Yep. It's true. Necros suck in PvP.
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[Video] Tombs PvP with Necros
PaulOtt
romO
every good build has a necro in it. no questions about it. no build without a necro will go anywhere. necros are vital in pvp. im not going to even download youre video because thats one of the silliest things ive ever heard. every character has their usefulness. if theres one character to complain about its ineffectiveness in pvp, i would have to say it would be ele, but thats just me.
Sereng Amaranth
i think there's a little sarcasm in OP's post 
romO
is pauloutt OP? and if so, sorry if i didnt pick up on it. i just kind of shuddered at the post.
Dovi the Monk
Very nice I must say, only 2 monks and i didnt see to much dying. I compliment your monks...
Although i wonder where you got the idea for the build, u come up with it on your own or see it alrdy being used?
Although i wonder where you got the idea for the build, u come up with it on your own or see it alrdy being used?
PaulOtt
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Originally Posted by Dovi the Monk
Very nice I must say, only 2 monks and i didnt see to much dying. I compliment your monks...
Although i wonder where you got the idea for the build, u come up with it on your own or see it alrdy being used? |
As for who came up with it... does it matter? But, since you ask...
The first time I ever came across it was back in Beta when Adam of Fi brought it to our guild's attention. Tried it a few times and it worked, until we got owned by NR spam. Was fun, and moved on. This weekend I jumped on Fi Vent and a grabbed a spot in a group that was already running it. We made some adjustments, and then grabbed the HoH a few times (don't know if you saw "All Hail Izzy" winning HoH early Sunday morning). I said, "Hey, it'd be fun to record it and post it on the forums." So a group of us met up the next night, grabbed a friend or two to fill in, and -viola- that's what you see.
Not sure who the very first person was to ever think of the build, or who all re-invented it or who stole it or who copied it or what. And frankly, I don't care because I've had fun running it every time I did.
Calrisian Nantos
Wow,that was intense,really cool video man!
Anraeth
but....i ran that too...this weekend
so much for unique?
so much for unique?
Kriegar
Paul spelled my name wrong!
PaulOtt
Warskull
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Originally Posted by PaulOtt
Yeah, I edited out the fights where our healing monk yelled "CHARGE!" and ran off by himself to aggro other teams. [Seriously, I can post the video if you want to see.]
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Calnaion Blackhawk
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Originally Posted by romO
every good build has a necro in it. no questions about it. no build without a necro will go anywhere. necros are vital in pvp. im not going to even download youre video because thats one of the silliest things ive ever heard. every character has their usefulness. if theres one character to complain about its ineffectiveness in pvp, i would have to say it would be ele, but thats just me.
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Sekkira
But necros do suck. I mean, especially on the other team, just, GOD! KILL THE NECRO BEFORE IT KILLS US!
Mumblyfish
A few weeks before PvP XTREEM, KCHS tried running it with two N/R spamming lv1 Spirits, three N/Mo on healing duties and three N/Me (all eight players carrying FoC and Desecrate Enchantments). It worked in that not one player had Energy issues (the lv1 Spirits fuelling Soul Reaping) and Feast of Corruption proving capable of annhilating altars, but on non-altar matches the good teams caught on pretty fast and started to space out, rending the AoE spiking practically useless. Tried it again on the day of PvPX to greater success, given how laying a Spirit forces all Spirits of the same type to die. This allowed us to run high-level Nature Rituals like QZ to speed up FoC recharge and ker-bone the enemy, and still keep them dying every five or so seconds. Likewise, king on altar maps, pretty much useless everywhere else.
If you want to try this again, give some spirit spamming a shot. Apologies, also, for copy+pasting my Guild-Hall reply. I feel... asleep...
If you want to try this again, give some spirit spamming a shot. Apologies, also, for copy+pasting my Guild-Hall reply. I feel... asleep...
MarkyX
Wow...
The build that Lulu uses is very similar to the one I used in arena for the past few weeks.
It can be countered though, simply by spreading out. One thing I noticed with this build is necro has shit eng and Arcane Echo + FoC + Foc = 35 eng. If the target doesn't die, or even if it did, you can't do much else afterwards. Plus the recharge really puts the necros into an open position where they can't do much.
Very powerful on it's first strike, then nearly as strong as a naked baby afterwards.
The build that Lulu uses is very similar to the one I used in arena for the past few weeks.
It can be countered though, simply by spreading out. One thing I noticed with this build is necro has shit eng and Arcane Echo + FoC + Foc = 35 eng. If the target doesn't die, or even if it did, you can't do much else afterwards. Plus the recharge really puts the necros into an open position where they can't do much.
Very powerful on it's first strike, then nearly as strong as a naked baby afterwards.
Detis Zan
If only Offering of blood could be added so it would make up for the low eng.
Ollj
a TON of things changed in guild wars the last 4 months but one thing always kept constand:
There were always 2-3 monks ans 1-2 Warriors in every group.
And thats just necromancer food!!!
There were always 2-3 monks ans 1-2 Warriors in every group.
And thats just necromancer food!!!
Aria
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Originally Posted by MarkyX
Very powerful on it's first strike, then nearly as strong as a naked baby afterwards.
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Spreading out is a good counter so that multiple members won't die, but regardless of scattering or not, it still worked surprisingly well. Simply look at the video and see how often single kills came.In all, though, this build was more for fun than anything too serious.
P.S.. I love our suicidal healing monk!
Dovi the Monk
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Originally Posted by PaulOtt
Yeah, I edited out the fights where our healing monk yelled "CHARGE!" and ran off by himself to aggro other teams. [Seriously, I can post the video if you want to see.]
As for who came up with it... does it matter? But, since you ask... The first time I ever came across it was back in Beta when Adam of Fi brought it to our guild's attention. Tried it a few times and it worked, until we got owned by NR spam. Was fun, and moved on. This weekend I jumped on Fi Vent and a grabbed a spot in a group that was already running it. We made some adjustments, and then grabbed the HoH a few times (don't know if you saw "All Hail Izzy" winning HoH early Sunday morning). I said, "Hey, it'd be fun to record it and post it on the forums." So a group of us met up the next night, grabbed a friend or two to fill in, and -viola- that's what you see. Not sure who the very first person was to ever think of the build, or who all re-invented it or who stole it or who copied it or what. And frankly, I don't care because I've had fun running it every time I did. |
lol, ya i was just wandering if i came upon the first creators of the build, ive nvr seen anyone use a build similar to are own until I saw your post. But ya its an ok build in the hands of amateurs but a great one in a confident team that works well together. Lol ya itd be funny to see a monk yell charge and agro some ppl, lol.
Noose
hmm, yeah, about that necro thing? I run a N/Mo and i can tank next to a warrior, and deal the dmg of an ele at the same time 
of course, i havent told anyone what i do, but i really like it, works well in both pvp and pve. So dont go around saying any class is useless anywhere, cause it will always be wrong.
PS-and no, i dont use smiting prayers
Noose
of course, i havent told anyone what i do, but i really like it, works well in both pvp and pve. So dont go around saying any class is useless anywhere, cause it will always be wrong.PS-and no, i dont use smiting prayers
Noose
arredondo
^^^ AotL + Life Bond + Blood Renewal?
Jakerius
Wow. That video was quite good. Nice PvPing. Like none I've seen in any game 
Nice build. Necros seem to work really efficiantly with each other.
Nice build. Necros seem to work really efficiantly with each other.
Arturo02
That is one nasty necro build.
Great job on the credits dancing scene. Good synch and the look was cool as well. I was laughing my arse off watching that part.
Great job on the credits dancing scene. Good synch and the look was cool as well. I was laughing my arse off watching that part.
PaulOtt
as for the dancing at the end:
/dance *
The asterick will make everyong start the emote at the same time on the next 10 second pulse
/dance *
The asterick will make everyong start the emote at the same time on the next 10 second pulse
varyag
Isn't there an even more specific option: /dance * {number}?
Ex: /dance * 3 will start the emote after 3 such pulses
That ensures you don't loose synch if the pulse occurs right during command input, potentialy delaying some people by another 10 seconds.
Ex: /dance * 3 will start the emote after 3 such pulses
That ensures you don't loose synch if the pulse occurs right during command input, potentialy delaying some people by another 10 seconds.
Arathorn5000
that doesn't make sense, someone would still be off if you tried to synch it with * 3 and someone missed.
BTW, very nice video. I'm lmao at the "it's a necro build" part
BTW, very nice video. I'm lmao at the "it's a necro build" part
varyag
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Originally Posted by Arathorn5000
that doesn't make sense, someone would still be off if you tried to synch it with * 3 and someone missed.
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I don't really care though. Heh
Shayul
Omg...it was a necro build?! No way!
That comment rocked my socks...>_<
If you ever need or want a healer when you run this again, feel free to PM my monk in game (Ravenwind Darksbane). I'd love to be there just to see the reactions.
That comment rocked my socks...>_<
If you ever need or want a healer when you run this again, feel free to PM my monk in game (Ravenwind Darksbane). I'd love to be there just to see the reactions.
D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E
Jamon *grabs crotch* eeh he.
overall nice capture; music and credits. /congrats
overall nice capture; music and credits. /congrats
Makkert
Great comments. 'It's a necro build'. just hilarious.
nice spikes flying around...
nice spikes flying around...
PaulOtt
Shayul, another neat comment was when a guy named Kick Arse Monk said "You corrupted the feast outta me". :P
Prince_Ayreon
Haha!
This is why I don't do Tombs. I'd do a good job of getting owned!
If that was me you were facing you could have expected some, "I just got my shit ruined!!!"
Well done on the build/performance/video-editing.
This is why I don't do Tombs. I'd do a good job of getting owned!
If that was me you were facing you could have expected some, "I just got my shit ruined!!!"
Well done on the build/performance/video-editing.
D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E
your build was fun in comp arena; who would have thought curse's where accually good lol. but 2 monks stoped are 5 consecutive wins, all out heal no smiters 
i DID however do 431dmg to 1 warrior; she didnt die BUT close!
only 1 of me with other randoms; but none the less fun.
I belive who helped me achive this dmg was a N/Me but all out life transfer life spihon ect ect so i bet he added on a few hex's...
a side note; if there was a smitter; i really wanna see the dmg vs that; i see smiters in ur video just didnt catch the dmg...
me capturing FoC an hr ago has come in handy!
i DID however do 431dmg to 1 warrior; she didnt die BUT close!only 1 of me with other randoms; but none the less fun.
I belive who helped me achive this dmg was a N/Me but all out life transfer life spihon ect ect so i bet he added on a few hex's...
a side note; if there was a smitter; i really wanna see the dmg vs that; i see smiters in ur video just didnt catch the dmg...
me capturing FoC an hr ago has come in handy!
Makkert
BTW: what kind of tactic did you use vs the IWAY?
Why grouping on the hero? to prevent killing of the hero and thus recharging the Res Signets?
How did you keep yourself alive vs wars hacking & slashing away?
Why grouping on the hero? to prevent killing of the hero and thus recharging the Res Signets?
How did you keep yourself alive vs wars hacking & slashing away?
LuLu
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Originally Posted by Makkert
BTW: what kind of tactic did you use vs the IWAY?
Why grouping on the hero? to prevent killing of the hero and thus recharging the Res Signets? How did you keep yourself alive vs wars hacking & slashing away? |
As they come in, cast all the AoE hexes, cast arcane echo -> feast of corruption = 12 dead bodies (we missed 1 pet and 1 warrior who you can see ran in kind of late, and the necro who was spamming orders at tehir spawn). The night before we got a 14 kill in one shot, only missing the order spammer.
D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E
yes i was going to mention Suffering and i did notice others using putired explosion...
/congrats on the team work.
I find using the "[" and "]" buttons really handy if your fighting an enemy and kill one but dont want to find then click another just push either one for a new target.
/congrats on the team work.
I find using the "[" and "]" buttons really handy if your fighting an enemy and kill one but dont want to find then click another just push either one for a new target.
Makkert
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Originally Posted by LuLu
Grouping on the hero was just easier for coordination purposes. You call out "group on the hero" and everybody knows where to go. Generally, IWAY builds target many different targets all at once, so that healer's just can't heal everything at once and people will die. We also had a few AoE hexes such as shadow of fear and suffering. So when they start targeting us, you can see the majority of them come at us at roughly the same time.
As they come in, cast all the AoE hexes, cast arcane echo -> feast of corruption = 12 dead bodies (we missed 1 pet and 1 warrior who you can see ran in kind of late, and the necro who was spamming orders at tehir spawn). The night before we got a 14 kill in one shot, only missing the order spammer. |
14 kills in one shot? It must have rained 'wtf' in public chat...
Good for some laughs for sure.
The seed must have helped some also while clustering for the healers
Zelnox
Hehe, looks fun.
How would one go about countering this? AoE interrupts is enough? Lots of Hex Breaker? You seem to spike single targets so easily too, so spreading out would only delay the inevitable....haha. Still, the extra time may help. Hmmmmmm, many rangers with interrupts? Spreading daze around sounsd fun, but perhaps too complicated. How about lots of energy denial + QZ? I suppose a little bit of time bought here and there can leave enough people alive to attempt a counter-attack.
I am curious! ^_^
How would one go about countering this? AoE interrupts is enough? Lots of Hex Breaker? You seem to spike single targets so easily too, so spreading out would only delay the inevitable....haha. Still, the extra time may help. Hmmmmmm, many rangers with interrupts? Spreading daze around sounsd fun, but perhaps too complicated. How about lots of energy denial + QZ? I suppose a little bit of time bought here and there can leave enough people alive to attempt a counter-attack.
I am curious! ^_^
Aera Lure
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Originally Posted by PaulOtt
Yep. It's true. Necros suck in PvP.
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Nice video btw. I very much like the silent film era text screens.
Kyy Nisaro
That was great, way to show off the true power of a Necro. One day, all will bow at our feet.