Anet thumbs up on SF but UW nerf?

Witchblade

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

UW is nerfed !

Nightmares at entrance removing enchants

warban

warban

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Im Sorry the word your looking for is Buffed Not nerfed .

Witchblade

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

Anet s doing BS with everything...forcing us to PvP, giving faster XP to unlock skills
We all have em already

Got 2XX pts left
Implementing stupid +50%xp scrolls etc...

How about, a scroll that Ascend a char or that gives a free victory in next PvP match, heh

No more BS Anet pls !!

theVariable

theVariable

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

CA, USA

Knights of the Hokuten [KotH] (hokuten.org)

Mo/Me

Seriously. Why should we care? If you thought you were supposed to be able to solo UW with 5 superior runes and a tiny amount of health, I have no pity for you...

aron searle

aron searle

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

Good

Witchblade

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

No my prob isnt that, actually..

But ppl that want ectos, that s their right, u ll agree ....
Thay cut the only way to get some
Hopefully, i have enough in stash....
But it may increase ebay selling etc to get some...

D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E

D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

eh good news for me; ill start buying everyones at 7K each and wait a few months.

Witchblade

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

might take a while

warban

warban

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Witchblade
Thay cut the only way to get some
Try Grouping with other People.

Witchblade

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

nah i dont care, i ve what i need from UW...
I meant that in general, ectos s value ll raise since it cant be farmed anymore

Ebay gold buyers ll be happy again ..

theVariable

theVariable

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

CA, USA

Knights of the Hokuten [KotH] (hokuten.org)

Mo/Me

You don't need ecto. It's intended to be a gold sink. It allows you armor that's simply a status symbol. So now that people have more of an equal opportunity to get it, everything is fine.

D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E

D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

hey wait i think my perdiction came true; Trap Rangers only for UW, I hate it when i perdict things; The 1K per skill i said came true...

Witchblade

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

i know all that ... but since it is a feature of the game lotsa ppl want, we all know they ll find a way to get it

The guy who REALLY wants it..wont say " nah too expensive now " he ll grab his bot, credit card or something

Anyway thats their prob but, it is as good as removing fow sets, or lower the cost then

Borealis

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Black Rose Gaming

Mo/W

Glad I spent all day farming the uw, I knew they were going to do it too. Damn them.....

aron searle

aron searle

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

GOOD JOB ANET

bet you hate me but i dont care

Mugon M. Musashi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

France (Paris)

BUG

Mo/W

Anet creates gold sinks
then Anet prevents people from farming

one word : hypocrisy

Witchblade

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

agreed ... and know they ruined all trade system
Green perfect crap...

Gustav Gloomp

Gustav Gloomp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Sydney, Australia

well im gonna stop playing gw for a bit now. im sick of it already. Back to WoW i go

Cobalt

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

BAH just another excuse not to bother going in UW!

I really hate that place monsters are to strong the drops are better in pre-seering, you are lucky to see anyone in a group of 8 get a single ecto, when some one does others start leaving because they no it will be the only one, most PUB groups fall apart after first quest if they can make it that far. 9 times out of 10 some one will take the first quest when they do make it that far and end the run because no mortal team could ever do that quest.

ah end rant!

Witchblade

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

this might be the end of Favor ^^

No point goin in there to get a blue chaos axe and a shard

Aera Lure

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

In Baltar's head

Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by theVariable
Seriously. Why should we care? If you thought you were supposed to be able to solo UW with 5 superior runes and a tiny amount of health, I have no pity for you...
I care - but generally about soloing - not specifically about one build vs another. I agree that if Anet thinks its a flaw in what they envisioned for a Monk to run like that well, they have every right to stop it and I dont feel slighted. I however DO wish that Anet take care not to try and remove soloing entirely. You cant always find a PUG that works, you dont always have guild members to support you, and sometimes you just need to not be in a party. I'd just hate to see Anet go nerf happy and make it so the game is just: party, PvP, or stand in town and try to sell wood.

KaPe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

"I however DO wish that Anet take care not to try and remove soloing entirely. "

I don't. Wasn't GW called "cooperative mmorpg" or whatever? Solo hardly counts as cooperative in my dictionary. People want uber solo characters - there are games that allow that.

hahman14

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Dark Faith

R/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobalt
9 times out of 10 some one will take the first quest when they do make it that far and end the run because no mortal team could ever do that quest.

ah end rant!
I beat the Unwanted Guests Quest before. Quite easy actually now that I think of it.
Also Aera Lure, although I hate to solo, because of the fact that I have enough one player games, I do agree with you 100% because I understand that it does happen

Aera Lure

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

In Baltar's head

Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by hahman14
I beat the Unwanted Guests Quest before. Quite easy actually now that I think of it.
Also Aera Lure, although I hate to solo, because of the fact that I have enough one player games, I do agree with you 100% because I understand that it does happen
Cheers a positive reply. I also understand 100% where you are coming from. I dont wish for an uber solo character (never ran the monk build) nor do I wish to diminish the importance of partying (which is more fun when it works). I'd just like to see the game such that if someone finds a need to play a bit solo they can still actually be playing GW and not moving on to something else and think anyone would hope for the same. All good though. Anet does seem to have the stance that the final areas are indeed meant for party-only play and that is fine by me. Leaves other things to do when you cant go there.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by KaPe
"I however DO wish that Anet take care not to try and remove soloing entirely. "

I don't. Wasn't GW called "cooperative mmorpg" or whatever? Solo hardly counts as cooperative in my dictionary. People want uber solo characters - there are games that allow that.
the root problem that causes people to have to solo is that the drop rates are really really horrible in this game.

it is the lack of good drop rates that cause people to have to solo in order to make any money

of course these problems may have now been solved with green items therefore this comment is more so an observation about why soloing was justified despite the devs claiming Guild Wars to be a cooperative game

FrogDevourer

FrogDevourer

on a GW break until C4

Join Date: Feb 2005

In your shadow

Servants of Fortuna

For your information the crappy loot in many places initially comes from solo farming (and especially in the UW which used to be generous). Everything in this game is balanced for a full team. Solo farmers screw up this balance because they receive 8 times more loot than standard players. As a result inflation kicks in and hits everybody and drop rates are reduced everywhere.

The perfect solution would be an auto-balance of the drop rate / party size ratio, but for some reason it won't be implemented by ANet.

Therefore adding disenchanters in various popular farming spots (twin serpent, uw...), and generally increasing monster diversity to increase the difficulty of solo farming, is a good long-term move, and especially in high level places like the UW.

Quoting the release notes:
Quote:
Increased the level of difficulty and reward in The Underworld. Several areas have been updated with new creatures to add variety to fights and emphasize teamwork.
If the average UW player (in a team) actually get decent drops, I'm all for this update.

The endgame FoW armor are supposed to be near impossible to get, and they had become pretty easy to get with an invici-monk. Once the ectos which have been solo-farmed are burnt with a few FoW armors, the market will be more healthy.

Even if I get bored of farming very quickly, I can understand that other players may appreciate this mind-numbing gambling process (do X then Y, get loot hoping to get super ubber item Z, rinse and repeat until exhaustion).

However they will hopefully no longer be able to get 10 times more stuff than a 'standard' player (who plays in team and kill various monsters on various high level maps). Farming should remain profitable but not disgustingly profitable. Screwing up the whole 'economy' (and especially for the average player who can't compete with solo farmers) is assuredly not the best way to reward a farmer for using a stupid copy/pasted build and for killing 2345 zillion times the same monster.

zehly

zehly

Sunshine

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Wired

Daughters of Ananke

Mo/E

Ok guys, come on.

Just because UW is nerfed doesn't mean there isn't another place to farm. I've already found one since the update Just look around you.

Makkert

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

all take a big breath.
yes, they nerfed the hell out of invinci monk lately.
it was the flaw of the game that soloing was more profitable then partying.
I can see that it can be hard to find a decent pick up group. I guess you will have to brush up on your PUG management to maximize your chances of getting a decent PUG. (Maybe a good idea after all to release a PUG management article Frog?). That said, the build has been running loose for weeks, so any smart player should have exploited it to the bone allready.

And farmers are creative. With the coming of 2 high level looot dropping area's, I take a bold statement that someone will find a way to farm the green weapons. And the farm-nerf cycle repeats it self.

TheArrow

TheArrow

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

USA

The Illuminati [Illu]

Mo/

All I have to say is that its about RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing time they did that. No more solo farming for you.

Carinae

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Witchblade
UW is nerfed !

Nightmares at entrance removing enchants
And why is this a problem? Even if you are soloing, just use Spellbreaker on an E/Mo character and kill them before SB ends. Simple Enough.

DarkWasp

DarkWasp

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Paradise

Agency Of Forbidden Fruits [Oot]

R/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by theVariable
Seriously. Why should we care? If you thought you were supposed to be able to solo UW with 5 superior runes and a tiny amount of health, I have no pity for you...
Stole the words right out of my mouth.

Aeryn Dimeneira

Aeryn Dimeneira

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

France

Luxan Forces

Mo/

Well, i can bet that 90% at least of the "soloing monk" don't have any elite skillz, goal was to reach lvl 20 and droknar as fast as possible and once you're there, making as much money and drops as possible, why get an elite when you can kill dozens of mobs at lvl 6 ?

That's were the "true monks" will laught imo, well at least now there will be a full load of M/G ready to group for UW and imo this is not really a good thing, dying in UW is in the air now ^^

Psa

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

In a House

United League of Champions

Mo/W

Let your party die after you get past the beginning and of course w/o rez they are sol , then continue on to smites.

Aeryn Dimeneira

Aeryn Dimeneira

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

France

Luxan Forces

Mo/

lol nice one haha, worse thing is that i'm sure some will do or you'll head "wtb meat group to go to the smites paying well"

jdwoody

jdwoody

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

Austin

Quote:
That's were the "true monks" will laught imo, well at least now there will be a full load of M/G ready to group for UW and imo this is not really a good thing, dying in UW is in the air now ^^
I think it's funny that people believe that all the solo'ing monks will suddenly start joining UW groups. I have solo'd UW and I'll monk for guildies but you couldn't pay me to monk for 7 strangers in a PUG for UW.

Instead of solo'ing I'll go back to my ranger and trapper teams, it's alot more fun...

Charcoal Ann

Charcoal Ann

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

In a World of BADGERS!

Eternal Flame Brotherhood

i really hope that the soloers don't attempt to monk and give us an even worse name...

Divine Elemental

Divine Elemental

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Near Your House

I Used To Own [ IUTO ]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Witchblade
Anet s doing BS with everything...forcing us to PvP, giving faster XP to unlock skills
We all have em already

Got 2XX pts left
Implementing stupid +50%xp scrolls etc...

How about, a scroll that Ascend a char or that gives a free victory in next PvP match, heh

No more BS Anet pls !!
finally some good things made to UW
dont cry if u cant farm ^^

Sekkira

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charcoal Ann
i really hope that the soloers don't attempt to monk and give us an even worse name...
What about the solo monks that got past ascension in a proper group without running anywhere? You know the ones that stuck through the desert and southern shiverpeaks as a healer/protector?

FrogDevourer

FrogDevourer

on a GW break until C4

Join Date: Feb 2005

In your shadow

Servants of Fortuna

Quote:
Originally Posted by jdwoody
I think it's funny that people believe that all the solo'ing monks will suddenly start joining UW groups. I have solo'd UW and I'll monk for guildies but you couldn't pay me to monk for 7 strangers in a PUG for UW.

Instead of solo'ing I'll go back to my ranger and trapper teams, it's alot more fun...
Gotta agree on this. PuG in UW = nightmare. Trapper teams were fun. But even if they could breeze through the UW like or faster than a good balanced team, trapper didn't get 8 times the normal amount of loot.

Fantus

Fantus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

rant

Congratulations to all whiners and "UW isn't meant to be soloed" trolls. You failed to name a single good reason why solo playing even a hard area like UW isn't a legit way to play this game, but you won! It doesn't change the fact that it's utterly lame to force your preferred way of gaming upon others since a game like GW should have a place for all kinds of gameplay from PvP to team PvE to solo PvE (I am actually enjoying all of those). I am quite disappointed of ANet that they listened to guys like you. I hope next time they nerf an aspect of the game YOU liked. Expect me to laugh at you, then, too.

/rant

The rest of the updated rocked, though....