Hello Everyone-
Lately I've been seeing a trend in GW. The purpose of a runner is to take his client(s) from point A to point B for a sum of money. Even though GW has its own economy and a runner tries his best to get the most clients, this poses a problem. I have seen runners go from Ascalon to Beakon's Perch for as little as 1 Platinum and seen some run for tips just to beat a runner like me that's asking 2.5 Plat. OK-so he gets the run from me, but in the end, everyone that wants a run in the future will expect it for that price and pretty soon, all the runners will be working for peanuts.
Believe me, if they really want to go, they'll pay your price. I'm not suggesting we rip off the people we run, but I feel as you are working to get them there-why do it for a tip? Trust me-there's enough players that want runs that you don't need to cut other runners throats and eventually your own and everyone else's in the future. Isn't it bad enough that we get scammed sometimes with no recourse like they have if a runner scams them?
Runner's Plight
Sir Loino Beef
HellBoy
I'm one of those that will do that to thiefs like you. 2.5 K from Ascalon to Beacons is thievery. So when I see a ripoff, I'll take your group from you and do the run for free. If you don't like it, be fair in pricing, and if you can't do that then don't run people. Let them fight it out like we did.
NekoZ
I do it for free. I never take money or tips. Usually run from Ascalon to every place in desert.
EDIT- (Person below me) That to, when the Mad Knight halloween contest was going, I ran new players there in bunches so they wouldn't miss their chance.
EDIT- (Person below me) That to, when the Mad Knight halloween contest was going, I ran new players there in bunches so they wouldn't miss their chance.
Tactical-Dillusions
I missed the Mad King so i could do two seperate runs from Ascalonian areas to LA for FREE.
Dax
You're right- why should I tip someone, let alone pay to have someone run me?
I'd rather play myself thank you.
Do you want some cheese to go along with that whine?
I'd rather play myself thank you.
Do you want some cheese to go along with that whine?
Mavrik
you guys are pretty lame. People farm and get insane amounts of gold and ask insane prices for their "uber" items they found and want to sell. Its a form of income for them. Same as running. Running is also a form of income and no more an act of theft then farming and then spamming the towns with "WTS" crap which should be in the trade channel but isn't.
I will agree that 2.5k is a little much for a ascalon to beacon perch run. But nothing wrong with a runner doing what he/she has to to make money.
I will agree that 2.5k is a little much for a ascalon to beacon perch run. But nothing wrong with a runner doing what he/she has to to make money.
Shimus DarkRaven
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Originally Posted by Mavrik
you guys are pretty lame. People farm and get insane amounts of gold and ask insane prices for their "uber" items they found and want to sell. Its a form of income for them. Same as running. Running is also a form of income and no more an act of theft then farming and then spamming the towns with "WTS" crap which should be in the trade channel but isn't.
I will agree that 2.5k is a little much for a ascalon to beacon perch run. But nothing wrong with a runner doing what he/she has to to make money. |
Plus, it's all player-character reliant. He/She charges what He/She thinks their time is worth, or at least how IT SHOULD be calculated.
--The Shim
EternalTempest
It's a living player driven economy. I have nothing against running (except to be uber and faction farm in the strating arena's).
I was runed from Beckon -> Draknor's off of tips as two people tested a new build. I go for the chepeast. Be it tips (and I do tip what I can afford) or if I aggree to a set price, I abide by it.
I do admit the Frointer Gate to Ruins of Sumira and some runs are flat out rip off.
There are going to be the "profession" of running and people who do it for free / off of tips and I don't see it changing.
I also like to hook up with new players help them out in asclon, get them to new locations, and have done some free running too.
I was runed from Beckon -> Draknor's off of tips as two people tested a new build. I go for the chepeast. Be it tips (and I do tip what I can afford) or if I aggree to a set price, I abide by it.
I do admit the Frointer Gate to Ruins of Sumira and some runs are flat out rip off.
There are going to be the "profession" of running and people who do it for free / off of tips and I don't see it changing.
I also like to hook up with new players help them out in asclon, get them to new locations, and have done some free running too.
blink4ever_tbarker
2.5k from Ascalon to Beacons is a blind ripoff!
You are simply taking advantage of newer players in the hope that they will find something new and exiting at Beacons. All runs should be free. If someone wants to run someone, it is because they want to think that they are superior in knowledge and pwoer in that game and that is not always the case. Although I've had runs in the past, it is out of pure kindness--not for profit.
You are simply taking advantage of newer players in the hope that they will find something new and exiting at Beacons. All runs should be free. If someone wants to run someone, it is because they want to think that they are superior in knowledge and pwoer in that game and that is not always the case. Although I've had runs in the past, it is out of pure kindness--not for profit.
The_Janitor
Sheesh..you guys are taking it way too far on Loino. If there was no running, it would probably be quite hard for some people to progress through the game. If there was no such thing as running, I would be a very poor guy in game. Since they nerfed farming,etc.. I have a lack of money now. So runs are one of the dominant ways for me to make money. And 2.5k for a run from Ascalon to Beacon's is reasonable, I would say maybe 1.5-2k would be okay. Saying stuff like.."would u liek sum cheese wit that whine? lolz" is just extremely immature. I know whoever said that didn't say that exactly..but more to the point.
Raz Silverwing
I run but I do tips when I just want to run, and when I do charge it's 15k for a 2 hour long run from Ascalon to almost all the desert cities.
15k is the average tip I recieve for that run, and I establish a average tip for every run I do, like Lion's Arch to TotA is 500 gold a person.
15k is the average tip I recieve for that run, and I establish a average tip for every run I do, like Lion's Arch to TotA is 500 gold a person.
Sir Loino Beef
I guess most everyone here missed the point of this post. In order for me to run you from Point A to Point B, I spent many hours playing the game, doing the missions and quests, leveling my character and saving my gold to get my armor and runes so that I could run some lameass level 3 that's too lazy to do it to Beakon's Perch to get his armor because he BOUGHT his gold from EBAY. Not to mention the fact that the run takes a considerable amount of time to do. And you call me a "ripoff"-how funny is that. I think I may even raise my price now. And to all you "runners" that do it for free-you deserve what you get.
In reply to the post of me taking advantage of newer players-most of the people i run are players that have started a NEW character and want to power level it through.
Tell you what,next time you climb into a taxi, ask the driver if he'll take you for free or just for the tip and see how fast you're walking to your destination.
In reply to the post of me taking advantage of newer players-most of the people i run are players that have started a NEW character and want to power level it through.
Tell you what,next time you climb into a taxi, ask the driver if he'll take you for free or just for the tip and see how fast you're walking to your destination.
Dax
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Originally Posted by Sir Loino Beef
I guess most everyone here missed the point of this post. In order for me to run you from Point A to Point B, I spent many hours playing the game, doing the missions and quests, leveling my character and saving my gold to get my armor and runes so that I could run some lameass level 3 that's too lazy to do it to Beakon's Perch to get his armor because he BOUGHT his gold from EBAY. Not to mention the fact that the run takes a considerable amount of time to do. And you call me a "ripoff"-how funny is that. I think I may even raise my price now. And to all you "runners" that do it for free-you deserve what you get.
Tell you what,next time you climb into a taxi, ask the driver if he'll take you for free or just for the tip and see how fast you're walking to your destination. |
You can easily play the game without anyone's help, I don't think you're ripping people off but facilitating a service I don't believe in. But since you are doing something that many people use to rush through the game, it doesn't surprise me the clientel don't tip or think your price is too high. Anotherwords consider your target clients.
Keyote
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Originally Posted by The_Janitor
Sheesh..you guys are taking it way too far on Loino. If there was no running, it would probably be quite hard for some people to progress through the game.
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People pay for convenience, not because the trip is too difficult without.
Fyre Brand
The economy is player driven. If someone is going to offer the service cheaper than you are, and that is how they want to spend their game time, then you can't really complain about that.
Most people will pay some amount, so if you lower your price and make yourself competative then you will spend less time waiting for a fill group and you can make more runs and thus more money.
Another option is that since it is starting from Ascalon, you could petition Adelburn and ask him to impose a government regulated pricing structure in accordance with a competative free trade act. I have a feeling, however, that this might take some time to imlplement as he is spending most of his time arguing with Rurick at Nolani.
Most people will pay some amount, so if you lower your price and make yourself competative then you will spend less time waiting for a fill group and you can make more runs and thus more money.
Another option is that since it is starting from Ascalon, you could petition Adelburn and ask him to impose a government regulated pricing structure in accordance with a competative free trade act. I have a feeling, however, that this might take some time to imlplement as he is spending most of his time arguing with Rurick at Nolani.
pyrohex
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AncientPC
1) Runners exist because there is a demand.
2) If someone is running to Beacon's for free, so be it. Let them waste 30 minutes running someone for free.
3) If a player can't afford the run, he doesn't need it. The same applies to weapons / armor.
FYI I charge 5k for a run from Ascalon to Beacon's. Do I get very many people? No, but I don't run as a profession. Besides, I'll only run people who can afford it. I've been with a few free / tip runners, a lot of them suck and waste my time. I'd rather pay more and get it finished quicker.
The standard prices for runs
Ascalon to Yak's: 1k
Yak to Beacon's: 1k
Beacon's to Droks: 3k
Beacon's to TOA: 2-3k
TOA to Sanctum: 1-2k
Sanctum mission: 500-1.5k
Each desert town: 400-500g.
Elona Reach mission: 500-1.5k
Thirsty mission: 4-10k
Camp Rankor to War Camp: 2k
War Camp to Citadel: 2-5k
War Camp / Citadel to Copperhammer: 5-10k
2) If someone is running to Beacon's for free, so be it. Let them waste 30 minutes running someone for free.
3) If a player can't afford the run, he doesn't need it. The same applies to weapons / armor.
FYI I charge 5k for a run from Ascalon to Beacon's. Do I get very many people? No, but I don't run as a profession. Besides, I'll only run people who can afford it. I've been with a few free / tip runners, a lot of them suck and waste my time. I'd rather pay more and get it finished quicker.
The standard prices for runs
Ascalon to Yak's: 1k
Yak to Beacon's: 1k
Beacon's to Droks: 3k
Beacon's to TOA: 2-3k
TOA to Sanctum: 1-2k
Sanctum mission: 500-1.5k
Each desert town: 400-500g.
Elona Reach mission: 500-1.5k
Thirsty mission: 4-10k
Camp Rankor to War Camp: 2k
War Camp to Citadel: 2-5k
War Camp / Citadel to Copperhammer: 5-10k
Lord Oranos
Ok, ok, so what everyone seems to be saying is they want something for nothing nowadays. That run should be 3k even because it would take you some time to make it there normaly. Im sick of people asking for handouts in this game, running is a legitimate form of making money and if you cant pay for a run there, maybe you dont deserve to be run there in the first place. Some people are not in it to be "nice", some actualy depend on that flow of money to purchase things they want to use. And really do you actualy think most people that run for tips are being nice? No. They usualy make more money doing that. As my friend has demonstrated with his 15k armor on each of his chars.
What Im trying to say is, stop bashing runners because you think they charge too much. Maybe you dont take it into account that they are the ones doing the work, not you.
What Im trying to say is, stop bashing runners because you think they charge too much. Maybe you dont take it into account that they are the ones doing the work, not you.
Kazahana
people are free to charge whatever they want for goods or services that doesnt mean you have to pay that much if someone wants to charge 3k for ascalon to droks or something let them dont bother them about it by joining thier group and stealing thier clients make your own group and advertise
Shimus DarkRaven
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Originally Posted by AncientPC
1) Runners exist because there is a demand.
2) If someone is running to Beacon's for free, so be it. Let them waste 30 minutes running someone for free. 3) If a player can't afford the run, he doesn't need it. The same applies to weapons / armor. FYI I charge 5k for a run from Ascalon to Beacon's. Do I get very many people? No, but I don't run as a profession. Besides, I'll only run people who can afford it. I've been with a few free / tip runners, a lot of them suck and waste my time. I'd rather pay more and get it finished quicker. The standard prices for runs Ascalon to Yak's: 1k Yak to Beacon's: 1k Beacon's to Droks: 3k Beacon's to TOA: 2-3k TOA to Sanctum: 1-2k Sanctum mission: 500-1.5k Each desert town: 400-500g. Elona Reach mission: 500-1.5k Thirsty mission: 4-10k Camp Rankor to War Camp: 2k War Camp to Citadel: 2-5k War Camp / Citadel to Copperhammer: 5-10k |
--The Shim
AncientPC
Heh thanks, but it wouldn't be much of a guide. I just sit in a lot of trading districts and get a lot of runs.
iotc247
I personally am against running. I figure that if you want to play the game PLAY IT! Getting a run to Droknar's Forge so you can beat on people in Ascalon and Beacon's Perch arenas that are using the PROPER armor for their level, is annoying. If people were made to use have anything from end areas at a low level don't you think that A.net would have just had us all start off with the stuff?
AncientPC
That's the biggest drawback to running, twinking.
Most players (at least I think) get run to skip past tedious parts of the game they've already played through a few times. I just want to get my characters to Tombs and unlock certain skills.
Most players (at least I think) get run to skip past tedious parts of the game they've already played through a few times. I just want to get my characters to Tombs and unlock certain skills.
Shimus DarkRaven
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I personally am against running. I figure that if you want to play the game PLAY IT! Getting a run to Droknar's Forge so you can beat on people in Ascalon and Beacon's Perch arenas that are using the PROPER armor for their level, is annoying. If people were made to use have anything from end areas at a low level don't you think that A.net would have just had us all start off with the stuff?
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But yes, people buying money off ebay and running, although somewhat far-fetched <except for people with more money then time>, is the drawback to this.
--The Shim
Sofonisba
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Originally Posted by Sir Loino Beef
Believe me, if they really want to go, they'll pay your price.
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Yes, it is annoying when people beg for things. Yes, it is annoying when players get run to Drok's but can't afford the armor.
But, if I occasionally run a guildie somewhere, say ToA, why shouldn't I ask if anyone wants to come along for free? No skin off my teeth.
We have no trade agreement here, where I am forced to charge something just so you can stay in business.
Also, your services, although valuable to some, are not essential to for people playing the game. In the same vein, the money you make by running, is luxury, not necessary to playing.
Schorny
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Originally Posted by Lord Oranos
Ok, ok, so what everyone seems to be saying is they want something for nothing nowadays.
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The demand and suplly laws apply here. Therefore if someone offers a service for free, you can't blame him for that. It is his choice to 'waste' time (most likely it will be fun not work for him).
Running is a legal business. Saying running is 'lame' or stuff like that is like saying 'how lazy must someone be to go by taxi or bus instead of WALKING LIKE A MAN'.
Sluggs
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Originally Posted by Sir Loino Beef
I guess most everyone here missed the point of this post. In order for me to run you from Point A to Point B, I spent many hours playing the game, doing the missions and quests, leveling my character and saving my gold to get my armor and runes so that I could run some lameass level 3 that's too lazy to do it to Beakon's Perch to get his armor because he BOUGHT his gold from EBAY.
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If people think this game sucks so bad that they pay not to play it or demand to be paid for having played it maybe they ought to deinstall it and throw it in the trash.
Caleb
I run people for tips all the time. In the end, I make more gold than if I set a fixed figure for a variety of reasons.
#1 Less people try to "scam" you by not paying if they know before hand any payment is voluntary and the figure is at their discretion.
#2 Decent people know what other overpriced runners are charging, so they tip very well as a reward for you giving them the choice.
#3 Some people with little or no gold are the most appreciative, and may not be able to give you 2500 gold but they give you what they can - often an item or upgrade you can sell.
#4 Running for tips, you have a much larger customer base. Several times I've seen people spamming "RUNNING TO DROKS 4K AT RANKNOR" while my group is filling. Those same people are spamming "RUNNING TO DROKS 4K at RANKNOR 2 SPOTS LEFT" when I get back after just running a full group.
#5 If people don't pay, it's not the end of the world. While you have to chase people down and PM and scream and report, I will be with the next group "for tips" halfway to the destination.
In the end, it's all about choices. You choose how to spend your running/playing time and how to generate income, as do us "tip" runners. I prefer the volume and quick turnaround of my current setup, as I would rather be doing the run than sitting in an outpost waiting to fill a group.
And one fact is indisputable: If one runner is advertising experienced runner with 100 runs running for 4k per slot, and a second runner is advertising experienced runner with 100 runs running for tips upon safe arrival -- one group will certainly fill much faster than the other!
Best of luck in your game.
#1 Less people try to "scam" you by not paying if they know before hand any payment is voluntary and the figure is at their discretion.
#2 Decent people know what other overpriced runners are charging, so they tip very well as a reward for you giving them the choice.
#3 Some people with little or no gold are the most appreciative, and may not be able to give you 2500 gold but they give you what they can - often an item or upgrade you can sell.
#4 Running for tips, you have a much larger customer base. Several times I've seen people spamming "RUNNING TO DROKS 4K AT RANKNOR" while my group is filling. Those same people are spamming "RUNNING TO DROKS 4K at RANKNOR 2 SPOTS LEFT" when I get back after just running a full group.
#5 If people don't pay, it's not the end of the world. While you have to chase people down and PM and scream and report, I will be with the next group "for tips" halfway to the destination.
In the end, it's all about choices. You choose how to spend your running/playing time and how to generate income, as do us "tip" runners. I prefer the volume and quick turnaround of my current setup, as I would rather be doing the run than sitting in an outpost waiting to fill a group.
And one fact is indisputable: If one runner is advertising experienced runner with 100 runs running for 4k per slot, and a second runner is advertising experienced runner with 100 runs running for tips upon safe arrival -- one group will certainly fill much faster than the other!
Best of luck in your game.
Lord Oranos
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Originally Posted by Schorny
Go back to economic 101
The demand and suplly laws apply here. Therefore if someone offers a service for free, you can't blame him for that. It is his choice to 'waste' time (most likely it will be fun not work for him). Running is a legal business. Saying running is 'lame' or stuff like that is like saying 'how lazy must someone be to go by taxi or bus instead of WALKING LIKE A MAN'. |
iotc247
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Originally Posted by Shimus DarkRaven
Ever think some of these people deserved it? I mean, I only ran my last character slot <my monk> to droks for armor, I felt it was deserved as I never did that with my first 3.
But yes, people buying money off ebay and running, although somewhat far-fetched <except for people with more money then time>, is the drawback to this. --The Shim |
chippxero
At the end of the day people can charge what they want for anything in game, be it a service like running or an item, people will either pay or they won't, if people arn't willing to pay what you want either lower your price or wait for a new batch of customers (of which i'm sure theres many).
Reve2uk
i made the run from war camp to citedel with my monk after the runner failed :P
i don't see a problem with running and the only reason most ppl charge lots for the run from ascolon to perch is cos its a long run
and i normel do donation runs, but you would be suprised how many ppl give you a donation...........
i don't see a problem with running and the only reason most ppl charge lots for the run from ascolon to perch is cos its a long run
and i normel do donation runs, but you would be suprised how many ppl give you a donation...........
SlayerD
So while we on runner topic here wat do you think the price for running to Droknar Forge from Yak Bend or Beacon Perch should cost 
-Loki-
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Originally Posted by The_Janitor
Sheesh..you guys are taking it way too far on Loino. If there was no running, it would probably be quite hard for some people to progress through the game.
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jules
hmmm.. I ran a guildie from yaks to beacons before using a ranger with maxed WS and expertise and packing all stances. I have to say it was surprisingly easy. Go figure.
Shimus DarkRaven
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Originally Posted by iotc247
In my opinion no one deserves to get a run to another area. If this was the purpose of the game then there would be no monsters in the areas. The whole purpose of the game is to get a group and fight your way through the game. If you think you deserve it you mine as well say "Well I didn't cheat on my wife with the last 3 girls that hit on me. So now I deserve to."
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--The Shim
Shimus DarkRaven
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You cannot be serious. PvE is ridiculously easy. There is no conceavable way runners can justify running people past segments of the game otherwise 'they probably wouldn't have gotten past there without being run'.
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--The Shim
RotJ
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You cannot be serious. PvE is ridiculously easy. There is no conceavable way runners can justify running people past segments of the game otherwise 'they probably wouldn't have gotten past there without being run'.
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Shimus DarkRaven
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Originally Posted by RotJ
This is true. I think the proliferation of runners and people with excess money ruins the gameplay experience for anyone trying to play through the game the way it was designed. I started a new monk PvE character last month and I had to do about 4/5 of the non-mission quests and outpost runs with a party of henchmen because hardly anyone bothers to do them anymore now that they can just pay someone to get them through.
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--The Shim
Vilaptca
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Originally Posted by Caleb The Pontiff
I run people for tips all the time. In the end, I make more gold than if I set a fixed figure for a variety of reasons.
#1 Less people try to "scam" you by not paying if they know before hand any payment is voluntary and the figure is at their discretion. #2 Decent people know what other overpriced runners are charging, so they tip very well as a reward for you giving them the choice. #3 Some people with little or no gold are the most appreciative, and may not be able to give you 2500 gold but they give you what they can - often an item or upgrade you can sell. #4 Running for tips, you have a much larger customer base. Several times I've seen people spamming "RUNNING TO DROKS 4K AT RANKNOR" while my group is filling. Those same people are spamming "RUNNING TO DROKS 4K at RANKNOR 2 SPOTS LEFT" when I get back after just running a full group. #5 If people don't pay, it's not the end of the world. While you have to chase people down and PM and scream and report, I will be with the next group "for tips" halfway to the destination. |
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hmmm.. I ran a guildie from yaks to beacons before using a ranger with maxed WS and expertise and packing all stances. I have to say it was surprisingly easy. Go figure.
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