ANET GET IT SORTED!!! TRY HARDER
UW is still being solo`ed
ddoogle
Well Anet has tried to stop this by having the monsters use strip enchantments and changing protective bond BUT today i was in UW and a 105/55 monk tanked the whole place then after i got into a difernt party and another monk did the same... he seem to keep renewing bond with out getting hurt much at all, i have been with 105 monks before the update and these guys did it JUST as easy as before.
ANET GET IT SORTED!!! TRY HARDER
ANET GET IT SORTED!!! TRY HARDER
ddoogle
And P.S no one helped these monks, they did it all on their own.
quickmonty
So once again someone used his brain and figured out how to run thru the maze (analogy to rats here /sarcasim) I guess the "nerfers" will start crawling out of the woodwork screeming for Anet to "fix" it.
Lasareth
Where's the part where you say it took ages for him to do so? Because even though it can be soloed, it's not worth it for those who did it for the money before.
Maxiemonster
Don't blame ANet. This is something very hard to solve. You're probably right, and you can still solo UW after some thinking and trying, but why don't you find a solution if it's not hard?
theVariable
Solution is simple. Party size should no longer affect your drops. Your drop rates should stay static, whether you solo or go with a group of 8. You take away the reason to solo, and then there's no benefit to do so. Except for bragging rights. Which is how it should be.
Of course, an increased drop rate should go along with that
Of course, an increased drop rate should go along with that
mm00re
OMG!!! The shame!! The scandal!! The jealousy of what others can do that you can not...
Dude is this all you can worry about is if someone can solo a part of the game? If they can do this then so be it.
I can solo a lot of the game myself, it doesn't meen that they have to make it so you have to have team mates or henchies with you 100% of the time.
Dude is this all you can worry about is if someone can solo a part of the game? If they can do this then so be it.
I can solo a lot of the game myself, it doesn't meen that they have to make it so you have to have team mates or henchies with you 100% of the time.
Algren Cole
you can solo the entire game...just because the majority of players aren't smart enough to figure it out doesn't mean it's not possible. There is a class combination that will allow you to solo every area on the map. Let's not start nerfing the shit out of this game just because you have problems with someone being smarter than you are.
Sekkira
XD!
OH NOES! PEOPLE ARE SOLOING! QUICK! NERF TIME!
Christ. Tell me why does this need to be 'solved'? Where in 'solo' does 'problem' turn up?
OH NOES! PEOPLE ARE SOLOING! QUICK! NERF TIME!
Christ. Tell me why does this need to be 'solved'? Where in 'solo' does 'problem' turn up?
Arcanis the Omnipotent
I just wish soloers did more for other people and werent just in it for themselves.
This game would be so much better if the community was self servering, not self righteous.
This game would be so much better if the community was self servering, not self righteous.
Ollj
i solo 8 people in the tombs that solo can the uw.
Teklord
Ah what the heck, I don't always have to be proper and nice so...
Where in 'Multiplayer' does the word 'Solo' show up?
Where in 'Multiplayer' does the word 'Solo' show up?
quickmonty
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I just wish soloers did more for other people and werent just in it for themselves.
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And I try not to (mis)judge others.
salja Wachi
STOP THE NERFING!!!!!!
sheesh who cares if someone can solo UW. it does not affect anyone else for crying out loud.
close this whining post forever
sheesh who cares if someone can solo UW. it does not affect anyone else for crying out loud.
close this whining post forever
Algren Cole
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Ah what the heck, I don't always have to be proper and nice so...
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so you want to force people to play your way?
Teklord
Negative, never said that or implied it. Simply used the same line of thinking to make a point for the other team, nothing more nothing less.
BTW, I'm still waiting for the difference between Simulated Intelligence and Artificial Intelligence.
This is why bags of peanuts say "May contain traces of nuts." 
BTW, I'm still waiting for the difference between Simulated Intelligence and Artificial Intelligence.
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If the box says multiplayer we cannot solo? Dont remember reading that fine print.
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Mugon M. Musashi
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Originally Posted by Lasareth
Where's the part where you say it took ages for him to do so? Because even though it can be soloed, it's not worth it for those who did it for the money before.
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sp3ct3r
Nerfing sucks. Cry noobs sucks. If ppl solo, whats the big problem? I dont see anything written in the EULA stating that you cant solo or farm!??!?!... AND i dont understand why is this unfair to other players. Everyone has the same oportunities.
Algren Cole
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Negative, never said that or implied it. Simply used the same line of thinking to make a point for the other team, nothing more nothing less.
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Read a book. I really don't have the time to explain it any further than I already have. If you want to believe Artificial Intelligent actually exists more power to ya.
Aera Lure
Seriously. Who cares? Obviously a lot of people, because this multiplayer vs solo thing is always everywhere I look. Its fine to take sides sure, but imho the game thrives on a bit of build creativity and the ability to play the game a number of different ways. What's with the desire to unify and limit options, calling for a nerf every time something creative happens? Less is not more.
I dont solo with a dedicated solo build - when I want/need to solo I've a few henchmen with me, but if someone wants to and can run around on their own, cheers on them imho. Same for people who only want to PvP, only want to PvE, only want to party, only want to use henchmen, etc.
Just my opinion. Nothing specifically for or against soloing. I just really dont understand the very solid lines drawn in the sand on a couple of these issues. If the box says multiplayer we cannot solo? Dont remember reading that fine print. Main thing against farming was the economic influences and rare availability to non-solo-ers which Anet addressed with chests and green items. I believe some of the earlier nerfs vs monks were simply towards that end, not towards eliminating solo-ing completely. I of course could be quite wrong. Sure would not be the first time.
I dont solo with a dedicated solo build - when I want/need to solo I've a few henchmen with me, but if someone wants to and can run around on their own, cheers on them imho. Same for people who only want to PvP, only want to PvE, only want to party, only want to use henchmen, etc.
Just my opinion. Nothing specifically for or against soloing. I just really dont understand the very solid lines drawn in the sand on a couple of these issues. If the box says multiplayer we cannot solo? Dont remember reading that fine print. Main thing against farming was the economic influences and rare availability to non-solo-ers which Anet addressed with chests and green items. I believe some of the earlier nerfs vs monks were simply towards that end, not towards eliminating solo-ing completely. I of course could be quite wrong. Sure would not be the first time.
zehly
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Originally Posted by sp3ct3r
Nerfing sucks. Cry noobs sucks. If ppl solo, whats the big problem? I dont see anything written in the EULA stating that you cant solo or farm!??!?!... AND i dont understand why is this unfair to other players. Everyone has the same oportunities.
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At any rate, if you can solo it, go for it. If I had more time, I'd do it, but now that PvP rewards are higher, I'd rather just PvP and play in SF with some guildies.
Dude... UW IS LIKE SO LAST WEEK!
Saerden
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Originally Posted by theVariable
Solution is simple. Party size should no longer affect your drops. Your drop rates should stay static, whether you solo or go with a group of 8. You take away the reason to solo, and then there's no benefit to do so. Except for bragging rights. Which is how it should be.
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Too bad that up until pvpx faction farming (300k faction for the weekend was the best, i hear), solo play was superior for everything except sight seeing ... well and rushing. Why do you get more rewards (xp/time, gold/time, unlock/time) when you DONT party with other humans (or even bots)??? This is a team game, so why make teamwork undesirable? You need a guild team to reach the efficiency of henchmen for most missions, and if you look at it, ignoring them will yield better results. You only need to make it to Ring of Fire, hell, ascension is enough to solo UW (back when it was easy)...
Why is it that every single style of play exept Roleplaying the story is more efficient when you do it alone? Efficient as in tangible benefit for a competitive game with a ladder, and possibly tournaments with monetary rewards later on?
The response of ANET: attempts to make solo play worse. well its no longer 100 times as efficient (riverside) but only 10 times as good (griffon / trolls for xp and gold). I have no idea wether UW solo was better then riverside xp/goldwise. I doubt a guild team running UW can outxp my lowly farmer by a margin that is reasonable for the time and effort it takes to get 8 elite players.
Ironman mode in GW: doing everything with PUGs.
Teufel Eldritch
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Originally Posted by theVariable
Solution is simple. Party size should no longer affect your drops. Your drop rates should stay static, whether you solo or go with a group of 8. You take away the reason to solo, and then there's no benefit to do so. Except for bragging rights. Which is how it should be.
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Draygo Korvan
instead of reducing the number of drops how about they just use a scalable chance to get a rare or unique item. Less in your party = less rare items more in your party you have a higher chance of getting a rare item.
Here is the thing about soloing. Its slow. It takes far more time to solo a bunch of monsters than it takes to blow through them quickly with 7 more people. However I do not think people should be punished for taking a 5 man team out when you can take 6. After all they are going to have to fight longer and harder for things because they dont have additonal people to lay down the hurt.
Here is the thing about soloing. Its slow. It takes far more time to solo a bunch of monsters than it takes to blow through them quickly with 7 more people. However I do not think people should be punished for taking a 5 man team out when you can take 6. After all they are going to have to fight longer and harder for things because they dont have additonal people to lay down the hurt.
Xonic
"UW is still being solo`ed"
So?
I really don't care.
edit: IF, the maps are Not instanced and the solo'er occupied the mobs all by themselves and leaving me NO mobs to kill, I will care. Otherwise, it doesn't affect me a bit.
So?
I really don't care.
edit: IF, the maps are Not instanced and the solo'er occupied the mobs all by themselves and leaving me NO mobs to kill, I will care. Otherwise, it doesn't affect me a bit.
ddoogle
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Originally Posted by mm00re
OMG!!! The shame!! The scandal!! The jealousy of what others can do that you can not...
Dude is this all you can worry about is if someone can solo a part of the game? If they can do this then so be it. I can solo a lot of the game myself, it doesn't meen that they have to make it so you have to have team mates or henchies with you 100% of the time. |
i agree with the guy that posted above about drop rates to party size, good idea, so the drops could be the same for a full group now but less with smaller groups.
Mormegil
So what? Stop nerfin everything, just give the same loot to eight players or a solo player, that way you'd make the situation more acceptable.
Oh and maybe, even so, some people would prefer playing solo than joining a grp with 2 W/Mo (as clever as a bag of rocks) that aggro everything in the area, including Michael Jackson.
Awww...now THAT would be scary.
Oh and maybe, even so, some people would prefer playing solo than joining a grp with 2 W/Mo (as clever as a bag of rocks) that aggro everything in the area, including Michael Jackson.
Awww...now THAT would be scary.
Algren Cole
just give everyone in the group 5 gold weapons every time they leave town.
ddoogle
And lets get one thing straight here if it wasnt for you greedy farmers and bot users Anet wouldnt of nerfed places, you ruined the game for the average gamer that plays the game by setting the price of gold "godly" items with your large amount of cash (I therefore became a buyer seller to get the items i wanted, i didnt want to grind constantly doing chest runs etc to get them as most places were nerfed), now that Anet has fixed the problem YOU farmers soloer, bot users etc caused by introducing chest keys and green items.
Well done Anet just keep going to keep this game for the GAMERS and please please fix UW its such a great place to go and these monks ruin it when they try and show of in my party (when i play me W/mo)
Let not forget who is to blame here.
to get them as most places were nerfed), now that Anet has fixed the problem YOU farmers soloer, bot users etc caused by introducing chest keys and green items.Well done Anet just keep going to keep this game for the GAMERS and please please fix UW its such a great place to go and these monks ruin it when they try and show of in my party (when i play me W/mo)
Let not forget who is to blame here.
Dralon
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Originally Posted by ddoogle
I have a 105 monk, and just solo`ed UW 5 mins ago its dam wrong i dont think it should be able to do that, its silly and makes UW look stupid.
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So play a differnet build, or a different build monk if you feel guilty about soloing the underworld. I play builds that usually don't solo well, but are builds I enjoy playing. Difficult concept I know. Yeah I am poor and always will be, but a small price to pay if I still enjoy playing the character. Oh and if you say you play your 105 monk because you enjoy it, then fine, use it in areas where you get enjoyment and doesn't make you feel guilty about getting too much Uber loot.
ddoogle
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So play a differnet build, or a different build monk if you feel guilty about soloing the underworld. I play builds that usually don't solo well, but are builds I enjoy playing. Difficult concept I know. Yeah I am poor and always will be, but a small price to pay if I still enjoy playing the character. Oh and if you say you play your 105 monk because you enjoy it, then fine, use it in areas where you get enjoyment and doesn't make you feel guilty about getting too much Uber loot.
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Now if it wasnt for the soloer that make huge amount of money farming UW then UW wouldnt of been NERFED and would have better drops for TEAMS that go there.
The only solution i see is PARTY SIZE : DROP RATE.
so its not about me feeling guily it about the WHOLE GAME being fair for the GAMERS.
Charrbane
Who cares if somebody plays a part of the game solo or even if someone decides to play with a team of gerbils wearing WoW t-shirts. I don't see how it's hurting anybody and for some reason certain people hate that someone can solo parts of the game. Haha. Big whoop.
Borealis
Invasion of the whiners *TAKE TWO*
I can smell them crawling out from under theirs rocks again.
*sprays the forum with whiner repellant*
I can smell them crawling out from under theirs rocks again.
*sprays the forum with whiner repellant*
Mormegil
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Invasion of the whiners *TAKE TWO*
I can smell them crawling out from under theirs rocks again. *sprays the forum with whiner repellant* |
Now you're helping them!!!! Next they'll whine about you whining about the whiners!!!!! It will never ends!
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Charrbane
Who cares if somebody plays a part of the game solo or even if someone decides to play with a team of gerbils wearing WoW t-shirts. I don't see how it's hurting anybody and for some reason certain people hate that someone can solo parts of the game. Haha. Big whoop.
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obviously the original poster cares...the more important questions is why he cares.
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a) he's under the impression that people soloing the game reduces the value/frequence/quality of his drops. Which is entirely untrue given the fact that drops are assigned randomly, dropped randomly, and upgraded randomly(im using randomly even though the roll system is technically not random...it's close enough) based on a roll system.
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b) he's upset that HE can't solo a specific area. Let's face it...since the nerf of Protective Bond running places as a monk is painstaking...it's not worth it. This leaves a small selection of places a monk can solo and guess what....every other class has an area or two or three that they can solo as well. But if he can't do it then nobody should be allowed to do it.
ddoogle
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
obviously the original poster cares...the more important questions is why he cares.
either a) he's under the impression that people soloing the game reduces the value/frequence/quality of his drops. Which is entirely untrue given the fact that drops are assigned randomly, dropped randomly, and upgraded randomly(im using randomly even though the roll system is technically not random...it's close enough) based on a roll system. or b) he's upset that HE can't solo a specific area. Let's face it...since the nerf of Protective Bond running places as a monk is painstaking...it's not worth it. This leaves a small selection of places a monk can solo and guess what....every other class has an area or two or three that they can solo as well. But if he can't do it then nobody should be allowed to do it. |
its the economy that suffers, more rich monks (super rich) that caused Anet to NERF UW, because of this it now make the gamers get crap drops (NERFED means Anet decrease the amount of ecto, gold items etc IN a certain place not averge roll when your in a team)
dont put 1 or 2 on me! lol
Algren Cole
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what are you talking about, READ all my posts, i can solo UW now! easy! just slightly more hard.
its the economy that suffers, more rich monks (super rich) that caused Anet to NERF UW, because of this it now make the gamers get crap drops (NERFED means Anet decrease the amount of ecto, gold items etc IN a certain place not averge roll when your in a team) dont put 1 or 2 on me! lol |
soloing the underworld didn't ruin the economy...ArenaNet not knowing what they are doing ruined the economy.
Orbberius
Every time I hear "the economy is ruined!!!!11!!1" I laugh.
octaviancmb
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Originally Posted by ddoogle
And P.S no one helped these monks, they did it all on their own.
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HOW DARE THEY?!?
ANET obviously needs to nerf people who group with Monks. This is unfair to the rest of us.
</sarcasm>
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Lasareth
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Originally Posted by Mugon M. Musashi
it's still better to solo, take time and have all drops to yourself than be in a party of 8 and have 1/8 of the drops...
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The idea isn't to think in terms of money over monsters killed. That's not efficiency. Efficiency is monsters killed/items gained over a time period. As it stands now, Monk underworld soloing is excruciatingly painful. A good group of 8 can clear the same area in 1/8 or less of the time, therefore setting the drop rate to be BETTER than those of monk soloers. So what if you don't get all the items? Over a larger period of time you'll get more than you would if you'd have soloed it, if you're going with a PT strictly made for the purpose of farming.
Efficiency = money/time , not money/monsters killed.
And don't forget the chests that are now in the smite areas, guaranteeing you either a gold or purple item. More trips = more chances at the chest = more chances for high-money items.