine, Sometimes we cursed alot, and sometimes I slip into that. I'll try not to do that again.

I have a monk since GW started, and havent bothered to make him into a uber 105 build or a smiter build. Mostly becuase its incredibly lame, and in part these cheesy monk builds are what ruined the game for me.

OK I have cleaned up some of the more colorful personal flames. Keep to topic without insults please and this thread will stay open. If you want to call eachother naughty names ( ), do so in PMs.

I'll keep an eye out here.

I'm not so sure that prot bond was ever intended to cost one energy point while doing it job. That one point changes everything, its easy enough for me to belive that said named one point was an oversight.

Speaking as a monk, of ALL secondary professions, it is ppl like the original poster and many others in this thread that make me THRILLED that monks can solo various places and reap the rewards thereof. After partying thru missions and ea's with the ilk of the original poster, I'd grown tired of the LEEROY JEENKINS approach of dying one's way to the completion of a goal thanks to the subtarded nature of one's available party choices. Anywhere a party is forming, there is one guy without one screaming - " HAVE BEETIN GAEM! AM HEAR JUTS TO KPATURE SKILLZ OR SOEMTING - I R LEET ". This is your sure sign of a your party has been defeated notice in the immediate future if you get this guy. The original poster is probably a local leader of this union. This game is totally balanced. After having to deal with "people" like many in this thread to get to certain points in the game and do certain thing, we can finally do without them and not have to share the rewards with npc henchmen.

Next thing you know, he'll be complaining that everyone can solo Ascention... and its just not fair ppl can do it without him... LMAO.

Yes, and even if Protective Bond was completely removed from the game, the thousands-and-rapidly-increasing of 55/105 monks could still solo farm. Just not the underworld, because they'd no longer be horribly superior to all other classes wrt farming.
Yeah, I'm sure they intended for monks to be completely immune from physical damage by putting on 5 superior runes (one of them a duplicate), and switch between a necromancer item from the newbie quests around Ascalon to bring their health _down_ and an item to give them 20% chance at 17 protection.

Rofl, again with the personal attacks. Of course all those judgements you made of me are valid cause we played together in a group when?? If you've never grouped with me how can you possibly know anything about how well I do in groups? You're right though, there are quite alot of those people who die thier way thru things, or just get lamely drug around, I however was never either of those.

Still, in my opinion claiming that other players aren't good enough to group with as a justification for exploiting prot bond to solo in UW is nothing but a lame copout excuse. A mesmer would have to put up with those same players you so easily disdain instead of teaching how to play game. So why should a monk not have to put up with the same players a mesmer would?? You're logic is flawed. Monks are currently unbalanced. Its an exploit, as I can't make myself belive that Anet ever intended either of the favor dependant EA's soloable.

As far as it being unfair that people can do things without me?? where do you get that from? I'm a monk, I could to this with EASE, just like every other bandwagon person out there. Its not like its difficult when you've got the cookie cutter build. Its not a matter of whats fair or unfair to me, its a matter of whats balanced and unbalanced in the game, and right now, monks are unbalanced.

Its monks like you that make me THRILLED that my guild has plenty of monks so I never have to rely on elitists. Honestly, after playing a monk through the game and capping all monk skills, I completely disagree that monks are the most overworked and underappreciated. They are the most overworked and overappreciated. You can do missions without them.

While I agree that some of the 105-ers may be previously-set-upon Monks who were always on the receiving end of criticism from poor players and are now laughing their way to the bank, I suspect the majority of 105-ers have never played a Monk in their lives until it became known that doing so could result in easy money.

Such is the way of this game. Once it became known that running was profitable, everyone and their brother built runners. Now, UW farming as a Monk is the pathway to easy cash, so that's what everyone's doing. And when the next "big money maker" build comes along, you'll see an increase in the numbers for that build, as well.

In other words, the prevalance of Monk farmers has little to do with retribution for putting up with loser PCs, and everything to do with getting rich quick.

translation: "I'm sick of dying of jealousy because some people still have something fun to do in PvE, while I don't?"

Pathetic post, no other comment to the OP.

P.S. I'm one of those that made their monk wayyy before I even learned what farming is. Being sick tired of having to group with yet another bunch of incompetents and jerks to go to UW, I LOVE the chance to explore at least part of it on my own. Not like I get there often anyway, since I play on european server.

Protective Bond isn't broken, PvE is broken. And Underworld especially is a snooze. Rather than beating the snot out of a poor ickle skill, how about Anet implement frequent Enchantment rending/shattering/desecrating, Energy draining and interrupts, along with a healthy dose of conditions and health degen? Or would people then start complaining that PvE started to get interesting?

I agree that there are many idiotic people making monks for the sole purpose of invinci-farming.

Although I have one, I made my monk on the 3rd day of playing, approximately 3 1/2 months ago, because I got bored of my elem. Hell, I actually had the build working when runes were 1-2k each, and before it was posted.

I really hate all the stupid people playing the monk class now, its emberassing when I see people begging for help when there are PAGES of information, down to the last detail laied out for them.