[Video] Tombs PvP with Necros

This was posted in the other thread, but here it is again for those of you that are curious.

6 N/Mes with 16 Curses, ~11 Blood; Skill recharge weapon, +1 Curses 20% chance focus
Awaken the Blood, Feast of Corruption, Desecrate Enchantments, Shadow Strike, Parasitic Bond, Arcane Echo, Res Sig, X

X = Suffering, Shadow of Fear, Malign Intervention, etc.

1 Prot Monk with Prot/Divine/Inspiration
Vital Blessing, Restore Condition, Reversal of Fortune, Blessed Signet, Mantra of Inscriptions, Aegis, etc
[Six String Samurai came up with this prot build and it worked well, don't know the last 2 skills, but he spent most of the time using Blessed]
1 Healing Monk with Word, Seed, Infuse, Touch, etc.

Hopefully you dont mind if I go and copy the build. Thanks!

for those of you who didnt notice, 3 out of the 6 necros were wearing bloodstained boots, meaning they used death magic. putrid/wells were definatly involved. also they were n0 and a few other famous guilds, i recognized the cape... i think it might of be hO or sb... dont remember but they were some high ranked peeps. takes some skills to do stuff like that also the monks were godly xP. the clue by lulu of the monk mainly using blessed probably means he had energy drain and life bond on the healer for his infuse? not sure but he was missing an elite. yet he aparently casted vital blessing on everyone; thus his constant cast of blessed signet and use of mantra of inscriptions. so probably a 11/10/10 build was used on his attributes. im currious as to what the healing monk used though :P.


oh yea and if any of you guy in the video have guilds that are recruiting on skill and not rank, pm me, i'd love to try out its hard to find a guild that activly pvps together.

Actually, there was no one from h0 and sB. Lulu's from n0, Paul is from Fianna, and Kriegar, Trexton and a few others are from Te, and I'm Agony. Nice, warm, happy pick up group of friends.

I played healing monk with Six String from Fianna the first night when we won hall a few times (All Hail Izzy ), and I switched to prot monk the second night with Trex as the healing monk.

For the healing monk, I had a very very basic pure heal monk.. Kiss, word, touch, infuse, orison, seed, inspired hex, channeling. In short, a couple of very strong heals since I didn't have additional healing from another source to bolster mine. We didn't run life bond or energy drain. The key to staying alive? An infuse at the right time, a restore conditions in the right situation, and most of all, kiting kiting kiting.

Oh, and we didn't use wells and putrids. I think a few people brought wells, but they were never really used, if at all.

Rofl, that's amazing. God...I really want to see this in action first person (mainly just to hear the comments, actually). I'm currently unlocking a bunch of necro skills, also. Let's see if I can play a necro too. >_<

Does everyone need parasitic? Was thinking just you as the target caller needed it for feast.

the whole time im sitting there watching your character only thinking big f'n deal...

then i see the necros sync up and dance and i realized all at once why you used that song and what was so spectacular about the build...

great job, go necros!

BTW - Why not use mimicry instead of arcane echo? or even both?

60 s. recharge compared to 30. Plus, I'd imagine they would run into energy problems if they ran both.

To help relieve the burden off of the 2 monks. Everytime we killed something, nearly everybody gets a 100+ pt heal. In addition, its a cheap, fairly long lasting hex that is easy to spread, so that if people happen to be in range of the radius, they will also get hit for the extra damage from FoC.

great build, I love Necros, we are awesome
special thanks to Lulu for the video!!

I keep forgetting to cast awaken the blood, then i end up casting arcane echo before i hex. It takes some time to get used to. but it brings me back to the good'ol days of air spiking.

I love Paul O.

Another thing in relation to everybody needing parasitic. The important thing is not to 'telecast' your attack. The most notable example is probably the lingering curse -> air spike combo (or lingering curse/Rend into any combo for that matter). Being able to spread a cheap 20s duration hex everywhere is what enables this build to nearly pick on any target at anytime. With the inclusion of mimicry, there are a few problems.

Mana and recharge timers have already been mentioned, but another reason is you simply just need time to spread hexes around. Generally the target calling sequence would go something like this:
Awaken the blood up.
Spread hexes around.
Get arcane echo up
Feast in 3, 2, 1,
Next target feast in 3, 2, 1,
Next target desecrate in 3, 2, 1.
Clean up (look for low health targets on your own or the target caller will ask for assistance and cast shadow strike/vamp gaze).
Spread hexes around.
Rinse lather and repeat.
By the time you are done with cleanup and are looking for a brand new target, the initial hexes have been removed and/or wearing out, so you need to start recasting them. While having the extra FoC would have been nice, mana and time constraints probably would not make an efficient addition.
Somebody ought to try it out though

hex breaker ftw?
lawl

I've already ran intoa grip of people running hex breaker. it's annoying.

that was probably my group
prot monk with hex breaker ftw

the build is good yes but i don't think that is what is winning your matches.

the group is so well cordinated on calls and only 1 person calling (unlike some other idiots i know)

not to mention feast does dmg while healing you too.

You gotta love Life Syphon.

'Live for 20 seconds or until your target is dead, whichever comes first!' Spam it around to a few targets, and it becomes 'live for 20 seconds.. or 25.. or 30.. or 35 or until your taget is dead' Great skill to have.

I really enjoyed the video -- I don't PvP, so I haven't got the faintest idea what's going on, but I do get a kick out of watching such good players! Gonna be really nice to have an observer mode.

Man, that video was friggin awesome. The dancing at the end during the credits.... YES.

My vote for "Best Picture."

I know Lulu, and he has a record of joining guilds stealign there builds, wiping them from there forums and making videos to claim them as his idea. Not that hes stolen my builds, i just know how he is and I dont believe anything that comes from anyone he is even remotely connected to.

Nice vid though, loved the choregraphy at the end, and especially the newbish remarks by shock rampage. None the less even if lulu is a somewhat shady character i give complete props to anyone who made this build even if it was lulu who may have somehow come up with this on his own.

^^^ Yep, and I can confirm this. Lulu was once in my guild and stole our build. She posted it somewhere on this message board I believe. Oh well, w/e. I won't b**** because I know everyone on this board will suck-up and try to defend her even though most of them don't know her.

I will say, however, she helped my 3rd character through Thirsty River when the Invinci-Monk was still kicking strong, so she's not completely bad I guess.

However, I think people who steal guild builds and post them as their own are just wrong.



Back on topic: kickass video. Who says necroes can't whoopass?

=T Stealing builds is new? I think sooner or later someone else is going to come across the same build. But hey, he has my support because he posted the build... not like those uber ninjas with their super secret anti-smite builds that also pwns everything else.

Yeah... you invent a build then a have someone come along into your guild, steal the build to use as their own, then post it on one of the biggest GW message boards and claim it as her own, then tell me you wouldn't be the slightest bit upset.

Stealing a build from someone you see using it is differant from perposely going into another guild to spy on their build.

ehhh?

huh? If you want to spew hate, go ahead. But I have NEVER EVER HELPED ANYBODY do PvE EVER.

AHAHAHAHAHA! Thats to funny! didnt even care about the accusations that matter, just that she rushed someone, thats to funnY!

Actually, I know Lulu personally, and although she posts builds, she does not claim credit for them. In the case of this video, it was PaulOtt's work, and one should realize the difference between an important participant and an author. In Guild Wars, builds are often recycled, refined, and renewed as time passes. What you claim to be *your* build might in fact be a build that someone else has ran in the past -- with some differences and slight modifications. As such, it's not only an extreme case of arrogance to proclaim that it's your build alone, but also a blow and a disgrace to every other precursor of that build.

In the case of this necro build as shown by the video, Paul has said many times before that the first time that he has seen the build was from a mention made by Adam of the Fianna. This idea was dormant until Isaiah (known affectionately as Izzy, and who is also our beloved skills balancer of ANet) made this current build into what is seen in the video today. Lulu never claimed any ownership to the build -- other than an active participation and an integral part as the designated target caller of this build.


lynxxClan, please let me quote you:

Now, to analyze this quote.. your accusation is based on the claim that you "know Lulu," and yet, a mere sentence later, you say that "not that he has stolen my builds, I just know how he is." That is a tremendous contradiction of terms -- one which I find quite unbelievable since you repudiated your own words in the very next sentence you wrote. I really don't wish this to be attack, and it is not meant to be one at all. However, I find it inexcusable that such a claim be made when your own words reveal the extent of your "knowledge" and "intimacy" with Lulu -- a valuable member of the Guild Wars community.

Please show one video that Lulu has made that stole another's ideas. Otherwise, this is just an incredibly off-topic branch that neither belongs in Guru, nor in this thread. I wish that we would all respect each other, and share ideas to further the knowledge of the Guild Wars community. Please do not dirty the value of this sharing with rather unproved attempts to sully the reputation of another member. Such things -- even if they are as unproved and unmerited as this -- should be kept off these forums and in the private sanctum of communication.

Thank you,
Aria

you can accuse LuLu of cheating.
you can accuse LuLu of hacking.
you can accuse LuLu of stealing builds from everyone's guild forums and then wiping them.
you can accuse LuLu of of dressing up as a school girl and playing zylaphones with squid padded mallets for a more pure and perfect tone while quoting shakespere to a potted plant of putenua's!

BUT dont you EVER...
...EVER...
...EVER...
...accuse LuLu of engaging in PvE.

- LuLu has never claimed any build as her idea, ever.

- LuLu has never made any video of pvp builds we've run, ever.

And for the record, you're full of crap claiming she has a record of joining guilds and stealing their builds. If someone pretending to be LuLu joined your guild and stole your builds, that's your problem. I talk to LuLu almost daily and play with her regularly. That's not what she does.

i got a quick question...

during the credits while panning the camera around i noticed the male that was standing with his back to the camera, and his cape caught my eye.

could you by chance tell me who that was?

also, awesome build im anxious to try it out. does this work well with any other build, or is it strictly for use only with the 6 necro 2 monk build? thanks for the awesome video and ideas

That male was Trexton of Te. Their cape probably looks different today.

The entire build was centered around spike damage. Not sure how well that specific individual necro build would work in other team builds.

Please leave private lives where they should be. Our personal relationship with each other should remain in private.
Thank you.

PaulOtt,

Actually lulu is claiming credit for this, by not giving credit to the person who actually made this build and making a movie about it with there name on it and noone else, yes thats stealing, imagine for a moment that someone came along with the new hit movie in the cinemas, did great and made tons, then a year down the line say some famous director seres the movie and realizes that was his script, by that person putting out evidence out there well before anyone else they claim credit, thats the point to putting the evidence out there, no matter how you look at it its passively claiming credit even if you never actually claim that you made it.
Secondly I dont know who you know to be lulu, but obviously where talking about differant people, while I agree everyone in the world has the capacity to be great people, everyone has friends who will stick up for them no matter what, I commend the fact that you would stick up for your friend, in fact I too would be quick to jump at a argument for most any of my friends. Simply put Im merely stating what I know, dont get mad at me for the track record of someone else, its not my fault, and since you do talk to with lulu everyday you should take a page from her book and not jump to pick a fight whenever you can, staying calm under pressure is something that should be admired and obviously not a trait that youve learned from her.
Like I said before whoever made this build, congrats, even though this build was originally designed awhile ago adapting it to the current meta game must have been quite difficult, and even if I do say that lulu steals builds I do have to admittedly say that lulus video is one of the very few teams in gw's that could pull off such a feat of skill with success, and like I said above, i congrats to lulu and the team on that. Unlike you however Im not blinded by how I feel and I can honestly say congrats to lulu for what was accomplished here.
Also yes I agree lulu, all personal life should be left personal, no need to bring in that crap, id be pretty pissed if someone started talking about my personal life here.


Aria,
I know alot of people in guild wars, and i dont claim to be friends with any of them, im friends with my guild, and my friend list, by knowing someone doesnt mean im intimetely involved or otherwise close to that person, lulu may be a valued part of the guild wars community but so are thousands of people, the fact that so many people "know" lulu does not mean that every single person has to be directly linked to her, for instance I honestly dont know if lulu is a girl or a guy, hence ive accidently refered to her as a him on a few occasions, thus contridicting myself, the fact that a simple contradiction occurs doesnt mean an entire argument is flawed, it merely means a portion is mis informed due to a lack of actually spending hours and hours playing with the person, most everyone I know in guild wars spends alot of time playing and has played since the beginning including myself and most everyone I know actually knows lulu, maybe there not all the greatest of friends with lulu but they KNOW her, just like I do, we are fully aware of her, just like every other prominent member of the community. As soon as this was post occured it was posted in my guild forum and we all looked at it, and we all talked about it, I personally gave this link to just about everyone on my friends list to show them the video, and guess what, most everyone on my friends list knows lulu as well, sadly however the majority of players has the same thing to say that I do, however the majority of players I know wouldnt give lulu the credit that I would which is to say that yes she is skilled and yes the players she plays with are skilled, take that as you will but like I said earlier, im not the one to get pissed at over what i have to say, what i have to say is merely a natural cause of actions, to your suprise Im sure alot of players have brains and actually remember the past.

And no paul did not credit thsi to someone else, he said the idea may have come from someone name whatever, and then later on he continued to say that it didnt even matter, thus discrediting anyone who may have created it, when people look at this thread they will view the movie, thats it, the only people who care enough to read through 4 or 5 pages of threads are people who know anyone involved with this build and anyone who really just doesnt have anythign to do with there time, if you want to give credit then you should post it on the movie, plain and simple in the title "we did not create this we just perfected it" would do wonderful and would clear up all misconceptions that are being caused. You could make yourself look like anythign you wanted merely by leaving out the smallest details, something I figure your well aware of.

Lynxx Clan

Again.. please be informed before you make accusations. I'm getting rather tired of repeating this. Lulu did NOT make this video. Her name is there at the bottom of the quotes because we all thought it was funny. Yes -- WE. Meaning.. more than one. The maker of the film is Paul Ott. Please please PLEASE stop the misinformation. As for "making a movie about it with there name on it and noone else," besides the fact that Lulu did NOT make the video (other than being one of the many people shown in it), did you watch it from beginning to end? Paul's name comes first as the creator of the film during the credits. Then comes a nice rolling list of names in which I'm actually the first one acknowledged (thanks to alphabetical ordering), and in which Lulu is actually in the middle.

There is something seen as the body of a film and another quite different matter called credits and acknowledgment. The film, in this case, is the first six or so minutes. The credits -- the part that you should be looking at -- is at the very end. Please check it again.

Thank you,
Aria

P.S. lynxxClan.. you realize that the "contradiction" I pointed out and quoted from your post did not refer to Lulu's gender, but rather the fact that you said something like "I know him and he steals builds" and then promptly added something along the lines of "he never actually stole my builds but I just know it."

That's a rather large and plain contradiction.. and it has nothing to do with Lulu's personal life (and in this case, gender).

Believe it or not the last place we look for new builds is on forums / from other teams.

You can argue about who first came up with it for as long as you like but nearly all these builds have been thought up and run in alpha months before the game was launched so noone has exclusive right or claim, the whole idea is ludicrous.

People are very quick to point fingers.

"This never happened to me and I have no proof, but it's true cause I KNOW IT!"

Takes all kinds.

Am I the only one laughing at LynxxClan? :(

its alright vaquisher, lot of people laugh at me, Im an amusing person :P

I made the video.

You know why I didn't give credit to anyone about the build? Because it doesn't matter. There. I said it. It is completely pointless. You want to know the first time I heard about this Necro spike build? 6ish months ago Adam of Fi got a group of us together to run it. Does it matter who thinks of it first? Who reinvents it? Who steals? Who copies? Who remembers? It's a fruitless pursuit because so many people can independently come up with these builds themselves. And, ultimately, it makes no difference.

I do agree with one thing you said. We probably are talking about different people. So stop spreading your crap about the LuLu depicted in this video and the one posting on these forums. If there is another "Lulu" that is joining your guild and stealing your builds, I'm sorry to hear, but don't blame this LuLu.



P.S. Sorry I posted that LuLu. I erased it.

It's not that; it's more your clear idiocy and the fact you're trying to make yourself seem 'bigger' in the game. I mean, you claim to know LuLu, quite personally. Then you altar your statement to that you've heard of her. Following which, you state that all of your friends know her.

In fact, all your posts have done, is progressively show that you're full of crap, tbh.