/signed with permanent ink.
Down with Twinkies! There is a very special place in Hell for all Twinkies.
lower level PvP arenas and those who get "run"...
Teklord
Probably obvious where I stand from previous posts I've made.
/signed with permanent ink.
Down with Twinkies! There is a very special place in Hell for all Twinkies.
/signed with permanent ink.
Down with Twinkies! There is a very special place in Hell for all Twinkies.
zehly
/signed
Just let me go in every once in a while to have fun please?
Just let me go in every once in a while to have fun please?
Lebdan
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/signed
Just let me go in every once in a while to have fun please? |
/signed for the second time
No one will notice
Whispering Siren
/signed... (obviously, i'm the OP, of course i'd sign, but hey, why not sign again?)
johnnylange
I say if you can't beat'em...join'em! There's nothing stopping you from getting the best armor, elite skills, and all that good stuff at an early level too. It's survival of the fittest, you can sit around and rant about it to hell and back or you can get up and do something about it! Take your pick...
Teklord
"If you can't beat'em...join'em!"
This sits right up there with.
"But I was just following orders!"
And last I checked that didn't fly very well, or at all. A person is responsible for their own choices, and I (with many others I presume) prefer not to sink that low and to find a more realistic and acceptable solution.
This sits right up there with.
"But I was just following orders!"
And last I checked that didn't fly very well, or at all. A person is responsible for their own choices, and I (with many others I presume) prefer not to sink that low and to find a more realistic and acceptable solution.
johnnylange
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"If you can't beat'em...join'em!"
This sits right up there with. "But I was just following orders!" And last I checked that didn't fly very well, or at all. A person is responsible for their own choices, and I (with many others I presume) prefer not to sink that low and to find a more realistic and acceptable solution. |
Teklord
That a negative. I don't play lower level arenas, not until such a day comes when they are functional.
Oy, twinkies! <shudders>
Oy, twinkies! <shudders>
zehly
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Not hard to get a new rpg char to level 10 and use the skills from the ascalon area. =P
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(1) Ranger -> Punishing Shot
(2) Monk -> Shield of Judgement
(3) Elementalist -> Mind Shock
(4) Warrior -> Cleave
(5) Mesmer -> Energy Drain
(6) Necromancer -> Spiteful Spirit
... not that I've ever done this or anything... PM me for builds.
Almighty Zi
I hate the 'if you cant beat em join em' attitude. Basically, if the trend continues then the lower level arenas will consist of two types of players - those who have played the game for a length of time and have twinked a new character, and players new to the game who know nothing about droknar's armour, forge runs or have any idea about the higher level skills and are there just wanting to try out PVP. Obviously, the new players are not going to be able to compete with the more experienced/twinked players and their first experience of PVP will be less than enjoyable. Consider the implications that this will have on the PVP game as a whole.
I vote for Armour and skill restrictions on lower level arenas as the only way to fix the problem.
I vote for Armour and skill restrictions on lower level arenas as the only way to fix the problem.
jdwoody
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I guess that means I'll be kicking your can in PvP then.
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-malachi-
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That is doubtful, there are probably alot of people here who don't have low-level characters anymore and you obviously can't compete in the upper level arenas or you wouldn't be a twinkie.
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Isis Snowflame
Yes and No guys. I think the cap needs to be put on the arenas themselves..IE like a message popping up saying sorry you cant enter while wearing / using blank. I dont like the idea of level dependant armors which is a big part of why I LEFT ff11. Let the guys with their fancy armors play with the henchies all they want in the missions. Theyre not hurting anyone. I took 2 characters through to ascension proper and now Im trying out different classes to see how they play through the game. Im enjoying the story so they've been rushed and have droks armor at level 7. Now Im playing back through it mostly on my own or helping new players without the high risk to myself. But they dont compete in the arena. I solo most things so basically please dont nerf my fun. There can be a happy medium for both parties here.
Cheers
Cheers
Evisicator
What you all are forgetting is that who cares if you have an elite you still only have 10 lvls worth of attribute points to allocate so they are not very strong at that point(maybe an extra 15 if you are really good at getting run and do the quest in the desert for the 15 attribute points like I did :P), they are just basically energy efficent at that point. Also there are pleanty of skills that do damage by bypassing armor. SO having AL60 armor doesnt matter anyways.
Sofonisba
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What you all are forgetting is that who cares if you have an elite you still only have 10 lvls worth of attribute points to allocate so they are not very strong at that point(maybe an extra 15 if you are really good at getting run and do the quest in the desert for the 15 attribute points like I did :P), they are just basically energy efficent at that point. Also there are pleanty of skills that do damage by bypassing armor. SO having AL60 armor doesnt matter anyways.
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If there is no tangible benefit then these twinkies won't miss them if there are restrictions to using them, right?
BUT, that premise is crap and you know it.
When a necro uses life siphon + life transfer + parasitic bond or whatever piled on you in Ascalon, no matter if they are only a level 4, you are done for.
When a ranger uses poison arrow + poison arrow + poison arrow, is there a counter to that at that point?
When you are a ranger with all your points maxed in marksmanship, and you are doing 0-1 damage to a warrior with Drok's armor, is that right? Is that proper?
I think not. I'll say it again: If there is no benefit to using max armor/elite skills, then those using them won't miss them.
lord_guru32
double signed i totaly agree with you as pvp is a major part of my play ( i quite enjoy low lvl pvp arenas )
Wyldchild777
Well, read through this thread and decided to add some of my own logic(?) to it.
How about:
The arenas being tied to the areas your character has been to? aka - If your character has made it to North Shiverpeaks, the Ascalon arena is now locked out. Made it to Kryta? Ascalon and North Shiverpeaks is now locked out.
Admittedly, I've only made it as far as Maguuma, and have not participated in PvP, but wouldn't this idea work pretty well?
And, oh btw - /signed. This issue seems to be in need of some addressing.
Merry meet, merry met, merry meet again.
Wyldchild
How about:
The arenas being tied to the areas your character has been to? aka - If your character has made it to North Shiverpeaks, the Ascalon arena is now locked out. Made it to Kryta? Ascalon and North Shiverpeaks is now locked out.
Admittedly, I've only made it as far as Maguuma, and have not participated in PvP, but wouldn't this idea work pretty well?
And, oh btw - /signed. This issue seems to be in need of some addressing.
Merry meet, merry met, merry meet again.
Wyldchild
infernal
/signed
/bumped
Some really great posts here with a sprinkling of 'flame-bait'!
I've really enjoyed this thread.
And.. yes, I agree.. Once a toon has crossed a threshold/checkpoint, they should not be admitted to the lower level arena. Rush all you like, get the best armor and pwn the crap outta titans or w/e, but taking that stuff back to Ascalon is a sure cry-for-help!
Admit it! You're crippled and you need that crutch so bad because without it everyone will see you for the poor player you are.
What can be learned in the lower levels to prepare you for the upper levels?
If you've been doing this awhile, you'll probably learn things about flanking characters, why you shouldn't run (criticals anyone?), better casting orders to maximize effects as well as good experimentation with introductory skill builds.
Throw elites and droks armor into the mix, and kiss that opportunity goodbye on both sides. Maybe that's why there are so many noobs in the upper arenas;-)
Infernal
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Some really great posts here with a sprinkling of 'flame-bait'!
I've really enjoyed this thread.
And.. yes, I agree.. Once a toon has crossed a threshold/checkpoint, they should not be admitted to the lower level arena. Rush all you like, get the best armor and pwn the crap outta titans or w/e, but taking that stuff back to Ascalon is a sure cry-for-help!
Admit it! You're crippled and you need that crutch so bad because without it everyone will see you for the poor player you are.
What can be learned in the lower levels to prepare you for the upper levels?
If you've been doing this awhile, you'll probably learn things about flanking characters, why you shouldn't run (criticals anyone?), better casting orders to maximize effects as well as good experimentation with introductory skill builds.
Throw elites and droks armor into the mix, and kiss that opportunity goodbye on both sides. Maybe that's why there are so many noobs in the upper arenas;-)
Infernal
Sofonisba
True - by using the max armor/elite skills, everyone gets cheated!
No one will find out whether they are a good player, until level 20 arenas--because the rusher has an unfair advantage, and the non-rusher has an unfair disadvantage-- and it skews everyone's perception of their own abilities.
No one will find out whether they are a good player, until level 20 arenas--because the rusher has an unfair advantage, and the non-rusher has an unfair disadvantage-- and it skews everyone's perception of their own abilities.
Moskel
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So, do you support restrictions on that arena as suggested in this thread-- or, are you just posting to describe how hopelessly boring it is to ruin other people's playing experience by winning flawless 40 in a row in a low-level arena?
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PvE is bring what you've got, should you also restrict somebody from doing Great Northern Wall with a max damage weapon, max armor and superior runes? Is it fair to the other people in the party then since they are being helped or does that also ruin their gameplay experience since the mission is a trivial joke instead of a fun challenge?
It only takes roughly 20 hours to play through far enough to get real skills and good enough armor that you can play, sure maybe its not in the Ascalon Arena anymore, maybe its in Yak's Bend now (is that arena still there? I don't PvE much these days).
Mavrik
I was so pleased when the update came out because I had an instant advantage over many who played the game the "right way"
Droknar was spammed with "LFR to camp Rankor!" while I simply had to map jump there as it was on my map from my run to Droknar haha. I even had citadel already to which is another access to the War Camp.
bash me for playing how I want to but I will continue to play it how I want to... solo with droknar armor on my warrior at lv14 through Kryta is SO much fun for me... a lot more fun then being killed constantly while wearing yak's bend armor.
Droknar was spammed with "LFR to camp Rankor!" while I simply had to map jump there as it was on my map from my run to Droknar haha. I even had citadel already to which is another access to the War Camp.
bash me for playing how I want to but I will continue to play it how I want to... solo with droknar armor on my warrior at lv14 through Kryta is SO much fun for me... a lot more fun then being killed constantly while wearing yak's bend armor.
infernal
Wow Moskel.. that post was all over the place;
What do you mean, "Is yaks bend arena still there? I don't PVE much these days!".
Yaks bend arena, like all arenas are PVP and not PVE. I'm sure that must have been a typo=P (and yes, it's still there)
Secondly, you state the help someone has to offer on missions wearing droks, weilding max dam and equipped with elites.
You should really read the thread more carefully.
This isn't about restricting lower levels from having droks or anything else they can get their grubby pb&j hands on. If someone wants to get 'twinked' out so they can feel safer about doing 'The Great Northern Wall' mission (as if it isn't easy enough), then by all means.. 'Twink-away!'. Pathetic, but w/e.
It's about disallowing these toons from bringing all that crap into an arena where it doesn't belong (imho)! If high-end equipment belongs in high-end arena's then it follows that low-end equipment belongs in low-end arenas.
Surely you wouldn't feel too happy about a bunch of lvl 10's flooding LA arenas! And why?
Because you have honor and you want to win an honest fight, right?
Then perhaps the inverse is also true ~
You wouldn't want the lower arena's flooded with pseudo-lvl20s for the same reason: You have honor and want to win an honest fight!
Infernal
What do you mean, "Is yaks bend arena still there? I don't PVE much these days!".
Yaks bend arena, like all arenas are PVP and not PVE. I'm sure that must have been a typo=P (and yes, it's still there)
Secondly, you state the help someone has to offer on missions wearing droks, weilding max dam and equipped with elites.
You should really read the thread more carefully.
This isn't about restricting lower levels from having droks or anything else they can get their grubby pb&j hands on. If someone wants to get 'twinked' out so they can feel safer about doing 'The Great Northern Wall' mission (as if it isn't easy enough), then by all means.. 'Twink-away!'. Pathetic, but w/e.
It's about disallowing these toons from bringing all that crap into an arena where it doesn't belong (imho)! If high-end equipment belongs in high-end arena's then it follows that low-end equipment belongs in low-end arenas.
Surely you wouldn't feel too happy about a bunch of lvl 10's flooding LA arenas! And why?
Because you have honor and you want to win an honest fight, right?
Then perhaps the inverse is also true ~
You wouldn't want the lower arena's flooded with pseudo-lvl20s for the same reason: You have honor and want to win an honest fight!
Infernal
infernal
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I was so pleased when the update came out because I had an instant advantage over many who played the game the "right way"
Droknar was spammed with "LFR to camp Rankor!" while I simply had to map jump there as it was on my map from my run to Droknar haha. I even had citadel already to which is another access to the War Camp. bash me for playing how I want to but I will continue to play it how I want to... solo with droknar armor on my warrior at lv14 through Kryta is SO much fun for me... a lot more fun then being killed constantly while wearing yak's bend armor. |
But this thread is about PVP and lower-level arena's, NOT PVE!!
Noone is bashing you, Mavrik! Instead, we're bashing those who take those advantages into an arena with level restrictions (which makes it's own case for the other 'proposed' restrictions as well) wearing droks armor, using elite skills and equipping some uber-max damage weapon.
Infernal
bobrath
Forget level limits on skills/armor/equipement. All you have to do is restrict access to arenas to those that haven't passed threshold points. You can't enter just as if you were too high level.
Ascalon Arena is for those that have not been to Yak's Bend yet.
Yak's Arena is for those that have not been to Beacon's Perch yet.
At that point, you have eliminated any chance of someone bringing higher level equipment or skills back into arenas but have had *zero* effect on the PvE aspect
Ascalon Arena is for those that have not been to Yak's Bend yet.
Yak's Arena is for those that have not been to Beacon's Perch yet.
At that point, you have eliminated any chance of someone bringing higher level equipment or skills back into arenas but have had *zero* effect on the PvE aspect
Sofonisba
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I'm not really sure its worth the coding effort to put restrictions on the arena, I'm with the 'if you can't beat them, join them crowd'. If you want to play on more even footing pick a pre-made PvP only character and go to the Random Arena.
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What I ask for, and what others ask for, is for you to keep your twinked-butt out of my arena--that's all.
infernal
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Forget level limits on skills/armor/equipement. All you have to do is restrict access to arenas to those that haven't passed threshold points. You can't enter just as if you were too high level.
Ascalon Arena is for those that have not been to Yak's Bend yet. Yak's Arena is for those that have not been to Beacon's Perch yet. At that point, you have eliminated any chance of someone bringing higher level equipment or skills back into arenas but have had *zero* effect on the PvE aspect |
Well said!!
Bravo!
Mavrik
Ah yeah I know no one is bashing me, I've posted a couple times in here about capping lv and armor lv, certain skills from PvP
Now thats a good idea about... ascalon access till you get to yaks, no ascalon access after yaks and so forth... only thing is for the actual (perhaps few) people who are playing the game properly, may make it to yaks and still wish to fight in ascalon, what then? They have not been run, they are playing the game properly... but now they can't go back. Kinda unfair for them...
Now thats a good idea about... ascalon access till you get to yaks, no ascalon access after yaks and so forth... only thing is for the actual (perhaps few) people who are playing the game properly, may make it to yaks and still wish to fight in ascalon, what then? They have not been run, they are playing the game properly... but now they can't go back. Kinda unfair for them...
Teklord
If you play the game 'properly' and the 'right' way, you will already be beyond the level restriction for Ascalon Arena when you reach Yak's bend. I know all four of my characters were. Beacon's Perch is a bit different, you could easily be only 15 or 14 by then, but to that I just say too bad. The idea is for the greater good of the whole Guild Wars community, and that in and of itself is why it should be granted an audience with the developers.
Absolute perfection. As with others, if ya'll wanna make the rest of the game such a cake walk for yourself by all means. Keep it out of the Arenas, there is fun to be had there yet.
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What I ask for, and what others ask for, is for you to keep your twinked-butt out of my arena--that's all.
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johnnylange
lol, I'm surprised that so many take the low lvl arenas so seriously.
Teklord
Can you answer me this one basic question: What is so great about being a twinkie in a lower level arena?
-malachi-
No offense Teklord, but on new characters *I* rush them myself, none of that staying to pre until level 9 crap. I can make it to oasis at about level 15-17 usually, and ascend by about 30 hours (if people actually want to group with someone below a 20 there 
)...so if you know what your doing...oh wait I forgot, most people who get run don't. They just like to "pwn' and talk trash in low arenas because they most likely can't hack it in the regular ones.
/signed (to lock ascalon once you get to yaks and so forth)
)...so if you know what your doing...oh wait I forgot, most people who get run don't. They just like to "pwn' and talk trash in low arenas because they most likely can't hack it in the regular ones. /signed (to lock ascalon once you get to yaks and so forth)
johnnylange
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Can you answer me this one basic question: What is so great about being a twinkie in a lower level arena?
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Ok, I'll let you all in on a little secret...I quit playing in low lvl arenas long before this thread ever came out. Didn't care for ramdom teams and the flaming attitudes everyone had when their team didn't win.
Teklord
What offense is there to take? If your getting rushed for your own purposes and reasons so be it. I only take issue to those that twink out and come to the lower level arenas...
Edit: Cream filling? I'm supposed to understand this term. Must be something new the youth use these days I'm figuring.
Edit: Cream filling? I'm supposed to understand this term. Must be something new the youth use these days I'm figuring.
Sofonisba
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lol, I'm surprised that so many take the low lvl arenas so seriously.
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I totally hear you on the bad attitudes you encounter in the arenas, it does get discouraging.
But I'm with Teklord, there is fun to be had yet in the lower levels, and I have been a part of that fun. I recently leveled both my ranger and my necro out of Yaks with almost the barest of skill sets - and now I miss that arena! (Luckily I've got another ele coming up, she still plays at Ascalon.)
I do look forward to working on them both and becoming a force in the level 20 PvP arena. Slowly adding skills and using my experience to watch how they fit into PvP or PvE or both - you just don't get that with the insta-PvP characters, or the insta-rushed ones either I imagine. (Disclaimer: Not everyone has to play my way, I never want to dictate that way.)
You wanted to know why I take lower-level arenas so "seriously?" Because I take the higher-level arenas "seriously." (As seriously as one can, considering it is yet a game.)
Sofonisba
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Edit: Cream filling? I'm supposed to understand this term. Must be something new the youth use these days I'm figuring.
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-malachi-
No no no, I don't get rushed, I play everymission on a team, participating and I don't skip any missions...still getting to desert at around 15-17 and ascending by around 30 or so hours. I was saying that to tell you that if you play the game 'properly' and the 'right' way, you will already be beyond the level restriction for Ascalon Arena when you reach Yak's bend doesn't work as I can get to the desert without help by 15-17.
Teklord
Ah, so I didn't get a real answer to my question, I understand. Of course to be honest it wasn't like I was expecting a real answer. Hard to give what doesn't exist I imagine.
Edit: Very well then, I was adding in XP from quests. None the less, something for the greater good needs to be implemented.
Edit: Very well then, I was adding in XP from quests. None the less, something for the greater good needs to be implemented.
-malachi-
I agree all the way, its sad that people push people around in the low level areans, I was just trying to point out a flaw a flaw in your math ...but something does seriously need to be done to prevent this stuff from entering the low level arenas. How about the "it removes their armor and gives them presearing armor if they have above the armor in yaks or ascalon" solution?
...but something does seriously need to be done to prevent this stuff from entering the low level arenas. How about the "it removes their armor and gives them presearing armor if they have above the armor in yaks or ascalon" solution?
johnnylange
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Edit: Cream filling? I'm supposed to understand this term. Must be something new the youth use these days I'm figuring.
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Lebdan
/bump
Now that's not evil :< That's plain mean.
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I'm talking about EVIL fun.. I'm talking about:
(1) Ranger -> Punishing Shot (2) Monk -> Shield of Judgement (3) Elementalist -> Mind Shock (4) Warrior -> Cleave (5) Mesmer -> Energy Drain (6) Necromancer -> Spiteful Spirit ... not that I've ever done this or anything... PM me for builds. |