Poison Arrow
JR
Really, really bad monks. Maybe.
DarkAynjil
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Originally Posted by NatalieD
That's... not really true at all. Teams with Martyr may not have much to worry about from Poison Arrow, but any other condition removal is really not up to the task of stopping a good poisoner. Poison is so easy for a ranger to put on enemies that single-target condition removal is just too slow and inefficient.
Actually, when I monk in CA and some ranger/necro poisons the whole team, I don't waste time trying to remove it from everyone, I just remove it from the person who seems to be taking the most damage, same as any other situation that occurs when one is monking. You don't try to heal everyone up to full health all the time - why would conditions be treated differently? If I have to choose between throwing my restore/mend/draw at a warrior who's blind or a guy who just got poisoned again at 3/4 health, the blind war gets it. So, you make a good point, but follow it with unsound logic. Efficiency of removal is not the case here, as the condition is easy to apply, like bleeding. Bleeding is another condition any good monk will ignore until the teammate is in danger. Other conditions simply have so much effect that they take priority as far as removal is concerned. The fact is that Poison on it's own is not that great - similar to bleeding (another DoT) it's simply degen. Only when PA is combined with more degen is it truly effective. One could make the same argument you have made for Conjure Phantasm.
sun is in us
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Originally Posted by JR-
Really, really bad monks. Maybe.
And I have met more than a few.
JR
Basing a build on the hope that you will only bump into bad monks is... a bit of a flaw, don't you think?
NatalieD
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Originally Posted by DarkAynjil
So, you make a good point, but follow it with unsound logic.
What unsound logic? The "good point" about Poison Arrow being more efficient than poison removal was the only thing I said!
In my experience as a monk, a ranger who's really intent on poisoning my team can make it something of a problem. Of course I don't try to remove poison as soon as I see the green bar, but after a while the degen does weaken people enough to require some healing, and that increases the overall strain on my time and energy, making the team more vulnerable.
Is it a good enough way of adding pressure to be worth the elite slot? I'm no ranger expert, but probably not. I was just saying it's not true that Mend Ailment makes Poison Arrow useless. (Although it does if you're half-assed about your poisoning like many PA users are. Against many rangers it does work to just remove the poison; they won't even bother to reapply it. But I assumed we were talking about competent PA users.)
In my experience as a monk, a ranger who's really intent on poisoning my team can make it something of a problem. Of course I don't try to remove poison as soon as I see the green bar, but after a while the degen does weaken people enough to require some healing, and that increases the overall strain on my time and energy, making the team more vulnerable.
Is it a good enough way of adding pressure to be worth the elite slot? I'm no ranger expert, but probably not. I was just saying it's not true that Mend Ailment makes Poison Arrow useless. (Although it does if you're half-assed about your poisoning like many PA users are. Against many rangers it does work to just remove the poison; they won't even bother to reapply it. But I assumed we were talking about competent PA users.)
Morty
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Originally Posted by JR-
The elite is elite for a REASON, it is generally the key skill your character build is based around, and the most important one to get right.
Quote: it is generally the key skill Even you seem to agree with me that there are cases in which the elite isnt the "key skill." I think, in this case, the damage buffs are more important than the elite.
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It really is this simple: Both spread poison. Both take one skill slot. One is elite, one isn't. A bit of a no-brainer really. So now you are saying that spreading poison is the best way to do damage to a single target? I'm not following you. Please give me an example of a ranger build that uses Apply Poison to do more damage to a single target than RtW or kindle. (if the elite is more important than the prep, then you should have no problem) Quote:
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