Europe is leaving...

Don't get me wrong - I wasn't accusing EW of spirit spamming at all. I've never played them, don't know their tactics, or have any knowledge of their methods.

To be honest, though, in light of the recent success that Europe has been having, I'm inclined to say that a fair number of US teams were spirit spamming, and now that it's been nerfed, a fair percentage of once-dominant HoH contenders have become crippled, and Euro-guilds seem to be quick to take advntage. However, EW doesn't seem to be amongst them.

Yesterday, Europe held favour for a respectable time. Personally, (while not wanting to sneer at the Euro guilds who denied the US and Korea favour during this time), I thought that it was likely that it was just an increase in players in the UK playing GW on a Bank Holiday afternoon, while the US was in Monday morning mode, and Korea was largely asleep. If Europe gain favour on September 5th (Labor Day), I will be very, very very surprised.

Sorry to be so sceptical about Euro teams playing for HoH, but I still think the European playerbase is too small to be able to account for an evenly matched 33% posession of favour with the other two regions.

do people actually read posts nowadays

I guess you could have it cumulative over a couple of days... I just don't want UW/Fissure to be 'too easy' to get into, otherwise it loses it's appeal and becomes just another quest just with rarer loot and more XP.

But basically I'm in favour of a positive (you get more if you win) system rather than negative (if you don't win you get nothing) one, how exactly it was implemented wouldn't bother me as much.

Good comments Mitsu. (?Did you know your name means 3 diamonds in japanese? )

I think the current set-up from aNet is very good, although i do agree with a few of the comments about distrubuting Favour more evenly. FoW/ UW should be a privilage and privilages should be earnt. IMO If you PvE all the time with no interest in PvP then why should you be allowed to UW/FoW? It nots difficult to own computer controlled Grifftihs & drakes so why should you enjoy the benefits of greater drops? Contraversial yes, but i think the furnace of sorrows update is for PvE players so there is a UW/FOW type, high level area, for all?

I also agree that Euro server HoH teams are more 'rigid' in their team selection, thats because it's more difficult for Euro teams to earn favour and so many people being annoyed at it.

I personally think its utter crap and that any level of experince should be allowed to play. So much in fact that you can PM me and join in our Guild HoH runs, mostly 8pm GMT onwards. If you need help in anyway in how to HoH, come join our friendly guild group. We have all levels of PvPers from new guys to rank 6+... Promises too that you wont get booted if you do a silly mistake. After all, learning by mistakes is the only way to learn. I'm no PvP master but i consider my skills to be up there and dont have a problem in giving a helping hand to new comers to PvP.

Alternatively just advertise as "New PvP looking for other New players to learn HoH"... You'll be surprised as too how many invites you get for bein honest! And where are you guild members? Surely someone will help you out with a HoH build? This site is also excellent. {OUR guild is open to all players who are mature in nature and friendly, if you missing out on that aspect then pop me a PM}

More often than not i'll boot a 'pre madonna' player shouting 'OMG NOOB you suck!' than someone who is fame 3 and just learning.

My previous posts have be taken out of context. No way should a game instill xenophobia or Racism. However, a little bit of continental competition is healthy! After beating an american guild in the HoH last week was one of the highlights of the game so far... apart from that Gold Perfect 15 always Chaos Axe drop in FoW

Lets see europeans return to the euro servers and give the Americans & Koreans a run for there money

PS... Drops IMO recently has been quite bountiful in UW/FOW, perhaps due to falling numbers in Euro servers and aNet redistrubuting Items... Food for Thought.

Bravo aNet for nerfing spirit spams and invici monks

Let them leave europe. Bunch of lousy traitors.
Will only make the european realm a lot more comfortable with all the not so patient guys leaving for the other realms. Kinda improves the PVE Experience in my opinion.

this was the reason i was against the opening of the migration option in the first place. if you give people a choice more people will go towards the trend. the trend is set by who has favor. america holds favor for longer and more often than any other server so more people are inclined to migrate to the server that holds favor the most instead of accually trying to win it on their own server.

the whole point of guild wars was to battle people across the globe for a reward. at present state there is no need to battle for when you can just switch.

this imbalance in the game needs to be fixed.

To me it's all so "frag tag small arena" style stuff,I can easily get my fill for frag tag quick battles in a small bf42 or css map or even unreal 2 for that matter,the main reason I play Guild Wars is because its "kind of" an rpg that I can play without paying monthly

IF Europe has the favour, than it's always veeeery veery late...
I'd like to have it a bit earlier too...

True,
I forgot to log off last night and when i was logging off at morning in my time 6am (+2GMT)
I saw that we had favor. Funny I was leaving to work.

What a lot of PvP inclined players don't seems to understand is that many PvE players have no interest, I repeat : NO INTEREST in PVP.

They don't want to be coercised into doing PvP fights to access zones that are purely PvE in content.

Oh, and anyone noticed that more and more coreans are also moving to the US servers?

That pretty much sums up my point in a nutshell.

It's not about nationalism, racism, or even just comptetition between three continents.

The HoH/UW & FoW is too closely tied in with PvE. There are people, (myself included) who don't want to be influenced by whetever happens in HoH. They just want to play their game.

Defecting from European servers doesn't make them cowards. They're just displaying their dissatisfaction with the current imbalance of WaW, and going to a place where it affects them less. The only people (it seems) who have a problem with that are your true-blue Americans who can't abide anything that's not within American borders, and Europeans who don't play PvE.

well, that's exactly what i think...
however, if fow has to remain so connected with pvp, they should rebalance something... americans can go daily in fow or uw, while europeans that cannot play at night can go once every week or even month....

did someone already post this??
seems like we have still a chance....

Tbh it will take more than cryptic words from a pretend frog. Why dont they just come out with it??

FOW and UW are pve areas, so I don't think they should open up according to what pvp players are doing. Just make it accessible to people who have finished Hells Precipice I think.

Well... Hard to guess anything from such cryptic comments.... Maybe the Frog thinks Europe will get better and will hold favor more than the US. Wich I think is doubtfull to happen anytime soon.

Will they add something in the game only for the Europeans players? Doubtfull too. The players from the other regions would not be happy about that.

The Frog is certainly not a pure PvE european player ^_^

Myself, I'm still on the Euro servers. I find enjoyable to be able to play in my native language. I'm giving them up to the end of September to come up with a satisfactory solution for us. After that, I'll have to reconsider my position...

Let's not forget people...America isn't just the USA. Its North, South, and Central America. Yes, most of the people in the American Districts are from the USA. I've seen one too many times people using USA sucks, then someone jumps out, "I DONT COUNT, I'M CANADIAN!" So, I suggest everyone use, America sucks..then we can include the other nations in suckage!

You know...I was with you right up until I saw the bit about American borders. Enough with the hate already.

Europe is the best to play in... because they have very few players, they skip to HoH automatically many times. Good Luck finding a decent group though.

Come Back Europe!!!!please!

The Frog is an all powerful being...

His words hold the truth...

Soon it is Europe that will hold favour...

Upon finding the Frog, it will give Europe a great gift that will turn the tide...

All will be revealed....

errr... i hope! rofl! :P

My reasons for leaving the Euro-club:
1. Most friends were in the US-world. If I wanted to do a mission with them, we always had to wait several hours in the International Districts for other players to complete our team. Doesn't work.

2. The change into Spanish/German/Italian/Norwegian/Maltese/Turkish-Cypriotic districts. Just English-spoken districts should've been enough. I don't see any Spanish/Chinese districts on the US-world. IMO having only very few English-districts isn't comfortable. Yes, I can speak French and German (and Dutch) fluently, but I rather concentrate on gaming then searching my mind for the right words (or grammer rules).

So calling me (and others) traitors is a bit harsh.
Having Favor is nice, having ppl online to play with (US-world NEVER sleeps it seems) is better.

Having only read the OP, and a bit of stuff about Europeans going to America I say this message.

I play on Euro servers and the reason for the lack of favour is most European's including myself are lazy. Instead of toughing it out against all the American Giants, ie. Sissy Boys, Nuclear Launched Detected and Hot Sausage, etc. they would rather play on US servers and avoid the hassle.

Any Europeans going to American servers are traitors in the war on terror :-)

(terror-dactyl that is)

Actually I moved from American server to European, I'm pretty happy, we have a fairly good guild, GvG for ~2 hours almost 4-5 times a week, guild is organised...see the thing is...if u want to have fun in European servers...dont just join any guild..like ppl begging u too join their guilds in pre Ascalon..that sux bigtime, join organised guilds and you'll notice things getting to happen...our guild's improving all the time...and so are my skills!

Okay as an Australian and with no server of our own - i use the European server. This usually means that at sometimes of my day and night some towns are completely deserted.

So I thought I might try the Amercian server as I was told that there were more people on line when most of our guild was. However, I subsequently have been advised that if I change back and forth eventually I will get stuck in either Europe or America and then something about favour.

So as a relative newbie to gaming can someone please clarify how favour comes into it. If for example I was stuck on the American server, are you only stuck in one server whilst your country has no favour and can you change back if the European Server has it?

I have NFI - so if someone could calrify it would be great.

Bye for now.

Jodie

Here's how favour works.

In PvP, different competitors try to win a series of rounds. They then gain acces to the Hall of Heroes, and the country that they represent (Korea/USA/Europe- in other words, the server that they play on) gains favour.

Meanwhile, completely seperate to the PvP, all PvErs wanting to access the UW and FoW have to wait until their country holds favour before they can enter (They also have to be ascended).

With regards to the territory change, Anet have permitted all account holders to switch servers a total of 5 times. After this, you get stuck. If you are thinking about switching servers, my advice is to give it a try. If you like it, you still can switch again 4 more times. If you don't, just switch back and you still have 3 more opportunities to switch. - You can change back and forth for a while so that you can be on the server that holds favour, but only for a limited time. Once you have switched 5 times, that's it. - Most people I know have only changed once though, and seem happier on the US server.

To be honest, you shouldn't need more than this. There is little difference between playing the game on the US server to the Euro server apart from more people, more favour, and less lag (In my experience).

For a start, GW is divided into 3 distinct regions that are US, Korea and Europe. These regions have each a number of sub-regions called districts, and if you take the Euro Region, you are allowed to switch to any of its districts at will. While you can do join any district of the region you are in, you cannot join any disctrict from other regions. For example if you are in euro, you can switch to Euro1, Euro2, Euro3,etc... but can't go to US1, US2, Korea1, Korea2,etc. The only way to play in the US districts is to move your account in the US region (and you are allowed to do this only 5 times only).

On top of that, the game feature special zones that can be entered only if your region has the favor of the gods (These are called Fissure of Woe and Underworld). To obtain the favor for Europe, it means PvP groups from Europe must stack a number of consecutive wins in the Arena called the Hall of Heroes.

As a matter of fact, Europe seems hardly enough competitive to hold the favor much, thus European players can quite never enter the FoW and UW.

hope this helps

The Eurpeans servers are now divided into linguistic districts : English, French, German, Italian and Spanish. You can freely move from and to anyone of these when you play on the Euro servers

a quick question: if i change my region to america and stay there, for example, for a month, and then come back does gw calculate this like 1 (or 2) switch or every access is calculated like a switch??

if i go to america and then come back and then go again i get 4 switches, but if i don't do anything after changing region can i stay there for a long period and then come back?

please post your toughts...

Mhhh I play on euro and though I never changed region (and don't want to neither) i'll just post an assumption.

You use one switch any time you change region, independently of the amount of time you play in the new region.

Euro(starting region)->US->Euro->US would eat up 3 of your 5 switches.

Well,
When you change first time you get message that you have 4 times left to change district. When you log in you will be at the district where you did change.
You can be there like month and then change back, but when you change back you have 3 changes left. So each change takes one away...

Hope somebody understands what I mean.

yes ok, so i think i'll change after all...
I just finished today the pve...

Europe is slowly getting lonely further on to the game, sort of from Desert/Droknars and beyond. I'm guessing some people get frustrated for not finding a good team to do missions so they change region to america where more people are there and a better chance to find a good team. My guess.

So you all are going to play on American servers?

If we get no change in the update or non frogeese answer in the next couple of weeks, then I will seriously consider it.

I love playing in europe, you get to meet all sorts of people from very different cultures. It feels a lot more homely than the US does, more like a town than a spawling metropolis, which I really like. So leaving it will be a sad thing to do.

However since I dislike PvP and adore the UW and Fissure there will soon be no option(unless I want to become a Vampire mesmer and stay up past 3am) than me to move.

I don't blame the EU guild for not putting up a better go of it, I'm sure they all work hard it will be purely down to a system that although a great idea is simply not working. Time to change it

For the record a few of us are noting down the times of when and to whom favour goes. we'll publish it in a couple of weeks so people can see actual data and not conjecture. Hopefully that will provide ANet the data they need to change the way it works.

Thank you for clarifying the server issue I havent quite made it to the desert yet and have not acsended so didn't know what favour and the underworld meant. Nearly all my guild have gone to the Amercian Server now.

And I really like playing in the European server and meeting people from such different nationalities. But there was no one and I mean no one on the English server dist 1 when I was playing last week in Druids Overlook, nor Fishermans Haven. Just me and the Henchies. Lions Arch had about 4 people. I guess the time difference from Australia to Europe is a bigger issue than I thought. Not so much on the weekend but mid week is really quiet.

So I think I will join all my guild in the US and play there for a week or so. I think I can change back once more after that having tried the Amercian server first by mistake then going to Europe.

I think ANet needs to provide answers ASAP about what their plans are.

Bye for now

Jodie

i left europe, but i hope to come back asap, as they do something about our situation...

I'm about to do the same thing also, been waiting 3 weeks for a change and no unfroggy answer came up explaining what are the advantages of playing in the euro region...

Honestly i'm not interested in PvP at all, moreover since you read in these forums that if you don't have the standard smite team you'll probably get wiped out badly...

I've been logging favour changes for a few days. This is what the breakdown in time is so far(or at least when i've been on or awake). When I get a couple of weeks data i'll put an analysis up

All times are GMT+1, date format is dd.mm.yy

Time....................................Region.... .........Duration
01,09.05 11:30pm-02:30am......Europe............3 hours
01.09.05 02:30-~7:30am.........America...........5 hours
02.09.05 7:30am-15:00am.......Korea..............7.5 hours
02.09.05 15:00-17:15.............America...........2.25 hours
02.09.05 17:15-19:15.............Europe............2 hours
02.09.05 19:15-00:00.............America..........19 hours
03.09.05 14:00-???................America

Total America 26.25 hours(67%)
...Korea 7.5(19.35%)
...Europe 5 Hours(12.9%)

Of which only 02.09.05 did EU have favour at a reasonable time

Apologies for any maths errors I'll work it out properly in a week or 2.

Indeed...

There's no point to wait for a fix to this, if Anet has solutions for this favor thingy, they should post it clearly and not say it via the frog's cyphered language...

As a matter of fact, i just moved to the us... And will come back to my favorite euro region when things have been fixed.