lower level PvP arenas and those who get "run"...

The thing on SS isnt retarded because most necro's in the low lvl arena that have SS are doing upwards of 25 dmg with runes and all and with only a four man team usaully the enemy is spread out a bit so SS isnt as affective.

And I don't believe in the "if you cant beat em join em" thing. I believe use there own stuff against them.

And in the high lvl arena's I don't find it hard to win My pvp charactar on my other account has fame and his guild is ranked. And the thing about the unfair advantage is stupid because in ascolon I dont have an advantage actually I have a disadvantage becuase there are still people who go to great lengths to abtain skill to make super powerfull builds like there was a MM making minion bombs and I've also incountered a biuld similar to a 55 monk.

I'll ask again: Why even put SS into your skill bar if you think it's such a sad skill? Knowledgeable players will freeze (and probably not mouse over to see HOW much damage you're doing/not doing with it), new players will kill themselves.

Please describe the difference, using full sentences and punctuation for our maximum comprehension.

I have a question: If there were restrictions put upon armor and signets of capture--ie, you could not bring what you do currently into Ascalon and Yak's--would you still participate in the lower levels?

When you stated you were "sick" of the upper levels, why was that? Curious, because I would get sicker, faster, of Ascalon, seeing the same scenery over and over...

I'm sorry to say, I suspect twinkies NEED the feeling of pwning n00bz that they know they will encounter once in a while in the lower levels; that they are less than overpowering in level 20 arenas. There can be no other explanation.

/bump and definitely signed

I'm against running through the game in general, just for the record.

/signed

I very much agree! I don't personally PvP very often, but I still think this should be fixed for those who enjoy it. Another problem is that it makes MORE people get run just to "keep up". It's a viscious cycle that needs to be stopped.

First with the SS thing it is a little something to add onto all the degeneration I have on my target foe. At LvL ten I still don't have alot of skills, I'm not like the other people who spend loads of money to get skills for higher LvL arena builds for the Ascolon Arena. So I use SS because it is the closest thing to a degeneration that I have because again other then SS all my skills are skills from Yaks Bend or earlier.

And on the "can't beat em join em" thing. If I were to join them I would go to extreme length's to make a perfect degeneration build that would own the Ascolon Arena along with hiring someone to run the two attribute's quests for me for extra attribute's. That would be joining them. Using there stuff against them would be buying droks armor for defense against those who are going to great lengths to get skills for higher LvL builds. Again SS is the only skill I use that is beyond Yak's. I only use SS on warrior's and casters who are mimicking higher lvl build's. That is how you use their own stuff against them. If the opposing team is not that good I do not use SS on them.


To answer your question yes I would since SS would be the only skill I couldn't use(I did use ether lord for a while but no longer do I use that skill).

The reason I was sick of the higher LvL arena's was the fact that your alway's fighting build's that are mostly the same. What I mean by that is not that everyone is the same but like in the HoH's the group builds are very similar and are repetitive because everyone has something for either Spiker group or or IWAY and so forth. But is the low LvL arena's you don't have as many attribute's as a higher LvL so you are then forced to ponder what you would do and what skills to use.

I feel like your last statement was an insult but I take no offence because I know that if your argument turns toward dagrading someone verbally I believe that you are not able to come up with anything else that could have any relevance in this argument for everyone thus far has repeated just about the same thing over and over. Now to set the record straight when it comes to the low LvL arena's I do not find any joy in killing a person that is new to the game anymore than I find killing a person who has 15k armor and is casting awaken the blood then echoing SS or a monk that is casting protective spirit and healing breaze along with mending and balthazars spirit and essence bond. Again it is more of a chalenge with less then one hundred attribute's.

Now I know that you believe what you believe and more then likely will not change your beliefs and the same is for me you cannot change my beliefs. So I hope that the verbal abuse from anyone will stop so that this thread may stay alive so other people like yourself and like me will be able to post what they believe.

In my opinion, when they enter the arena, all skills are set to an average, and AL is the same for all...I went into Asc arena with my lvl 9 necro, to find a lvl 15 with a victo axe, bulwark, and 15k gladiators with 15k plate helm...

In my opinion, when they enter the arena, all skills are set to an average, and AL is the same for all...I went into Asc arena with my lvl 9 necro, to find a lvl 10* with a victo axe, bulwark, and 15k gladiators with 15k plate helm...

In my opinion, when they enter the arena, all skills are set to an average, and AL is the same for all...I went into Asc arena with my lvl 9 necro, to find a lvl 10* with a victo axe, bulwark, and 15k gladiators with 15k plate helm...

sorry, comp lagged =S

The first post says lvl 15 warrior and the second and third say lvl 10 so which was it because lvl 15 cannot anter the arena games.

Your logic is fundamentally flawed.

You ARE joining them. You couldn't kill them with low level skills, so you DID go to extreme lengths (running, capping an elite at a low level, buying high level armor) to JOIN them in the same thing they are doing, in an attempt to "beat" them.

You claim that you don't use SS on those non-twinked players who are using only low level skills and armor and that (therefore) you do not ruin their game. First of all, having droknar's armor makes THEM less effective against you and it's practically impossible to kill you with any ease (aside from necro, mesmer or smite damage, since that directly affects your health). You have a clear advantage here. Second of all, you're only putting SS on those who are twinked like you are, eh? Well, guess what? That low level, non-twinked, new player standing next to the twinked one is ALSO taking the damage from your SS. Oh... and parties are random, so it's not like that person CHOSE to play with a twinkie!

Now what? Now that person dies (over and over again in every match) and their innocent fun is ruined. What do they do? They do what YOU have done, maybe trying to justify in the same way, maybe not... but then they ruin someone else's fun and the cycle just continues.

All in all, a very sore introduction to PvP for a new player. And it's degrading at a very rapid pace. I don't believe you could find a match that doesn't have at least one twinkie. I dare you to try.

Because of a personal letter from Sofonisba and some thuoght, for this issue has been on my mind for some while and reading all of your talk, I gladly and without regret recant all of my rants on this issue. I now think that elite armor and skills should be locked from low lvl PvP but should not be locked from low lvl PvE(well maybe the armor should). I think now that you should not be allowed to enter the low lvl arena game with elite skill equiped and elite armor on. These are my new beliefs and I wish that you WOULD question them.
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Oh and I'm also on my free time going to the low lvl arena's and going to "preach" against the "twinkies".


P.S. Don't call me Glints Bane Call me the Twinkie preacher.(humor)

who really cares? i mean really. one thing is to cut out running would greatly damage the economy of the game, or even to limit it. how many of you played the game then didnt want to do all the missions agian with your 2nd, 3rd or maybe 4th character. i for one used to run alot but ive retired unless a guild member needs it. but at the same time why should i waste 2 weeks trying to get my latest character up to lvl 20 with droks or even 15k or fow if ive done it 3 times before?

phreakilla, the issue here is NOT people running to get armor and skills for PVE. I have no problems whatsoever with that, and I even helped run a guildie to Droknar's myself, knowing that that player had no intention of playing in arena. I don't think anyone cares, to answer your question.

The only issue is bringing the armor and skills to the low-level arenas, Ascalon and Yak's Bend.

Glint's Bane: Thank you as well for your note. I did not in any way believe I would help change your mind, nor was I really trying. I just wanted you to know why I felt so strongly and why I came off so harshly.

If you really mean to preach against twinkies, please do it here, not in-game. You will get more abuse and ridicule for preaching against the practice, than you ever would for being a twinkie. You can trust me on that.

i totally agree with this..


just to clarify to everyone one more time though

the issue is not with runners and running in general each to their own they paid the money for the game is running is how they want to play thats their decision.

the issue is with people who abuse the low level arenas by going in with droks armour and max weapons and elite skills with the sole purpose of bullying new players. i suppose you could call it griefing.

anyway

/signed

What I ment by preaching it was asking my freinds that are twinkies to stop what they are doing.


Oh and /signed

That Anet hasn't stepped in really is upsetting. Ascalon Arena should be a place for new players to get a taste of PvP, and to have some fuin doing it. It should have PvE rewards (materials like Fur, Steel and such for armours, weapons that are great for low level play and dyes for example). It should be a way to get people into playing PvP, to experiment with their toons beofre setting out.

I am actually in favour ofPvE rewards for PvP, in the arenas. Make arena play a valid alternative to farming, and instead of having 90% of the community farming griffons etc... they could be farming in arenas, making for more PvP players, and making the game environment better.

In order to do it right, either have the arena simply cap the mdamge ranges on weapons, the AL of armour and block skills from outside the area, or most simply, if the toon has been past Yak's Bend it cannotcompete in the Ascalon Arena. Similarly, cap the Yak's arena based on travel through Dreadnought's Drift or the Sanctum Cay mission for example.

I don't think that Anet should cap weapon's smply because at a low lvl like lvl 10 a max weapon does not do max dmg on the contrary it doas below the minimum depending on your attributes. Now Anet should do something similar with the mods because lets say you have Villnars staff(+30HP and +15NRG req 9 curses) then it should be maybe half of the mods if you do not reach the req for the staff. Now on capping depending on where you have been thats just wrong Instead lets say a person at lvl 10 wearing 15k armor and elite skills goes to ascalon arena and clicks on the "enter mission" button on his/her screen a sign then should appear saying something like "You cannot enter because your equipment is above the maximum req for this arena" or something like that.

The Arenas themselves are a Joke in way and I mean all Arenas except TA.This is the reason why there are becoming bad players in the game.I got ran there myself but I am at a higher level past 15 anyway once I get to LA I am usually 15.There s nothing agianst running there to look at the armor and check the place out but in in general ppl would be better players if they took their time and played the game normally.This is the reason there are bad pugs and it is not just the Warriors but they are the majoraity.I go there to check the Ascalon and Yaks arenas out but when I see those in Droks armor I just give up and go play the rest of the game.The only good PvP is GvG there are bad pugs at the HoH as well.The only way to solve this and that is to let higher levels have access to these arenas those that are level 20 ascended play at the Ascalon maybe this would teach them a lesson.I would say no caps just remove them.

Uh...why are we talking about this when the Ascalon Arena and Yak's Arena are gone?

Go ahead, have your low level player ran to Lions Arch so you can go to the battle isles. You're just going to die in every battle. Whereas before there were low level arenas for you to pound on newbies, you don't have this anymore and theres really no reason to go to the arenas at under level 20 now, unless you are doing it as some stupid joke.

Ok first and formost the Arenas are not a joke they are as previously stated there to get newbies into pvp. How is this the reason there are bad players in the game? Most people who play with elite skills and armor have beatin the game(I was one of them). I think letting lvl 20's into the lower lvl arena's would be the death of pvp to a certain degree. There would be no way to try out pvp unless you want to go to the battle isle's and be slaughtered as a noob.

Um one little problem with your post and thats...the Ascalon and Yak's arena's are still there unless A.net took them out today(which I highly doubt).

Um one little problem with your post and thats...the Ascalon and Yak's arena's are still there unless A.net took them out today(which I highly doubt).

Sorry for the double post comp glitch

Oh...sorry I haven't been to Ascalon or Yaks in...forever...

I just assumed that when they said moved all PvP to the Battle Isles...that they actually did that...wierd...

/signed.

It's really weird that Anet hasn't done anything about this issue. I mean, the Ascalon Arenas are a joke right now, but it can often be someone's first entry into GW PvP. What a horrible thought.

In all honesty, it isn't all that important. If pve-tards want to believe then can play pvp by playing in grotto armor with max dmg weapons in the kiddies arena, then let them. You may as well say that groups are unbalanced in Ascalon Arena always as one team inevitably ends up with higher levels than the other etc.

Still the best thing to do is lock the south door of Beacons Perch, require level 16+ to ascend and all is fixed. No more elites from mineral springs or hell area, no more droks armor, no more nothing but regular game content up to ascending. The last preview even the dev stated "at level 20 at which point you can ascend" wonder why they don't enforce this? But, I'm all for slack and make it level 16 that keeps all the players out of Ascalon and Yaks bend arena that would have to ascend if they used my plan to get to droks armor.

Would suck from PvE viewpoint, I like getting the best armor for my new toons, unless I really want the useless "challenge" of running the starter missions with whatever there's available.

Easy fix would be to lock Ascalon/Yak's Bend arena after the char has been to Camp Rankor or past it, so you can still get the better armor, but can't participate in PvP at the lowbie arenas.

No I like the idea of locking everyone out and they play the game as it was created to be played. Each character up the ladder and no jumping 15 rungs to the end game content. (smile)

It was created to be ran through that. Thats why that whole path exists...and ANet has stated that many times. Anyways...I could still get ran from Ascalon to Sanctum Cay, have someone run the mission for me, get to Amnoon, have someone run to all the missions and run them for me, join a group for Dragon's Lair, and boom now I'm in Droks, it just took me a little longer and cost me a bit more, but still possible. And I probably will still be able to go back to Ascalon and kill low level players with my elite skill and drok armor.

Let's not turn this thread into debating running on a whole, that's not its intention - this is about the low level arenas.

Everyone has their opinion about running, myself included, but ArenaNet made it possible on purpose, and they're not going to change it and lose customers.

Please stick to the topic at hand.

I completely agree with Siren on this point. I noticed that AA and YB were beginning to be a problem a couple months after the game was released, and it only increased exponentially once Faction was introduced. Most of the players in those arenas are Faction farming for their account. I sent off an e-mail to Anet and posted here a while back regarding this problem, and pretty much got the same brush off that has been quoted in other posts here.

I have just brought all my remaining characters over to Post, and had planned on putting each one through some PvP action, but as it stands, its just a waste of time unless I do what everyone else is doing and run them for max armor/weapons/skills. Which is not how I want to play this game. If I was just starting out, and entered Ascalon Arena now, I would never play PvP again, thinking I'm just not good enough and it's just a waste of my time and my teammates' time.

That's the real shame, because GW has been my first experience with PvP play and I am glad I managed to put some time in those arenas before they became useless. I do enjoy PvPing on occassion, but only if it's balanced play. Right now, Ascalon and Yak's are completely unbalanced - surprising since Anet always states how proud they are to have created a game based on balance and skills as opposed to time put in and grindfests.

They really need to do something very soon, especially since Factions is going to be more PvP oriented than Prophecies. If they want newer players to buy the sequel/expansion, then they need to make sure everyone has a good PvP experience in the lower arenas.

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For some reason some1 complained about my yaks armour in ascy arena..dunno why :P can't be that bad casue I didn't get it to annoy ppl in arena..

But actually I do think Droks armour in ascy arena is just boring ( although it gets u lots of faction > ) but I think some ppl could even quit because of this. Most ascy arena players are quite new and get fed up with the pvp because they picked the game for pvp purposes...hmm

Exactly. It should be fun and rewarding, with something that may not help higher level folks, but handy for newer players. If the HoH drops Sigils and perfect gold weapons, which are PvE really, why not have low level vE rewards in the low level arenas - it would help entice PvE players to play. Once you get the bullies out at least.

That is a great idea... as soon as the bullies are out (obviously wouldn't work before that).

That thing on PvP rewards would be awesome.

P.S. yeah this is a /bump

I like being a level 10 mesmer with Illusionary Weaponry, so /not signed BWAHWAHWAHAWH