Game Economy Suggestion - Fissure Armor

sry if this has been posted already


fyi:you dont NEED fow armor.it isnt better than drok armor statistically.

Only like 8 times.

Seriously, this has gone beyond beating a dead horse. It's like beating the rotting, maggot-infested, vulture-ridden corpse of a horse from days ago.

I AM ULTRA RICH!!!!!!!!
That make you believe it? I didn't think so, lots of big bold letters and exclamation points do not help you. Tell me why a non-farmer cannot be a collector, and I'll be happy to listen.

I have an idea were this came from, so I will pose three questions to all the folks who read this thread:

The suggested method of obsidian shards from a fissure of woe quest and ectoplasms from an underworld quest is a slower, less efficent method of earning the materials required for Fissure armor. It will also require approximatly 12500 (paying 125 each time) for an entree fee, assuming you complete the required quest every time in. You will have to be in a group that can successfully make it to the quest, as well as defeat it. It will take a longer time to gather the needed materials then the normal farming method. Average players will not succeed any more with this method than they would have with farming. The same applies to casual gamers.

Now the questions: How will this method cause the average gamer to suddenly gain fissure armor? How will this method hinder your farming? Why do you oppose a method besides farming to get the armor?

Wow.. 75% of the game has 20k or less...?

HOLY SHIT YOU MEAN LIFE ISN'T FAIR IN THE VIDEO GAME WORLD TOO??

Damn this guy is as stupid as a donkey-ass.


DUDE that dumb ass bolding your line stating that you're rich won't make me believe you are, if you were you wouldn't be complaining here in the first place.

Stop saying dumb things you bumbling idiot, FoW is COLLECTORS-armor like I said normally a few times before but it seems your eyes refuse to read stuff like that or something, so that's why I made it bold.

I will admit, the economy is a little screwed up. But isn't that another issue entirely? I mean, who cares about the "bling-bling" armor. Let the people go after their bling-bling. The fact that some people have insane amounts of cash, in many cases unfairly, in other cases because they were devoted to doing boring crap, in other cases because they were lucky; while others (myself for instance) have never had more than 25K accross all 4 characters and storage at one time, is what's really screwy with this game. In fact I've yet to see an MMORPG with a well balanced economy. You'd think by now these gaming companies would actually start hiring real economists because programmers and designers may not be the best people to try such a thing.

I kick myself every time I see the price of the Rune of Sup Vigor nowadays, because my first character bought that thing off the merchant way back for about 5K. Why the hell didn't I stock up?! Oh, yeah... I couldn't afford to stock up at the time. I was poor. Still am actually.

But honestly, what does the economy have to do with bling-bling armor apart from impacting its prices just like it impacts the prices of everything else? You may see it as unattainable (actually I kind of agree with you there), but the armor itself is not the curse.

Ever game has a screwed up economy, and Guild Wars is actually doing better than most.

WoW is horrible, and FFXI is impossible.

Yet, I still stand next to the idea that Fissure Armor is not for everyone, and if anything, should be made more expensive, due to gold inflation.

Leave him be, he's the kind that ends up cheating to get something like that FoW armor.

Just because that is one of the things that are unattainable for him he complains.

The economy might be fooked in some ways but I have no problems with it, droprates are fine as they are, people that are not able to work for it are worthless RPG'ers.


RPG requires work, if you're not willing to give that... then go find some brainless FPS game and shut up.

That's pretty hardcore of you to say. You make it sound like RPGs are supposed to be work. In fact, you actually said it. Traditionally they were a story-driven genre. Hence "Role Playing Game". So if I'm not willing to do brainless, redundant farming in RPGs... I should find a brainless game to play?

Probably the problem is just with MMORPGs in general. At some point you hit a ceiling where there's just nothing else to do. In other types of games you just play a different game or start the game again. In MMORPGs your character is still there. So you're technically "done" but not done. So that is a really good reason to have something like FoW armor and make it as expensive as possible.

But it can also be the problem why there are rich people in these games... they've nothing much else to do but pile up gold.

Are you saying you don't 'think' while playing RPG, if you do you're most likely uncapable to play a game like Guild Wars.

RPG requires you to think of tactics and adjusting your tactics with your available resources.

That guy just wants everything to go his way, cheap and easy way.

There's no NEED to play the game either, but we do. The fact is that FoW armour is there and it's there for a reason - for people to buy. So why not make it a little more obtainable for us mere mortals?

Maybe it's the arrogant way you keep stating your opinon. You could try and be a little humble, or at least have an appreciation for other peoples opinion - even if you disagree with it.

There is far too much elitism in this game - and in the forums it seems.

back in the day when i got my fow armor, there was no sorrow's furnace! that's so unfair. I actually had to work for my ecto and farm it with small groups. can you believe that?? this was when the 4 person smite runs were just little known secret among a few players.
i played thru the entire game and never came across a sup vigor much less a sup absorption. i scrimped and saved for my 15k for my first char.

and now players have sorrows furnace to farm for high priced greens! i just picked up malinon's shield and grognar's blade today, worth a total of around 150K. you know how much ecto i could buy with that? it's so unfair now that new players can just farm sorrow's in large groups and easily make the gold to buy the mats for their fissure armowhine whine whine whine whine whine whine. whine whine whine. whine whine whine. whine whine. whine.

red engine whined red engine whined whined red whined gored engine whin

shit happens. that's life. =)

humble? ... people like him will piss on humble.

Well your argument is off. When FoW armor first got big, Ecto costed 3-3.5K each and shards were 1K. Now that the economy is truely ruined, (resetting of traders/ overfarming by bots that A.Net doesn't seem to try and stop/ making drops worse and worse/ ect.) prices of ecto have gone overboard.

No wonder why all those businesses spam their gold for sale on A.Nets servers in Tombs.

Are you totally incapable of reading others posts? Yoiu say you should have to work for Fissure Armour - thats fair enough and what people want - play the game and do missions and quests and be rewarded for it with a chance to get fissure rather than essentially usaeless XP and Skill Points (one of my characters has over 1m XP and 50 useless skill points as there's no other skills I want/need and even if I did, it'd cost 50k to use them all).

So as it stands, those that follow your sugestion get sod all worth having, but those that copy a farming build off the net, get lucky with a rare drop or get their credit card out on ebay do get it - hardly working for it by playing the game is it?

I don't consider my self poor as I have over 500k in storage, and a few nice green/gold items that my characters use (like Rago's Flame Staff, Mallion's Shield etc) yet I'm not even close to being able to get Fissure armour (and yes it would improve my stats - I could have Druid's on my Ranger without looking like a complete twat which normal druids does). Incidently it's the farmers that have in the main caused this problem with their me, me, me attitude which lead to ANET nerfing the drops to their current pitiful state (6 ecto in over 50 hours in the UW is not a fair return, especially when drops are allocated so unevenly - in an 8 hour trip, 4 ecto's dropped and were all allocated to just one part member yah him).

OK then, if Ecto and Shards as quest rewards isnt popular, what about letting us buy ecto/shards with our skill points (in a similar way that pvp players can buy stuff with faction)? We have to work to get those and those that do quests/missions will get them faster than farmers so rewarding those that play the game - of course it won't stop the ebayer's but then fissure would still be expensive.

Honestly, since I have a few Obsidian sets, I always get whispers such as "How did you get your armor?" "Whats an easy way to get FoW armor?" "Plz give me monies so I can get FoW". Now, I know there are rumors that I "E-bay" which isn't true. -.-' Well, like everyone else, I wasn't so interested in FoW, having no gold, being the "average" GW player. With a few tips on farming, going to UW, going to FoW, going to higher level places and just beating the crap outta the maps with groups. Honestly, there is no "easy" way, even before the nerf, it still took a lot of dedication. People say that I'm always in Grotto, so how do I make money? What people don't see is when I'm not there, they don't notice, but if I am there, I'm always there. xD Its funny. I won't be there for two days, and the moment I log on. "Omg Kago, you're always here." Anyway, to sum it up. FoW ftw? xD -Rambling and has no point in this.-

Copying over a build? wtf are you for dumb ass... I didn't do that you nazi.

Maybe you're INCAPABLE TO KNOW WHAT I DO WITH MY CHARACTER YOU BUMBLING IDIOT.

Anyways I retreat out of this stupid dumb-ass thread.

Ok dude, some of your posts dont make sense and some have a good argument.

First paragraph: Your skill points and exp have nothing to do with you getting fissure armor. What the hell does having 50 unused skill points have to do with the price of materials or the challenge to get to the armorer? Ok so you want to assign it as a quest and you can get it that way, what other armor/item in the game can u get that way? Can i get a req8, 15 over 50, 10/10 furious, +30 health Chaos axe too? if soo then i wont need to do all the quests for fissure as i can sell that and get it on my own.

Second paragraph: Yes getting out your credit card on ebay is one way of getting fissure and im sure that many people have done that. BUT for those that have invested the time in other chars (my monk WITH fissure is a pure healer) to get the materials and not to mention the time on that char. Not just anyone can pick up a new char and go farm UW/Griffons/Tengu/Grawl/SF. So if i invest my time in building a char to be able to farm and get the items/money to trade/buy for the stuff i need then why should i not be rewarded for my time?

Third Paragraph: Drop rates are just that ..... RANDOM. Thats why they are called rare drops. Numbers have proven that you have a better chance for drops if you can do it alone. THAT was the reason for all the farmers. Its people bitching that someone had something they wanted but couldnt get that got almost EVERY good farming area and EVERY good farming build nerfed to hell. Think, without farmers and you had to rely SOLEY on traders for materials, at 12 ectos fissure would be WAY more expensive than buying the ecto off a farmer at 10k. And have u ever noticed that by buying something from the trader often enough that the price will rise? how do you think that the price got so out of control in the first place. when they were low, EVERYONE and their brother bought them, i did. then resold them for the marked up profit. thats economics.

Fourth paragraph: again WTF does skill points have to do with Shards or Ecto? I dont recall having a skill in my bar that lets me reproduce ectos......... Fissure armor is a gold sink. nothing else. 99% of all collectors weapons are better than the godliest 200k weapon thats out there. Fissure armor is allowing a reward to the players that do play through the game. LAST time i checked, you had to be at least ascended to get into FoW or UW. Meaning that you have to play the game to have access to these areas. Then you still have to have favor, meaning that its a reward to those on that server for PLAYING THE GAME.

/catch breath

Are you a complete RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing idiot or just having a good day? I did not say you copied your build, I haven't a clue what you do with your character (for all I know you could spend all your time running around trying to look up the skirts of the female mesmer's and Ele's), and frankly I don't give a rats ass as when you're on here your village is obviously missing it's idiot. Especially as coming from Holland you should know what a Nazi is and what they did and have the common decency not to band the term about - perhaps you'd be better off going to school and learning your history rather than skiving off to play GW.

Lets try and explain ity to you in words you might undersatand - yes I know skill points have nothing to do with getting fissure, i never said they did, it was a suggestion that they could do.

You say (and I agree with you) that you spent time and effort building a character with which to farm to get the money/materials needed for fissure armour so deserved the reward, so tell me why it is you think that some one who took the time and effort to build a character to defeat the quests/missions (the point of the game incidently), not withstanding the time and effort required to get a competent party capable of doing them, is any less deserving of equal rewards?

BTW the reason I mentioned skill points is because that is the ONLY reward PvE players get for playing the game and they're essentially useless - especially once you've got the skills you want/need. PvP players get faction points (and quality drops) they can spend on stuff to use in pvp, so why is it so wrong that PvE p[layers can't spend their points on items to use in PvE?

The only reason I can think of that farmers wouldn't agree is because it gives the chance for players not interested in farming and who'd rather spend what time they have completing missions/quests to get the money/materials needed, so losing them a lot of customers.

OK well there are rebuttals again to your argument:

first paragraph: while skill points COULD work with materials for fissure, then EVERY other material and item in the game woudl have to work the same way as too keep it balanced. im sorry but id rather not spend an hour trying to get enough exp for a skill point to go purchase a leather square when i can go buy one for what 180g?

second paragraph: I had and never will say that anyone that goes through the game to play it should be punished, but then you also cant reward a MAJOR item like an ecto or a shard just for doing a quest. thats what the drops are there for. Every trip that ive been into Uw or FoW i have seen at least 2 people walk out with ecto/shards so they arent impossible to get, when youre making them out to be that they are. What next? Should we award sup runes for changing professions? if that was the case, everyone and their brother would be switching to a warrior hoping for a sup absorb. Its again NOT balanced

Third paragraph: Did i miss the memo, but when did skill points become useless? you need them for unlocking skills to use in BOTH pve and pvp. last time i remembered there was no quest that constantly gave u cap sigs, only one that gave u a single one. there are also some skills that arent rewarded in quests that you purchase from trailers. and also, there are elite skills to go cap. last i remembered they can only be gotten from capturing them with cap sigs? am i wrong? also u can change professions at any given time. say you wanan expirement with different builds, youll need skill points to unlock new skills, or make a pvp char, but unless they are unlocked, you CANT use them anyway.... If we were to make a reward for being able to use points for items/runes/materials, you would have to make something different from skill points to be able to cash in for those rewards as the skill points are ment for unlocking and purchasing skilsl to use in both pve and pvp. you say that there is nothing for pve people to go spend their points on, and i agree while limited to the choices we have, i can still go to any trainer and buy a new skill whenever i want and i can use it as soon as i step outside of town. how am i not getting to spend my points on something i can use?

Fourth paragraph: While yes you can farm for the materials and such for your armor, you can also go into UW or FoW and do the quests and explore and gather items/materials while youre down there. The reason to go into those areas is to explore for places and items that are not available unless youve ascended and your server has favor. while yes they are a good place to farm for items, there are many other places that are used for farming as well. I personally had a good drop while EXPLORING the Fissure of Woe which netted me in some good money, i wont lie. BUT the bulk of my money came from exploring and salvaging materials from items that drop and waiting for the right time to sell them to the merchant or to players that need crafting materials. that was where the MAJORITY of my money in this game came from, as well as countless others in this game.

While there should be a better reward for clearing UW completely or FoW completely (other than the expierence and the exp reward) you can still make a good amount of money per run down there without finding exto or shards. Glittering dust drops like rain down in FoW, turn around and sell it to tthe material trader and bam. nice little chunk of profit. same with salving items and such that drop. You can sell clean max shadow shields for 500-1k a pop cause people will buy them for the "look" even if it is blank. if you even get 2 of those, you already came out ahead of what the price was to journey into FoW. Not to mention the remains that are 60g per pop, the countless staffs and bows you can salv wood from, the swords that can give u steel ignots..... the list goes on. i can go into FoW, make a crapload of exp for my char, get a skill point of two to get a new spell for main./secondary profession, and usually walk out with around making 5k or so after selling items to just the merchant. thats not counting any keys that will open chests for gold drops and such.

ANet designed fissure armor to be a challenge to get. every noob that comes across from pre should not have access to it, or the materials to get it. like everything else in life "IF YOU WANT SOMETHING, GO WORK FOR IT AND EARN IT" granted while earning items through questing can show skill and yes u did earn it, theres stil la part of it thats GIVEN to you. which doesnt make it as rare in the game as its supposed to be.

sorry /rant mode off

It's true, not everyone should have fissure armor.
Not even 10% of the community should have it.
It's like Diablo 2, being level 99, except in the form of armor.

I don't know why people complain about fissure armor, you even say it does nothing, but you're complaining about it, making you want it.
Why would you want it when you say it doesn't do anything?

Experience points are also givin to you, so is faction, yet no one complains about that I do not like the idea of spending skill points because then who would ever get shards with them? Everyone would go for the more money-worthy ectoplasms, which would plummet in price, causing substantial problems.

In not a single on of my posts on this entire forum have I ever been overly rude. In fact I have done my best to be polite, albeit in a sarcastic way. I would thank you to check the facts before making a claim.

I'd like to point out that Fissure Armor for warriors is ugly as sin.

If you are rich and enjoy looking like a walking trashcan, knock yourself out. I can afford fissure armor, but have no desire to give up my current armor for something that makes "me" look like a chicken-legged trashcan.

The helm is nice, tho. I'll get me one of them.

A better money sink would be (I THINK) having weapons that deteriorate over time and (therefore) either need to be replaced or repaired. There could be a repair shop where you had to pay a fee (based on the strength and rarity of your item) to have it repaired to like-new condition. Just like with cars in real life. If you have the same Honda Civic as everyone else, then it doesn't cost too much to fix. If you drive a Ferrari, you'll pay as much for a repair as someone else might for their Honda.

Just an idea.

Fissure armor (for warriors) is butt ugly.

That would bring about a whole new delima as youd see an overabundance of casters since they dont use their weapon for dmg. warrios would fall off the map for the most part.

This is completely true, but when did buying a skill or item with faction or from a skill point gained from exp ever give you an item that was worth 11k at the present prices?

I swear, if one more person says "it's jsut collector's armor, it doesnt matter, you dont need it" then you're just painting yourself a redundant moron.

I'm not even complaining about WANTING Fissure Armor that bad.

I'm pointing out a disgusting hypocricy in ANet's game.

They're trying to reduce farming, and people who are trying to find exploits in order to gain gold. Ok. Good. I wish they could. But they keep the price of Fissure Armor (The main reason people farm in the first place... to get the useless cosmetic gear or to get a sword with a nice mod that in the end won't help at all) incredibly high.

ARENA NET IS ENCOURAGING EVERYTHING THEY OPENLY DISCOURAGE BY KEEPING FISSURE ARMOR THE PRICE IT IS.

Can no one see that?!

Hell, they'd make the economy 100x better if you could buy a perfect Sundering Crystaline of Fortitude 15>50 for 50k at Droknar's. People farm, people use ebay, people exploit this game because they want useless status symbols.

People wan't recognition for being the best of the best? give them golden armor and enormous PvE power-ups if they have held control of HoH for a certain period of time. Do something... But if they want to stop exploitation, they need to take away the cause. People exploit because they want that perfect sword that will only do an extra two damage to a Stone Summit. People want the armor that looks cool, but does nothing. It's a money sink, yes... but think about it....

How much money would a sink have to drain if people would stop trying so hard to bring money into the economy in the first place?

Good point, which is one of the reasons I said I did not approve of the idea.

Actualy, that is mainly the community. If everyone suddenly stopped buying ectoplasms, and sold any they had to the trader, the price would go down drastically. As was said earlier, the actual crafting price of FoW armor is the same as 15k armor. The materials are not. I would love a way to earn the materials through quests, and I do not care whether it would take me 6 hours to get two ectos from the UW, because as I have said before, farming is not my thing. Now, besides the fact that ANet will not realistically make any changes suggested in this thread, many, many people seem to not like the idea, seem to think it would make FoW armor a piece of cake to get and not require any work. I obviously disagree with this, but have said as much and more before.

Now, if only ANet would step in and tell us why they have reduced the drops so badly in UW and FoW as to make it well-nigh unattainable without large farming investments, and I would be a happy man

So would I.

I want to know why it's not possible to get Fissure Armor if we're starting now.

You'll notice I did not say impossible, merely much more difficult than it was originally.

farm for a year and you can get it.

ferrari taste with a moped budget

this is not for the casual gamer
this is not for the average gamer
this is not for the avid gamer

this is for the super dedicated gamer (less than .1 %)

This is a place to put our ideas what we want to have in the game. Any people could post ideas in here no matter how dumb other people may think it is. This is also a place where people could give comment on your ideas, but try to comment in a positive and corrective way and avoid flaming and used of vulgar words. Check the code of conduct thread. i forgot the link.

Originally Posted by Melkor of ZoSo
So would I.

I want to know why it's not possible to get Fissure Armor if we're starting now.

yeah, it's not for casual, average, avid players but for super dedicated players but I see it would become a big problem to new players who might be super dedicated player. They might want the fissure armor so bad and become super, super dedicated and might even forget that they have a real life

or if you want to start working on fissure armor now, you must be more than super dedicated player. You must become super insanely mad dedicated player.

Avoid suck-upping too.

Fissure armor is possible to get, you can farm for it when people first found out about the 15k armor a lot of people couldnt afford it, armors are becoming the only things that seperate what some people can and cannot get, before sarrow's furnace, it would be almost impossible to get a perfect upgraded weapon and the traders had all the weapons people wanted and could not get because they didn't farm or didnt trade and didnt have gold and people complained about that, FoW/UW are supposed to be the hardest places to fight in the game other than arenas, the reason why they lowered the drop rate on ecto was because people were using the 55 monk build to get and the same people who were trying to get fissure armor were most likely using the build aswell and are now complaining that it's impossible to get fissure armor because the ecto/shard is hard to optain look at the ecto as being a rare item from a mission or something, you're not gonna get them every run and when you get ecto it doesn't say common crafting material it says rare crafting material if you want to avoid having to farm for hours and hours go to UW and do 2 man smite runs 1 55monk/1echo nuker and stop comlaining about the economy being all messed up because anet is not gonna change the last thing rich players have over other players

Does Anyone have current (within the last few days) pictures of the materials needed for each class of FoW armor?

I'd like to start my 6 month farming trip to save up but I need to know what to save for.

I don't like the fact that the prices of ecto keeps going up but till something hotter comes along I will have to try and get FoW armor. But maybe when the next installment comes out FoW may be easier to obtain.
N8

N8DOGG, go do a search on Fissure armor requirements, it doesn't change.

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I'm closing this thread not because there aren't some ideas worth exploring in it, but because it's pretty much degenerated into flaming. Next time, try giving just a suggestion and not bringing up any debates. That can be discussed somewhere else.