What computers do the average users have for Guildwars?

Mss Drizzt

Mss Drizzt

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2005

communist state of NJ

Quote:
Originally Posted by czymann
Ha I got you all beat.
700 mhz p3
394 mb ram
64mb geforce2
souldblaster live
Nearly 4 years old and still a kickin.Of course new comp is in the near future.I've been waiting till prices and tech became a lil more stable.Getting the best out there and spending top dollar only to have new tech at better prices 5 months down the road doesn't appeal to me

Yea but going on that model you will never get a new one. EVERY 18 months computers have doubled in horse power and so have graphics.

Virtuoso

Virtuoso

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by czymann
I've been waiting till prices and tech became a lil more stable.Getting the best out there and spending top dollar only to have new tech at better prices 5 months down the road doesn't appeal to me
Good luck with that one. That's just the way technology works. Best thing to do is find the best deals you can right now. For example, I bought my AMD Barton 2500+ for like $80, and it outperforms most Pentium 4's that cost 3x as much.

If you wait for prices to drop there will be new hardware out soon and your stuff will no longer be "top of the line." If you buy brand new technology you are paying a huge premium to be "top of the line" for the next 6-12 months.

-Virt

spiritofcat

spiritofcat

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2005

Sydney, Australia

Order of the Sanguine Dragon [OSD]

E/Mo

Desktop:
AMD Athlon XP 3200+
Gigabyte GA-7VT600P-RZ Mobo
GeForce FX5700 256MB
512MB PC3200 DDR (400Mhz) RAM
2x Seagate 7200RPM 80GB SATA HDDs in Raid 0
Ectiva 5.1 Soundcard
2 speakers and a sub (all black)
Black 17" Philips 107E5 CRT
Black MS optical wheelmouse
Black keyboard
Black case
Black desk

Laptop:
Toshiba Satellite 1410
1.8GHz Celeron
GeForce 420 Go
256MB RAM
20GB HDD
14" LCD

I played the E3 preview on my laptop and it worked beautifully.
Pre-ordered today so soon I'll get to try it on my desktop beast!

iczer

iczer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Virtuoso
Not rich, just smart. If you would have built our own computer instead of buying a deal you'd probably have a better PC than most of us.

-Virt

True, my built pc cost me a total, for all components, of around $500 and from the benchmarks I ran against it, its performance is equal to a P4-3.4ghz

vas moon

vas moon

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2005

shiverpeak

Zealots of Shiverpeak

i agree building a pc is a great experience -- it will teach the person doing it a great deal about their machine.

the only disadvantage i see in building your own is that most consumer machines have a decent software package that can be expensive if purchased a la carte

Quote:
Originally Posted by Virtuoso
I am really surprised by the number of Intel users in this post. I thought AMD had a much better market share than that, atleast amongst gamers. But then again, it does look like most of the people in this thread bought their PCs instead of building them, so that may explain it.
i had an amd system but i often leave the case open and my 3 year old thought it would be fun to pour soda pop on my mobo

and i agree amd rocks!

lol so now it is in the basement on the parts table ... in my free time i need to build a few more.

Striker Shardale

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2005

Twin Cities, Minnesota

Serious Gaming -SG-

R/Mo

Nice rigs. By the way X... very very nice rig.

Current rig:

-AMD Athlon 64 2200+
-GeForce FX 5900
-120GB HDD, 60GB HDD
-one stick of 512 DDR, and a stick of 256 DDR....do not feel like doing math right now
-8x DVD-ROM
-52x24x52x CD-RW
-Saitek Gamer Keyboard
-Logitech Special Edition Optical
-18' Samsung Flat-Screen

Currently working on a new rig.... got to love the SLI

Virtuoso

Virtuoso

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Striker Shardale
-AMD Athlon 64 2200+


Typo?

Oh, and grats on the new SLI motherboard. What graphics cards are you going to get?

-Virt

Striker Shardale

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2005

Twin Cities, Minnesota

Serious Gaming -SG-

R/Mo

Sry if it is a typo, I just got done with my psychology class and I am sort of drained.

I plan on putting in two GeForce 6800 Ultras or GT... almost have enough money for it all. I am planning to put about 2,500 into the computer at first.... then possibly $50 more on crap so I can mod the case. Tis was I like to do on my spare time, that is when I have the money lol

CheopisIV

CheopisIV

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2005

Calgary, AB

Quote:
Originally Posted by Virtuoso
I am really surprised by the number of Intel users in this post. I thought AMD had a much better market share than that, atleast amongst gamers. But then again, it does look like most of the people in this thread bought their PCs instead of building them, so that may explain it.

-Virt
Sorry Virt, but when I see the AMD moniker I just blanche. I stayed away from them because of their poor choice for marketing. When I see a proc at 2.2GHz being called a 3200+ in relation to its comparative performance to a P4, I read it as saying "almost P4 3200". They admit that the old naming scheme was based on this, comparing their processor to the Pentium....what I mean by this is, would you buy "Almost Pepsi" if you were looking for a drink? Or drive an "almost Ferrari?" I wouldn't. Of course this is just my opinion, not right not wrong, just right for me. I've never bought a PC, always built, and I agree that it costs about 1/3 the price to build rather than buy, and you get what you want.

Genosha

Genosha

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

Cowville, CA.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CheopisIV
When I see a proc at 2.2GHz being called a 3200+ in relation to its comparative performance to a P4, I read it as saying "almost P4 3200". They admit that the old naming scheme was based on this, comparing their processor to the Pentium....what I mean by this is, would you buy "Almost Pepsi" if you were looking for a drink? Or drive an "almost Ferrari?" I wouldn't. Of course this is just my opinion, not right not wrong, just right for me. I've never bought a PC, always built, and I agree that it costs about 1/3 the price to build rather than buy, and you get what you want.
1 thing to think of is, if you want stabiliby go Pentium , if you wanna over clock go AMD , If you want a computer at all go there step-downs .

Virtuoso

Virtuoso

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by CheopisIV
Sorry Virt, but when I see the AMD moniker I just blanche. I stayed away from them because of their poor choice for marketing. When I see a proc at 2.2GHz being called a 3200+ in relation to its comparative performance to a P4, I read it as saying "almost P4 3200". They admit that the old naming scheme was based on this, comparing their processor to the Pentium....what I mean by this is, would you buy "Almost Pepsi" if you were looking for a drink? Or drive an "almost Ferrari?" I wouldn't. Of course this is just my opinion, not right not wrong, just right for me. I've never bought a PC, always built, and I agree that it costs about 1/3 the price to build rather than buy, and you get what you want.
It is really more of a technical reason than a marketing reason, and if they didn't use "3200+" and the like then they'd lose even more business to the uninformed masses. The reason why an AMD at 2.2GHz is labeled a 3200+ is because it is equivelent to a P4 3.4GHz. How is that possible, you ask? GHz is not a realible measure of how much work a processor can do. GHz is frequency, how often a chip goes through a "cycle".

Now, I am going to use some loose numbers and terms here, just to make things a little clearer. Let's say your P4 (Intel) is 5MHz, or goes through 5 cycles in a second, and thay my Athlon XP (AMD) is 2MHz, or goes through 2 cycles in a second. Now, any common person would tell you that the Intel is "faster" than the AMD. Here's why they're wrong. If your Intel can add 2+2 one (1) time per MHz (cycle), than it can do 5 2+2's (calculations) per second. But if my AMD can add 2+2 three (3) times per MHz (cycle), then it can do 6 2+2's (calculations) per second. Therefore, my AMD is "faster" than your Intel by 1 2+2 (calculation) per second with less than half the MHz. So, using AMDs naming scheme my made up AMD processor would be called a "0006+"

Please understand that I am not trying to belittle anyone with this post, I am just trying to explain it so everyone can understand it. If you have any questions about my post, please feel free to ask as I enjoy helping users make more informed decisions about their computers.

Did this clear anything up for anyone or am I a really crappy explainer?

-Virt

Striker Shardale

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2005

Twin Cities, Minnesota

Serious Gaming -SG-

R/Mo

Actually from my experience, Intel has been far less reliable than AMD. Every computer my parents got with a Pentium in it ended up lasting no more than 4 years...which seems like a long time but if you take away the time for having problems with them it was about half that time.

Our AMD based PCs on the other hand have been lasting us far longer...I am 19 and I made my PC when I was 17 and have yet had a problem with it. The only things I have had to change was the graphics card, because it was out of date and the processor because I wanted an AMD 64.

AMD is also perfect for overclocking, hopefully sometime I can get a freon cooling system and have some more fun with it.

Striker Shardale

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2005

Twin Cities, Minnesota

Serious Gaming -SG-

R/Mo

Virt, overall you are just crappy.

J00 JU57 G07 53RV3D!!!

Virtuoso

Virtuoso

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Striker Shardale
Virt, overall you are just crappy.

J00 JU57 G07 53RV3D!!!
tee hee hee

-Virt

Striker Shardale

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2005

Twin Cities, Minnesota

Serious Gaming -SG-

R/Mo

But hey, don't take my word for it.

::Music from Reading Rainbow plays in the background::


~< Striker >~

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

if you were reading the articles when the (+) started AMD was very explicit that they were refering to a performance comparison to an earlier AMD chip not intel pentium

NEXT

MAXIMUM PC magazine in a recent issue beat the blazes out of intels latest extreme edition matched against AMD best chip and the benchmarks showed AMD the clear winner in spite of lagging in speed by more than a gigahertz so if the (+) means almost a pentium you might compare pentium to NEW COKE

NEXT

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BEAT THIS

packard bell

dx2-66 mhz

8 megabytes ram

1 megabyte video ram onboard

570 megabyte hard drive

pb integrated sound

3.20 spealers (3 dollar and 20 cents)

2x read only cd

Perishiko ReLLiK

Perishiko ReLLiK

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

Divine Guardians of the Soul (Soul)

Mo/E

(I'm not very "computer literate", don't remember how to find specifics)

Well, my computer was meant to be a simple desktop computer used for documents and work... boring crap.

So, i stepped it up a little notch.

Gave it the most i could, adding the GeForce FX 5200 (best memory card it could handle accoarding to the store guy)

Also, i gave it an upgrade in ram... up to 511 (even tho i thought 512 was the standard.)
All its slots are filled... im running with a cable connection, and a low end pentium 3 proccessor.

It normaly has room for just one game on it at a time... unless it's a really old game, so i have to unistall / install (which i don't think is good for the poor thing)

I still run things fine on this game, every once in a while I'll get a "lag spike" as i call it, in which everything goes insane and it nearly freezes up. Good thing that doesnt happen often... It happened more last event, but this one, it happened just once.

NiteX

NiteX

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2005

Camelot

AMD-64 3400+
X800 Pro
1 GB DDR

CheopisIV

CheopisIV

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2005

Calgary, AB

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
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BEAT THIS

packard bell

dx2-66 mhz

8 megabytes ram

1 megabyte video ram onboard

570 megabyte hard drive

pb integrated sound

3.20 spealers (3 dollar and 20 cents)

2x read only cd
Actual PC to run my parent's print shop in the mid 90's;

486/DX2 50
8MB Ram (originally 4MB, upgraded for $2400 to run business apps)
some form of integrated graphics...still unsure
SB 16 compatible sound (Nice!!)
260MB HDD, no matter, we had a parallel Iomega Zip 100 drive (now sitting in my closet)
State of the art 3.5" floppy
5.25" standard
CD?!? Whats a CD?


When you think about though, absolutely nothing compares to the old Radio Shack TRS-80 and its optional tape drive!!

Lansing Kai Don

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2005

Kansas

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mss Drizzt
Yea but going on that model you will never get a new one. EVERY 18 months computers have doubled in horse power and so have graphics.
Not anymore, they've run into a block. They just can't get it any smaller (which is what increases the speed) w/o running into serious heat issues. Their still improving but why do you think they jumped to 64 bit processors, their hoping having everything run in parallel will boost performance (which it does to a point... e.g. parallel cables were fast till a serial bus cable came along called USB that now operates at 480Mbps).

Oh, and I am running the following right now as my main gaming machine (I have 2 others and a laptop that friends play on) and a rack server with a drive tray for storage... old though don't use it except when fiddling.

XP 3200+
ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe
2x512MB Dual Channel DDR PC3200
128MB Radeon 9800 Pro
2x200GB SATA Seagate Barracuda Drives in RAID 0
Old CD-RW and old CD-ROM

I just have to put in a word for the Zalman heatsink/fans... they run quiet and do an excellent job cooling.

Lansing Kai Don

shayol

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2005

utah

Here are my system specs. nothing too great.

P4 3.0 HT socket 775
1 gig DDR2
FX6600 GT 128 DDR3 PCI-EXPRESS
2 36GIG RAPTOR 10K RPM (SATA RAID 0)
1 80 GIG 7200 HDD FOR WINDOWS INCASE MY RAID GOES DOWN I STILL HAVE WINDOWS.
AUDIGY 2
DVD-RW
19" MONITOR.

not to bad. I still can run ut2004 with max everything at 1280 x 1024 res and still get an average of 70-90 fps. doom 3 with the same settings i get 60 fps.

Striker Shardale

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2005

Twin Cities, Minnesota

Serious Gaming -SG-

R/Mo

Well, no matter what anybody says; I still dislike Intel but not as much as ATI (And in no way am I saying their products suck, I just dislike them due to personal experiences and testing I have viewed)....LONG LIVE NVIDIA!!!!!

Mss Drizzt

Mss Drizzt

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2005

communist state of NJ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lansing Kai Don
Not anymore, they've run into a block. They just can't get it any smaller (which is what increases the speed) w/o running into serious heat issues. Their still improving but why do you think they jumped to 64 bit processors, their hoping having everything run in parallel will boost performance (which it does to a point... e.g. parallel cables were fast till a serial bus cable came along called USB that now operates at 480Mbps).

Lansing Kai Don

They just got smaller.

Owend

Owend

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2005

California

Dell Dimension 4600C
Pentium 4 2.4 Ghz 533 Mhz FSB
1024 MB DDR SDRAM PC2700 333 Mhz
40GB HD 7200 RPM
ATI Radeon 9600 SE 128 MB AGP 8X
17"Flat Panel Monitor
integrated audio
Altec Lansing speakers
Logitec MX510 mouse
Comcast HS Cable

CheopisIV

CheopisIV

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2005

Calgary, AB

Quote:
Originally Posted by Striker Shardale
Well, no matter what anybody says; I still dislike Intel but not as much as ATI (And in no way am I saying their products suck, I just dislike them due to personal experiences and testing I have viewed)....LONG LIVE NVIDIA!!!!!

I'm with you...after owning 3 different Nvidia cards and then trying an ATI, I prefer the support and functionality of the Nvidia over ATI. I have to run 3rd party drivers (Omega) to make some newer games actually work!..Next build I'm going back.

Mss Drizzt

Mss Drizzt

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2005

communist state of NJ

This ATI Nvidia war has been a long one and will continue. I hope it does.
It will force each of them to continue comming out with better products for us.

I use ATI at the moment. I will use wichever is the best when I build my next super computer.

Because dam people have monsters out thier.

MY DREAM

AMD 4100+ x4
dual 6800 gts in sli
4 gig ram
1 tera hdd
42" LCD
To bad i'm broke.

Virtuoso

Virtuoso

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

42 inch LCD? Not even considering the refresh time on that bad boy, I bet that'd be almost impossible to play on. I mean, that's just TOO big. A lot of my friends complain that they can't play on my 21 inch CRT because they can't see the whole thing without moving their head. I can't imagine how far back you'd have to sit to see the whole screen on a 42 inch LCD.

-Virt

Mss Drizzt

Mss Drizzt

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2005

communist state of NJ

It is a Dream. A want. Probably a Never going to get. LOL


Wireless keyboard and mouse. Not a problem.

Striker Shardale

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2005

Twin Cities, Minnesota

Serious Gaming -SG-

R/Mo

Only reason why I have replaced my graphics cards or processors was to make sure I have been up to date.

Well, until ATI releases dual vid card power and cards that are not crap and need constant updates... NVIDIA will reign supreme.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mss Drizzt
This ATI Nvidia war has been a long one and will continue. I hope it does.
It will force each of them to continue comming out with better products for us.

I use ATI at the moment. I will use wichever is the best when I build my next super computer.

Because dam people have monsters out thier.

MY DREAM

AMD 4100+ x4
dual 6800 gts in sli
4 gig ram
1 tera hdd
42" LCD
To bad i'm broke.
i know someone who has that but better

quad opterons 3 gig each

the 6800 ultras SLI

32 gigs ram

and the hard drive space

it is a server that costs almost a car in value

Chev of Hardass

Chev of Hardass

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2005

Under a rock

zP

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
i know someone who has that but better

quad opterons 3 gig each

the 6800 ultras SLI

32 gigs ram

and the hard drive space

it is a server that costs almost a car in value
Can we have a guild wars party at their house?

staindreality

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2005

well mine doesnt compete with most of yours but mine is:
dell
pentium 4 2.4 mhz
1gig ram
4200ti geforce 4 (? i just ordered a leadtech geforce 6600gt and should be in tomorrow. i was wondering if anyone new if my power supply will be ok to support the card with my dell?)
cd rom drive
cd/rw drive
sound blaster live

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by staindreality
well mine doesnt compete with most of yours but mine is:
dell
pentium 4 2.4 mhz
1gig ram
4200ti geforce 4 (? i just ordered a leadtech geforce 6600gt and should be in tomorrow. i was wondering if anyone new if my power supply will be ok to support the card with my dell?)
cd rom drive
cd/rw drive
sound blaster live
the dell power supply will be on the wimpy side

call their tech support and ask if the 600gt will strain the power supply of your model pc

you will be very happy with the 6600GT as it will make a huge difference

it takes an external power plug but it does not have to be dedicated to the card (it can be split as it is not too power hungry)

mine came with an included splitter but my supply had several extras hanging around so i used one of them

EDIT

mine is leadtec also and came with prince of persia and i think splinter cell plus the usual utilities and dvd maker

if you get a power supply treat it as an investment and dont get a cheapie as you will regret it

i use ANTEC power supplies which have served well for some time

presently using a antec true power 380 and the one i am presently working on gets the antec true power 430

staindreality

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2005

thanks loviatar for the info. maybe catch ya sometime on gw.

Genosha

Genosha

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

Cowville, CA.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Virtuoso
For example, I bought my AMD Barton 2500+ for like $80, and it outperforms most Pentium 4's that cost 3x as much.
Umm... Better than Pentium 4? Yeah Okay... Not to bash you, But I dought that and My P4 was cheaper than all the AMD's even the 64bit AMD's at at Fry's Electronics... (It's a second home when I have money.) Plus, for what I picked up a 3.4ghz intel with motherboard & memory I couldn't touch any of the AMD's motherboard Processor combos without memory. Besides that AMD is Phasing out anything not 64bit on the processors & boards.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Genosha
. Besides that AMD is Phasing out anything not 64bit on the processors & boards.
not true at all

the duron is going and the athlon xp will replace the athlon as the main budget chip which will last for at least a few years more

you have to consider that the 64 bit market at the present is small and will not be the recognized assumed processor for years especially without software and a 64 bit os to run it on most pcs

considering the number of people 3 years from now who will still be 32 bit they will have to provide or lose company breaking market share

and the latest top cpu shootout from maximum pc shows AMD a clear winner over intels EXTREME EDITION pentium 4 in spite of running a gig slower than the p4

Scizor

Scizor

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Lol that one person typed 2.4mhz lmfao, sorry i know its a typo but still that cracks me up.

Genosha

Genosha

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

Cowville, CA.

I'm sorry, but I've burnt up 2 AMD's 1 a XP the other Athlon, neither held up to the 1 I have now. I run processor killing programs (Multi-tasking all the time) and the Intel has out run the AMD so far. Of course I do realize that the average user thinks that AMD is better by what the bench mark is, but what about the amout of time it is used over. I burned up 2 AMD in about 1 year each and 1 year plus later my Intel is still kickin' and I give it just as much love.. In fact a little more. (NOTE: I don't overclock my PC I think it's a waste of time.) It's a matter of what you have used and how much you've used it. This is my 10th motherboard and 4 computer since having a 486 33Mhz. I think I know what works and what to look for.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

the first one i tinkered with was a dx2-66

i have had both intel and amd with straight amd since the old 1.4 thunderbird core

i have never fried a cpu yet and never gone above 55C in temp

i dont deny you have had problems but all i can say is that i have not

it simply works out to whatever works for you and there is room for all

DarkWasp

DarkWasp

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Paradise

Agency Of Forbidden Fruits [Oot]

R/A

Amd Athlon XP 2500+ 1.83GHZ
1 gig of ram (become quite the standard these days)
ATI Radeon 9700 PRO

This PC is custom built by me.