I hope A.Net reads this . Please you need to remove the 10k faction cap it serves no point, what happens to us when we have unlocked everything we stop gaining faction and we cant save faction for chapter 2.
Also its very frustraiting when you reach the limit in battle, your team either has to lose so you can spend the faction thus ending the winning streak or you go on not gaining anymore faction. So please get rind of it.
Anyone else agree with me on this one.
The Faction Cap Needs To Be Removed
The Muffen Man
Mentalmdc
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however, increase to say.... 40k dont just remove it
however, increase to say.... 40k dont just remove it
The Muffen Man
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I just dont see the point of it. A.Net gives with one hand and takes away with the other.
mortalis doleo
if the faction cap was removed, then everyone would sve up faction, then get all skills the day chapter 2 is released.
that's unfair...
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that's unfair...
/not signed
Navaros
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if the faction cap was removed, then everyone would sve up faction, then get all skills the day chapter 2 is released.
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I already have nothing left to spend faction on since everything is unlocked. For guys like me faction is useless garbage and hence continuing doing Tombs or GVG is now a ripoff because of that.
Remove the faction cap.
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milan
100k faction limit, or even when I reach the limit let me see the faction numbers appear whenever I would gain it, when my team is attacking multiple targets it's handy to see that some are being dropped.
Undivine
Unlocking everything the day Chapter 2 comes out? Why even play Chapter 2 then? You'll have everything instantly. You'll be right where you started; having everything, and having nothing more to achieve. And that's just after owning Chapter 2 for 1 day.
You'll lose interest. Just as you're starting to lose interest now. Except you'll lose interest almost right away.
You'll lose interest. Just as you're starting to lose interest now. Except you'll lose interest almost right away.
Pagan
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You won't have such advantage in C2 lad
You won't have such advantage in C2 lad
The Muffen Man
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Originally Posted by Undivine
Unlocking everything the day Chapter 2 comes out? Why even play Chapter 2 then? You'll have everything instantly. You'll be right where you started; having everything, and having nothing more to achieve. And that's just after owning Chapter 2 for 1 day.
You'll lose interest. Just as you're starting to lose interest now. Except you'll lose interest almost right away. |
dont feel no pain
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Originally Posted by mortalis doleo
if the faction cap was removed, then everyone would sve up faction, then get all skills the day chapter 2 is released.
that's unfair... /not signed |
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Tuoba Hturt Eht
/signed for faction cap removal
linh
I agree with doleo
/not signed
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mortalis doleo
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What the heck?! Of course it's fair. They earned that faction and if they want to save it up and use it on the first day of chapter 2, then they should have every right to do it.
I already have nothing left to spend faction on since everything is unlocked. For guys like me faction is useless garbage and hence continuing doing Tombs or GVG is now a ripoff because of that. Remove the faction cap. /signed |
did you not play back then, because you couldn't unlock stuff out of it?
faction was introduced to help pvp people unlock stuff. once you unlocked everything, dont ask for more uses for faction.
the cap is there to prevent people from unlocking everything instantly.
once you unlocked everything on chapter 2, immidiately, you would just say be cheated again, snce faction will be of no use to you...
faction pointsare great the way they are, no need to change them.
Navaros
There is nothing wrong with unlocking everything instantly. Since someone had to put in work to earn the faction he saved up, there is no legitimate reason to keep him for spending the rewards of that work on Chapter 2.
Since GVG has no reward other than faction, doing it after you have everything unlocked is pointless. Hence it causes players to lose interest. Removing the faction cap would give GVG an actual point and retain interest for players who have everything unlocked.
And if the faction cap is removed like it should be, no I wouldn't complain again after everything is unlocked in Chapter 2, because I'd save up more faction for Chapter 3.
Since GVG has no reward other than faction, doing it after you have everything unlocked is pointless. Hence it causes players to lose interest. Removing the faction cap would give GVG an actual point and retain interest for players who have everything unlocked.
And if the faction cap is removed like it should be, no I wouldn't complain again after everything is unlocked in Chapter 2, because I'd save up more faction for Chapter 3.
fallot
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If someone gets enough faction to unlock everything for Chapter 2, they deserve it.
People who want to PvP with the Assassin will probably do this, it has no impact on the PvE part of the game, therefore your "why even play ?" point is moot.
If someone gets enough faction to unlock everything for Chapter 2, they deserve it.
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Unlocking everything the day Chapter 2 comes out? Why even play Chapter 2 then? You'll have everything instantly. You'll be right where you started; having everything, and having nothing more to achieve. And that's just after owning Chapter 2 for 1 day.
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Epinephrine
Disagree; I don't want faction from #1 to unlock for #2.
I do think 10k is way too low though, it's easy to get on a win streak and exceed 10k faction. Too frustrating to hit 10k and know that you're losing potential faction with each round after that. Bumping to 25k or 40k makes some sense.
I do think 10k is way too low though, it's easy to get on a win streak and exceed 10k faction. Too frustrating to hit 10k and know that you're losing potential faction with each round after that. Bumping to 25k or 40k makes some sense.
The undead Mesmer
Its a nono that you can unlock everything on day 1 of the release so
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mortalis doleo
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There is nothing wrong with unlocking everything instantly. Since someone had to put in work to earn the faction he saved up, there is no legitimate reason to keep him for spending the rewards of that work on Chapter 2.
Since GVG has no reward other than faction, doing it after you have everything unlocked is pointless. Hence it causes players to lose interest. Removing the faction cap would give GVG an actual point and retain interest for players who have everything unlocked. And if the faction cap is removed like it should be, no I wouldn't complain again after everything is unlocked in Chapter 2, because I'd save up more faction for Chapter 3. |
faction is gained faster through CA, or even a good tombs run...
Hiryu
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Unlocking everything the day Chapter 2 comes out? Why even play Chapter 2 then? You'll have everything instantly. You'll be right where you started; having everything, and having nothing more to achieve. And that's just after owning Chapter 2 for 1 day. You'll lose interest. Just as you're starting to lose interest now. Except you'll lose interest almost right away. |
Where you can exchange your PvP Faction points for crafting materials, dyes, Ectoplasms and such niceties? Granted, they'll probably have to raise the faction cap for this.
Maybe something like:
15,000 faction - 1 Glob of Ectoplasm
5,000 faction - 1 Obsidian Shard
250 faction - 10 Bolts of Cloth
And so on. It'll also help to connect PvE and PvP together.
Now before you guys "OMG! Then people will just Faction Farm!! WTF?!". Well, like I said, it'll help connect PvE and PvP together. PvE's already full of farmers. Now you can farm in either, in whatever style you prefer.
"OMG!! Then skilled PvP guilds will have a monopoly on Ectos and Shards!!"
Meh, hardcore PvE (farming) guilds have more wealth than others too. But other PvE players can get gold as well. Same idea.
Loviatar
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There is nothing wrong with unlocking everything instantly. Since someone had to put in work to earn the faction he saved up, there is no legitimate reason to keep him for spending the rewards of that work on Chapter 2.
Since GVG has no reward other than faction, doing it after you have everything unlocked is pointless. Hence it causes players to lose interest. Removing the faction cap would give GVG an actual point and retain interest for players who have everything unlocked. D |
FIRST OFFthey ruled out your precious one weekend beta UAS which some of you think existed forever and is due you forever
faction was a generous gift to the PVP community for a fast targeted way to unlock without having to PVE.
when you have unlocked everything it has served its purpose and faction is now meaningless for any other purpose.
they will not give you UAS/X in chapter 2 and they will not give you a faction vault backdoor to get around it.
also you will not get vanity PVE stuff either.
also the *reward* for your precious GVG is the fun you have playing.
otherwise if you dont actually like PVP and are just grinding that makes you a FARMER GRINDMONKEY (PVP ELITE CLASS)
Kai Nui
How about being able to buy Faction Storage Containers for your account. Price of these and what they do is listed below, and this is not on a character, it's for your whole account:
10k Faction to buy 15k Faction Storage
15k Faction to buy 20k Faction Storage
20k Faction to buy 25k Faction Storage
25k Faction to buy 30k Faction Storage and /Faction emote
30k Faction to buy 35k Faction Storage
35k Faction to buy 40k Faction Storage
40k Faction to buy 45k Faction Storage
45k Faction to buy 50k Faction Storage and /Faction emote
These emotes would represent you do Competition arenas a lot and are able to get up enough faction to get the larger storage bins. In addition to this, there would be the ability to buy green items/15k armors/black and silver dye/dye mixer for PVP characters only for more than 10k. Now you may think this is hard, but it's really not any harder than gaining Fame for HoH ranks. Plus, you don't have to have your faction capped higher than 10k.
10k Faction to buy 15k Faction Storage
15k Faction to buy 20k Faction Storage
20k Faction to buy 25k Faction Storage
25k Faction to buy 30k Faction Storage and /Faction emote
30k Faction to buy 35k Faction Storage
35k Faction to buy 40k Faction Storage
40k Faction to buy 45k Faction Storage
45k Faction to buy 50k Faction Storage and /Faction emote
These emotes would represent you do Competition arenas a lot and are able to get up enough faction to get the larger storage bins. In addition to this, there would be the ability to buy green items/15k armors/black and silver dye/dye mixer for PVP characters only for more than 10k. Now you may think this is hard, but it's really not any harder than gaining Fame for HoH ranks. Plus, you don't have to have your faction capped higher than 10k.
Navaros
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FIRST OFFthey ruled out your precious one weekend beta UAS which some of you think existed forever and is due you forever faction was a generous gift to the PVP community for a fast targeted way to unlock without having to PVE. when you have unlocked everything it has served its purpose and faction is now meaningless for any other purpose. they will not give you UAS/X in chapter 2 and they will not give you a faction vault backdoor to get around it. also you will not get vanity PVE stuff either |
Using faction to unlock all skills of Chapter 2 is in no way comparable to a UAS button because a UAS button is not earned. Whereas using your own faction - that you earned - to unlock all skills is perfectly moral and fine. To send all faction you get after 10k into a trash can that need not exist - as the game now does - is absurd.
All faction is earned as legitimate currency for PVP success therefore it should not have any cap at all.
By the way it seems that some of you are concerned about being terribly thrashed in PVP by people who have unlocked all skills in Chapter 2 with their faction. Well guess what - if those people are so dedicated to PVP that they have all that faction saved up, then they are gonna thrash those of you who are complaining anyhow, regardless of using Chapter 2 skills or not. Which makes your argument all the more silly.
Hakira
@ hiryu: handing out pve rewards like ectos for faction would destroy both pve's economy and pvp, it's already bad enough as it is with smurf guilds and faction farming runners in CA. besides, i'd say 90% of people that do real pvp (gvg, hoh) use pvp characters anyways, which have no use for pve rewards.
@ kai nui: i like the first part of your post -
that's a good idea. but again, buying pve rewards with faction just doesn't fly in my view.
and for those of you against raising/removing the cap, saying that "oh then you can just unlock everything in C2 on day 1 gg" is invalid and irrelevant. chances are that the priests of balthazar are located somwhere in the middle of the game...and what about people who already have vast amounts of gold saved up for C2? they too will already have a possibly unfair advantage, nevermind faction.
@ kai nui: i like the first part of your post -
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and for those of you against raising/removing the cap, saying that "oh then you can just unlock everything in C2 on day 1 gg" is invalid and irrelevant. chances are that the priests of balthazar are located somwhere in the middle of the game...and what about people who already have vast amounts of gold saved up for C2? they too will already have a possibly unfair advantage, nevermind faction.
Slade xTekno
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I agree. Instead, why don't they implement a conversion system?
Where you can exchange your PvP Faction points for crafting materials, dyes, Ectoplasms and such niceties? Granted, they'll probably have to raise the faction cap for this. Maybe something like: 15,000 faction - 1 Glob of Ectoplasm 5,000 faction - 1 Obsidian Shard 250 faction - 10 Bolts of Cloth And so on. It'll also help to connect PvE and PvP together. Now before you guys "OMG! Then people will just Faction Farm!! WTF?!". Well, like I said, it'll help connect PvE and PvP together. PvE's already full of farmers. Now you can farm in either, in whatever style you prefer. "OMG!! Then skilled PvP guilds will have a monopoly on Ectos and Shards!!" Meh, hardcore PvE (farming) guilds have more wealth than others too. But other PvE players can get gold as well. Same idea. |
Loviatar
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All faction is earned as legitimate currency for PVP success therefore it should not have any cap at all.
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you have now bought everything available to you in the game at this point.play for the fun of it or admit that you are not playing pvp because you enjoy it .
they will not give you a golden unlock of chapter 2 goodies (unlimited faction vault) for doing what you will do for the fun of it.
not fun?
reached your grinding goal?
than quit you beat it
YellowMarker161
Oh yah, we can't have all the PvP'ers getting all the skills when Chapter 2 comes out can we? Oh no, of course not. I mean, who cares if they deserve it and worked for it, it should all go down the drain.
Oh, but PvE'rs, they definately deserve to have as many skill points as they want!!! I mean, they grinded and grinded and grinded, and they deserve to be able to unlock all the skills when Chapter 2 comes out.
/sarcasm
To people saying that it will be an unfair advantage: do you realise there is no cap on skill points?
Oh, but PvE'rs, they definately deserve to have as many skill points as they want!!! I mean, they grinded and grinded and grinded, and they deserve to be able to unlock all the skills when Chapter 2 comes out.
/sarcasm
To people saying that it will be an unfair advantage: do you realise there is no cap on skill points?
fiery
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dont try to get all the skills and go and be uber crazy from the quests all the way at the end of the game. no fun at all.
dont try to get all the skills and go and be uber crazy from the quests all the way at the end of the game. no fun at all.
Guardian of the Light
I'd laugh so hard if for Chapter 2 you had to reset your faction to 0 
Navaros
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you have now bought everything available to you in the game at this point.play for the fun of it or admit that you are not playing pvp because you enjoy it . they will not give you a golden unlock of chapter 2 goodies (unlimited faction vault) for doing what you will do for the fun of it. not fun? reached your grinding goal? than quit you beat it |
Playing a game when there is no rewards for it is not enjoyable. This is why there are quest rewards and things like that all throughout the game. Because if there were not, then players would get bored at doing things for no reward.
Some suggest there should be no reward for playing PVP too much? What the heck?! Good players who have put in countless hours into PVP should stop being rewarded because they've already had too much success? Does that make any rational sense at all?
No my friend, that logic is all out of whack.
Those who put in the blood, sweat and tears to PVP and earn hundreds of thousands of faction points should be the most rewarded in all of Guild Wars. It's bad enough that sigils are already practically worthless as are most other Halls drops. To make faction worthless too and provide no other reward in addition to it is to give a metaphorical slap in the face to the most faithful and dedicated players.
And again, there is no request for a "golden" unlock. We are not asking for a magical UAS button. We are asking only to be able to make use of our hard-won faction that we earned.
Red Sonya
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if the faction cap was removed, then everyone would sve up faction, then get all skills the day chapter 2 is released.
that's unfair... /not signed |
That's exactly what would happen the minute chapter 2 was released. Nosireee bob tater, everyone should have about the same advantage as the next on day 1 of chapter 2. I've been capped at 10k faction for a long time and I'm not "whinning" about it.[I'd laugh so hard if for Chapter 2 you had to reset your faction to 0 ]
I'd even agree with that also, like to see everyone start out on an even keel when chapter 2 comes out, might even be neat to have a 2nd currency so you can't buy anything in chapter 2 without this currency. heh heh heh.
Chev of Hardass
I have been capped out for months. It is a real load of crap that faction has absolutely no use after unlock, and you cannot save it.
I call the bullshit flagg on this one. Give us a higher limit, or let us spend faction. I like the 15K faction per Ecto myself. Perhaps the limit should be removed, and faction should be tradeable for PvE items, like Ecto. Then there is another choice for the spender. Either unlock on opening day, or finnaly get that fissure armor.
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I call the bullshit flagg on this one. Give us a higher limit, or let us spend faction. I like the 15K faction per Ecto myself. Perhaps the limit should be removed, and faction should be tradeable for PvE items, like Ecto. Then there is another choice for the spender. Either unlock on opening day, or finnaly get that fissure armor.
/signed
glenn_rolfe
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Disagree; I don't want faction from #1 to unlock for #2.
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A higher limit, about 15k-20k would be reasonable.
But in now way should faction from chapter 1 be allowed to be used in chapter 2, that would create a massive rift between veteran players and new players which isn't healthy for the game.
Good players will excel as time goes on, but everyone should start on an equal footing.
Chev of Hardass
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that would create a massive rift between veteran players and new players which isn't healthy for the game.
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New players cannot farm unlocks like the veterans could. New players cannot farm fame with Spirit Spamming.
I think the PvE only crowd feels lonely and they wany PvPers to be forced to play with them. Those of you that are doing this should realize that PvPers are the people that leave after capping the skill they wanted at Hell's Precipace. PvPers are the people that beat Markis while the rest of the group goes and tried to do the bonus.
Why would you intentionally try and bring this on yourself?
Loviatar
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You know what, you're right in one regard.
Playing a game when there is no rewards for it is not enjoyable. This is why there are quest rewards and things like that all throughout the game. Because if there were not, then players would get bored at doing things for no reward. Some suggest there should be no reward for playing PVP too much? What the heck?! Good players who have put in countless hours into PVP should stop being rewarded because they've already had too much success? Does that make any rational sense at all? No my friend, that logic is all out of whack. Those who put in the blood, sweat and tears to PVP and earn hundreds of thousands of faction points should be the most rewarded in all of Guild Wars. It's bad enough that sigils are already practically worthless as are most other Halls drops. To make faction worthless too and provide no other reward in addition to it is to give a metaphorical slap in the face to the most faithful and dedicated players. And again, there is no request for a "golden" unlock. We are not asking for a magical UAS button. We are asking only to be able to make use of our hard-won faction that we earned. |
quoted as a pitiful whine.YOU GOT YOUR VALUE OUT OF FACTION BY UNLOCKING EVERYTHING IN A SMALL FRACTION OF THE TIME A PVE PLAYER WOULD TAKE
I HAVE READ ON THIS AND OTHER SITES THAT THE REAL FUN IS HARD FOUGHT GVG ACTION WHICH IS WHY THEY WONT DO PVE.
YOU ARE SAYING PVP IS WORK?
F IT IS WORK WITHOUT FACTION QUIT ALREADY
Lews
Don't remove the cap, but do make it so our 'total faction' keeps going up.
E Power
<<< doesn't care because im going to be buying every skill a few days after c2 comes out
Aenimus
let them have their faction cap lifted, then announce that priests of balthazaar dont unlock the new class skills, and you must earn faction for another deity/city/whatever, and go to a priest of that. then i would laugh and laugh and laugh
BLUESHIFT
How about, faction can unlock FoW and 15k armor for a pvp char?
Loviatar
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How about, faction can unlock FoW and 15k armor for a pvp char?
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only if they earn the faction in PVE activities
Kate Bloodspirit
The faction cap is healthy for the metagame, because it slows down the introduction of new skills into the metagame in PvP.
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