I used to b in the European server and I loved it while I was going through the PVE game. Eventually I ascended and I realised dragon's lair was empty. When I got to HOH I thought I was in the wrong place as only 2 districts existed and nobody was in them. Surely there would be hundreds of people trying to win us the favour but I guess not.
This lead me to believe I was not even at the right place. After days of trying to form a reasonable group I was advised to switch to american server. Finally I could play my beloved HOH with a good team. Any good members in my guild and on my friend list are on american server even though thy are mostly European. The Europeans are realising america has more people so can get the favour more offen so change to america.
Something must be done as the European server will eventually be empty.
Europe is leaving...
Uncle Goldfish
pyth0n
I would like to say that i am stuck on euro server (used all my territory moves, don't ask) and i am very pissed off. By the time i play most of the misson areas are empty, in tombs there are a few weak Pug's, arena is empty not to mention team arena and because i finished the pve content i don't see any reason to continue playing GW!
Pandanslesdents
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Also EU > US migrating people might wash their hands in innocence, and say they just do it for the game, but they're definately not making the problem any better. In fact they make the game experience for those people that still want to play for their continent less fun, maybe indirectly, but the effect is noticeable, and it's the sort of problem that exponentially gets worse as well. More people leave, playing in EU is even worse, thus even more people leave, etc. If none of those people migrated in the first place, maybe europe would win more. It's usually the more than casually playing people that migrate because they would care more about the favor, and that's exactly the sort of people Europe needs more.
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Probably not. A good chunk of the players who left are only interrested by the PvE portion of the game.
Akimb0
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Originally Posted by Pandora's box
European servers are getting more empty daily:
-Inactive guilds causing -More players to leave guilds which -Makes GvG games more and more impossible -No HoH matches at all for days -PvE players hardly show up anymore to join quests -Too many players allready switched to America In Europe (the district) the game is almost dead. If nothing happens soon European servers may close as well within 2 months...  |
The PvP side basically comes down to whoever has the most gold for good items. ( the best items. )
The whole economy is elitest and Messed up real bad. Its got worse. Players dislike parties due to the poo item dropping style, and you get more/better items if you solo. Stupid stupid game tbh, so much potential and they messed it up.
Akimb0
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Originally Posted by coolsti
This is crazy! Each time I log on to the European servers, there are more and more players (in PVE). The game is steadily growing in popularity still.
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Pandanslesdents
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Originally Posted by Alex Weekes
I'm interested in a few things, and would love to see some good quality (by this I mean some actual data supporting your responses would be great, rather than just opinions that "Europe has nobody playing") feedback from the European players out there:
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Why don't you go ask those questions where they would most likely be aswered : on the europeans forums? Like this one : http://www.france-guildwars.com/forums.html
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stumpy
well if european servers are emptying out fast ... guess I'll go get my sickle and farming boots and jump on the euro servers. 
Alura Pyro
I hope europe gets players back more compitition on pvp would be fun
Sir Skullcrasher
how come euro never get any favor... i thought they PvP alot there?
Red Sonya
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Is Europe leaving? Let me count the number of districts right now, at 2.30 AM on a weekday night:
Ascalon City (pre-searing): 22 districts Ascalon City (post-searing): 29 districts Lion's Arch: 17 districts Seems pretty healthy to me, especially considering the time of day... |
Acheum
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* How often does Europe hold the Favour during your normal play time, and what time is that?
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* IF changes to WaW were made, do you have any suggestions?
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PS : excuse my english, I'm french...
trelloskilos
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ok, i'm getting a little worried now....
It seems the WaW concept seems to have been lost by most European players. Im from the good old UK and i'm frustrated by european players migrating to US servers to 'farm' FOW & UW. The good news is that 105/55 build monks are now nerfed and farming will become more dependent on team work and not soloing. Surely if the european players migrate to the US servers then eventually the euro servers will become ghost towns? I just think this would be a down right shame. Wouldn't it be good if the european players would get together and fight together collectively instead of just converting to US servers and admitting failure? There are many many talented PvP euro players out there. come on guys n girls lets put our euro heads together  |
That's not admitting failure. That's pretty much a realistic summation, considering that US and Korea got hold of the game first, and the ratios of players in those areas is much higher than Europe could ever hope to attain.
Add to that, the language barriers that constrain PUGs in ToPK, and the terrible lag that Europe was enduring, I decided that the server wasn't right for me. No cowardice, no "assumed loyalty", no nothing. I just wanted to experience the game as a co-operative MMORPG. If I wanted to show my support, I'd go watch a football match.
Numa Pompilius
On the other hand, today Europe held favor throughout the peak hours.
Sendai
just adding my 2 cents on this:
it was a worldwide release. I'm french and i even had my preorder key which allowed me to play 2 days before the release.
what happened is that the preorder were available way after the US preorder package but the release itself was the same as any other continent/country...
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what happened is that the preorder were available way after the US preorder package but the release itself was the same as any other continent/country...
Shadowstalker
Not quoting anyone. Or badmouthing any country (except france), Did it ever occur to us americans that europe is in different TIME ZONES>>>> so when the majority of us are on 3pm-12pm(estimated) The europeans are either asleep or working/school. Sorry if that was too simple.
Miraculix
(It looks like european players are way less interestet in pvp than US...)
* IF changes to WaW were made, do you have any suggestions?
The game is called GUILD WARS.
If your guild wins HoH, you get a sigil and can get a Guil Hall. Now you can play GvG, the high lvl for pvp (not counting buying a sigil).
A GUILD should be able to gain favor of the gods and have access to UW/FoW in a pve way:
Say, a quest, were your guild gets favor of one god for access to his realm (for 3 times / one hour, whatever). This quest is repeatable.
Or, there are 6 quests, one for each god. Each gives an item, all six presented to <insert gods name here> gives permanent access to his map.
(or quest has to be done by each primary profession.
Guild log:Miracu Lix has gained Lyssas favor for the guild!)
If the goup entering a WaW map have to be from the same guild, or from guilds with the same favor(s), I leave open.
Just an idea, discuss...
* IF changes to WaW were made, do you have any suggestions?
The game is called GUILD WARS.
If your guild wins HoH, you get a sigil and can get a Guil Hall. Now you can play GvG, the high lvl for pvp (not counting buying a sigil).
A GUILD should be able to gain favor of the gods and have access to UW/FoW in a pve way:
Say, a quest, were your guild gets favor of one god for access to his realm (for 3 times / one hour, whatever). This quest is repeatable.
Or, there are 6 quests, one for each god. Each gives an item, all six presented to <insert gods name here> gives permanent access to his map.
(or quest has to be done by each primary profession.
Guild log:Miracu Lix has gained Lyssas favor for the guild!)
If the goup entering a WaW map have to be from the same guild, or from guilds with the same favor(s), I leave open.
Just an idea, discuss...
Arrow-bow
Oh no! i ahve guestion if my guy is in europe servers and europe servers are closed can i which for america servers?
bele
I've changed to America 15 days ago and don't regret it. Finished 2 chars and waiting 2 days to be able to get in uw fow at impossible hours is not a option.
Numa Pompilius
...and today Europe held favor during peak hours again...
Sol Faithman
And as of Midnight GMT, still holds favour 
Just a shame I waited for 25 minutes to get in a team to FoW only for the team leader to run off and pay........and we found ourselves in UW
TWICE!!!
Rich
Just a shame I waited for 25 minutes to get in a team to FoW only for the team leader to run off and pay........and we found ourselves in UW
TWICE!!!
Rich
Uncle Goldfish
When I was on the european server i had supreme lag problems and after returning to the american they have gone. It seemed as if america was more priveliged than europe so they cant have good servers. mayb this is y peeps r leaving!!
Shanaeri Rynale
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Guillaume De Sonoma
I think that americans are going to the europe serves because when i went there no forgien languages what so ever, but earlier that day i was talking to the frenchies from europe while playing on an american team and that was when i decide to say everyhting in french.
Jay236
[Edit] nevermind.
Red Sonya
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I bet that seeing so many people state that they've never or almost never been to the WaW maps is scary reading to ANet.
The fight for the WaW maps is supposed to be a big deal, one of the biggest carrots to keep people playing, not a non-issue where two side always have access during peak hours, and one side never have access during peak hours. Also, I'm curious... You guys who don't do PvP, why don't you? For me, what has made it difficult for me to get into PvP is the insanely high initial difficulty and the sneaking suspicion that individual (as opposed to team) skill actually doesn't mean anything at all. I had this idea that there should be an arena where you can toy around with builds by fighting hench-teams. And some sort of ranking system so newbie players like myself don't have to go up against the elite. |
GvG is starting to be a joke as well since most people once again are looking for the easy win and just getting people to fight against you becomes another waiting game as well. They should promote random GvG as well or random 8x8 for that matter.
Most people are going to filter to where they get the most entertainment for their time, HOH doesn't do that for the majority of players, thus, many just stick with the PVE game and or random PVP arenas. I've noticed the population of random 4x4 is really high compared to the zones for HOH anymore. The only real value of HOH is the "favor" for UW/FOW, take that away and what is rank/fame worth? There's no prizes, no benefits other than winning sigels and eventually everyone that has a guild is going to have a guild hall so sigils will have little value then as well except selling to npc merchants and with the ability to solo UW, lol, one can make more money doing that than trying to win a sigil. And for most one can make more faction playing in random pvp than they ever could in HOH or GvG. People will filter to what gives them the most for their time played.
Willow
I know when I played Tombs during the PvP extreme event, when one would expect a disproportionate ammount of players of all nationalities, Europe was holding the Hall.
I thought it was darkly funny to see comments from my teammates like:
"We're going to beat those friggin Koreans"
"What? Europe???"
"We're going to beat those friggin... Europeans."
I thought it was darkly funny to see comments from my teammates like:
"We're going to beat those friggin Koreans"
"What? Europe???"
"We're going to beat those friggin... Europeans."
trelloskilos
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And as of Midnight GMT, still holds favour
Just a shame I waited for 25 minutes to get in a team to FoW only for the team leader to run off and pay........and we found ourselves in UW TWICE!!! Rich |
john little
The way i'd tweak the WaW system is to change it from being an all or nothing proposition to a 'if you win you get more time, if you lose your access is limited'. I'd have it so that every player is allowed to enter UW and Fissure for one hour. That time is increased every time one continent/country wins to a maximum of 24hrs. The time counter would only count down once you've entered one of the missions, a fixed time hurts casual players and those that are forced to play on servers outside their region (such as Australians f.ex). The timer would be reset each day.
I like the WaW system, it adds more to HoH. I just feel that at the moment it's too geared up towards all or nothing style play.
I like the WaW system, it adds more to HoH. I just feel that at the moment it's too geared up towards all or nothing style play.
Fantus
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Also, I'm curious... You guys who don't do PvP, why don't you?
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THAT's, in short, why I don't do PvP in Tombs.
Numa Pompilius
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Not unless you call 10pm-2am peak hours...
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Fantus
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Didn't they have favor around 8-ish or so? I paid an avatar for blessings while out PvE'ing, and I don't think that was as late as 10. Might've been though (yes, I play too much).
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Shanaeri Rynale
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It was really good to see a dev turn up and ask us to contribute but I think we now need more than Frog hints to stop people switching. What is going to be done with all this information, that in reality AN must know themselves?
For Goodness sake Anet stop playing secrets with us and let us know why we should'nt switch to the US (and sorry a weekend of favor is'nt good enough if thats what you are planning).
I would humbly request that those who dont know how sparse Europe is and how much the current system is hurting that region Pve(and PVP) wise use one of their switches and find out. Even better if someone from Anet would spend a week or 2 on there and see how badly the current system is working.
Give extra faction/fame bonus's to Favour holders and make access to the FoW/UW unsrestricted so we can all enjoy the most challenging PvE areas of the game.
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Yes, Eu held favor for a long period of time(well 5 hours) but that was the first time in nearly 4 weeks. Mostly it's only been 2-3 hours every 3 or 4 days tho. I suspect the reason is the change in skills so that teamwise it was more level. I don't expect this to remain so, as there are way more teams on the US servers and sooner or later it'll go back to the US having it 20 hours a day.
What I really would like to see are logs of when and where favor changes over a week or even a month. That would give us an accurate picture on which to base our assumptions on.
Numa Pompilius
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Oh, I do PvP - I just don't do Tombs, for reasons quite similar to what Red Sonya wrote in her post above. I tried Tombs a few times and was utterly disappointed by the experience. I do PvP for the same reason why I do PvE - for fun! Tombs aren't fun. It's full of people who don't play to have fun, they play to win.
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Random Arena = generalist builds ftw.
Tombs = specialist builds ftw.
As I am an individualist, RA suits me fine when I want to do some PvP'ing.
spondy
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It'd be much better, going on your idea, if every account had a 'quota'. Everyone has one hour per day to play it, which rolls over to the next day if you don't use your time. If you region wins in HoH you get some more time. To keep the US winning every HoH battle, perhaps give quota rewards to entrants. The quota could instead be for times you may enter UW or FoW. You can enter 3 times each day say, and gain more entry points as your region wins or participates in HoH.
Compte
Hi, I'm french, playing in the euro and also regrets the scarse amount of time euro region is allowed to play in the FoW and UW (5% of my play time and i stack up more than 400 hours).
While the concept of the favor is brilliant, it has really come to a point where euro players have 2 less map contents than americans and koreans. I've heard of many account switchs to US servers as a consequence of this and all in all it IS actually making a leak in euro players...
Yes yes call me a whinner but you'll probably say the same thing if your statues in the temple of the ages where never lit with the favor... Think about it...
I wouldn't suggest dropping this favor thingy but instead a reward based on how much time you haven't hold the favor. Let's say that Europe hasn't had it for 30 hours (which is an average), when they get it, the FoW and the UW would spread MUCH BETTER drops than simply demonic remains all the time (thinking on more gold items/ectos/shards).
This is what i think, hoping that Anet will come by this topic...
While the concept of the favor is brilliant, it has really come to a point where euro players have 2 less map contents than americans and koreans. I've heard of many account switchs to US servers as a consequence of this and all in all it IS actually making a leak in euro players...
Yes yes call me a whinner but you'll probably say the same thing if your statues in the temple of the ages where never lit with the favor... Think about it...
I wouldn't suggest dropping this favor thingy but instead a reward based on how much time you haven't hold the favor. Let's say that Europe hasn't had it for 30 hours (which is an average), when they get it, the FoW and the UW would spread MUCH BETTER drops than simply demonic remains all the time (thinking on more gold items/ectos/shards).
This is what i think, hoping that Anet will come by this topic...
Pandanslesdents
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The way i'd tweak the WaW system is to change it from being an all or nothing proposition to a 'if you win you get more time, if you lose your access is limited'. I'd have it so that every player is allowed to enter UW and Fissure for one hour. That time is increased every time one continent/country wins to a maximum of 24hrs. The time counter would only count down once you've entered one of the missions, a fixed time hurts casual players and those that are forced to play on servers outside their region (such as Australians f.ex). The timer would be reset each day.
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What is needed is an alternative way to enter theses PvE zones that is fair for every PvE players that have absolutely no interrest in PvP playing.
Otherwise, more and more coreans and europeans PvE players will move to the US servers, or will quit playing the game completely. I'm pretty sure Anet/NCSoft don't want that to happen. Loosing many thousands of players that will not buy the future expensions would hurt them bad.
Kabale
I think that would cause a lot of the Euro players coming back to the Euro servers, but also a lot of Americans and Koreans... Don't think it's a good idea... People going back and forth all the time :S
edwinna elbert
Europe held the favor last night for at least six hours (8pm-2am+), and it wasn't Guild teams either, at least not much of the time. To be honest I don't see why Europe can't own the Tombs at this time every day; all the Koreans should be in bed and all the Americans should be just getting up 
Of course, the problem is that the real hardcore mentalist players never sleep...
I've visited (and finished) the fissure countless times and completed the whole underworld once but done the first half of it many more times. I got my Fissure armour (through hard work and item collecting) a few weeks ago.
The most common time for Europe to hold the favour is 2am+, I should really be sleeping at that time, but I'm usually not.
We play tombs every day and consistently get to the higher (golden) levels of the tournament with ease. Our tactics are solid, but when we meet a group with equally good tactics but more organisation, we get smacked down fast.
Of course, the problem is that the real hardcore mentalist players never sleep...
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Hippie Crack
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....and now with PvPX weekend, and the tweaking of skills, it's going to be even more difficult for Europe to get in.
I'm not going to comment on any particular PvP tournament team, but it's a known fact that many PvP teams who gain favour do so by abusing spirit spamming. Now that this is out of the window, the gloves are off. Now, I know nothing whatsoever about how the victorious Euro-guilds like Esoteric Warriors get their results, but whether they are spirit spammers or not becomes a moot point. The reliability of ALL tournament teams has suddenly become shaky, and people encouraged by the PvPX event are forming new teams. Now, the ratio of players on the US and Korean servers to the players on Euro servers is the issue here. A similar pattern will emerge on all 3 servers. New teams, new builds, new developments etc., but due to the smaller scale of players on the Euro server, the number of new teams/builds etc will be naturally scaled down. Only those that have had previous experience in HoH, and who can work around the update will prevail. If guilds like Esoteric Warriors weren't spirit spamming, then Europe have a good fighting chance. If Esoterics and other Euro Tournament winners were spirit spamming, then it could be a looooong time before Europe see favour again. |
Mitsu Bishi
No, EW never used spirit spam, I played against them, I know one of them. They were absolutely against spirit spam, that's also one of the reasons some of them left.
Europe has several good guilds but of course (because of the smaller playerbase) not the depth of the US or Korea. Still I'd say we can compete and if we can hold the favor for about 20%-25% of the time, that would be sufficient enough. At least I'm trying to help as much as possible, won HoH already (not in succession to gain favor though) and will continue to try. If everybody does that, Europe certainly has chances to gain its fair share of UW and Fissure.
Europe has several good guilds but of course (because of the smaller playerbase) not the depth of the US or Korea. Still I'd say we can compete and if we can hold the favor for about 20%-25% of the time, that would be sufficient enough. At least I'm trying to help as much as possible, won HoH already (not in succession to gain favor though) and will continue to try. If everybody does that, Europe certainly has chances to gain its fair share of UW and Fissure.