I love this game but the gameplay needs to be majorly enhanced. I mean, not having the ability to do really basic and essential movements like jumping, swimming, climbing, etc. just isn't natural.
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Jump, Climb, Swim - This Game is Missing Basic Fundamental Human Movements
alestian
Caelib
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Originally Posted by alestian
I love this game but the gameplay needs to be majorly enhanced. I mean, not having the ability to do really basic and essential movements like jumping, swimming, climbing, etc. just isn't natural.
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Aniden
Lots of games don't have those things, so what?
alestian
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Originally Posted by Aniden
Lots of games don't have those things, so what?
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Zai
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Originally Posted by Caelib
It's a GAME ... if you want real life, get out of your chair and go outside.
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Aniden
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Originally Posted by alestian
True, but then again, some games do have these.
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Jump would be nice at the very least though, It's weird not being able to since I am in WoW, lol
Rockfist
I must admit, in today's times, no jumping or swimming sounds entirely foreign to me...
I may just wait a bit on this game.
I may just wait a bit on this game.
Zai
To be fair, it is a hack and slash game, and I can't name one that did have jumping or swimming. Diablo, Dungeon Seige, NWN, Sacred, etc. always rooted to the ground.
alestian
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Originally Posted by Zai
Did you even read what you just posted before you hit submit reply? He's talking about game controls, not a RL simulator. It's very annoying to have an area you need to get just 3 feet below you, but you have to instead run a mile around a looping map to get there since there is no jumping.
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Loviatar
if not having those things is unbearable get something that has them.
very simplesolution with everybody happy
very simplesolution with everybody happy
alestian
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Originally Posted by Zai
To be fair, it is a hack and slash game, and I can't name one that did have jumping or swimming. Diablo, Dungeon Seige, NWN, Sacred, etc. always rooted to the ground.
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Jia Xu
if jumping was set as an actual option for motion, there are LOADS of maps that would have to be thought out again as the characters wouldn't be able to get back out. It makes collisions with terrain a lot easier to resolve if these kind of options aren't present ingame, therefore reducing the traffic between your computers and the servers. Think practically about what you are actually suggesting - most of the maps in GW would have to be redesigned for idiots who think its a good idea to jump into a big crater and can't get back out again.
Zai
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Originally Posted by Loviatar
if not having those things is unbearable get something that has them.
very simplesolution with everybody happy |
Volume II
It's an RPG. I'll bet you can't name more than 5 RPGs where you can swim.
I'll help:
Morrowind
um...
Alright, I'm stumped.
I'll help:
Morrowind
um...
Alright, I'm stumped.
Ranja123
Notice how smooth and beautiful the game is/ plays?
This issue has been discussed in several threads 1 less axis= faster gameplay and easier coding.
adding the 3rd axis adds to clipping problems, being stuck, exponential more code and system resources to play the same game.
Guildwars is not a "typical" MMORPG and some say not an MMORPG at all no matter how foreign this behavior is, it is part of the game.
This kind of game will not be for everyone, if you have apprehension then do not buy it.
This issue has been discussed in several threads 1 less axis= faster gameplay and easier coding.
adding the 3rd axis adds to clipping problems, being stuck, exponential more code and system resources to play the same game.
Guildwars is not a "typical" MMORPG and some say not an MMORPG at all no matter how foreign this behavior is, it is part of the game.
This kind of game will not be for everyone, if you have apprehension then do not buy it.
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by Zai
Why did you even post that?
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Zai
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Originally Posted by Jia Xu
if jumping was set as an actual option for motion, there are LOADS of maps that would have to be thought out again as the characters wouldn't be able to get back out. It makes collisions with terrain a lot easier to resolve if these kind of options aren't present ingame, therefore reducing the traffic between your computers and the servers. Think practically about what you are actually suggesting - most of the maps in GW would have to be redesigned for idiots who think its a good idea to jump into a big crater and can't get back out again.
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First, there is something called bounding boxes which can be placed around pits that would prevent people from jumping in them. Would take a few hours, but a single level design guy could go around the world and add these in no problem.
Next, the game is already 3d, the game is already checking to make sure we are standing on the ground when we walk around, otherwise we would start floating if we walked off a ramp. There are no new checks that would need to be added. There's also already a (kinda) realistic physics engine handling missile flights.
Lastly, see the first thing.
Illiniskippy
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Originally Posted by Zai
No, no and no.
First, there is something called bounding boxes which can be placed around pits that would prevent people from jumping in them. Would take a few hours, but a single level design guy could go around the world and add these in no problem. |
Bad_Monkey6186
So what your saying is...
allow jumping, but put walls up around all the little three foot drops that you are originally complaining about? I fail to see the difference in that.
allow jumping, but put walls up around all the little three foot drops that you are originally complaining about? I fail to see the difference in that.
Zai
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Originally Posted by Ranja123
This issue has been discussed in several threads 1 less axis= faster gameplay and easier coding.
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The only thing in your post that was close to correct was being stuck, and yes there might be some issues with people getting wedged in places when they jump the wrong way, at first, over time those problem areas would be fixed (say during the beta like every other game with jumping, too late now though).
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Vermilion Okeanos
lineage 2 can swim too...
in GW there are not a single place that I know of where your character are completely underwater even by standing. (at least not anywhere that I am aware of)
for jumping... type /jump =P
but really... not needed, not trying to make this game into a FPS.
and climbing... not even FPS have climbing... unless given a ladder or stairs.
in GW there are not a single place that I know of where your character are completely underwater even by standing. (at least not anywhere that I am aware of)
for jumping... type /jump =P
but really... not needed, not trying to make this game into a FPS.
and climbing... not even FPS have climbing... unless given a ladder or stairs.
alestian
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Originally Posted by Volume II
It's an RPG. I'll bet you can't name more than 5 RPGs where you can swim.
I'll help: Morrowind um... Alright, I'm stumped. |
1. Morrowind
2. Wizards and Warriors
3. The Matrix Online
4. World of Warcraft
5. City of Heroes
6. Everquest 2
Come on man, give us harder questions. Hehe
Zai
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Originally Posted by Bad_Monkey6186
So what your saying is...
allow jumping, but put walls up around all the little three foot drops that you are originally complaining about? I fail to see the difference in that. |
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Zai
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Originally Posted by alestian
1. Morrowind
2. Wizards and Warriors 3. The Matrix Online 4. World of Warcraft 5. City of Heroes 6. Everquest 2 |
8. Asherons Call 2
9. Anarchy Online
10. Horizons
11. SWG
12. Dark Cloud 2
13. Ys
14. I could go on all night. These are just the ones I could think up in a minute.
Volume II
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Originally Posted by alestian
Here is the list:
1. Morrowind 2. Wizards and Warriors 3. The Matrix Online 4. World of Warcraft 5. City of Heroes 6. Everquest 2 Come on man, give us harder questions. Hehe |
Heh. Yeah. After I posted that, I started thinking about MMORPGs. Oh well.
Balc
But jumping isnt a major part... I dont see how it would make the game any better then it is. Worse possibly with stuck and getting bugs. I just dont see why walking is such a bit deal.
alestian
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Originally Posted by Zai
7. Asherons Call 1
8. Asherons Call 2 9. Anarchy Online 10. Horizons 11. SWG 12. Dark Cloud 2 13. Ys 14. I could go on all night. These are just the ones I could think up in a minute. |
Murdok
I converted to GuildWars from WoW because of the monthly fee. However, I too find not being able to jump to be very annoying.
epyonwing
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Originally Posted by Volume II
It's an RPG. I'll bet you can't name more than 5 RPGs where you can swim.
I'll help: Morrowind um... Alright, I'm stumped. |
3. RYL Path of the Emporer
4. Kal online
5. Face of Mankind
6. Archiney online
Want me to go on?
Studio Ghibli
If this is a make-or-break feature for you, I think you have larger issues.
Scar006
For the swimm part I just have to say I hated all the Quests in WoW where you had to kill some guys underwater. It was so annoying and i had a lot of problem with targeting the enemies.
also there was a quest where you had to kill some dead marines on boats and this quests was so buggy that i was killed multiple times just because i wasn't able to target something or the target could hit me but it said I had no Line of Sight...
I'm really happy they left the swimming out
and for the Jumping, I was unhappy too at the beginning but after a while you don't notice it anymore, you just get used to it.... But in the beginning (especially if you were playing WoW before) you really miss it.
And i really think the code would be much more complex if they would add it to the game and besides what would be the diffrence in the game especially in pvp?
also there was a quest where you had to kill some dead marines on boats and this quests was so buggy that i was killed multiple times just because i wasn't able to target something or the target could hit me but it said I had no Line of Sight...
I'm really happy they left the swimming out
and for the Jumping, I was unhappy too at the beginning but after a while you don't notice it anymore, you just get used to it.... But in the beginning (especially if you were playing WoW before) you really miss it.
And i really think the code would be much more complex if they would add it to the game and besides what would be the diffrence in the game especially in pvp?
Discord
Now I don't want to insult anyone here or get into a flamefest.
But I think some people are being a bit glib about saying that, "if jumping is a dealbreaker you have problems" or "just get some other game."
Having to run around a gradual hill while mobs fire spells and arrows at you is a bit lame. Arbitrary boundaries cause problems, not the least of which is "suspension of disbelief." That may not be a game breaker. But it does lower the enjoyment level for some people, including me.
As another poster mentioned, maybe it's a coding issue. Okay, no problem. But I don't see why people can't mention it without others trying to make them feel like idiots.
But I think some people are being a bit glib about saying that, "if jumping is a dealbreaker you have problems" or "just get some other game."
Having to run around a gradual hill while mobs fire spells and arrows at you is a bit lame. Arbitrary boundaries cause problems, not the least of which is "suspension of disbelief." That may not be a game breaker. But it does lower the enjoyment level for some people, including me.
As another poster mentioned, maybe it's a coding issue. Okay, no problem. But I don't see why people can't mention it without others trying to make them feel like idiots.
FrogDevourer
Please keep this thread friendly and open minded, or I'll have to stomp it.
If you have arguments, post them. Otherwise you are strongly invited to disagree silently.
If you have arguments, post them. Otherwise you are strongly invited to disagree silently.
Bone_White_Haze
I suspect the lack of climbing/swimming/jumping is due to the way the game is instanced.
There are a lot of places where jumping (say) a wall would hop you clear into the next zone...and defeat some of the mission goals that've been set up, by skipping the mission designer's intended path.
No complaints about it, personally--tho a short jump would be awfully handy as a replacement for a /stuck command, I've already seen several places where a jump would take you on a half-mile shortcut, so I doubt we'll ever see it in GW.
There are a lot of places where jumping (say) a wall would hop you clear into the next zone...and defeat some of the mission goals that've been set up, by skipping the mission designer's intended path.
No complaints about it, personally--tho a short jump would be awfully handy as a replacement for a /stuck command, I've already seen several places where a jump would take you on a half-mile shortcut, so I doubt we'll ever see it in GW.
alestian
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Originally Posted by Murdok
I converted to GuildWars from WoW because of the monthly fee. However, I too find not being able to jump to be very annoying.
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FrodoFraggins
Those are MMOs, this game is free.
The devs put alot into this game for pretty much no monthly return (aside from copies sold).
The devs put alot into this game for pretty much no monthly return (aside from copies sold).
Rizzen Khalazar
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Originally Posted by alestian
Ah, I was thinking of World of Warcraft and I even though I haven't played it, I can't imagine that The Matrix would not have jumping given that lots of it would probably "be" jumping.
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animekat
I came here from COH where jumping is a big part of combat. At first I was a bit shocked at not being able to jump, but really its not that big of a deal. It more or less fits with the game system.
No jump is a bit odd, maybe they will add that later. I would not put this on my top 10 must.
-k
No jump is a bit odd, maybe they will add that later. I would not put this on my top 10 must.
-k
Eskimo Bob
I personaly don't care that there is no jumping. And I hope they do not add it because it would remove alot of stragety in the game. And you will be able to skip to much in missions and such. And could you immagine lining yourself up for a jump when you are laging? I bet it would be the most fustrating thing on the game.
The stragety I am talking about is where you are under a small cliff with enemies up top hitting you. The stragety here would be to get you ranged people to draw there attention and hopefuly stun them for long enough so your melee chars can get up there.
The stragety I am talking about is where you are under a small cliff with enemies up top hitting you. The stragety here would be to get you ranged people to draw there attention and hopefuly stun them for long enough so your melee chars can get up there.
Murdok
Also, like in WoW it is fun to see your character jump and (as with the night elves) do a summersault (sp?). I too hate that you get stuck on little things like bushes or dips in the ground, it gets so frustrating I can't stand it. This game reminds me so much of Diablo II by how the characters move. However, in that game I didn't get stuck on every damn thing all the time. It just goes to show they could have at least done a better job of making the terrain if they weren't intending to allow you to jump.